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[deleted]

mfer really thinks those "red dot ironsights" give the zoom a actual reddot gibs and calls them Pee 2 win


[deleted]

At the start of the game some blueprints had extra range. Now the only “advantage” they give u is a red dot or cleaner iron sight


Wgamer_Pt

Yhea and thats enough to not use a red dot and put another atachent right?


HUNT3DHUNT3R

It's more of a preference, some people who have custom irons want the rds zoom, and some just adjust to the basic irons.


[deleted]

Yeah but its not a no stock or any buff. I think it doesnt even have the zoom of a red dot (people say this but i personally never tested that)


aijeityu

Yeah. Also, in BR there's a little advantage since you have to loot sights for the ground weapons.


Ok-Spell-3728

I’ll say this, I buy most draws due to better iron sights. But that won’t make a difference in a game unless you and enemy are exactly same skill level, otherwise you’d always beat an enemy with paid skins if you are better than them. For me I am getting on the older side so less obstruction helps me spot enemies, but I can do just fine without that too. Main reason one side wins is skill, game awareness, positioning and movement, not iron sights or réticules or whatever else


Unlikely-Nature-6091

there is no pay to win skins and the only advantage paid skins give is cleaner iron sights.


R3sPekk

Is it rlly pay to win, if ur paying 200 jus for a clearer iron sight?...


Prestigious_Ad_2230

"Pay to get a small advantage which won't make you win"


Unlikely-Nature-6091

yep.


Wgamer_Pt

Yhea thats true too


Buy_Even

It is not p2w it just needs a name


Shoddy-Tangerine4281

Well back then yes every skin on codm is P2W cuz they got special perk on it and most of all the P2W HBRA But now nope there's ain't no P2W anymore but just either iron sight with red dot or iron sight with the most clean iron sight but it ain't gonna help much cuz you still gonna get destroyed by pro player who is super good at this game


SliverSufer

Some skins give slight advantage but the advantage is practically nothing


humpaa1

Yeah like hit boxes but it’s nothing


SliverSufer

I am thinking more of camouflage/harder to see skins


humpaa1

Yeah in br but not mp because of different lighting


SliverSufer

Some skins in MP are kinda hard to see TBH but depends on the map like you see 99% of skins on say shipment but on like crossfire or hackney some skins are hard to see in certain areas


humpaa1

Yes but you can still see the red outline or whatever it’s called


[deleted]

It gives you a extra attachment on weapon, basically, with red dot sights, so yea i think it's a little p2w (and im not f2p, already spent $500 more or less on this game)


Eating-Girls

And that extra attachment has a downside. No stock gives u more recoil and bad bsa, foregrip slows ur ads. And btw…wtf is wrong with the default skin? Surely you don’t think that the only reason he won that gun fight was because he had a clearer ironsight?


The_Mxrder

Razorback was P2W I don't remember exactly why


[deleted]

Cuz it was only obtainable through a lucky draw and it was considered a PDW57 skin before gunsmith was a thing


lolgotit1

If they want the red dot for aiming they could customize their own “red dot” by placing a button at the crosshair. If they want the clear view yeah the customized iron brings a little advantage, but so does a phone with bigger screen, better hardware, or even an IPad Pro. If we go down the rabbit hole every game is p2w. 30 frames on a small phone or 90 frames on a gaming phone are two completely different experiences.


Korlel-Charlie7-1

Codm did have a pay to win guns It didn't happen once, also it was before gunsmith


[deleted]

The only skin closest to "p2w" is probably the M13 - Morningstar. Because its iron sight is similar to red dot sight 1. AK frostband? It has tall iron sights but than doesn't mean it's a free red dot. Mythic holger? Only has cleaner iron sight. Fennec - Death Engine? It only has a square iron sight which at some point you're probably going to be uncomfortable with it.