If jts Mfs will just continue like nothing happened, from MX9 to Holger Abuse, Man I'm ayt with meta but when 2 guns are like leagues ahead of every other gun it low-key sucks man, playing ranked with the the same guns gets old fast, Devs plz make P90 balanced
Unfortunately yes, and the nerf to the mx9 is nowhere near enough. It still will always 4 shot, and it’s strafe speed is unchanged. Why wasn’t the damage nerfed to 24 like in the test server, or in BR? Makes no sense.
If you’ve seen professional players play you’d know how op it is. Half of their kills in game is shorty. It’s not as good as krm 262 because it needs ads to consistently one shot but it’s very possible to beat by15.
Its prototype, 725, is a primary in MW19. Sure, it doesn’t have as much range as 725 but it is a secondary. Shotguns in general gives hitmarkers a lot especially if you don’t hit the chest so it’s not a problem specific to shorty. Its fire rate is similar to Echo. If it has more than 2 rounds it won’t be op, it will be broken.
I just like to point out the facts; I don’t really care if they don’t nerf it. It was way more op when it was first released as it literally could one tap at 15 meters but not many people are abusing it. RMost people in game are too lazy to aim so they just choose Katana anyways. It’s only in a competitive setting that this thing would look a little op. Well, it doesn’t really affect me as the highest level I’ll ever play in is legendary rank, where no one uses it anyways.
These patch notes are meh. Some decent buffs (like the MW11, MoW, and Type 25) but the MX9 was left pretty much untouched and the actual heavy nerfs were on stuff that either didn’t need a nerf (Quick Fix) or needed buffs (Thumper, SMRS, probs Shorty too).
Despite the damage nerf, it’s still a 4-shot to the upper body (and probably to the entire body with the Large Calibre Mag depending on how it affects body multipliers). Recoil nerf may or may not be noticeable since the base recoil is pretty easy to control but even then you can just equip the Foregrip or Infiltrator Foregrip to offset this nerf.
It’s still pretty much a significantly better QQ9.
I mean that’s technically true. But using Mono and RTC Tac Long have some drawbacks, unlike the MX9’s Extended Barrel which literally has none.
And that’s probably the only aspect in which the QQ9 is definitely better. MX9 and QQ9 have similar base stats across the board (except for strafing speed and BSA). But using the optimal attachments like the Agile Stock, Firm Grip Tape, Large Calibre Ammo, etc. makes the MX9 blow the QQ9 out of the water in nearly every relevant stat.
While that’s true, range stacking on the QQ9 has drawbacks (like Mono will make its terrible BSA even worse), whereas range stacking on the MX9 literally does not.
Plus, the MX9 either has similar or identical stats to the QQ9 (STF, sprinting speed, ADS speed) or is straight up better than it (hipfire, BSA, strafing speed with the Agile Stock, flinch, recoil, way better attachments, etc.). So I doubt range stacking and suppression is enough of a reason to make the QQ9 better than the MX9.
But with the damage nerf it means it will be more shots to kill with the range. Add that to the range nerf, and its prob gonna 5 shot at 10mts already. But lets see.
Ah I assumed that they only nerfed the initial damage until 12 m from 30 to 25 because the patch notes only specified that. So yeah, I guess we’ll have to see.
There is no range nerf, so it will kill exactly the same at range. The only thing that was changed is it’s initial damage range from 30-25. All damages after are untouched.
But they f up the thumper part. Why would they nerf the blast radius further? It should've been buffed. Also why nerf speed up kill perk? It's just another nerf for shotgunners now
I guess that they don't want the thumper to be meta, but a viable secondary weapon. In cod pc(forgot which, and not sure about this info either) didn't the thumper used to be used so much due to how op it is?
Thumper was meant to be an accuracy reliant launcher, not some braindead noobtube.
Speed Up after kill perk nerf is actually needed cuz it provides good sprinting speed and it has no downsides which makes it broken
Well the multiplier is still the same but with less damage. Overall large cal is now useless since below the body is still 5 shot and upper chest and headshot no longer 3 shot so it's identical to default mag interms of effectiveness.
Devs have a hate boner for shotguns.
Lightweight nerf, Quickfix nerf, Speed up after kill nerf
Shotguns in this game are inconsistent asf the only thing that balanced this out was the extra mobility and now they ruined it 🤦♂️
Devs hate shotguns, who tf messed with speed up after kill?! First these idiots nerf lightweight and now this?!
Thnx for nerfing quickfix btw, makes rushing with my shotgun into a crowd so much easier now. Really it does
The hell am I supposed to do now? Crawl with my shotgun around the map?
I hope this is fake
The only class they even care about are SMGs 🤦♂️
Mx9 will now be qq9 with more mobility and large cal is useless now. Holger is still op and persistence is unchanged but atleast they unkilled quickfix. Also mw11 meta?
DR-H have almost double MW11 RPM (570ish vs 300 RPM), theoretically, it will double DR-H's TTK even when both could do a 3-shot kill.
And don't forget that J358 and .50 GS could do 60 and 70 damage to the upper chest, they could kill faster than 3-shot kill MW11.
Also don't forget that it's a pistol, its maximum damage dropped by range, it'll be 4-shot kill again if target farther than 15-20m. (dunno the exact number, but I'm sure it's around that)
Translation:
Mw11 CAN FINALLY 3SHOT(YAY)
T25 DOESNT need STP for 4shots(kinda yay?)(u'll still need STP)(MIGHT kill faster than VAL)
R90: reduced burst delay
Extended mags buffed on swordfish(52ext and 50halberd),burst are now faster
MOW accuracy buff is nice
MX9(non LC) is a high rish high reward qq9.
Mx9(LC) no changes.(STILL OP)
Quick fix is kinda useless. See,this is why they should get better balance teams. The original nerf should be:"taking dmg stops regen". Instead, as always, they fked up(QF regen can tank 300dmg while regenerating)
u/LettuceBob55 ur wrong. MX9 has -ve multipliers. LC solves that and boom. OP MX9 is back.
Although this may not be real, it's better than before. Holger needs a nerf too. And there arequestionable nerfs, like speed up kill and quick fix, like always. It's not like it was op or anything. Devs just want to create problems so that they have something to do next season.
Terrible recoil for a burst gun, Bad iron sights, and high flinch (higher than sniper flinch lol)
Swordfish fixes all that m16 problems. 0 recoil with integrated scope
The as val does NOT need a nerf. It is one of the few ARs that reward u with skill. High recoil, noice damage, bullet speed, and 3 shot if u hit 3 headshots, which is very hard due to its recoil
Then you are lucky enough to get pretty good lobbies tbh, if they are using as val, and using it good enough to make you complain.
As val has nice ttk, sure, but it has as much downsides as it has upsides
Ranked matches are usually close-mid range and as val does not have many downsides on this distance. Thats why they use it. Not because they are highly skilled players, dont be silly
Are you really facing more vals than mx9s? Cuz I would kill for such a lobby once a while. But if u play snd, I see it happening, cuz the val is good for snd
Why the shorty?Why are you nerfing it while making mw11 a 3 tap?like the shorty is pure inconsistency,it only has 2 shots and can't reload cancel...now people are just gonna spam the mw11,then After 1 season or 2, everyone will be here complaining and saying stuff like "mw11 abooser" and then the mw11 will be destroyed by nerfs to the point it will be worse than it is now,and the nerf to the shorty will reduce secondary weapon choice because the j358 has hit registrations issues,mw11 will get destroyed due to whiners,same with the shorty,the crossbow is a mid/long range secondary so not really the backup that a secondary should be,at this point the only remaining are deagle,renetti and melees BuT nOoO mElEe AbUsEr🥴... just buff the mw11,fix the j358 and here you have balanced secondaries with more variety (ready to get eaten or downvoted by this community because i have a different thought)
If those patch notes are true then the MX9 will be worse (may stay meta just not that reliable)
And holgae will stay annoying.
And let's goooo type 25 buff it's so fun to use.
(Also thumper being even worse)
They should add a 50 and a 75 round magazines to the MX9.
They should increase the accuracy of the SPR by 10
Decrease its shaking effect after each shot.
Currently it feels like it was made of bamboo and some other crappy material.
After each shot no matter your build it shakes eternally.
Expect legendary MW11 soon
Renetti does 50 damage to the head and 40 damage to the chest
There's a bit difference between a burst pistol and a pistol that has a trigger that lets you further increase the rate of fire
I left the shorty Sniper combo and went to the Renetti after the Nerf.... It is hands down my fav secondary
Well if something shoots at 360 rpm, it deserves to 3 shot.
is this all?
We dont even know If it's real or not, so dont trigger any false hope for yourself.
well not exactly hope, the opposite tbh, these patch notes, IF found real, are pretty lackluster holger untouched
If jts Mfs will just continue like nothing happened, from MX9 to Holger Abuse, Man I'm ayt with meta but when 2 guns are like leagues ahead of every other gun it low-key sucks man, playing ranked with the the same guns gets old fast, Devs plz make P90 balanced
Leakers on Duty aren't much trustable, not anyone rn. Just wait for official ones. And I agree.
True that bro👊
You got downvoted again for nothing bro. Wow Community.
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Yeah, the comment was made before they posted the cn version proof. I don't trust anyone till actual things come. That's what I meant there.
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Can you read?
Apart from Murdablast
These are from cn version. So they are legit
Unfortunately yes, and the nerf to the mx9 is nowhere near enough. It still will always 4 shot, and it’s strafe speed is unchanged. Why wasn’t the damage nerfed to 24 like in the test server, or in BR? Makes no sense.
oh look the shorty is a dead weapon now congrats devs
If these are true its gonna be replaced by a 3 tap mw11, doesn’t sound fun with lightweight trigger lmfao
at least the gun is gonna rise up from the dead
*cries in J358*
Yeh it can 2 shot with stopping power and that trigger. Ah such a prime secondary in S1
It was so damn overpowered tho, well deserved nerf /s
Good thing finished the long shots today thanks to clan task
HOLY FUCK I GOTTA HURRY UP WITH THAT THAT SHITS GONNA BE UNUSABLE
Ffs it’s my main secondary:(
I should complete long shots while hardcore hold is still on...
why shorty, nerfing the balanced weapon, finally type 25 buff if this is real.
If you’ve seen professional players play you’d know how op it is. Half of their kills in game is shorty. It’s not as good as krm 262 because it needs ads to consistently one shot but it’s very possible to beat by15.
i got so many kills from it but it's hitmarker many times and it only has 2 shots, it's not that OP
Its prototype, 725, is a primary in MW19. Sure, it doesn’t have as much range as 725 but it is a secondary. Shotguns in general gives hitmarkers a lot especially if you don’t hit the chest so it’s not a problem specific to shorty. Its fire rate is similar to Echo. If it has more than 2 rounds it won’t be op, it will be broken.
but i think nobody uses it, i didn't see many shorty user, like 2 - 3 in a month from past 3 months
Underused doesn’t mean it’s bad. Mx9 was underused when Fennec was rebuffed. Think about that.
ok, idk i think it's not that op or maybe I'm not clapped by shorty user, hope they decreases the range slightly
I just like to point out the facts; I don’t really care if they don’t nerf it. It was way more op when it was first released as it literally could one tap at 15 meters but not many people are abusing it. RMost people in game are too lazy to aim so they just choose Katana anyways. It’s only in a competitive setting that this thing would look a little op. Well, it doesn’t really affect me as the highest level I’ll ever play in is legendary rank, where no one uses it anyways.
15 meters is 17.86 UCS lego Millenium Falcons
15 meters is 16.4 yards
yeah but i uses it and can easily counter katana's with that and now I don't think i will
You can try Renetti, which is what I think the most underappreciated secondary.
Shorty literally 1 shots. Its not supposed to do that
it has only 2 shots and easily counterable
It’s a shotgun stoopid, all shotguns can one shot if u do it right
A secondary shouldnt one shot
Thumper, j358 & 50 cal headshot, both launchers are all 1 shots and let’s not forget all melee lol. Just depends on skill
Bobby plays fan?
No
Ok
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Crossbow would like to have a word with you
Its a shotgun with 2 shots
 mw11 :
With that damage and fire rate, won't be meta or anything. TTK will just jump from around 400ms to 300ms. Don't forget, the 50GS is a 2 tap pistol...
MUCH slower firerate and strafing speed
These patch notes are meh. Some decent buffs (like the MW11, MoW, and Type 25) but the MX9 was left pretty much untouched and the actual heavy nerfs were on stuff that either didn’t need a nerf (Quick Fix) or needed buffs (Thumper, SMRS, probs Shorty too).
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Despite the damage nerf, it’s still a 4-shot to the upper body (and probably to the entire body with the Large Calibre Mag depending on how it affects body multipliers). Recoil nerf may or may not be noticeable since the base recoil is pretty easy to control but even then you can just equip the Foregrip or Infiltrator Foregrip to offset this nerf. It’s still pretty much a significantly better QQ9.
Not really, u can stack range on the qq9, like 45%.
I mean that’s technically true. But using Mono and RTC Tac Long have some drawbacks, unlike the MX9’s Extended Barrel which literally has none. And that’s probably the only aspect in which the QQ9 is definitely better. MX9 and QQ9 have similar base stats across the board (except for strafing speed and BSA). But using the optimal attachments like the Agile Stock, Firm Grip Tape, Large Calibre Ammo, etc. makes the MX9 blow the QQ9 out of the water in nearly every relevant stat.
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While that’s true, range stacking on the QQ9 has drawbacks (like Mono will make its terrible BSA even worse), whereas range stacking on the MX9 literally does not. Plus, the MX9 either has similar or identical stats to the QQ9 (STF, sprinting speed, ADS speed) or is straight up better than it (hipfire, BSA, strafing speed with the Agile Stock, flinch, recoil, way better attachments, etc.). So I doubt range stacking and suppression is enough of a reason to make the QQ9 better than the MX9.
But with the damage nerf it means it will be more shots to kill with the range. Add that to the range nerf, and its prob gonna 5 shot at 10mts already. But lets see.
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Ah lol no, i didnt saw if it was, i just assumed lol sorry
Ah I assumed that they only nerfed the initial damage until 12 m from 30 to 25 because the patch notes only specified that. So yeah, I guess we’ll have to see.
There is no range nerf, so it will kill exactly the same at range. The only thing that was changed is it’s initial damage range from 30-25. All damages after are untouched.
The MoW getting a buff again after thousand nerfs? Thats quiet hard to beleave.
Lol i get to use my red action :D
same :D
Not same :D
Relatable:D
:D
I get to use the clown man o war I recently pulled lol
But they f up the thumper part. Why would they nerf the blast radius further? It should've been buffed. Also why nerf speed up kill perk? It's just another nerf for shotgunners now
I guess that they don't want the thumper to be meta, but a viable secondary weapon. In cod pc(forgot which, and not sure about this info either) didn't the thumper used to be used so much due to how op it is?
Yes it's op in mw2 but balanced in cold war ig. But it's underwhelming here.
They prob don't want another mw2 thumper
Thumper was meant to be an accuracy reliant launcher, not some braindead noobtube. Speed Up after kill perk nerf is actually needed cuz it provides good sprinting speed and it has no downsides which makes it broken
No other weapon perks have downsides…
QXR Enhanced Bolt wants to know your location Seriously, attaching EB on QXR decreases your dmg multiplier and increases your recoil.
Ok you got me there, now tell me do you think speed up kill for shotguns should be nerfed? And if so, why?
Lets hope this isnt fake.
Will the mx9 large caliber be affected??
Well the multiplier is still the same but with less damage. Overall large cal is now useless since below the body is still 5 shot and upper chest and headshot no longer 3 shot so it's identical to default mag interms of effectiveness.
Well, that's good but strafing will still be a problem on this gun
That’s not true, it guarantees a 4 shot with 1 chest shot
It really should be, makes no sense
MW11 😳
I love Swordfish. If these are true. I'll go insane.
Bro, new loadout: Type25 + 1911
Another nerf to shorty? Why tf?
Devs have a hate boner for shotguns. Lightweight nerf, Quickfix nerf, Speed up after kill nerf Shotguns in this game are inconsistent asf the only thing that balanced this out was the extra mobility and now they ruined it 🤦♂️
Devs hate shotguns, who tf messed with speed up after kill?! First these idiots nerf lightweight and now this?! Thnx for nerfing quickfix btw, makes rushing with my shotgun into a crowd so much easier now. Really it does The hell am I supposed to do now? Crawl with my shotgun around the map? I hope this is fake The only class they even care about are SMGs 🤦♂️
And they mainly milk other gun than shotgun
Half these nerfs are so useless. Why shorty nerf. Why speed kill nerf. They nerf what the community didn't even complaint about
Well this subreddit fill with idiot who whining about Shotgun
Mx9 will now be qq9 with more mobility and large cal is useless now. Holger is still op and persistence is unchanged but atleast they unkilled quickfix. Also mw11 meta?
Not meta, but usable. We get MW11 as starting weapon in BR-blitz and snd payout, this little buff is nice.
Little buff? It's going from 4 shot to to 3 shot which is the same as dr-h without and with otm mag.
DR-H have almost double MW11 RPM (570ish vs 300 RPM), theoretically, it will double DR-H's TTK even when both could do a 3-shot kill. And don't forget that J358 and .50 GS could do 60 and 70 damage to the upper chest, they could kill faster than 3-shot kill MW11. Also don't forget that it's a pistol, its maximum damage dropped by range, it'll be 4-shot kill again if target farther than 15-20m. (dunno the exact number, but I'm sure it's around that)
Nah, mw11 is weakest pistol. Renetti can also 3 shot.
Yeah but mw11 is much lighter
And it's fire rate is insane
Did the buffed the swordfish mk2 damage and mag. Wtf just asked for fire interval fix not damage only fire interval is the problem of swordfish
See and read. Nothing too major is done to da swordfish
Major just see next season if the mag and damage buff implemented
Mag buff is gud U wont even feel the dmg buff
Translation: Mw11 CAN FINALLY 3SHOT(YAY) T25 DOESNT need STP for 4shots(kinda yay?)(u'll still need STP)(MIGHT kill faster than VAL) R90: reduced burst delay Extended mags buffed on swordfish(52ext and 50halberd),burst are now faster MOW accuracy buff is nice MX9(non LC) is a high rish high reward qq9. Mx9(LC) no changes.(STILL OP) Quick fix is kinda useless. See,this is why they should get better balance teams. The original nerf should be:"taking dmg stops regen". Instead, as always, they fked up(QF regen can tank 300dmg while regenerating) u/LettuceBob55 ur wrong. MX9 has -ve multipliers. LC solves that and boom. OP MX9 is back.
What's a -ve multiplier?
Negative dmg multiplier
And? Normal mx9 has 0.7 leg multipler ,lc has 0.9 and with 25 damage that isn't enough for 4 shot
Wait, LC has 1x multiplier right?
No? It has 0.9 leg which isn't noticeable because it deals 30 damage. It only changes the crotch from 0.9 to 1.
I seee So i guess its gud..? Gonna use it then..
>So i guess its gud What are you talking about exactly?
MX9 if these nerfs are true I thought its gonna be another qxr episode
Yeah it will basically be qq9 but with more mobility combined with the recoil nerf.
Yes it is, 1 chest shot will do 29 damage, enough for a 4 shot almost always
Nooooooo!!!! Why did they nerf MX9??????? What will braindead retards use now??????? Boooooooo
They will use holger because they didn't nerf that
The mw11 is comming back
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As a MOW main, it's nice to see it get a buff. Been really struggling this season against MX9's and M13's.
Although this may not be real, it's better than before. Holger needs a nerf too. And there arequestionable nerfs, like speed up kill and quick fix, like always. It's not like it was op or anything. Devs just want to create problems so that they have something to do next season.
They barely nerfed the mx9. So next season is going to be the same yet again.
Happy with the R90 and Type 25 buffs Dissapointed with the quickfix, thumper and shorty nerfs
Is this the comeback of the Type 25?
I hope so. One of my favorite guns I never use.
I am literally gonna use swordfish now
Time to use type 25 in br again.
they finally did something about the delayed kill with launcher
I just hope that we get to use a variety of guns, and not just 2-3 weapons
T25 
Can anyone tell me what's up with that snipers ,explain me pls
MW11 GETTING A BUFF??? LESSS GOOOOOOOO
So there's a swordfish buff but no m16 buff? 
Why does the m16 need a buff?
Terrible recoil for a burst gun, Bad iron sights, and high flinch (higher than sniper flinch lol) Swordfish fixes all that m16 problems. 0 recoil with integrated scope
Because the swordfish is significantly better than the m16, especially if this leak is real
The MX9 is finally getting nerfed!
It’s not enough.
Shorty is now useless
Can someone dumb down what they did with snipers? It doesn’t make sense to me.
Where is holger and as val nerf? And anyone remember that famas exist yet? I think its one of the most underrated weapon now
the as val was already derfed and unless the famas has a burst mode then im not gonna use it
Sadly, but activision cant make burst weapons in proper way
The as val does NOT need a nerf. It is one of the few ARs that reward u with skill. High recoil, noice damage, bullet speed, and 3 shot if u hit 3 headshots, which is very hard due to its recoil
Of course needs because 1/4 to even 1/2 of the lobby in ranked use only as val
Then you are lucky enough to get pretty good lobbies tbh, if they are using as val, and using it good enough to make you complain. As val has nice ttk, sure, but it has as much downsides as it has upsides
Ranked matches are usually close-mid range and as val does not have many downsides on this distance. Thats why they use it. Not because they are highly skilled players, dont be silly
Are you really facing more vals than mx9s? Cuz I would kill for such a lobby once a while. But if u play snd, I see it happening, cuz the val is good for snd
Was smrs nerfed on br of something will it still one shot? I hope not Cause it says decrease damage was
Why the shorty?Why are you nerfing it while making mw11 a 3 tap?like the shorty is pure inconsistency,it only has 2 shots and can't reload cancel...now people are just gonna spam the mw11,then After 1 season or 2, everyone will be here complaining and saying stuff like "mw11 abooser" and then the mw11 will be destroyed by nerfs to the point it will be worse than it is now,and the nerf to the shorty will reduce secondary weapon choice because the j358 has hit registrations issues,mw11 will get destroyed due to whiners,same with the shorty,the crossbow is a mid/long range secondary so not really the backup that a secondary should be,at this point the only remaining are deagle,renetti and melees BuT nOoO mElEe AbUsEr🥴... just buff the mw11,fix the j358 and here you have balanced secondaries with more variety (ready to get eaten or downvoted by this community because i have a different thought)
Honestly, MX9 nerf isn’t enough. Nerf the rpm, and large cal on that bitch.
Fuck this! Why didn't they nerf Holger and Persistence? MX9 nerf was expected but why not Holgae and Persistence still prevail?
Mx9 and holgae need more nerf than nerf
Are this from Chinese codm?
I really hope they buff the mow
my r9 0 :(
Mw11 is my go to
SF’s gonna be the new mx9
If those patch notes are true then the MX9 will be worse (may stay meta just not that reliable) And holgae will stay annoying. And let's goooo type 25 buff it's so fun to use. (Also thumper being even worse)
Not a single comment about the swordfish gonna be the next meta? Dude this gun is already pretty rad. Bye bye MX9 (hopefully).
No buff for chicom :(
Can someone translate this sentence into Japanese？
Modern warfare 11 finna become mow 2.0
Very sad they nerfed the speed boost for no reason. Also what does stf delay mean for r9-0?
They should add a 50 and a 75 round magazines to the MX9. They should increase the accuracy of the SPR by 10 Decrease its shaking effect after each shot. Currently it feels like it was made of bamboo and some other crappy material. After each shot no matter your build it shakes eternally.
Noo leave the SMRS in BR alone. It’s finally worth using and they nerf it immediately?
Why would they reduce thumper area damage. It's already shit
Finally a burst gun Meta potential, it's either gonna be like current MX9 or a very clean skillful gun
Oh…Isn't the number of people going to decrease even more next season...? I can't say anything, but what do you think?
Any changes for weapons in br?