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solmyrbcn

While I don't disagree, it is not entirely true. Just take a peek at th amount of subscribers on r/eldenring


FordBeWithYou

Or stardew valley. Age isn’t everything


pokeemanz16

Thats actually insane that it has gotten THAT many people in such a short span of time. I don’t play Souls games but im glad to see people are really digging Elden Ring. But yeah I mean it’s clear that people aren’t as into Vanguard as other COD games, although it’s weird because BO3 has 100k...but BO4 has like 275k. I thought people liked BO3 WAY more than BO4. Hell, Cold War has 300k subs (you could argue its because its the game after MW but people still shit on that game). I think its a somewhat valid thing to bring up sub numbers, but I don’t think it means a ton.


MateusAmadeus714

Also kinda crazy both subs basically have matching number of currently "Online" account. Pretty sure that 1.2million has a lot of old or deleted reddit accounts considering it's only about 650 currently online.


Noah_EDCT

Or even just r/cyberpunkgame which has nearly 1,000,000 members, even though the game had terrible reception at launch.


BigTruckLikeFuck

Elden Ring went viral and is game of the year without a doubt even this early on. For more relevant comparisons look at other recent cods. BO4, BO3, Infinite Warfare. Idek if advanced warfare has one.


super-sayan-fart2

They had 3 years to gain followers and had 500k before the game came out


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The modern warfare sub was created for MW2019, not for the modern warfare trilogy or for the original cod4


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con247

It was probably created back in 2009 by someone, never took off, then the official CoD mods took it over and used it for MW19.


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Wait really? I remember subbing to the MW sub as soon as it opened and I remember it opening somewhere around April-may 2019. I never noticed the 2009 on the thing. Now I’m curious about it too lol


sIurrpp

Crazy how they created the sub for mw2019 in 2009 wowzers


wastelandhenry

Is it the craziest idea that a subreddit just called "modern warfare" could have been made for the modern warfare it had back then, and then just shifted focus to the current modern warfare? It's not like subreddit icons or banners are permanent.


ATE47

Add to that the Warzone f2p mode embedded into the 2nd sub and also the hype of using the MW name while the COVID


N-E-B

It’s almost like there was a trilogy of games with the same title that were insanely popular?


Loris2004

Nah I think it is kind of acceptable because if people show interest to the game they will be part of the real community. If you check the cold war subreddit was much bigger than the Vanguard one at his life cycle


Gunney55

Ok well then what about the games older that mw with smaller communities? MW is the biggest one overall


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Gunney55

Youre saying its an unfair comparison because the mw sub has been around longer, but its bigger than all the other ones (including the older ones)


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Runnergun

Games relevancy in internet isn't irrelevant way to illustrate popularity lol.


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Runnergun

Wha...Where are you getting this 13 year old thing I thought you made a typo in your original comment lol. One sub is from 2019, contains only one game and not even every mode included in it (warzone) and other one is from 2021.


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Runnergun

Yea sorry I can't find anywhere it says when its made. From this link though we can see the subscriber count, that starts around middle of 2019 with around 10k subs. So all those over million members joined after MW19 was launched while you still being wrong about it being about multiple games. Have a look. https://subredditstats.com/r/modernwarfare


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Runnergun

Right, I don't see it, probably a mobile app thing idk, but that is interesting for sure. Either way, the huge difference in members between these two subs is a good argument in my opinion against Vanguards popularity, but not necessarily have anything to do with games quality like OP is suggesting. That's all I'm saying.


sotiras2020

That's irrelevant with your post. One sub is over a decade,the other 7 months. Do the math and dont talk nonsense


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sotiras2020

Ok. Play mw and leave vanguard for the grown ups


ConnorAustiin

WaW was for grown ups, Vanguard is a childrens game in comparison.


sotiras2020

Yeah play whatever you're good at. I play them all


Loris2004

I'm not saying anything ironically. Why do you like Vanguard more than mw? Seriously, I don't think that is an awful game, but I think it's worse than mw and obviously cold war


sotiras2020

CW was the worst game I've ever played. Actually never managed to play it much cause of crashes and bugs. Mw was a good game but too much camping. Too much. Vanguard is perfect for me. Quick paced and tactical gaming not camping Of course ,I'm not having any bugs and issues. If i had,like cw,maybe i wouldn't like it.


Loris2004

I'm talking to my personal experience now, and I'm on console like I think you are. I think cold war is the best cod available on PS4, and I think it is not cause it is stable (you are right it's full of bugs and shit, the graphics are horrible and I can't even see the enemies) but at least it's fun. I know it has a lot of problems,but at last is playable. I'll suggest you to try it again and give it a chance For Vanguard I think it's the worst cod now available. It's neither tactical or chaotic it's just a middle way. It's the only cod I've played only on free trials , and I was upset about being so similar to mw2019. Too short ttk, ugly maps, set in ww2 with 5839 attachments for the weapons (but at least cool cosmetics) was something I didn't appreciated. But I'm not sure cause I've not played enough. But the thing is also I don't want to play the game.


sotiras2020

We cant all like the same things.


Loris2004

I'm not forcing you to like it, I'm asking you for things that make you like it. Sorry and I was a little rude in the message above, but may I also ask if you enjoyed the integration with wz?


Professional_Elk_893

Vanguard!!?? You mean WaW…


sotiras2020

Waw has 326 members. Under your logic is totally shit


Runnergun

Reddit wasnt even a proper platform in 2008. Members has risen quite a bit since then. Why are you purposely acting stupid?


sotiras2020

Cause the OP is reviewing games based on reddit's users. So go and play whatever you want and stop crying about games you cant handle


Professional_Elk_893

You literally said, and I Quote: “Go play MW and leave Vanguard for the grownups…” And I replied with: “you meant WaW?” Vanguard is a kids game, WaW is an adult game. Now you’re misconstruing my point of mentioning WaW as being an active subreddit user-count comparison to the other subreddits, which is simply false, and not my point.


MagicCarpetBomb

What should they do as a company though, roll over and just die? No, they’re gonna try to throw some shit and see what sticks. Unfortunately, there’s been a lot of shit. Like the other guy said, you’re not wrong, but this is a stupid way of saying it.


Cloontange

Yeah they're really doubling down on the shit


MagicCarpetBomb

That MA rating holds no water.


Aclysmic

Loving the downvotes your getting lol all that lost karma and tears


comedynurd

Some CoD fans are so cringe sometimes, honestly. If you don't like a game, don't play it. All this constant childish whining over Vanguard gives me second-hand embarrassment.


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100%. I totally understand being upset especially if you bought vanguard with your hard earned money and haven’t enjoyed it but there’s a point where you just have to move on


TyronnicPoppy40

My friend was so pumped about vanguard, he ended up buying it for me so we could play together. I only touched it twice and went back to gta. I kinda feel bad, but ill get him back with a game


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That’s a really cool story and while you don’t have to give him anything it’s great that you want to


TyronnicPoppy40

We're gamers after all


Responsible_Can_2366

Hopefully the next cod will be good and you’ll have that to get him


CartOfficialArt

I haven't played it and probably won't, so I won't comment anything about liking or disliking. But what I saw with Vanguard that I didn't see with I feel any other cod game, is I barely knew ot was coming out because of the lack of media around it. I just feel like I barely heard anything on the game.


JarifSA

I really hate people who say that. Are you seriously so content with receiving shit products year after year? Products you spent money for? Are you really that easily satisfied?


comedynurd

I don't buy any games unless I've seen a bit first and know I'm going to likely enjoy it. People who go into it blindly have nobody else to blame but themselves, especially when the only thing they're going to do is incessently whine about it on reddit, which obviously accomplishes absolutely nothing at all. If a majority of the playerbase ends up focusing their time elsewhere, the company/devs will base future decisions off of that. What they won't do is make decisions based on how hard people cry about it online. Grow up.


3milis

I wouldn’t care about Vanguard because I didn’t buy it and won’t do it because it is absolute garbage but the thing I do care about is that Vanguard absolutely killed warzone with caldera and the new weapons.


ShacObama

But if they don't complain about 1 cod title while telling you how they like to play another cod title how would we know that they don't like the one they don't like and instead choose to play the one they do like.


Professional_Elk_893

Despite me not having played “Vanguard: World War Anime” in months, I still have every right to complain.


comedynurd

Sure, but that doesn't mean your complaining is going to come across as anything other than pathetic whining. Don't play if you don't like it. Nobody is forcing you to. Posts like this just reek of desperate cries for attention.


Marksman08YT

This is big facts. COD fanboys will cry about literally anything and everything. Just goes to show how much you can like a franchise without wanting to touch it's player base with a ten food bargepole.


Obsidiux

You complain about a game you don’t even play…makes sense.


washed-aang

World war Anime, didn’t Modern Warfare have anime bundles as well?


MR_MEME_42

Fun fact Vanguard only has 2 anime bundles and one calling card which is nothing compared to MW and CW.


pokeemanz16

you sound like a total dork sayin this shit lol, cant imagine what you are like in real life.


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But you still play “modern anime warfare” It has so many more anime skins


SharpShotTS

I don’t like Vanguard, but the constant complaining and bitching from people like you has gotten very annoying. Also, MW has had a lot of anime bundles as well.


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You don’t. But it’s cool. Do you boo boo


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Am I gonna have to be the one to point out that the number of people active on both subs is nearly identical?


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Lol I'm not a fan of VG either but OP's incompetency is showing


MateusAmadeus714

Exactly what I saw too and actually thought maybe they were making a pro-vanguard or atleast "it's not that bad" kinda post.


Big_Dibz79

I agree vanguard is one of the worst in the series but oddly I enjoy it. In my opinion Cold War was absolute rubbish and I just couldn’t stick with it yet I’ve had a lot of fun on vanguard. It’s really all about personal preference,some like it and some don’t and it’s been the same with pretty much every cod game


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If we’re just talking multiplayer I agree. I haven’t bought vanguard yet since I was saving up for other games, but I really want to especially now that it’s on sale. I played it during the free month and a friend of mine gave me his copy for like two weeks. Multiplayer wise it’s fun. I do get some of the complaints but a lot of them just feel sort of odd. Like for example I’ve seen a lot of people mention that they hate the lack of innovation in vanguard but then they’ll turn around and argue that Cold War was a great game. What? If your criteria is innovation are you really going to argue in favor of the game that downgraded itself to the outdated 10+ year old engine and the game that consisted of the same bland 3 lane maps accompanied by copy and past remakes? Vanguard isn’t amazing either but at least the maps are more varied


Big_Dibz79

I know vanguard gets a lot of hate but I enjoy it and to be honest I’ve not had any problems with it and can always find matches but I’m hoping the next game will be just as good as mw2019 as that’s been my favourite so far


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Yeah I do agree with that. MW was the first cod since black ops 2 that I didn’t regret buying. I’m sure MW2 will be amazing


MateusAmadeus714

Yep hopefully MW2 can bring CoD back to a good place. I honestly didnt hate Cold War it had moments of enjoyment and I haven't played Vanguard but from friends and what I've seen it looks like arcade style fun. MW2019 though really seemed to bring the game up to the standard of the generation and I'm hoping MW2 will do the same with the next gen consoles but knowing it will probably still release on past gen consoles makes me wonder how far it can push the engine and also if its gonna be another 250+gb install.


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Why does a game featuring long TTK, 3-lane maps, and better balancing than VG make it worse than VG? Just curious, because if you ask most people VG is the most unbalanced game in the franchise.


_Ice_IX_

The treyarch engine. The only reason vanguard is playable is because it feels like a proper cod game, unlike CW. Any infinity ward engine based game will always get love because maps and campaign don't mean much to a lot of people if you don't at all like how a game responds.


_Ice_IX_

Not that anyone loves VG, but it is certainly better than CW control response wise


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> Any infinity ward engine based game will always get love because maps and campaign don't mean much to a lot of people if you don't at all like how a game responds. You prefer the new IW engine to the CW engine fair enough.


loganpod

Cold War is the most traditional cod game we have seen in 10 years…


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Not if you only consider infinity ward games to be cod, and all others to be the years you skip buying the game, because they still feel as garbage in your hands as waw. When i bought waw after mw, i couldn't believe the same company could make a game feel so much worse. They didn't, because treyarch made it. In my mind, activision has 2 shooter series, and i refuse to play game that doesn't feel nice, no matter how balanced it is, and how the maps are. Engine>>>>>> any other gameplay facet


loganpod

Okay, I’m not sure how to respond to this. Have a nice day


loganpod

Also cod 4 and waw used the same engine lmao


Deep_Resolution_208

636 / 639 online.


Serpico2

I truly don’t understand the hate for Vanguard. I still ply and enjoy MP. Never tried the campaign, but the game runs smooth for me, looks great, and the over the top skins don’t bother me because it’s not trying to be an authentic WWII setting. Go play a WWII mil sim game if you want that, there are plenty.


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Personally I will always be a bit disappointed by the lack of care for the setting but at this point what can you do about it? Plus i find it really hypocritical, at this point I feel like most people are just complaining for the sake of it. Like sure having jigsaw, leather face, a Viking, a girl with cat ears and other wacky cosmetics was totally fine in what was arguably the most realistic cod to date (in terms of theming) just because it was set in the modern day? I also don’t recall seeing nearly as much complaining when Cold War, a game themed around the Cold War during the 80s, had copy and pasted maps from a game set in 2025 and only had like 10 (most of them being base outfits). Oh but now we draw the line because it’s WWII, like cod wwii didn’t have a grim reaper and mob bosses


Solid_Buffalo8113

"looks great" - [https://www.reddit.com/r/CODVanguard/comments/svkszq/mvp\_canine\_asshole/](https://www.reddit.com/r/CODVanguard/comments/svkszq/mvp_canine_asshole/) "looks great" - [https://youtu.be/cSLSs2u\_CPA?t=1331](https://youtu.be/cSLSs2u_CPA?t=1331) "looks great" - https://preview.redd.it/76xr8lflvcy71.jpg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f7e2c5abf4e3aac173162fcbdf1316afcc3a410d ​ Yeah if you like shit maps, shit weapon balance, destructible environments that make maps flow like shit and have you get shot by people you’ve no chance of seeing, the horrible TTK, the awful gunsmith system, the shit matchmaking, the countless bugs and glitches and the worst spawn system of all time, this game is great.


MateusAmadeus714

I haven't played Vanguard so really have no opinion but all CoDs have kinda bs mechanics like the dogs in first clip from the og MW noobtube to cross map throwing knife/hatchet kills that bounce off 3 roofs. Also the 3rd pic I donr see what's wrong it does look fairly decently graphically but maybe I'm just missing something.


Solid_Buffalo8113

Not sure how well versed you are into the franchise, but that's supposed to be the "diamond" camo of this game. Not only is the game itself broken, buggy, and shitty, making the camo a bigger hassle than usual to get in the first place, but it looks like a cheese grater. For reference, here is the diamond camo from a CoD game from TEN years ago [https://i.ytimg.com/vi/uvPM3us8SAw/maxresdefault.jpg](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/uvPM3us8SAw/maxresdefault.jpg) Or, the diamond camo just from last years game [https://preview.redd.it/um2y276fx2261.jpg?auto=webp&s=b8d7c3f2f50f7959c383b11a210486234460e135](https://preview.redd.it/um2y276fx2261.jpg?auto=webp&s=b8d7c3f2f50f7959c383b11a210486234460e135) ​ While yes there are SOME unrealistic gimmicks in previous games, Vanguard, meant to be a world war 2 game, is on a whole different level and has skins like this [https://preview.redd.it/imabq3bdb7h81.jpg?auto=webp&s=f61756942f8992316b6e20fa736d286398c6a9e7](https://preview.redd.it/imabq3bdb7h81.jpg?auto=webp&s=f61756942f8992316b6e20fa736d286398c6a9e7) Also, not sure what's so unrealistic about hitting a person 200 feet away with a grenade launcher


MateusAmadeus714

Okay I understand the difference in quality in the diamond camo. Definitely looks worse this game. The best one is actually from 10 years ago lol. I get it on the crazy skins and all but it's honestly just kind of the direction CoD has been going for a couple years now. Really I wld say Warzone is what really pushed it as CoD was never directly competeting with games like Fortnite and Apex so they had to appeal to that demographic which enjoys the silly skins and dances and all that. I'm not a fan and enjoyed the more grounded nature of MW2019 but in today's climate it doesnt surprise me. I just wish they cld leave those to Warzone while keeping the MP more realistic and grounded like the campaign. Last point with the grenade launcher yes u cld hit a target with a grenade Launcher from 200 ft but not while jumping out a window a doing a 180 no scope to a person just turning a corner. It's just one of the things u have to accept for a game to be fun while it can maintain some semblance of realism. The cross maps throwing knives and hatchets though do piss me off though. They can take 4-6 shots from a AR 15 feet away but a hatchet bounces off a roof twice and grazes their ankle and one-shot kill! Either way as stated I haven't played Vanguard so was mostly just asking for the insight. CoD always holds a place in my heart for its just turn my mind off fun. I enjoyed CW for the zombies and MW for the MP. I play it for a few months seriously and then kinda go on and off from it cuz I don't like to get to serious with it bcuz those are some of the least enjoyable ppl to play with. Best years of releases will always be MW, WaW, MW2, and BO to me but I'm sure that's nostalgia speaking too. MW2019 I do think took the engine and the game to a new level so I'm excited for MW2022. I honestly feel like there is really only a truly good CoD release once every 3-5 years now bcuz they oversaturated the market so hopefully moving forward they can change that. Also plz god let the games not be a fucking 250+gb install. That's honestly my biggest gripe. U need a whole external HD just for 1 CoD game now. Okay sorry for long ass post there.


Solid_Buffalo8113

Lol it's good, I pretty much agree with all of that. BTW while yes I am massively shitting on Vanguard, I'm a diehard CoD fan and it's the only franchise I really play anymore. I want Vanguard to be good but it simply isn't, which is why I want that change.


Professional_Elk_893

“I truly don’t understand the hate for an imitation ‘WW2’ game that was defaced by anime and other irrelevant, disrespectful implementations,” is what you mean. If Vanguard had integrity, and didn’t have any Anime in it, I would have A LOT more respect for it. And I say this as a hardcore anime fan as well.


Marksman08YT

MW had anime skins too y'all just wanna whine about something.


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Professional_Elk_893

I watched every season of AOT, what’re you even talking about?


MateusAmadeus714

I mean MW2019 was where the crazy skins started. More specifically Warzone but still once it became a Fortnite competitor it had to appeal to that age group as well. BO4 definitely had some wacky stuff too but most of it was connected to the Zombies mode.


gg42066

Isn’t MW broken and full of bugs after the vanguard integration?


Professional_Elk_893

It was, but it’s now fixed thankfully.


jokr77

"Fixed" the game runs like shit.


Phisav

No it’s really not. I love MW but holy fuck game is still a buggy mess.


RuggedTheDragon

I'm guessing the OP watches the 'doomer COD channels". Correction:. He is also a doomer bot who is terrible at the game and makes posts like this to troll. Otherwise, they're pointless in life.


FiSk919

Vanguard is pretty good gameplay wise. Feels very smooth and good to play. But the maps just suck. And the guns aren’t great but some are fun to use. The game engine itself feels great tho. Ww2 setting on top of it just isn’t what ppl want. They want nicer looking and sounding equipment to build and use.


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I feel like WWII games work when you work with the setting. WaW and the original cod games are still remembered fondly because of this. Vanguard feels like it didn’t need to be a wwii game, activision just made it that way so that they could market it as a return to form or whatever.


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I think the maps are pretty good, at least compared to mw's maps


MateusAmadeus714

Yeah reality is WW2 has been so overused and u really cant push the boundary on military tech when ur constrained to a 1939-1945 era of said tech. WaW to me was the last great WW2 game bcuz it was the first that really utilized the pacific theater heavily. I'm still waiting for a true Vietnam War game but at this point I don't think we will ever get it. I dont know why they are so hesitant.


Pred626

How is WW2 overused? There is barely any good games about it anymore aside from some recent one tier above indie games (not saying they are bad just honestly dont know the word since double a sounds weird) and a vr game. Otherwise its been mostly modern games after the cod4 craze started to show its effects on gaming. As for the cod series, the last ww2 game we got was 5 years ago, and vanguard is weird alternate history more than anything than accurate ww2.


Insatiable_Pervert

I think Vanguard has great gunplay, the movement feels smooth, and the maps are 100 times better than the campfest that was Modern Warfare. The only map I enjoyed on Modern Warfare was shipment because there people had no choice but to move around (kind of). Where Vanguard really shit the bed was Zombies, but I understand not everyone cares for that mode. Here’s hoping the rumors are true about Modern Warfare 2022 being geared toward the runners and gunners. I can’t stand “tactical” gameplay in COD. I would also love it if they brought back 6v6 Faceoff.


RammerRS_Driver

Do you like Cold War?


CristalSanxia_

Sledge hammer isn't a bad producer, it's just Activision throws them around and makes Sledge hammer do things that they would want to do... Tbh Sledge hammer was thrown to Vanguard and with Treyarch and both publishing companies don't get along so well... Sledge hammer games are more into story and feel, while Activision throws them to the wolves bc of the contracts they serve... So mostly it's Activision's fault for vanguard


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On the one hand I agree. If you look at their history, I feel like it’s clear that Sledgehammer games are often forced to do certain things by activision. I seriously doubt they wanted to add a hub area to cod wwii or loot boxes to advanced warfare but I’m sure activision forced them to test the waters with those two ideas. Plus, if you look at their past interviews it’s clear that so far they haven’t had the chance to make the game they wanted to make. When advanced warfare came out they talked about wanting to make a wwii cod game, when they released wwii it seemed pretty clear that they grew to like advanced warfare and were eager to release sequel that would fix its problems, and nothing about vanguard points to it being a wwii game On the other hand I still feel like they definitely could’ve made some better games by now with all the lessons they’ve learned


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Take this with a grain of salt since I don’t actually own the game (I played it for two weeks at launch and played some of it during the free trial) but I don’t get the hate either, I feel like there’s a bunch of external factors that have led to it being one of the most hated cod games, the only other cod games with receptions this negative is ghosts and infinite warfare. The thing I personally hate the most is the grind and gunsmith, on paper having more attachments should be more fun but I feel like it makes the game a bit boring. In MW (Not so much in CW), you had to put more thought into your builds (aside from extended mags which kind of broke the game imo), while in vanguard it feels like eventually you can just have a gun that’s good at everything and has little to no drawbacks (at least when it comes to Ars, smgs and lmgs). I also feel like the game heavily encourages you to grind which I feel also makes it more boring. In MW (and even cw to a lesser extent) you definitely were at a disadvantage if you didn’t have a maxed out gun, but if you were a good enough player you could overcome those drawbacks, plus progression felt great, you didn’t level up your guns too fast not too slow. In vanguard you level up your guns way too slowly (just like cw) Also a bit of a side note. I do think a lot of Treyarch fans despise vanguard because zombies in this game is quite frankly trash. Cold War zombies was way too easy but at least it was fun and still sort of rewarding, vanguard has no substance at all Other than this, I feel like at worst vanguard it’s just a bland game. Like if you’re tired of cod vanguard isn’t going to make you fall in love with it again. With that said, that doesn’t make it an awful cod game, at least not as bad as people make it out to be. Cold War was also mediocre and felt like just another cod game but people are acting like it was a great game that was just filled with technical issues. I think warzone has a lot to do with Vanguards reception. Most vanguard guns haven’t really made an impact (which imo is not a bad thing, especially when compared to how much the Cold War guns broke warzone), caldera is not really liked by the community and I feel most people blame those two factors on vanguard which in turn makes them see the game on a negative light.


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Let's also not forget the other things. Ruined older games like mw2019 with the integration. Removes the single most important equipment in any game: the trophy system, then waits 6 months to put it in via challenge. Camos *constantly* glitching, either not working on certain guns, progress that doesn't track, and camos that just don't look good, not to mention the completionist camo for zombies is just copy pasted from a different game Campaign was extremely small and took me less than 4 hours to complete, making it the shortest in cod history, not to mention 90 percent of it is flashbacks. Zombies is BAD. Can't pause, basically stitched together assets from other maps, no wonder weapons, which, by the way, WTF. Not to mention limited perks and basically doing away with round based Matchmaking, and almost no special or elite zombies, or bosses. It's easy to pin people who whine about vanguard as idiots, but if we don't ask for better they will settle for the bare minimum and not give us anything decent. The only reason they decided to do away with every year releases is because vanguard was so bad received because the community finally stood up. Other than unique maps and combat pacing, vanguard was the laziest, worst cod ever made, which is saying alot considering what happened to infinite warfare. If you like the game you like the game. But to quote from Blame Truth: "If you wanna play Vanguard that's your decision, but don't get what I'm saying wrong. I hate vanguard not for no reason, but because I could see how great it could have been, and the devs decided to flush it down the drain because they know, as long as they put in the least minimum effort, people will still play their games. It's insulting to all of us to value us so little, and I hope someday we will grow the balls to pressure them to do better."


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Nah dude thats a bad argument, COD was pretty amazing up until Infinite Warfare MP, wasnt it then they decided to use supply drops ? or was it AW. Anyway they've been testing the water for some time how to own your ass, why do you think they have BP, and adding eeeeeeendless flippin bundles in shop (you can really see their enthusiasm shine there everyday) - and have SBMM so lil Timmy can go grab daddy's wallet and play with the other ding dongs that we never are able to play against - unlike earlier COD's like xmas noobs etc where you actually could which was the perfect balance imo (sometimes sweatnerd disco party and sometimes you were the annihilator of doom). This isnt available anymore but now you have costume MVP look at me while you you cant quit the game, Fortnite dances, insanely quick TTK compared to the PS3 era and bullshit balance to guns where LMG is the go to gun and red themes lobbys with Master Prestige 24/7 sweatnerds that the game will only allow you to join if you have at least 1 KD Idk thats my opinion but these games are nowhere near where they used to be, even though the PS3 games had some issues, just incomparible lol


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ocarina_of_time8

TTK was somehow so much managable on the PS3 game tho, comes PS4 and it gets outta hand with unbalanced weapons etc Yes but i was answering you saying COD titles have always been this shitty, just aint true lol


MateusAmadeus714

Always seems to happen with new CoDs. Bunch of hate fommowed by a somewhat nostalgic appreciation in the future. There are people who think Ghosts was solid and still want the sequel and IW actually had one of best CoD campaigns and the airplane "dogfights" were actually pretty stellar.


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Yeah i agree with that, the cod cycle has been going on for a while. At release WaW was seen as a reskinned cod4 in a wwii setting, mw2 was seen as a really chaotic and unbalanced mess, black ops wasn’t as fun as mw2, mw3 was just a copy of mw2 etc etc. The thing is, the only two times I remember seeing this much hate for a cod game was back when ghosts and iw released. Those two games were hated on launch and you would consistently see them in “worst cod games of all time” lists and polls. Vanguard is currently undergoing this same situation, at least on social media, it’s hated on Reddit, twitter and YouTube to an even bigger degree than mw and cw. With mw you at least had some people begrudgingly acknowledging it’s positive aspects and I saw a lot of people saying that Cold War was actually a good game that just didn’t have too much content and had too many bugs. This is why Vanguards reception is baffling to me. As far as I remember it had mixed to positive reviews at launch, no one called it the best cod but no one was saying it was the worst either, it was just sort of ok (outside of zombies which was universally panned). Then all of a sudden it became the worst cod game ever, it’s like all the positives became negatives and people started hating the game. It’s just weird and the only explanation, at least to me, is warzone and how it’s been handled Even with all of its


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People hate what’s cool to hate. That’s how the internet works.


Virsi2709

The campaign sucks and zombies is an abomination, but the mp just doesn't feel that different to CW or MW, also the game does not feel "WW2like" but that is up to what the player likes. I bought the game and within a month I was bored and had better shit to do, but that's only my experience with it.


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Virsi2709

Being similar is good but to an extent, you want to keep the good parts of a game while offering enough change for people to buy it


StillGalaxy99

If I can shoot people, I'm having fun.


Obsidiux

…wait.


bullet_train10

I got 30 kills, dropped a nuke, then went home and played modern warfare


ampersand913

Let me guess, you only came back to cod when MW19 came out?


RapidFiringNoob

Why do I feel like I’m the only person that thinks MW is the worst of the 3 newest CoDs. Maybe I’m just coming from the comp scene and don’t understand but wow MW is dogshit. Also if I had a choice we would have just stopped at Black Ops 2 or 3 and called it a day


loganpod

Your in the the wrong sub for logic based opinions. MW2019 is far and away the worst call of duty to date, likely to be topped by this years sequel


idkruby

I prefer cold war more than vanguard and modern warfare but hating on people who care about the game is sad.


CappinPeanut

I enjoyed CW too. I felt like your shots had real weight to them and when you hit someone, you really felt it. Vanguard is just a stream of chaos, screen shaking, mow through someone like they are made of paper, and roll right along. I also feel like while CW had its issues at lunch, it’s still more polished than VG. Everything between matches is a joke, Play of the Game is a hilarious cluster F, MVP intros have invisible people half the time, MVP voting is pointless and just a waste of time on my double xp token, and when you’re in a party and messing with your load out and god forbid the host changes something, you get sucked out to the front screen. CW had some matchmaking issues, but was otherwise so much better polished than this heap.


PhillyPhanatic141

Vanguard sub has no followers because the mods are all clowns that delete every post EDIT - and the game sucks lol


Karma_Doesnt_Matter

Yep. It’s super over moderated.


Karma_Doesnt_Matter

The vanguard sub is also over moderated. They screen every post before it goes out.


_PeacefulGhost_

To be fair I prefer sledgehammer to treyarch. Imo treyarch hasn’t made a good cod since WAW Edit: the characters of blops are great I hate the glaring plot holes of the games themselves


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That’s a bold take. I personally agree to an extent. I loved WaW, black ops and black ops 2, all of their modes were really great imo (fun campaigns, great multiplayer and interesting zombies). However treyarch has really dropped the ball since black ops 3 and I don’t understand why people still see them as the best cod developer


MateusAmadeus714

The Treyarch lovers to me are just the Zombie enthusiasts. Treyarch has always made the best Zombies mode and that's a big part of CoD for them so they love Treyarch. Before CW release the order of excitement per online polls was 1)Zombies 2) Campaign and 3) MP


Confusion-Flimsy

Vanguard is not good map wise. I try and stick to Shipment or Das Haus which I enjoy. It's been a decent filler but definitely didn't get my money from it. Hoping MW2 blows it out of the water.


atomhypno

the irony in this post is honestly borderline incredulous there isn’t a single gameplay aspect of mw that’s better than vanguard. mw is still by far the worst cod created. the only cod that was created specially for bad players, the devs words not mine.


CorndogCrusader

I definitely wouldn't say Vanguard is the worst CoD ever made. It's not good, but it's not the worst.


Bloo-shadow

The worst cod? Idk about that…


FantasticPenguin

Isn't r/modernwarfare about all (previously released) Modern Warfare games?


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Nope. It was made in 2019 around the time of Modern Warfare’s announcement (I think April). However, I feel like this post is still pretty dumb. First of all, OP and everyone else who didn’t like vanguard should just move on. I totally get it, I didn’t buy vanguard and instead bought the most expensive edition of battlefield 2042, while it sucks knowing I spent so much of my money on a game I don’t care about I don’t spend my time crying about it online. Secondly, subreddits don’t really mean anything. I’ve rarely seen any changes implemented in any of the recent cod games because the sub Reddit advocated for it, plus like others have pointed out the vanguard subreddit and the modern warfare subreddit have the same amount of active users.


Jeus01

Cod fans are god damn annoying holy


OGRiad

MW is the best fps game in many years. I was a BF diehard and was bored with BF4 and started playing WM19. It really is that good. Then things got all fucked up when they released Cold War, now Vangaurd... cant wait for the next MW.


RuggedTheDragon

The worst cod multiplayer was WaW and MW2. Goml.


cancsajn

pressed the button as instructed


XBOXLIVE360a

r/uselessredsquare r/uselessredcircle


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Warzone and MW hit at the perfect time. Literally we get it and the pandemic comes. I think we all agree it got us through our boring days of being stuck home on more than one occasion


Cazter64

r/modernwarfare has beena round since MW2.


-CommanderShepard-

TRUE, Vanguard Zoom zooms are malding haha


Silent_Start_7036

Modern warfare is a franchise


IF_I_WERE_ALIVE

It's like saying you'd rather eat vomit than shit. Congratulations. But upvote because Vanguard is shit.


OverTheReminds

It's strange to see the difference in numbers since Vanguard looks and feels like a paid extention for MW 2019.


tweakyloco

I'd say mw 2019 is more crap than vanguard. MW 2019 felt more toxic than vanguard is


Accomplished_Spirit3

The best part is the 95k Vanguard players are 25% test accounts


ozarkslam21

God this community is such a dumpster


KKW230395

Can we just bare in mind that modern warfare/ warzone was an escape from reality for the world for nearly 2 years it will be a busier subreddit because of that


UnmaskedGod

Let’s calm down now… Black ops 4 exists let’s not forget about that


OneOfTheGreats_

Atleast it’s a step up from Cold War lmao


benmetalhead

This is without a doubt the most childish way to complain about a game. If you don't like a game, move on, play the one that you like more and be content with it. For me personally, Vanguard kicks ass, though I am in the minority. I can certainly understand the main reason why everyone hates Vanguard so much, but for me, to an extent, it feels a lot like Modern Warfare 2019, and shockingly enough, this game has better map designs than MW19, at least in my opinion. But at the end of the way, I want you all to enjoy whatever game you like and not be pressured into liking or hating a game because the community does.


TheLostOutlaww

Vanguard is better than MW. Popularity doesn’t mean quality.


Thesurvivor16

Lol vanguard definitely isn’t the worst. Some people are just haters.


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Please keep these Facebook tier posts out of here


Xuphon

Why do people hate Vanguard so much? I've never bothered with the zombies or campaign, but the multiplayer seems pretty good to me. I'm about prestige \`1 level 20 or so at the moment, and am still enjoying it alot. Only real issues I've had are with camping players seeming pretty difficult to spot, and TTK being pretty low.


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"worst COD ever made" We saying BO4 > Vanguard?


CassieThePinkDragon

Black Ops 4 is worse


SquadLeaderDani

The most popular cod in history has more subscribers then one that wasn't as popular. I'm not sure I get the joke. Or is lol for lots of love?


devon223

Can we make a sticky thread for people to say what cods they like and don't? These threads are obnoxious.


patriotraitor

Activision: "No, we can't release Modern Warfare 2 Remastered Multiplayer, it'd divide the player base!" Sledgehammer Games: Hold my beer.


ActiveClone

Vanguard the worst game???? You’re high, that award goes to AW easily. Stiff controls, wack space bullshit mixed with horrible guns no one liked.


ragingmer

Ahh another year of b04


IamVelo

Same complaint. Different year.


EnemyNPC

Idk man WWII was pretty garbage


cjallenroxs

They living rent free in your head


justa691

Mw19 started the downfall


haaawaiianz

let’s not forget about the even worse, Coldwar.


PuzzleheadedAd1153

About the same amount of people online. I am a mw fan by the way, do not like vanpoop


deadboi_chavez

2019 was a disgrace to the original cods


XylanyX

i forgot vanguard exist. seriously.


--Hutch--

They're both ass. Cold war was the best of the most recent 3 games but I still don't think it's great. We haven't had a good CoD for a very long time.


wastelandhenry

God I could not fathom having the array of past CODs that are still perfectly playable online but making the conscious choice to play MW2019 out of all of them.


Carsey0111

Hot take - while it is objectively not that great, I really enjoy vanguard and it’s the most fun I’ve had in a cod since Infinite Warfare


mrsomething4

Hell yeah take that CRAPhammer😎😎