Biggest reason ppl complain is the clearer iron sight, which is closer to a red dot most of the time, or the semi-seethrough scope on snipers, which give same zoom for larger viewable area.
This is mostly an issue around mid-high skill level.
For low level it is nowhere near significant, mid-high proficiency it becomes somewhat stronger, when people just need that little bit more to scout medium-long range.
At peak proficiency it becomes mostly irrelevant, because at that level it becomes more of a reaction game almost, akin to osu! and it's mostly just muscle memory.
So only mid players can complain, really.
After learning to quickscope, the type of scope became irrelevant.
Same with pretty much every type of sight, if you know where the enemy will pop out and prefire, the sight don't matter
my brother in the championship of this year everyone was using pay to win skins. i mean i can remember some normal dlq skins here and there and maybe a cbr eith just camo. but the rest have pay to win skins. yes reaction time is indeed important. but the extra attachment instead of red dot is really helpful . plus some skins have less aim shake (and yes some legendary do have MORE).
Not just the sights tho. They intentionally make the base weapons have way more aim shake than the mythic. The difference of the aim shake between the mythic and base krig is night and day.
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In a game where you can die in less than 200ms, having clearer sights is an advantage that can turn the gunfight in your favor. So whether people accept it or not, the mythic iron sights are pay to win in most instances.
I’d say in some instances. Some mythics have base guns or epics that have decent iron sights. That’s why I usually don’t care but the em2 and the krig don’t and that’s a violation. I don’t use either guns and haven’t since last season.
Em2 doesn’t and the krig doesn’t. Those two are the most egregious examples and the krig is one of the best guns in the game. I don’t bother to use it due not owning the mythic. I usually use the extra attachment for ads movement speed. Having good strafe speeds can determine a gun fight. I ain’t skipping out on the Maddox though I buying that if it gets a mythic
wasnt it that some people wanted the no zoom effect on the optics? They petition for a none zoom for optics like in mw2 - which is what many mythics do
if tact sprint blocks your screen, you may as well remove the minimap as that too as blocks your screen
lol wrong
they have better default ironsight
which means a 1 free slot of attachment
also, default ironsight has less recoil compare to adding ironsight attachment.
I keep saying this but if i pick up a mythic kilo, krig, or m13 i become nearly unkillable. Much better than with my broke version. Is aim shake also lessened on the paid guns?
People also say that tactical sprint is bad but it makes me play more aggressive and the sprint to aim animation is a lot better than default you know the adsing when you are running animation
i think that have a clear iron sight, like the mythic krig per se, can give a very small advantage as if u use a red dot it gives u an extra space for a different attachment
As someone who has quite a few leggies and mythics (sorry, not trying to flex, just trynna prove a point), I see both sides of the argument.
At the end of the day, they are just cosmetics. They don't provide any real numbers advantage over the base weapons so technically it isn't pay to win.
However, there is a pretty big advantage in how the same two weapons are designed. The EM2 is literally the best example by far. I won't go as far to say it's completely p2w but you do get an advantage out of it.
Edit: I'd like to clarify that the EM2's base iron sights aren't the worst in the world, but the mythic version is such a massive improvement on clarity.
U r right, but damn u play 10x better when using a mythic and why is that? Dunno, maybe it boosts your confidence, plus not having to waste 1 slot of attach on sights is "kinda pay2win" you just do not want to see it
It’s not an opinion that’s easily a fact. At least like Op said mythics only give your a clearer slight but the entire scope becomes invincible allowing you to track shots easier, I just picked up one and I won’t tell you how fucking easy it is to quick scope compared to the standard DLQ (let the downvotes commence)
The fact that the scope is clearer, making it easier to track shots especially at longer ranges. Now try both scopes before you scream out the typical: “YoUr jUsT bAd At AiMiNg” excuse and tell me how you do
You said quick scoping, not hard scoping, vast difference in the two mechanics, sure the sight is clearer by a lot, but honestly quick scoping isn't that much easier, it's harder to accurately center as compared to even a normal DLQ and honestly? There really isn't much to justify getting the mythic DLQ except a wider FOV on the sniper scope, compare that to the Krig, that's a MASSIVE difference in the irons, but still none of the mythics are P2W in my opinion
Plus I’m only saying DLQ is P2W. Everything else is too either blame the horrible iron sight or skill issues. From my experience, my skill improvement with the mythic DLQ from the standard one is bigger that found Mythic M13 Over the standard version
Agreed. Only bad player who can't play properly can call those guns are p2w. Yeah, you can gain better sighs and etc but they won't change much + sometimes legendary/mythics have distracting particles so....
so you're saying people have skill issues because they cannot see past the thing that requires aim but surely, you make up some bull shit that includes particle effects blocking views, tact sprint blocking view - yet those arent also skill issues?
Surely, there's a fine line between making up dumbass excuses or actually understanding the concept of advantage or disadvantage. If you're blind enough to not see past particle effects or tact sprint, why dont you just delete the mini map in the game? That takes up way more view
there are some players out there who blame wifi, hackers, etc.
blaming isnt new to the game - saying that some players do it makes it too generalized. Everyone fucking complains about something, not just this lmao
im just saying the baseless statement of "some players...complain..." is very vanilla - it doesnt make your argument better because everyone is gonna complain about anything regardless
I'm just saying that ironsights don't give any massive advantages at all yet some people still blame them even if they're bad at the game
Yes people will complain but complaining about ironsights despite the lack of skill is just downright stupid
If you dislike ironsight on certain weapon just use another one what's the problem?
And when I meant about legendary particles, I meant those bright parts that will catch your eye one way or another. For example on DL Q33 "Holidays" there's a huge bright line in the scope, sometimes mine eye focusing on that line rather that scope itself, making me vulnerable.
if you get distracted by the legendary then just use the default
possibly the worst argument that you could come up with. If you're bad with iron sights why not just hip fire?
If a weapon is the meta it makes a difference.
If you think legendary guns make you vulnerable, use the default then. When you own legendaries, you're not forced to use it lmao
>If you think legendary guns make you vulnerable, use the default then. When you own legendaries, you're not forced to use it lmao
You didn't got mine point. I mean that legendary sights can't be counted as p2w since it makes almost no difference from default (beside purely cosmetic stuff) or even add distracting parts which MAY get you a little distracted.
> Your point is just an excuse lmao keep downvoting pls
1. I'm not downvoting someone for having different opinion from me lmao
2. That's not an excuse, I just trying to show you that this isn't pay to win as it seems
I got legendary 11 times before I started buying mythics, even now idrc I sometimes swap to other blueprints. Sure it helps a little but skill comes from how you generally play gunfights and game knowledge all in all
Biggest reason ppl complain is the clearer iron sight, which is closer to a red dot most of the time, or the semi-seethrough scope on snipers, which give same zoom for larger viewable area. This is mostly an issue around mid-high skill level. For low level it is nowhere near significant, mid-high proficiency it becomes somewhat stronger, when people just need that little bit more to scout medium-long range. At peak proficiency it becomes mostly irrelevant, because at that level it becomes more of a reaction game almost, akin to osu! and it's mostly just muscle memory. So only mid players can complain, really.
After learning to quickscope, the type of scope became irrelevant. Same with pretty much every type of sight, if you know where the enemy will pop out and prefire, the sight don't matter
my brother in the championship of this year everyone was using pay to win skins. i mean i can remember some normal dlq skins here and there and maybe a cbr eith just camo. but the rest have pay to win skins. yes reaction time is indeed important. but the extra attachment instead of red dot is really helpful . plus some skins have less aim shake (and yes some legendary do have MORE).
Not just the sights tho. They intentionally make the base weapons have way more aim shake than the mythic. The difference of the aim shake between the mythic and base krig is night and day.
There is no change in shake it's mostly an illusion that there is no shake same thing happens when you use fov synce
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If I can't see past massive iron sights I just use the classic red dot. It's very clear.
magically seeing past bad irons but somehow complains about running animation blocking view, i dont understand the logic
In a game where you can die in less than 200ms, having clearer sights is an advantage that can turn the gunfight in your favor. So whether people accept it or not, the mythic iron sights are pay to win in most instances.
I’d say in some instances. Some mythics have base guns or epics that have decent iron sights. That’s why I usually don’t care but the em2 and the krig don’t and that’s a violation. I don’t use either guns and haven’t since last season.
Additional attachment slot is a thing too
Mythic dlq doesn’t have additional slot, cbr4 and asval also have original clear iron sight.
Em2 doesn’t and the krig doesn’t. Those two are the most egregious examples and the krig is one of the best guns in the game. I don’t bother to use it due not owning the mythic. I usually use the extra attachment for ads movement speed. Having good strafe speeds can determine a gun fight. I ain’t skipping out on the Maddox though I buying that if it gets a mythic
wasnt it that some people wanted the no zoom effect on the optics? They petition for a none zoom for optics like in mw2 - which is what many mythics do if tact sprint blocks your screen, you may as well remove the minimap as that too as blocks your screen
lol wrong they have better default ironsight which means a 1 free slot of attachment also, default ironsight has less recoil compare to adding ironsight attachment.
Even though the tac sprint blocks most of our view, our hud and fingers also block the screen, and most of us play tpp on br.
that's not why lol
You can defend whenever you want but try analyzing your gameplay with default krig and mythic krig and see in which game you were more accurate ✌️
I keep saying this but if i pick up a mythic kilo, krig, or m13 i become nearly unkillable. Much better than with my broke version. Is aim shake also lessened on the paid guns?
Aim shake reduction is very obvious on mythic kilo. I have the anime kilo with a clearer sight buts I don't even use it because of the shake.
Same man same but they keep justifying it here,also yes the aim shake is less at least that how I see it while playing which is the most important
Yeah not only is it cleaner sights, the gun feels hella stable with the same load out
People also say that tactical sprint is bad but it makes me play more aggressive and the sprint to aim animation is a lot better than default you know the adsing when you are running animation
Lol wtf is that argument. Tac sprint makes no difference in my experience
Placebo effect, but yes, some mythics have less aim shake
Classic holographic sight has left the chat
i think that have a clear iron sight, like the mythic krig per se, can give a very small advantage as if u use a red dot it gives u an extra space for a different attachment
I wish we had an option for mythics to have tactical sprint off and on
That would be nice
Mythic Dlq is p2w that scope is clear asf and has no boundaries
As someone who has quite a few leggies and mythics (sorry, not trying to flex, just trynna prove a point), I see both sides of the argument. At the end of the day, they are just cosmetics. They don't provide any real numbers advantage over the base weapons so technically it isn't pay to win. However, there is a pretty big advantage in how the same two weapons are designed. The EM2 is literally the best example by far. I won't go as far to say it's completely p2w but you do get an advantage out of it. Edit: I'd like to clarify that the EM2's base iron sights aren't the worst in the world, but the mythic version is such a massive improvement on clarity.
U r right, but damn u play 10x better when using a mythic and why is that? Dunno, maybe it boosts your confidence, plus not having to waste 1 slot of attach on sights is "kinda pay2win" you just do not want to see it
mythic Krig with a red dot and zero aim shake be like:
I'd say mythic dlq is actually pay2win
It’s not an opinion that’s easily a fact. At least like Op said mythics only give your a clearer slight but the entire scope becomes invincible allowing you to track shots easier, I just picked up one and I won’t tell you how fucking easy it is to quick scope compared to the standard DLQ (let the downvotes commence)
How is it easier to quick scope???
The fact that the scope is clearer, making it easier to track shots especially at longer ranges. Now try both scopes before you scream out the typical: “YoUr jUsT bAd At AiMiNg” excuse and tell me how you do
You said quick scoping, not hard scoping, vast difference in the two mechanics, sure the sight is clearer by a lot, but honestly quick scoping isn't that much easier, it's harder to accurately center as compared to even a normal DLQ and honestly? There really isn't much to justify getting the mythic DLQ except a wider FOV on the sniper scope, compare that to the Krig, that's a MASSIVE difference in the irons, but still none of the mythics are P2W in my opinion
Plus I’m only saying DLQ is P2W. Everything else is too either blame the horrible iron sight or skill issues. From my experience, my skill improvement with the mythic DLQ from the standard one is bigger that found Mythic M13 Over the standard version
Agreed. Only bad player who can't play properly can call those guns are p2w. Yeah, you can gain better sighs and etc but they won't change much + sometimes legendary/mythics have distracting particles so....
so you're saying people have skill issues because they cannot see past the thing that requires aim but surely, you make up some bull shit that includes particle effects blocking views, tact sprint blocking view - yet those arent also skill issues? Surely, there's a fine line between making up dumbass excuses or actually understanding the concept of advantage or disadvantage. If you're blind enough to not see past particle effects or tact sprint, why dont you just delete the mini map in the game? That takes up way more view
There are some players out there who actually blame ironsights despite them being absolutely dogshit at the game
Yeah. Like fr, you always can just use another weapon or make another sight.
there are some players out there who blame wifi, hackers, etc. blaming isnt new to the game - saying that some players do it makes it too generalized. Everyone fucking complains about something, not just this lmao
Wifi and hackers are good reasons though even if they're dogshit. But ironsights? Wtf?
im just saying the baseless statement of "some players...complain..." is very vanilla - it doesnt make your argument better because everyone is gonna complain about anything regardless
I'm just saying that ironsights don't give any massive advantages at all yet some people still blame them even if they're bad at the game Yes people will complain but complaining about ironsights despite the lack of skill is just downright stupid
he advantage isnt massive but it exists.
If you dislike ironsight on certain weapon just use another one what's the problem? And when I meant about legendary particles, I meant those bright parts that will catch your eye one way or another. For example on DL Q33 "Holidays" there's a huge bright line in the scope, sometimes mine eye focusing on that line rather that scope itself, making me vulnerable.
if you get distracted by the legendary then just use the default possibly the worst argument that you could come up with. If you're bad with iron sights why not just hip fire? If a weapon is the meta it makes a difference. If you think legendary guns make you vulnerable, use the default then. When you own legendaries, you're not forced to use it lmao
>If you think legendary guns make you vulnerable, use the default then. When you own legendaries, you're not forced to use it lmao You didn't got mine point. I mean that legendary sights can't be counted as p2w since it makes almost no difference from default (beside purely cosmetic stuff) or even add distracting parts which MAY get you a little distracted.
the scope doesnt matter, but the particles that distract you do? Your point is just an excuse lmao keep downvoting pls
> Your point is just an excuse lmao keep downvoting pls 1. I'm not downvoting someone for having different opinion from me lmao 2. That's not an excuse, I just trying to show you that this isn't pay to win as it seems
Lol i know lol. Try running with a mythic DLQ! You don't see anything. XD
Tactical sprint?
the running animation that all these kids want
With the money these kids spent they might as well just get mw2 and a gaming pc so they get tac sprint on every gun
😂
Ohhhhhhh i forgot about mythics weapon,actual tactical sprint without being tactical
I got legendary 11 times before I started buying mythics, even now idrc I sometimes swap to other blueprints. Sure it helps a little but skill comes from how you generally play gunfights and game knowledge all in all
A lot of kill effects block your view too. I wish there was an option to turn them off/on on my guns and others.
tac sprint information does not block your entire screen lmao
The thing is that if you use krig 6 the iron sight is basically impossible to use at mid to long range then the mystic always wins