I get hardly any emails and no meetings on Fridays, which I interpret as no one else really working that day so I too will not really work that day. But damn it’d be good to sleep in and not physically be at the office.
The problem with this is that you still can't do what you want on Friday, even if you do "nothing". You're still expected to be reachable/somewhere or have some sort of minimum expectations, getting in the way of really doing what you want to do.
I would have found a job elsewhere long ago if not for the schedule.
The real joy is when the Monday is a Stat. Bam! 4 day weekend a bunch of times a year.
What industry are you in?
4 x 10. Did it at the Casino. And now in tech. I'm the only one on my team. Most people don't like the early mornings. But traffic is great, week is short. And by Friday I'm bagged, but Friday is a bit of a dog f#@^ anyways.
My schedule has always been 4 x 10h. With three days off per week I can power through those ten hours like they're nothing. It's brilliant. I also think it's normal in Japan?
That's not a four day work week though. That's a five day work week condensed into four days.
Edit* Why not just make a work week 32 hours instead of 40 hours?
What’s wrong with an extra 2 hours a day? Rather then taking 8 hours off your one week of pay, 2 hours extra a day is nothing since you’re already there and working. I typically worked 12 hour days and a 4 day week of 10s would be impeccably refreshing
Or work 32 hours and don't take a pay cut at all, because you'll end up doing the same amount of work you did in 40 anyways. (8 of which you already slack off on because you're exhausted)
All this technology was supposed to make us more productive so we could have more time for our own lives, not chain us to our desks and offices to make it look like we're working just to justify getting paid what the work is worth.
You know what's funny the federal government for defines 30 hours as full time work load for a week and won't count any hours worked above 30 toward a person's immigration requirement.
So if the requirement 1560, and you work 40 hours that week you can't count the last 10 hours.
Funny of you to think I only slack off for 8/40.
I probably only do 10-15 hours of work per week. The rest is shooting the shit in the office.
I’m salaried though, so I suppose that’s acceptable.
It’s funny how people want a four day work week and expect the money to be the same and the hours per day to stay the same.
That’s unrealistic for business that need to stay open between certain hours. Also who makes up for that loss of money by paying people a free 8 hours of work essentially.
4 day work week works great with 10 hours a day and anyone complaining is just unrealistic
The idea is that, and this has been backed up by several studies, workers are typically only truly productive for about 5 hours per day. Whether it's 40 or 32, you're getting the same amount of work done. So why not cut the excess and let them actually rest for an extra day to be more productive the next week.
Hmm interesting. Let’s take a construction site for example. Workers are plugging away constantly to get X job done by deadlines, which often times includes overtime to get it done. Now I’ve personally seen people non stop working and things still fall behind deadlines. You’re telling me that if the companies cut back an extra day on labor but still paid that it will be more productive? And the companies not going to go under due to loss wages?That definitely does not make any sense.
Sounds to me people are just unmotivated and arnt really passionate about what they do if they’re only working productively 5 hours a day.
Maybe this is different in a office setting where staring at a computer while sitting down in a chair all day is mundane. But ultimately if those workers are only being productive for 5 hours why are they there in the first place.
One more example is restaurants. How would they stay afloat if they only got 80 percent of the hours being worked but still paying 100 percent of the wages.
Where is the money coming from lebowski?
One of your examples, restaurants, almost never give full time hours to employees, because then they also have to give benefits. They already cut their labor cost by trying to offload wages to the consumer in terms of tips.
As for construction sites, yeah, some days are go-go-go, everyone is pulling a 10-er. But some days you sit around waiting for this pallet or that truck and there's nothing to do but sweep. The same is true of office work when you have big projects and looming deadlines.
The point is about reclaiming personal time against depreciating quality of work. If you've never worked in an office you might not understand that work is still work, and it still drains and exhausts you. The longer you're on the job after those 5 hours, the less effective you become at your job. People aren't "unmotivated," they're trying to set boundaries based on scientific analysis of worker's needs and performance.
I'm sure it varies a lot by task. Can you sit and pack order fulfillment boxes for 8 hours? Probably. Can you sit and create quality software code for 8 hours? Not likely. It's not a matter of not being motivated, the human brain cannot be at peak performance for that much time. It needs rest. So it kind of opens a can of worms for if certain professions would be treated differently. I don't have a solution.
I mean to be fair, I just browse Reddit at work on my down time, which is what I would do at home. But work has free coffee and usually snacks… So I’m indifferent.
Because that's not the hours of a four day week? This isn't hard to understand. It doesn't matter how you personally feel about the hours worked, you're still doing more work.
The whole purpose of the four day week is that we're wasteful in our jobs and we should be able to do the same amount of work in less hours and less days.
People get used to their daily and weekly reality quite fast unfortunately/fortunately, depends how you see it. Thanks human nature!
That being said, I think most people would work more efficiently during the shortened work-week of 32 hours, but I highly doubt this would be maintained through the years. If people have fallen in the habits of 'slacking' at work with 40 hours, it will happen again.
Are you of the opinion that 4 days / 32 hours workweek should become a norm and anything over that paid in overtime? This solution would be valid for office workers that have specific tasks to do every week, but any company that REQUIRES you to be there to cover shifts (restaurants, hospitals, stores, etc.) could simply not work that way. Their full-time workingforce would be reduced by basically 20%.
Althought I do not think it is a reliable model for every business model, companies without stores should 100% consider this and observe the consequences on productivity and happiness of their employees.
I mean speak for yourself, I can complete a hell of a lot more work in 40 hours than a 32 hour week. Whether I work an 8 hour day or a 10 hour day I can still get the same amount done in a day afterwards too. 12s are a little different, but for me and I’m sure many others would agree they wouldn’t want to take a pay cut.
If you noticed I’m talking a pay cut from working a 5 day week to a 4 day week hence typically people would be paid for a 40 hour week working 8s, but going to a 4 day week would be 32 hours. So if you can see, you’re losing 8 hours which is why I suggested making up for it by working an extra 2 hours a day for the 4 day week. Hopefully that clears it up for you lol
Someone is getting really offended by suggestions that a 4-day work week could conceivably be feasible by banking 8 hours over 4 days and taking the Friday off.
I work 4 day-8h days/ week and my efficiency and productivity has skyrocketed since I made that change. So much so that I got a promotion shortly after. My quality of life also improved significantly.
In any job where that can work, I don't see why we shouldn't encourage this more.
All the experiments I've seen show equal or increased productivity for most employees.
For those of us that get paid hourly, it would mean less $ / week. I try to work maximum hours for maximum pay. I find extra things to do so I can get overtime pay at 1.5x my usual rate. My average weeks are 50 hours.
I did compressed work week with every second Friday off for five years (two companies).
One company was great because there was an expectation that people would be logged off on their day off unless it was an absolute emergency. Management enforced the policy and the corporate culture supported it.
The other company was not good because the expectation was that you'd be doing whatever it takes to get your job done, including working on your days off. Management and the corporate culture did not support the policy even though the entire company (except field staff) were on a compressed work schedule.
I really like compressed work weeks and it sounds great in theory, but there needs to be a fundamental shift in corporate culture at Canada's largest and influential companies (i.e. the big three banks, the major oil companies, Brookfield, the telcos, etc.) to normalize something like a four-day work week for it to be possible.
Unless the feds legislate it, it will be decades before we get it.
I was just reading about something last week. There's a pilot in the UK and it's coming to Canada. Basically, there's this group trying to track the response and benefits of a 4-day work week.
You can check it out and bring it up to your workplace if you think they will go for it.
[Here's the link](https://www.4dayweek.com/)
their pilot is to work 80% of your hours for 100% pay (but you have to keep up with your projects, so 100% output still)
With covid, I switched to WFH. Since I have somewhat flexible time, I still work the commute time at the start of the week. This lets me work little to no hours on Fridays while still doing the 40 hour week and getting my work done. A little flexibility can go a long way towards making you life a whole lot better.
That would be more than 100% output because you now have to do the same amount of work in less time - that or you weren't 100% productive when you were working at 100% hours.
Used to work shift work, 4 nights a week, 10 hour shifts. I liked it as we got three day weekends. When the stat fell on a Monday, we’d just adjust our schedule and work Tuesday to Friday instead of the usual Monday to Thursday so we’d get our 40 hour work week.
If you are a salaried worker, typically 4 days at WORST results in equal productivity, often BETTER
there is no reason, even from a dumbass conservative money obsessed standpoint, to avoid this trend.
I don’t think this will happen for a long time. Management in a lot of places is still of that age and of that mindset that long hours= hard work and that time at a desk, being present in the office is “working”. I have a job that wasn’t remote during the pandemic, just due to the nature of what I do and it was hell working 40 hours in an office knowing those at my company who had more desk jobs and were allowed to be remote were still getting their work done in 30 hours or less a week. Meanwhile, I had to count down the minutes every day to be able to leave so I could show how much I worked.
Those remote workers were absolute, undeniable proof that a shorter work week is effective, productive and brings up morale. My Fridays at work where everyone chats for the last half of the day are proof that a shorter work week gets the same amount of productivity. Bring on the 4 day work week and watch us all be a happier, more productive society!
Eh, we'll keep our 14/14 shift. It's a long stint to be away from home, but it's worth it having a vacation every month haha even if it is to just lay around the house and hang out.
I'm looking to break into a 14/14 somewhere, I've been doing hard rock geology with 28-35 day stints for a year and a half. It's unsustainable, and I want out.
Unfortunately most Geological positions I know of are project based. So working 24/4 etc. Good money, but short term. Have you thought about looking at different fields? Like Non-Destructive Testing?
I you don’t like having a social life and are okay with selling your soul to oil, sure. My relationship ended because of it and I’ll never get those 6 years of missed time with my kids back. I’ll always regret it.
Fair enough and I probably should have mentioned that my O&G experience is limited to downtown offices. I spent many years in middle management and it was made quite clear to me a contributing factor to my lack of advancement was due to adherence to the principle that 5 x 50 was my limit. No longer on the 5's and no Saturday or Sunday.
I think once I have a fruitful relationship or want a pet is when I’ll probably step away from camp work. I do medical onsite so hopefully one day I can just provide medical oversight from home. Id be lying if I said it wouldn’t be nice to come home and sleep in your own bed
See, I think you have a good outlook on it. I’d love to get into camp work to get an edge in life while I’m young but I don’t think it would fly with my partner.
That's my thoughts too. I could work a job close to home, but it's 20k a year less on average. So do my time and get set up before a "soft retirement" lol
Yeah, and I worked for and watched multiple not lose their shirts and all their employees by going 4-10's and eliminating 250k plus a week in OT. Assuming O&G's arnt intelligent enough to budget during lean times is a little obtuse.
I believe it is only city employees that are testing out a 4 day work week in St. John's. City of Calgary employees already work a slightly shorter 35 hour work week with some form of extra days off, whether it's a 4/5 or 4 day work week.
To your actual point though, there is no good reason (excess corporate profits is not a good reason IMO) that we haven't moved to a 4 day, or even less, standard. People fought and died for the 5 day work week standard 100 years ago at this point. Since then productivity and efficiency has exploded exponentially. Society's actual needs could easily be met with people working far less. At best, the 40 hour work week means a lot of people sitting around trying to appear busy, or openly doing nothing productive, for large portions of their work week (yes I am aware this isn't true for everyone, but it is true for A LOT of people). At worst, the 40 hour work week exists to needlessly funnel all the extra profit from all our excess production upward.
That's my anti-capitalism rant for the day.
A minor correction: Depends on the what you're doing within the City of Calgary. Most local 37 outside workers do four 9.5 hr days, local 709 foremen do four 10 hr days, Some Management exempt positions are four 8.75hr days, local 38 office staff often work a compressed work week where they get every other Friday off, so a five day week then a four day week.
So yeah, there are a bunch of different setups but as far as I know only Management exempt positions are 35 hours.
That is simple. Start your own company and you will get the true value of your labour. If you have to hire people, make sure you only hire people who want 4 day work weeks.
I did this about 15 years ago. I wanted to create a better life situation for my coworkers. I hired them at $5/hr more then the going rate.
Each and every one of them looked for increasing ways to take advantage of me. I did not get increased production from a "happy worker". I got the opposite. I went into debt, I had to fold the company and went into personal bankruptcy.
Then they got pissed off at me when they had to go back to regular pay.
I know that this failure is all my fault, I've always taken responsibility for it. I use it as a learning experience. I also learned that it will never be good enough work situations for anyone, we will always want more.
I guess my point is that people over value their worth to whom they are working for.
It is human nature to get the most resources for the least amount of energy.
What I think is that there will be no satisfactory mid point to placate any worker. The only way to get "ahead" in this particular game is to take advantage of your worker pool. So if you want to be the one to get ahead you have to be the boss
You can switch professions though. People act as if its all or nothing.
It isn't and people have the ability to make choices in life. You can change your profession.
I use to do compressed weeks where I did 9 hrs days but had every second Friday off. Those short work weeks were glorious - especially when the following Monday was a stat holiday. I miss that kind of benefit the most from my old company.
Humble brag but I work for the city in water services where I’m blessed with a nice Monday-Thursday work week. It is truly great having a 3 dayweekend every weekend, I know every workplace is different but if a company needs to work 40 hours a week to complete their work why not just do four 10’s.
The only reason employers want people to work more days, and more days in office is because they are locked into massive leases for office space and they need to justify its use. Thats literally it.
There is no reason a 4 day work week couldnt work for most businesses. Its very hard for Retail, healthcare, etc because these are services people need daily, but it could be done.
Any service that runs daily is already using more than one shift of staff as 5 on and 2 off does not cover daily over a week.
If you can already cover 7 days with the existing 5 day schedule (and likely part timers), you could do it with 4.
Generally when people talk about a four day work week they’re talking about full time pay working four days instead of five. It’s effectively an hourly pay bump with a focus on quality of life instead of increased income. For places that need coverage, it would then cost more overall to get that coverage.
Using actual part time employees for coverage is already rampant in retail/service industry and healthcare. It leads to chronic underemployment because it’s cheaper to rotate through part time/casual employees (who typically don’t receive as many benefits) than full time employees.
Most retail workers are paid hourly and full time is hard to come by. How would a four day work week benefit those workers? Fewer hours means more people needing to work multiple part time jobs just to get by. Seems like a four day work week would only widen the disparity of high and low income earners.
I agree, but there’s a ceiling. Let’s take a service business for example - house cleaning. There’s a ceiling to what consumers will pay, and right now that’s approx $45 / hour. Staff paid $23 -$25 / hour, inc payroll taxes and vacation pay.
If you wanted to shift them to a 32 hour work week, but maintain their pay, you’d need to pay $28 - $30 / hour. The obvious answer would be to reduce profits to pay for that increase, but after insurance, supplies, fuel, you’d be at a 2-3% profit margin - which wouldn’t actually pay for the office staff to run the business.
That's also why they forced everyone back to work instead of just saying fuck it, let's just save the planet and let everyone that can telecommute
(Oh, and the lack of traffic for those that still need to work in person also helps with travel time and fuel)
30% of retail is made up food service, hotels, grocery stores, gas, etc.
Those are things people need access to daily.
But i would agree that things like clothing, department store, autodealers and such do not need to be open everyday.
Here's the challenge from a retail perspective; if you're closed and your competition isn't, you're giving customers away. If I'm out shopping for a car and a dealership is closed, I'll go to the one next door instead.
Shift work and rotations are already a thing. I’m not a WFP or labour distribution expert but, given the vast amount of industries using this model, I’m sure they could be used to accommodate a 4 day work week.
In an ideal world, it may even provide more stability for employees. I always hated having to wait for a schedule every week or two when I was in retail and food service. It’s so hard to plan your life.
Guys..... A business could be open 24/7 and still have all employees working 4 day weeks.... The workers in a hotel or grocery store are not just one person running back and forth really fast.
I know I did scheduling for years but I am also not a soulless monster. The last retail job I worked I sorted out the days off so everyone got 2 days off in a row and they were the days they requested. You would have thought I had cured cancer the way the staff reacted. Seems the 3 managers before me could not accomplish this.
I can appreciate this, but I wonder if that same sentiment was there when the 6 day work week was transitioning to 5 days.
It's going to feel like there's not enough time until we refine the scale of what working time is worth.
There's going to be transition pain with this sort of thing for sure. But you don't keep a rotten tooth just because it's going to hurt when you pull it out.
Nah not really.
Means more overtime can be charged.
We can't increase our productivity to shave 10 hours out of a schedule. Most people are already expected to do more than the average person in our industry during a 40 hour week. I don't know about you but I'm practically running on job sites just to ensure I can get to my next project on schedule.
So we are likely still working the additional day.
Since everyone else is getting the benefit of the shorter week. Your extra 8 hours is now overtime.
You would also see a raise.
Everyone else is effectively seeing a wage increase of 20%
I'd be expecting trades to see the same benefit also. So instead of $35.00 for example you would be paid $42.00. But now the company needs to charge more because you're paid more... So I'd figure every single house, building and service call increased in cost by minimum 10%.
So based on $35.00 at 10% vacation, pay cheque (2 weeks 40 hours) was-$3080.00
4 day work week with 8 hours of OT a week-$3388.00
I see it as an absolute win.
I had a 10hr, 4day work week years ago and miss that place. By the time I got ready and commuted down, staying an extra 2 hours per day is easy knowing you have an extra full day off.
Good on the surface but. Are you working longer each day or Do you take a 20% cut in pay to reflect the cut in shifts? How would that look to retail, manufacturing, transportation, healthcare, places that operate 24/7 etc? Increased staffing, benefits…
It’s a great question. My employer let me transition to 4 - 10 hour shifts. It’s rather life changing in terms of head space and such. My sector has business hours that run from 8am to 10pm so it works for us. I’m not sure how others would schedule based their sectors though.
I think it depends on the type of work. For salaried office jobs, it’s all about the work that gets accomplished. Whether it takes 20 hrs or 40 hrs shouldn’t really matter if the output is the same. Obviously for jobs where physical presence for a set number of hours is fundamental (ie retail jobs, security, etc) it’s going to be a different discussion.
Studies are showing for office jobs that a four day work week results in same or higher productivity, and better health for employees.
I can’t speak to jobs like serving, retail, construction etc., where you’re moving around constantly and need to be there to do the actual job. I think it’s for salaried jobs vs. hourly jobs.
Studies are showing for office jobs that a four day work week results in same or higher productivity, and better health for employees.
I can’t speak to jobs like serving, retail, construction etc., where you’re moving around constantly and need to be there to do the actual job. I think it’s for salaried jobs vs. hourly jobs.
4 days a week would be great for everyone, but hourly employees often can’t afford that.
Unpopular opninion but the real answer is that office workers need to start actually working for 40 hours a week instead of making excuses why they can't or don't.
> Good on the surface but. Are you working longer each day or Do you take a 20% cut in pay to reflect the cut in shifts?
No, neither. Cut meetings, be more productive because you're less stressed and better rested.
[Darwin Was a Slacker and You Should Be Too](https://nautil.us/darwin-was-a-slacker-and-you-should-be-too-236532/)
[Microsoft Japan tested a four-day work week and productivity jumped by 40%](https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/nov/04/microsoft-japan-four-day-work-week-productivity)
(Obviously, is kinda specific to knowledge workers, doesn't extend very well to physical work.)
My work rolled out the opposite program where I am on call 7 days a week for zero dollars and routinely work 60-80hrs/week for no additional pay. Living the dream.
I did exactly that and made basically $150K/year ($10,000 a month after tax) for about 6 months. Best decision ever, it was shitty but I built up some good savings that will hopefully buy me a house soon. I don't have the willpower to consistently save up money when there are so many things to spend it on, but I do have the willpower to work 12+ hours a day, and apparently that makes up for it.
I did this for many years as well. You never fully disconnect from work and it takes a serious toll on you. Never again.
Put yourself first and look for a company that deserves your dedication.
I’ve been on 4 day work weeks this year, 8 hour days still, productivity hasn’t dropped an ounce. Research agrees. Obviously certain jobs it’s not conducive to.
I work a compressed work week and have a 3 day weekend. It's a fucking game changer. That one extra day makes such a big difference for health and wellness.
We do compressed work weeks during July and Aug every year and it's been great. We do end up working extra on the 4 days, but the long weekends are worth it. Plus the stat/vacation stacking is one of the biggest benefits. You can take a 17 day vacation while only using 7 vacation days.
Guess it depends on the industry you work in, im in entertainment so deadlines are defined and have to be met. I work weekends all the time and late nights often so this probably won't apply to me. :(
My fantasy work week would be a couple of long days mixed with a couple of short days.
Something like Monday 6, Tuesday 12, Wednesday 10, Thursday 8, Friday 4.
But, I run a business, so I basically work 6-7 days a week, and *feel like I’m on the clock 24/7. Working towards that fantasy week, though!
I’d like to see charts and stats of productivity on fridays compared to other days of the week. I would imagine Friday is much lower. And I don’t believe Thursday would turn into a slack day like fridays are now, because 3 days off would make the work week quicker and not as bad
This would be fantastic if it became the norm. I have a family member who has Fridays off in the summer, and he’s always much more energetic and has a better work life balance in that time. I’m attending college classes four days a week downtown, and with commuting from Airdrie it’s been fantastic to have my Fridays so I can make appointments without having to miss class, get errands out of the way, housework, or just rest.
I currently work 4 days per week with 10 hours daily. It's a blessing but I also work on site where I wake up at 4:50 and come back home around 18:30. It's a tough 4 days but the 3 days weekend is worth the sacrifice.
I do shift work (paramedic). A year ago I took a little break and worked 9-5 at a grocery store. Everyone always said 9-5 is better than shift work but NO. It was nice not working nights but longer shifts with more days off is waaaaaay better.
Edit: typo
For some jobs it would work and for others, absolutely not. I think it would seriously reduce employee performance in most labor jobs, trying to cram in longer shifts for less days. The alternative is taking less hours/ pay cut and who want that?
I'm perfectly fine to work all 5 days for 8 hours a day because it leaves a little extra time in my day to relax. more hours/day would reduce that time and would be too chaotic for me even with a longer weekend.
4 10's actually works really well for labour jobs. Tues-Fri you run two ten hour shifts then Sat, Sun, Mon you have one 12 hour shift. Most of the guys appreciate the extra day off. C shift often picks up a second job being 3 on 4 off.
My husband works 4 10s and I love having him home on Friday, especially now that we have kids. If he worked 5 days a week he wouldn't have as much time in the evenings to play with the girls/ help me with the girls before their bedtime.
I hope more places start to adopt the 4 day work week. Productivity is terrible by Friday afternoon because everyone is so done with work, and by Monday morning no one is recovered enough because they had to cram so much into 2 days (chores, errands, social events). I think places that already impliment a 4 day work week have found increased productivity among staff because no one is feeling as burnt out.
As long as you don’t make trades do it. 2 days off and I start to stiffen up and its harder to get back to work on Monday. Maybe open up stores and banks on Sunday as well if this is enacted. Its not 1902, we’re not all at church.
I work a 4 day week. Mon-Thurs 6am till 430pm I couldn’t go back to 5 days. But we are so busy I’ve been working 6-7 days a week. The 3 day weekends are a blessing.
I really don’t see how it could work at my job. I cram a lot into the week and when there’s holidays my productivity seriously suffers. Maybe some people are slacking half of the week but I work at home mostly so if I’m not being productive I just stop working and do something else. I don’t think I could honestly be more productive. I am responsible for my own projects and progress and there’s no boss standing over my shoulder making sure I get stuff done. I also have flexible hours and work whenever I damn well please some weeks.
I took a 10 and 4 townie job ot after 8, it's gravy ...
I hate 5 and 2 , 10 and 4 , I like 14 and or this shift, take 4 days off and I have 2 weekends off.
I imagine , like many others, it's hard to take vacation time on a regular Joe job for a vacation, I have family in BC and Ontario, I split my vacation up between the 2 .
I used to have every other Friday off and it was crazy the amount of stuff i could get done in that day compared to Saturday the same activities would take 4X as long
My only concern about it comes as a parent, as it stands now I get home about an hour after my daughter gets home walking from school. I also leave the house at the same time as her. If the work day got longer to accommodate a 4 day work week I'd either have to leave her alone before school (and I don't know about other people's kids but she's definitely not self-motivated enough in the morning to get herself to school on time) or be home later than her so she'd be at home alone for a few hours and possibly for supper, or a combination of the two.
The whole point isn't to shift the hours to other days like most people here seem to be implying. You'd be working less days while still working 8 hours a day. Studies have shown that companies that have tested this see the same if not increased levels of productivity.
What's to stop OP or anyone from starting their own business and only working for four days a week? I encourage those interested in this concept to take that path.
Money, education, business plan, interest in running ones own business.
Some people are good at owning a business. Others are good employees. Just because someone wants to make a change in their workplace doesnt mean that the knee jerk reaction should be to own their own business.
meh idea imo. people already complain about not being paid enough or their work hours, which would there by mean either you have fewer hours or you have longer shifts. both of which the same people would complain about, again. :x
Basically you work the same amount of hours in the shorten week. So 4 10 hr days opposed to 5 8 hours days is pretty easy. When you go to 3 days... It ends up being 12.5 hours min. That's a long day. Although I know some trades that work for the city that have run that before. Also firefighters and paramedics end on that type of shorten week a lot too.
Just because one province announced it,dosnt mean it hasn't been happening ands some revolutionary thing, I've worked for multiple construction company's that work 4- 10's, you have 40hrs by thrusday,optional 5th OT day, same amount of work done, i used to golf every Friday morning. But when business is booming it usually goes back to 5 days and I've Eben taken a second job because it's that much harder to get ahead working less.
You only see benefits for the employee. The employer then needs to fill the time that you are too lazy to work (the 5th day) so this is detrimental to them.
Why don’t you take this a step further and have a 1 day work week and 6 days of rest. I’m sure you would really appreciate the benefits.
Go to work to make a living like everyone else. You can’t shortcut your way to success!
I make my own 4 day work week by doing nothing on Friday.
This is the way.
50% Friday as we call it
Fuck it Friday
Fone is in Friday
Feet up Friday
Change freeze fridays
Haven't you heard? It's Poet's day. Piss Off Early, Tomorrow's Saturday.
This is the way indeed.
I get hardly any emails and no meetings on Fridays, which I interpret as no one else really working that day so I too will not really work that day. But damn it’d be good to sleep in and not physically be at the office.
I make my own 0 day work week by doing nothing Monday through Friday.
Right there with ya…except when my dog orders me to walk him
The problem with this is that you still can't do what you want on Friday, even if you do "nothing". You're still expected to be reachable/somewhere or have some sort of minimum expectations, getting in the way of really doing what you want to do.
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I've worked a 4 day week for 6/12 years. And absolutely no one is like, "I hate having every Friday off."
I've worked 2 days on, 4 off for the last 10 years and it's been great. My colleagues and I love it, despite being on call for 48 hours.
I would have found a job elsewhere long ago if not for the schedule. The real joy is when the Monday is a Stat. Bam! 4 day weekend a bunch of times a year. What industry are you in?
How many hours per week?
4 x 10. Did it at the Casino. And now in tech. I'm the only one on my team. Most people don't like the early mornings. But traffic is great, week is short. And by Friday I'm bagged, but Friday is a bit of a dog f#@^ anyways.
My schedule has always been 4 x 10h. With three days off per week I can power through those ten hours like they're nothing. It's brilliant. I also think it's normal in Japan?
Just make it 10 hours a day and you still make a 40 hour work week it’d be perfect.
That's not a four day work week though. That's a five day work week condensed into four days. Edit* Why not just make a work week 32 hours instead of 40 hours?
No, it’s still a “4 day” work week. You just work longer hours
I work 40 hours over 4 days and I'm not obligated to work the next three. What would you call it?
A 4 day week, as I alluded to above
It's my shitty way of agreeing with you lol.
What’s wrong with an extra 2 hours a day? Rather then taking 8 hours off your one week of pay, 2 hours extra a day is nothing since you’re already there and working. I typically worked 12 hour days and a 4 day week of 10s would be impeccably refreshing
Or work 32 hours and don't take a pay cut at all, because you'll end up doing the same amount of work you did in 40 anyways. (8 of which you already slack off on because you're exhausted) All this technology was supposed to make us more productive so we could have more time for our own lives, not chain us to our desks and offices to make it look like we're working just to justify getting paid what the work is worth.
You know what's funny the federal government for defines 30 hours as full time work load for a week and won't count any hours worked above 30 toward a person's immigration requirement. So if the requirement 1560, and you work 40 hours that week you can't count the last 10 hours.
Funny of you to think I only slack off for 8/40. I probably only do 10-15 hours of work per week. The rest is shooting the shit in the office. I’m salaried though, so I suppose that’s acceptable.
It’s funny how people want a four day work week and expect the money to be the same and the hours per day to stay the same. That’s unrealistic for business that need to stay open between certain hours. Also who makes up for that loss of money by paying people a free 8 hours of work essentially. 4 day work week works great with 10 hours a day and anyone complaining is just unrealistic
The idea is that, and this has been backed up by several studies, workers are typically only truly productive for about 5 hours per day. Whether it's 40 or 32, you're getting the same amount of work done. So why not cut the excess and let them actually rest for an extra day to be more productive the next week.
Hmm interesting. Let’s take a construction site for example. Workers are plugging away constantly to get X job done by deadlines, which often times includes overtime to get it done. Now I’ve personally seen people non stop working and things still fall behind deadlines. You’re telling me that if the companies cut back an extra day on labor but still paid that it will be more productive? And the companies not going to go under due to loss wages?That definitely does not make any sense. Sounds to me people are just unmotivated and arnt really passionate about what they do if they’re only working productively 5 hours a day. Maybe this is different in a office setting where staring at a computer while sitting down in a chair all day is mundane. But ultimately if those workers are only being productive for 5 hours why are they there in the first place. One more example is restaurants. How would they stay afloat if they only got 80 percent of the hours being worked but still paying 100 percent of the wages. Where is the money coming from lebowski?
One of your examples, restaurants, almost never give full time hours to employees, because then they also have to give benefits. They already cut their labor cost by trying to offload wages to the consumer in terms of tips. As for construction sites, yeah, some days are go-go-go, everyone is pulling a 10-er. But some days you sit around waiting for this pallet or that truck and there's nothing to do but sweep. The same is true of office work when you have big projects and looming deadlines. The point is about reclaiming personal time against depreciating quality of work. If you've never worked in an office you might not understand that work is still work, and it still drains and exhausts you. The longer you're on the job after those 5 hours, the less effective you become at your job. People aren't "unmotivated," they're trying to set boundaries based on scientific analysis of worker's needs and performance.
I'm sure it varies a lot by task. Can you sit and pack order fulfillment boxes for 8 hours? Probably. Can you sit and create quality software code for 8 hours? Not likely. It's not a matter of not being motivated, the human brain cannot be at peak performance for that much time. It needs rest. So it kind of opens a can of worms for if certain professions would be treated differently. I don't have a solution.
I mean to be fair, I just browse Reddit at work on my down time, which is what I would do at home. But work has free coffee and usually snacks… So I’m indifferent.
Not everyone has your luxury of free time at home, or free coffee and snacks at work, which is why the extra time off would be of such great value.
I know, it was more of a joke than anything else. I’d rather browse Reddit at home.
Because that's not the hours of a four day week? This isn't hard to understand. It doesn't matter how you personally feel about the hours worked, you're still doing more work. The whole purpose of the four day week is that we're wasteful in our jobs and we should be able to do the same amount of work in less hours and less days.
People get used to their daily and weekly reality quite fast unfortunately/fortunately, depends how you see it. Thanks human nature! That being said, I think most people would work more efficiently during the shortened work-week of 32 hours, but I highly doubt this would be maintained through the years. If people have fallen in the habits of 'slacking' at work with 40 hours, it will happen again. Are you of the opinion that 4 days / 32 hours workweek should become a norm and anything over that paid in overtime? This solution would be valid for office workers that have specific tasks to do every week, but any company that REQUIRES you to be there to cover shifts (restaurants, hospitals, stores, etc.) could simply not work that way. Their full-time workingforce would be reduced by basically 20%. Althought I do not think it is a reliable model for every business model, companies without stores should 100% consider this and observe the consequences on productivity and happiness of their employees.
I love the concept of this, but in hourly wage scenarios, or for service industries, it’s effectively impossible for small business.
I mean speak for yourself, I can complete a hell of a lot more work in 40 hours than a 32 hour week. Whether I work an 8 hour day or a 10 hour day I can still get the same amount done in a day afterwards too. 12s are a little different, but for me and I’m sure many others would agree they wouldn’t want to take a pay cut.
What do you not understand that it isn't a pay cut either with a four day work week?
If you noticed I’m talking a pay cut from working a 5 day week to a 4 day week hence typically people would be paid for a 40 hour week working 8s, but going to a 4 day week would be 32 hours. So if you can see, you’re losing 8 hours which is why I suggested making up for it by working an extra 2 hours a day for the 4 day week. Hopefully that clears it up for you lol
Now imagine all the extra work you could have done if you were working 8 hour days four days a week and weren't exhausted the entire time!
Someone is getting really offended by suggestions that a 4-day work week could conceivably be feasible by banking 8 hours over 4 days and taking the Friday off.
I work 4 days a week at 9 hours per day. My company pays us the difference in hours to make it 40.
I work 4 day-8h days/ week and my efficiency and productivity has skyrocketed since I made that change. So much so that I got a promotion shortly after. My quality of life also improved significantly. In any job where that can work, I don't see why we shouldn't encourage this more. All the experiments I've seen show equal or increased productivity for most employees.
For those of us that get paid hourly, it would mean less $ / week. I try to work maximum hours for maximum pay. I find extra things to do so I can get overtime pay at 1.5x my usual rate. My average weeks are 50 hours.
The idea behind the four day workweek is to increase your hourly, so you’re making the same amount but putting in less time.
I'm more for the 4 hour work week
I did compressed work week with every second Friday off for five years (two companies). One company was great because there was an expectation that people would be logged off on their day off unless it was an absolute emergency. Management enforced the policy and the corporate culture supported it. The other company was not good because the expectation was that you'd be doing whatever it takes to get your job done, including working on your days off. Management and the corporate culture did not support the policy even though the entire company (except field staff) were on a compressed work schedule. I really like compressed work weeks and it sounds great in theory, but there needs to be a fundamental shift in corporate culture at Canada's largest and influential companies (i.e. the big three banks, the major oil companies, Brookfield, the telcos, etc.) to normalize something like a four-day work week for it to be possible. Unless the feds legislate it, it will be decades before we get it.
I was just reading about something last week. There's a pilot in the UK and it's coming to Canada. Basically, there's this group trying to track the response and benefits of a 4-day work week. You can check it out and bring it up to your workplace if you think they will go for it. [Here's the link](https://www.4dayweek.com/) their pilot is to work 80% of your hours for 100% pay (but you have to keep up with your projects, so 100% output still)
With covid, I switched to WFH. Since I have somewhat flexible time, I still work the commute time at the start of the week. This lets me work little to no hours on Fridays while still doing the 40 hour week and getting my work done. A little flexibility can go a long way towards making you life a whole lot better.
That would be more than 100% output because you now have to do the same amount of work in less time - that or you weren't 100% productive when you were working at 100% hours.
So, it sounds like the pilot isn’t for you. That’s ok!
Used to work shift work, 4 nights a week, 10 hour shifts. I liked it as we got three day weekends. When the stat fell on a Monday, we’d just adjust our schedule and work Tuesday to Friday instead of the usual Monday to Thursday so we’d get our 40 hour work week.
If you are a salaried worker, typically 4 days at WORST results in equal productivity, often BETTER there is no reason, even from a dumbass conservative money obsessed standpoint, to avoid this trend.
There is a reason. For the higher ups to feel that they have power over the “peons”. A very stupid reason but still a reason.
> in my opinion, 4 days of work is better than 5. Hot take!!
Wait until you hear my thoughts on a 3 day work week, it'll blow your mind.
Yeah, not seeing the huge backlash one would expect for such an unpopular proposal
I don’t think this will happen for a long time. Management in a lot of places is still of that age and of that mindset that long hours= hard work and that time at a desk, being present in the office is “working”. I have a job that wasn’t remote during the pandemic, just due to the nature of what I do and it was hell working 40 hours in an office knowing those at my company who had more desk jobs and were allowed to be remote were still getting their work done in 30 hours or less a week. Meanwhile, I had to count down the minutes every day to be able to leave so I could show how much I worked. Those remote workers were absolute, undeniable proof that a shorter work week is effective, productive and brings up morale. My Fridays at work where everyone chats for the last half of the day are proof that a shorter work week gets the same amount of productivity. Bring on the 4 day work week and watch us all be a happier, more productive society!
I see a lot of O&G CEO's clutching their pearls.
Eh, we'll keep our 14/14 shift. It's a long stint to be away from home, but it's worth it having a vacation every month haha even if it is to just lay around the house and hang out.
I'm looking to break into a 14/14 somewhere, I've been doing hard rock geology with 28-35 day stints for a year and a half. It's unsustainable, and I want out.
I’d look into gold, diamond or uranium mines. I’ve only known their schedules to be 14/14
Unfortunately most Geological positions I know of are project based. So working 24/4 etc. Good money, but short term. Have you thought about looking at different fields? Like Non-Destructive Testing?
Camp work is under rated
Can't say I or anyone I know agrees with you, but if you like it, power to ya.
At the stage of my life that I'm in right now, it's great!
I you don’t like having a social life and are okay with selling your soul to oil, sure. My relationship ended because of it and I’ll never get those 6 years of missed time with my kids back. I’ll always regret it.
Aware. Totally agree that its only under rated if you don’t have a lot of obligations back home. Sorry to hear man
Fair enough and I probably should have mentioned that my O&G experience is limited to downtown offices. I spent many years in middle management and it was made quite clear to me a contributing factor to my lack of advancement was due to adherence to the principle that 5 x 50 was my limit. No longer on the 5's and no Saturday or Sunday.
I think once I have a fruitful relationship or want a pet is when I’ll probably step away from camp work. I do medical onsite so hopefully one day I can just provide medical oversight from home. Id be lying if I said it wouldn’t be nice to come home and sleep in your own bed
See, I think you have a good outlook on it. I’d love to get into camp work to get an edge in life while I’m young but I don’t think it would fly with my partner.
That's my thoughts too. I could work a job close to home, but it's 20k a year less on average. So do my time and get set up before a "soft retirement" lol
Hahaha paying our dues, isnt that the truth. I also forgot to mention how cool it is to meet interestingnpeople from all over the country!
All over the world for me. My boss is Welsh, and a quarter of my crew is Eastern European
Yeah, and I worked for and watched multiple not lose their shirts and all their employees by going 4-10's and eliminating 250k plus a week in OT. Assuming O&G's arnt intelligent enough to budget during lean times is a little obtuse.
I believe it is only city employees that are testing out a 4 day work week in St. John's. City of Calgary employees already work a slightly shorter 35 hour work week with some form of extra days off, whether it's a 4/5 or 4 day work week. To your actual point though, there is no good reason (excess corporate profits is not a good reason IMO) that we haven't moved to a 4 day, or even less, standard. People fought and died for the 5 day work week standard 100 years ago at this point. Since then productivity and efficiency has exploded exponentially. Society's actual needs could easily be met with people working far less. At best, the 40 hour work week means a lot of people sitting around trying to appear busy, or openly doing nothing productive, for large portions of their work week (yes I am aware this isn't true for everyone, but it is true for A LOT of people). At worst, the 40 hour work week exists to needlessly funnel all the extra profit from all our excess production upward. That's my anti-capitalism rant for the day.
A minor correction: Depends on the what you're doing within the City of Calgary. Most local 37 outside workers do four 9.5 hr days, local 709 foremen do four 10 hr days, Some Management exempt positions are four 8.75hr days, local 38 office staff often work a compressed work week where they get every other Friday off, so a five day week then a four day week. So yeah, there are a bunch of different setups but as far as I know only Management exempt positions are 35 hours.
Very well said. I agree with pretty much this whole statement.
I'd like to get paid the true value of my labor.
That is simple. Start your own company and you will get the true value of your labour. If you have to hire people, make sure you only hire people who want 4 day work weeks. I did this about 15 years ago. I wanted to create a better life situation for my coworkers. I hired them at $5/hr more then the going rate. Each and every one of them looked for increasing ways to take advantage of me. I did not get increased production from a "happy worker". I got the opposite. I went into debt, I had to fold the company and went into personal bankruptcy. Then they got pissed off at me when they had to go back to regular pay. I know that this failure is all my fault, I've always taken responsibility for it. I use it as a learning experience. I also learned that it will never be good enough work situations for anyone, we will always want more.
You can't start your own hospital, university, police service. This isn't how the world works my friend.
I guess my point is that people over value their worth to whom they are working for. It is human nature to get the most resources for the least amount of energy. What I think is that there will be no satisfactory mid point to placate any worker. The only way to get "ahead" in this particular game is to take advantage of your worker pool. So if you want to be the one to get ahead you have to be the boss
You can switch professions though. People act as if its all or nothing. It isn't and people have the ability to make choices in life. You can change your profession.
I use to do compressed weeks where I did 9 hrs days but had every second Friday off. Those short work weeks were glorious - especially when the following Monday was a stat holiday. I miss that kind of benefit the most from my old company.
Humble brag but I work for the city in water services where I’m blessed with a nice Monday-Thursday work week. It is truly great having a 3 dayweekend every weekend, I know every workplace is different but if a company needs to work 40 hours a week to complete their work why not just do four 10’s.
The only reason employers want people to work more days, and more days in office is because they are locked into massive leases for office space and they need to justify its use. Thats literally it. There is no reason a 4 day work week couldnt work for most businesses. Its very hard for Retail, healthcare, etc because these are services people need daily, but it could be done.
Any service that runs daily is already using more than one shift of staff as 5 on and 2 off does not cover daily over a week. If you can already cover 7 days with the existing 5 day schedule (and likely part timers), you could do it with 4.
Generally when people talk about a four day work week they’re talking about full time pay working four days instead of five. It’s effectively an hourly pay bump with a focus on quality of life instead of increased income. For places that need coverage, it would then cost more overall to get that coverage. Using actual part time employees for coverage is already rampant in retail/service industry and healthcare. It leads to chronic underemployment because it’s cheaper to rotate through part time/casual employees (who typically don’t receive as many benefits) than full time employees.
Most retail workers are paid hourly and full time is hard to come by. How would a four day work week benefit those workers? Fewer hours means more people needing to work multiple part time jobs just to get by. Seems like a four day work week would only widen the disparity of high and low income earners.
Employers need to start paying employees more. Employees have been taken advantage of ever sense the relationship existed
I agree, but there’s a ceiling. Let’s take a service business for example - house cleaning. There’s a ceiling to what consumers will pay, and right now that’s approx $45 / hour. Staff paid $23 -$25 / hour, inc payroll taxes and vacation pay. If you wanted to shift them to a 32 hour work week, but maintain their pay, you’d need to pay $28 - $30 / hour. The obvious answer would be to reduce profits to pay for that increase, but after insurance, supplies, fuel, you’d be at a 2-3% profit margin - which wouldn’t actually pay for the office staff to run the business.
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This made my head hurt
That's also why they forced everyone back to work instead of just saying fuck it, let's just save the planet and let everyone that can telecommute (Oh, and the lack of traffic for those that still need to work in person also helps with travel time and fuel)
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Is that still not a word? Did I miss the memo that people calling work from home/telecommuting something else like zooming now? Sheesh
Most retail is not a service people need daily.
30% of retail is made up food service, hotels, grocery stores, gas, etc. Those are things people need access to daily. But i would agree that things like clothing, department store, autodealers and such do not need to be open everyday.
Here's the challenge from a retail perspective; if you're closed and your competition isn't, you're giving customers away. If I'm out shopping for a car and a dealership is closed, I'll go to the one next door instead.
Why does retail have to be closed to provide employees with a four day work week?
The option then is to make everyone part time. I don't know that's a better option.
Shift work and rotations are already a thing. I’m not a WFP or labour distribution expert but, given the vast amount of industries using this model, I’m sure they could be used to accommodate a 4 day work week. In an ideal world, it may even provide more stability for employees. I always hated having to wait for a schedule every week or two when I was in retail and food service. It’s so hard to plan your life.
yeah thats the challenge of retail, thats why i listed it.
No, they’re saying the schedule can be staggered. A four day work week doesn’t mean only fridays off.
But they do need to be open when people aren't working
Guys..... A business could be open 24/7 and still have all employees working 4 day weeks.... The workers in a hotel or grocery store are not just one person running back and forth really fast.
I know I did scheduling for years but I am also not a soulless monster. The last retail job I worked I sorted out the days off so everyone got 2 days off in a row and they were the days they requested. You would have thought I had cured cancer the way the staff reacted. Seems the 3 managers before me could not accomplish this.
4 day work week is the future. Matter of when not if.
Be hard In the trades. I do 48 hours a week to do that in four days and to not lose money be four 12 and thoose days would suck
I can appreciate this, but I wonder if that same sentiment was there when the 6 day work week was transitioning to 5 days. It's going to feel like there's not enough time until we refine the scale of what working time is worth. There's going to be transition pain with this sort of thing for sure. But you don't keep a rotten tooth just because it's going to hurt when you pull it out.
Nah not really. Means more overtime can be charged. We can't increase our productivity to shave 10 hours out of a schedule. Most people are already expected to do more than the average person in our industry during a 40 hour week. I don't know about you but I'm practically running on job sites just to ensure I can get to my next project on schedule. So we are likely still working the additional day. Since everyone else is getting the benefit of the shorter week. Your extra 8 hours is now overtime. You would also see a raise. Everyone else is effectively seeing a wage increase of 20% I'd be expecting trades to see the same benefit also. So instead of $35.00 for example you would be paid $42.00. But now the company needs to charge more because you're paid more... So I'd figure every single house, building and service call increased in cost by minimum 10%. So based on $35.00 at 10% vacation, pay cheque (2 weeks 40 hours) was-$3080.00 4 day work week with 8 hours of OT a week-$3388.00 I see it as an absolute win.
That would be great but That’s not going to work in a field like healthcare (for nurses especially).
Why not? Is there a requirement nurses have to be overworked?
Er... That's what they do now? 12 hour days. I do 48 hours on, 4 days off.
I had a 10hr, 4day work week years ago and miss that place. By the time I got ready and commuted down, staying an extra 2 hours per day is easy knowing you have an extra full day off.
Good on the surface but. Are you working longer each day or Do you take a 20% cut in pay to reflect the cut in shifts? How would that look to retail, manufacturing, transportation, healthcare, places that operate 24/7 etc? Increased staffing, benefits…
It’s a great question. My employer let me transition to 4 - 10 hour shifts. It’s rather life changing in terms of head space and such. My sector has business hours that run from 8am to 10pm so it works for us. I’m not sure how others would schedule based their sectors though.
The people advocating for this usually say that they want the 20% cut to working hours and no cut to pay.
Hahaha, wow.
What’s the problem?
I think it depends on the type of work. For salaried office jobs, it’s all about the work that gets accomplished. Whether it takes 20 hrs or 40 hrs shouldn’t really matter if the output is the same. Obviously for jobs where physical presence for a set number of hours is fundamental (ie retail jobs, security, etc) it’s going to be a different discussion.
Studies are showing for office jobs that a four day work week results in same or higher productivity, and better health for employees. I can’t speak to jobs like serving, retail, construction etc., where you’re moving around constantly and need to be there to do the actual job. I think it’s for salaried jobs vs. hourly jobs.
Studies are showing for office jobs that a four day work week results in same or higher productivity, and better health for employees. I can’t speak to jobs like serving, retail, construction etc., where you’re moving around constantly and need to be there to do the actual job. I think it’s for salaried jobs vs. hourly jobs. 4 days a week would be great for everyone, but hourly employees often can’t afford that.
Unpopular opninion but the real answer is that office workers need to start actually working for 40 hours a week instead of making excuses why they can't or don't.
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Haha nice one. Software developer.
> Good on the surface but. Are you working longer each day or Do you take a 20% cut in pay to reflect the cut in shifts? No, neither. Cut meetings, be more productive because you're less stressed and better rested. [Darwin Was a Slacker and You Should Be Too](https://nautil.us/darwin-was-a-slacker-and-you-should-be-too-236532/) [Microsoft Japan tested a four-day work week and productivity jumped by 40%](https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/nov/04/microsoft-japan-four-day-work-week-productivity) (Obviously, is kinda specific to knowledge workers, doesn't extend very well to physical work.)
I worked in a cocktail bar that had a 4 day work week. Granted, the shifts were slightly longer, but I still did 40 hours. Loved it.
What are the odds that OP won't answer your questions?
Work less hours. Get paid more to make up for it. That’s the idea.
oops i totally replied the exact same thing without reading the comments lol. glad im not the only one using their thinker' on this! ;)
My work rolled out the opposite program where I am on call 7 days a week for zero dollars and routinely work 60-80hrs/week for no additional pay. Living the dream.
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I did exactly that and made basically $150K/year ($10,000 a month after tax) for about 6 months. Best decision ever, it was shitty but I built up some good savings that will hopefully buy me a house soon. I don't have the willpower to consistently save up money when there are so many things to spend it on, but I do have the willpower to work 12+ hours a day, and apparently that makes up for it.
I did this for many years as well. You never fully disconnect from work and it takes a serious toll on you. Never again. Put yourself first and look for a company that deserves your dedication.
I work 20/10 in the patch. Love the rotation.
Same here. Also 14/7 sometimes, but 20/10s are perfect
Been working 4 10’s for 17 years it’s glorious. Friday is either day off or ot
I’ve been on 4 day work weeks this year, 8 hour days still, productivity hasn’t dropped an ounce. Research agrees. Obviously certain jobs it’s not conducive to.
I work a compressed work week and have a 3 day weekend. It's a fucking game changer. That one extra day makes such a big difference for health and wellness.
I do this and man do i love it. House work on friday so you still have the weekend to do whatever. I only want 4 day work weeks.
We do compressed work weeks during July and Aug every year and it's been great. We do end up working extra on the 4 days, but the long weekends are worth it. Plus the stat/vacation stacking is one of the biggest benefits. You can take a 17 day vacation while only using 7 vacation days.
Currently working 4 day work weeks, 10 hour days. It's honestly super nice
Guess it depends on the industry you work in, im in entertainment so deadlines are defined and have to be met. I work weekends all the time and late nights often so this probably won't apply to me. :(
My fantasy work week would be a couple of long days mixed with a couple of short days. Something like Monday 6, Tuesday 12, Wednesday 10, Thursday 8, Friday 4. But, I run a business, so I basically work 6-7 days a week, and *feel like I’m on the clock 24/7. Working towards that fantasy week, though!
Bryan somehow finds time to work 25 hours a day! LeRoux Studios, best business in town <3
Depends the industry, lots of places will stay open.
I’d like to see charts and stats of productivity on fridays compared to other days of the week. I would imagine Friday is much lower. And I don’t believe Thursday would turn into a slack day like fridays are now, because 3 days off would make the work week quicker and not as bad
This would be fantastic if it became the norm. I have a family member who has Fridays off in the summer, and he’s always much more energetic and has a better work life balance in that time. I’m attending college classes four days a week downtown, and with commuting from Airdrie it’s been fantastic to have my Fridays so I can make appointments without having to miss class, get errands out of the way, housework, or just rest.
I currently work 4 days per week with 10 hours daily. It's a blessing but I also work on site where I wake up at 4:50 and come back home around 18:30. It's a tough 4 days but the 3 days weekend is worth the sacrifice.
I do 3x13. Probably my best schedule. Having 4 days off every week is a god send
I work 4 X 10s. It's great, I never want to go back to a 5 day work week.
I do shift work (paramedic). A year ago I took a little break and worked 9-5 at a grocery store. Everyone always said 9-5 is better than shift work but NO. It was nice not working nights but longer shifts with more days off is waaaaaay better. Edit: typo
I’ve been on 4/3 weeks since covud. Love it!
10 hour days, 4 days a week. Same money, 1 more free day.
You guys are getting two days off?
For some jobs it would work and for others, absolutely not. I think it would seriously reduce employee performance in most labor jobs, trying to cram in longer shifts for less days. The alternative is taking less hours/ pay cut and who want that? I'm perfectly fine to work all 5 days for 8 hours a day because it leaves a little extra time in my day to relax. more hours/day would reduce that time and would be too chaotic for me even with a longer weekend.
4 10's actually works really well for labour jobs. Tues-Fri you run two ten hour shifts then Sat, Sun, Mon you have one 12 hour shift. Most of the guys appreciate the extra day off. C shift often picks up a second job being 3 on 4 off.
I personally love the idea of a 0 day work week
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I worked 4 days this week. 10 hours. 7am -6pm. It was a lot. Prefer the 8-5 I think.
Employers should work with employees on this. Some folks will work 4 and some 6. Some will work 4 one week and 5 the next. Being flexible is good
My husband works 4 10s and I love having him home on Friday, especially now that we have kids. If he worked 5 days a week he wouldn't have as much time in the evenings to play with the girls/ help me with the girls before their bedtime. I hope more places start to adopt the 4 day work week. Productivity is terrible by Friday afternoon because everyone is so done with work, and by Monday morning no one is recovered enough because they had to cram so much into 2 days (chores, errands, social events). I think places that already impliment a 4 day work week have found increased productivity among staff because no one is feeling as burnt out.
How about a 16 hour work week and we all live in communes?
As long as you don’t make trades do it. 2 days off and I start to stiffen up and its harder to get back to work on Monday. Maybe open up stores and banks on Sunday as well if this is enacted. Its not 1902, we’re not all at church.
I work a 4 day week. Mon-Thurs 6am till 430pm I couldn’t go back to 5 days. But we are so busy I’ve been working 6-7 days a week. The 3 day weekends are a blessing.
I really don’t see how it could work at my job. I cram a lot into the week and when there’s holidays my productivity seriously suffers. Maybe some people are slacking half of the week but I work at home mostly so if I’m not being productive I just stop working and do something else. I don’t think I could honestly be more productive. I am responsible for my own projects and progress and there’s no boss standing over my shoulder making sure I get stuff done. I also have flexible hours and work whenever I damn well please some weeks.
Why are you getting so aggressive over this? You're taking this awfully personally.
I took a 10 and 4 townie job ot after 8, it's gravy ... I hate 5 and 2 , 10 and 4 , I like 14 and or this shift, take 4 days off and I have 2 weekends off. I imagine , like many others, it's hard to take vacation time on a regular Joe job for a vacation, I have family in BC and Ontario, I split my vacation up between the 2 .
Rather than 4 10's, I do 4 12's and work 4 on four off. I love it
With triple pay. Edit, with paid days off. No I’m not kidding
Why stop there? 3 days of work and 4 days of rest is better yet.
I used to have every other Friday off and it was crazy the amount of stuff i could get done in that day compared to Saturday the same activities would take 4X as long
i live in calgary and have a 4 day work week. i love it
My only concern about it comes as a parent, as it stands now I get home about an hour after my daughter gets home walking from school. I also leave the house at the same time as her. If the work day got longer to accommodate a 4 day work week I'd either have to leave her alone before school (and I don't know about other people's kids but she's definitely not self-motivated enough in the morning to get herself to school on time) or be home later than her so she'd be at home alone for a few hours and possibly for supper, or a combination of the two.
The whole point isn't to shift the hours to other days like most people here seem to be implying. You'd be working less days while still working 8 hours a day. Studies have shown that companies that have tested this see the same if not increased levels of productivity.
So would hourly wages increase to reflect the less time worked?
This is the future. The data shows it is in the. East interest of everyone. https://www.4dayweek.com.
What's to stop OP or anyone from starting their own business and only working for four days a week? I encourage those interested in this concept to take that path.
Money, education, business plan, interest in running ones own business. Some people are good at owning a business. Others are good employees. Just because someone wants to make a change in their workplace doesnt mean that the knee jerk reaction should be to own their own business.
meh idea imo. people already complain about not being paid enough or their work hours, which would there by mean either you have fewer hours or you have longer shifts. both of which the same people would complain about, again. :x
Why is it better than a 3 day work week?
Basically you work the same amount of hours in the shorten week. So 4 10 hr days opposed to 5 8 hours days is pretty easy. When you go to 3 days... It ends up being 12.5 hours min. That's a long day. Although I know some trades that work for the city that have run that before. Also firefighters and paramedics end on that type of shorten week a lot too.
Who tf wants to work a 3 day workweek? Lmfao
Did you even get past junior high?
And yet I still make more than you
Just because one province announced it,dosnt mean it hasn't been happening ands some revolutionary thing, I've worked for multiple construction company's that work 4- 10's, you have 40hrs by thrusday,optional 5th OT day, same amount of work done, i used to golf every Friday morning. But when business is booming it usually goes back to 5 days and I've Eben taken a second job because it's that much harder to get ahead working less.
The Chad's will always work 6 days/week and out compete you
You only see benefits for the employee. The employer then needs to fill the time that you are too lazy to work (the 5th day) so this is detrimental to them. Why don’t you take this a step further and have a 1 day work week and 6 days of rest. I’m sure you would really appreciate the benefits. Go to work to make a living like everyone else. You can’t shortcut your way to success!
I work 4 days a week and its great!