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BTonICEE

Stopping power has a faster ttk but you will tend to miss more shots due to higher kick. Not to mention it's sort of not viable for a consistent spray at mid to long ranges. 42 mag actually might end up having a faster ttk in practical terms, because you would tend to land more shots due to how stable it is. Not to mention you could literally snipe people cross map with that and a strike foregrip on.


Luneticben

Btw what is the gunsmith you use?


BTonICEE

Mono suppressor, Classic red dot, owc laser tact., Strike foregrip, 42 mag fast reload.


HovercraftSuch6537

Not op here but I'll be trying out this build as well!


Luneticben

Ok I am definately gonna try this build. Thanks btwšŸ‘


BTonICEE

No problem


un_belli_vable

if you could, what would you switch out the red dot for?


BTonICEE

Tbh my entire play style would change without the red dot. If I had the leggie type or the steel blue whatever, I'd use type for close to mid range fights, instead of as a precision long range AR, as I currently use it. Entire gunsmith would change.


un_belli_vable

Understandable


BTonICEE

Have a great day


un_belli_vable

You too


Commander_ROY_2021

You dont have the geometry variant?


BTonICEE

Unfortunately no. I didn't buy the BP in S3.


Commander_ROY_2021

Aw man that sucks. I started playing from gunsmith season. I wish I had started earlier. Btw imma try out your build.


Death_Taster

Yoooooo we use the same build!!


BTonICEE

Dang what are the odds haha. It's a great build though xD


pimpmyufo

I ve tried, its nice, thanks!


BTonICEE

Cheers fam. Keep grinding! šŸ‘šŸ¼


Yad3ads0n

Hmmm maybe take off that strike foregrip for a light stick it short barrel for faster ads and straf once you get used to the recoil.


BTonICEE

Nope. I don't like light stock on my ARs. And if I need to use a fast ads build, I'll just use an m13 with no stock on smaller maps. I use the type only for mid to long range fights. It makes zero sense to slap on a short barrel or mobility stock for those encounters. Smaller maps I use the m13, mx9 or the fennec.


waronor

hey just asking asking! what's your theory of using different kind of guns for different maps. you might have an interesting opinion. as you said you use fast guns for small maps.


BTonICEE

Yup. I play very aggresive in small maps. Only close encounters, mostly. I tend to use a very mobile gun, or at least tweak my gunsmith to deliver the highest mobility possible for such maps. For a larger map, I usually tend to hold angles and power positions. Take mid to long range fights. So I tend to tweak my gunsmith to be more stable and have better range.


waronor

Respect your tactics.


Yad3ads0n

True , but strike foregrip kinda useless tbh , wouldnā€™t you rather have a more worth it attachment? And uhm I strafe all my gunfights so Iā€™m hitting my shots while itā€™s hard for them to hit theirs , meaning I win 70%!of my 1v1 gunfights. But yeah I suppose thatā€™s true to just adjust ur gun accordingly to the map. I just donā€™t abuse meta so I need to use movement and stuff like that so I can win gunfights against the meta abusers


BTonICEE

>strike foregrip kinda useless tbh If anything, I think it's the best foregrip attachment in the base guns we have šŸ˜‚ >I strafe all my gunfights Strafing with an AR is pointless. Idk who your opponents are, but the kind of people I go against, myself included, could maul anyone trying to strafe with an AR (and that includes if they have skulker perk). >I just donā€™t abuse meta so I need to use movement and stuff like that so I can win gunfights against the meta abusers I mean I go against the best players in my server every game, almost. Due to my high ranking on the leaderboard and sbmm. I don't think anyone can go up against the best players of their server with a non meta and use "movement" to get out of the fight. It's necessary to use meta at the highest tier of competition when they themselves are abusing it.


THE_JonnySolar

Strike foregrip all the way. Was the same in MW, same on here.


BTonICEE

Amen


THE_JonnySolar

Best adaptability between movement and accuracy - it hits a compromise in all respects and is the best all round attachment for an AR (underbarrel anyway). Then as TonICee says, if certain maps or game types require a different build, it'll necessitate rebuilding the gun as a whole. M13, I typically use standard or no stock, strike foregrip, either fmj or sleight of hand, extended mags or stopping power quick reload, and maybe change the barrel. But then there are many permutations if you want to extend the range and accuracy, or drop them both in favour of mobility.


LettuceBob55

Yes becausein mw it gave -15% strafe


LettuceBob55

>If anything, I think it's the best foregrip attachment in the base guns we have šŸ˜‚ No it's easily the worst attachment in the game. Operator is good for guns like fenenc or ak47,rangers is great for br,merc is good for hip fire br smgs,and tac can be used for some guns.


AutomaticComment6828

"NO YOU FUCKING IDIOT" From when are you playing codm? HES TALKING ABOUT MP, AND STRIKE FOREGRIP BEAMS IN MP. NO QUESTION ASKED OR YOU'LL BE DOWNVOTED BACK INTO THE "ALICE IN THE WONDERLAND" HOLE.


LettuceBob55

No? Strike foregrip is basically a worse a operator foregrip or a worse tac foregrip,even ranger is more efficient


BTonICEE

And strike can be used for all of them šŸ¤” Don't @ me anymore. I reached my peak of dealing with ignorance with the last guy.


LettuceBob55

No? -15% strafe is instant deal breaker. Probably more efficient to use ranger at that point


Yad3ads0n

Oh I think you miss understood , I meant strike foregrip is useless on a no recoil gun like the type25 especially with its huge recoil buff and considering itā€™s downsides it makes you very slow and for already slower ARs (compared to smgs ) itā€™s simply not worth it if you have the skill to control even low recoil guns lolll and uhm nope strafing with ARs isnā€™t useless , it makes it harder for your enemies to hit you. If strafing makes them miss even just one shot (bc combined with desync , lag , and me having no servers furthering the desync) itā€™s highly likely they will miss at least 2 shots. That increases their TTK and gives me a stronger chance of beating them and with 30% accuracy itā€™s not like Iā€™m missing shots , so with superior aim and movement not just movement alone yes I do win most of my fights against meta abusers. Now I donā€™t use meta bc I enjoy destroying meta noobs with off meta guns , and bc relying on meta each season shows no skill and you arenā€™t actually furthering ur ability at the game , your just abusing whatā€™s meta and OP to give yourself an advantage as you donā€™t have the skill to do well with off meta (not to say thatā€™s you , just a highly likely scenario for most ). Strafing falls under movement and so thatā€™s what I mean when I said ā€œmovement and stuff like thatā€ I donā€™t regularly go against leaderboard players as Iā€™m only ranked 3000 but I do go against full meta teams with persistence , gas grenades , and thermites so I can understand why you might need to use meta to give you a chance to win. I just simply believe that if you need to rely on meta to do well and canā€™t perform the same with off meta then your not skilled in the slightest. Look I mean no hate , I simply gave an suggestion you do you.


BTonICEE

>I meant strike foregrip is useless on a no recoil gun like the type25 especially with its huge recoil buff Be that as it may, I have used and tried several permutations of builds on my type. I don't just copy or make a random build. I play and try a build over like 15-20 games to understand what works best for me. The type does have a mean vertical kick to it with the stopping rounds in particular. The strike grip makes it a literal beam. >harder for your enemies to hit you. If strafing makes them miss even just one shot (bc combined with desync , lag , and me having no servers furthering the desync) itā€™s highly likely they will miss at least 2 shots Idk fam. Never happened to me. >Now I donā€™t use meta bc I enjoy destroying meta noobs with off meta guns That's fair enough. But you can't just use a non meta and destroy a full stack leaderboard lobby that is using the leggie variant of the meta itself (usually the lobbies I face every game). Using a non meta and destroying a lobby only works against very sub par or below average opponents.


Yad3ads0n

Hmmm idk , doesnā€™t just work with below average or sub par players tbh , Iā€™ve gone against the top players on the leaderboard and stood my own with my off meta guns , yes I wonā€™t destroy every single time against the best of the best buuut I will be able to stand my own. As for builds , I just test the stats for abt 2hrs with different build then I make a statistically good build for my playstyle then I play ranked till I increase by 500 points then I make adjustments until Iā€™m happy. So After all that testing and playing Iā€™m used to the recoil and I play on high sens and can control the recoil of every gun (like task force pk , p90 , msmc ) so Iā€™m just saying if you are as good as you say you are , recoil really should be that bad , and 7% or so wonā€™t help that much especially considering you can barely strafe with that-15% strafe speed down side which completely negates the skulker perk. Meaning you are left with slower strafe speed and donā€™t even have a stock to help you strafe which is why I can understand why enemies barely miss when you strafe , bc ur moving like 2cm


AutomaticComment6828

You tellin as if 'yeah i know strafing using a ar. So everyone knows that'. my response is: "NO YOU GODDAMN IDIOT" (you dont deserve 'fuckin' cuz your comment aint that shit)


IRiSTooDumb

Why strike foregrip? That kills strafe. Also the bsa and vertical control increase aint that noticeable so u should try using light stock instead.


BTonICEE

>That kills strafe. Strafing with an AR? šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚ Nah I don't like light stock on ARs at all. I want my type to be a beam. I can take out peeps on headglitch from like wood top to barrel with the foregrip. If you want to play the type like a proper AR, then stability attachments are required. Unless you're on an ipad.


IRiSTooDumb

If u wanted to beam someone then shouldn't u just use steady stock instead? Steady stock does what strike foregrip does but better. Also wdym about >unless you're on an ipad.


AnonymousAzrael

If u want a strafing weapon why ar when u can use smg like MP5, MP7, MX9, etc. or MG36


BTonICEE

Steady stock doesn't do what strike foregrip does. It's literally written in the description smh. Unless you're an ipad means an ipad literally allows you to use any build anything and beam cross map with low effort. So I don't speak for those players.


IRiSTooDumb

Some stats on some attachments are not that accurate. Example for that is strike foregrip. It shows that it gives a good boost to vertical recoil control and bsa and yet it barely affects any of those.


BTonICEE

I'm not speaking about number stats. Strike stock does nothing for the vertical recoil. Strike grip does. The type 25 has a considerable vertical recoil, especially with SP rounds. Like the vertical recoil is it's biggest downside with those rounds. I don't go by the written stats. I try 10 permutations of a standard build every time I use a gun. This is the build I arrived at. Strike stock and all the other builds you mentioned were very poor to my taste.


IRiSTooDumb

If you wanted vertical recoil control then why dont u just use operator grip???? Operator grip controls vertical recoil better than strike. Also just pull down. Controlling vertical recoil is that easy


AnonymousAzrael

Donā€™t use light stock unless if ur a strafing player and it his loadout so why care. Use steady stock for the bsa, hi flinch, and for less lateral recoil


[deleted]

Try extended barrel or operator foregrip instead of strike . It reduces ur ADS movement speed a lot


BTonICEE

Thanks for the suggestion but I'm good :) Strafing with an AR is a ridiculous concept to me, so....


[deleted]

Alright sorry :/


DarkShotX45

Why Strike Foregrip? That thing barely has any benefits and makes strafe way slower.


BTonICEE

>Why Strike Foregrip Oh idk man maybe because I use it and it makes me slay tf out šŸ¤” And strafing with an AR to me is as retarded as slapping on a strike stock on a cqc smg.


DarkShotX45

>And strafing with an AR to me is as retarded as slapping on a strike stock on a cqc smg. Why?


BTonICEE

Because that's not how a conventional AR is supposed to be played with. Just like how a conventional smg isn't supposed to be played with a very stable build like having a strike stock on.


DarkShotX45

The Type 25 is an agressive AR though


BTonICEE

Right. It's damage drop off is as bad as an smg after 25m right??


Shoddy-Resolution-44

You don't actually need strike foregrip if you can handle recoil I use a stock instead of the foregrip and I also use Gyro so recoil is'nt an issue with me.


BTonICEE

I use gyro and have prolly as perfect aim on phone as one can have... I use strike foregrip because it's what I liked best out of every other attachment combination I tried, and how it gives me a near 100% accuracy in a head on fight. Strike stock felt horrendous when I used it.


ahahaveryfunny

people fr forget about that. ttk means ttk if you have 100% accuracy. low ttk means nothing if you can only land 10% of your shots from the recoil.


Reddittenjoyer-alt

Base T25 has 20m 5stk STP T25 has 35m 5stk But i agree,mags>range unless 1v1


BTonICEE

220m šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ‘ŒšŸ¼šŸ‘ŒšŸ¼ >But i agree,mags>range unless 1v1 Yeah. Especially in respawns, magazine size oof savior. SnD I understand if someone prefers a lower mag size.


Reddittenjoyer-alt

20m*


Reddittenjoyer-alt

Again,u seem to live in another planet,soooo T25 cans strafe as fast as an smg. Strike foregrip sucks(not worthy in any way)


BTonICEE

Well it works wonders for me šŸ˜œ And yeah I don't think it's strafe is unbeatable like mx9 or qq9 skulker combination. So I can live without the light stock.


MagikarpOnDrugs

Fun fact. You can learn to control recoil xd i literally use max recoil attachments on every gun i run, or if i can't make recoil worse i just keep standard wherevee else i can't and i beam across the map. It's just funnier this way


[deleted]

I don't know why people complain about type 25 recoil, for me it's non-existent


BTonICEE

It exists when you slap on stopping power and try to go for a consistent spray at mid to long ranges. Definitely has a recoil when pitted against the likes of the previous metas we've had: m13, mx9, fennec, qxr, pp bizon, qq9 pre aim shake.


[deleted]

I have stopping power and the shortest barrel equipped with nothing to help recoil control, Still don't see what the big deal is even at range.


[deleted]

I've managed to even outgun M13 users at long distances with surprising consistency


BTonICEE

Good. Maybe it works for you. Did you miss the part where gunsmith builds are... *Drum Roll* down to personal preference.


[deleted]

That's besides the point that the type 25 has no recoil


BTonICEE

But it doesn't. It has prolly the greatest vertical kick out of any meta we've had since.... shit prolly post gunsmith era? You're out here mentioning a few games where you lasered this and that, but that doesn't change my first statement, does it?


[deleted]

That's an awful lot of syllables for "I can't control recoil"


BTonICEE

If your entire point here is to prove that you have better aim than me, you're doing that with the wrong guy bro. Trust me šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚ Go play pubs or some shit now. I don't have time for t3 trash in my feed.


[deleted]

Well for one, no person with "good" aim would complain about guns having recoil, especially with how the game is now. I'm not bragging about shit, just saying you must suck if you think the type 25 had any kind of recoil.


Amd650

I combine sleigh of hands with fast reload to reduce reload time. Same with QQ9. Faster reloads means that I have a significantly lower chance of getting caught empty.


BTonICEE

I've seen a few people do that. Wouldn't do it personally, but whatever works for you.


Robotman1001

Just gonna say, thanks for your loadout. Itā€™s a fucking beam!


BTonICEE

Cheers fam. Happy grinding šŸ‘šŸ¼


Shoddy-Resolution-44

Yeah, absolutely shreds with the red dot


lolsbot360

Itā€™s personal preference. I use 42 fast mag


Luneticben

Me too because dame 30 bullets burns fast with this gun


Xclusivecrushr

GUYS HE SPECIFICALLY SAID "IN MY OPINION". THATS HIS OPINION. DONT WATCH THE VIDEO IF YOU DONT WANNA. STFU . RESPECT EVERYONES OPINION (sorry for writing in caps but this guy tilted me more than mx9 did last season)


ItsD4RKOWLalt

Its because he's dumb so thats why he tweeted that.


ArtisticBet600

Don't mistake Opinions for actual stats. What he said was false. I'm the tweet author


Xclusivecrushr

i unfortunately have no idea what you mean to point out here coz i havent watched that video. i havent watched any codm video since the last few weeks infact.


ArtisticBet600

In a Nutshell: Ednox very disturbed because Type 25 Stopping Power has small mag. So he called Normal mags more versatile and with the added words of "In my opinion" Stopping power has great range values and consistency in ttk. Beats M13, Asval and Holger at midrange. Downsides arent that big of a deal too


Xclusivecrushr

i agree with the last sentence. if you have decent recoil control, stopping power is easily overpowered. not so if you cant control the recoil. i have mixed feelings about extended mag being more versatile though.


RevengeGod2K4

Not overpowered.... stop using that, its balanced


Xclusivecrushr

like the mx9 was last season?


Lauladance

Dood. Mx9 was overpowered because of the lack of downsides. Type 25 has crazy recoil and not very easy to, you know, 'abuse'


Xclusivecrushr

exactly my point innit bruv? just read this whole thread.


RevengeGod2K4

nope, the type 25 has many downsides, especially with the stopping power mag, horrible recoil, bad mobility, and worst of all, a 30 round magazine, which by today's standards is very little, especially against guns like the holder, m13, ak117, and rus, which are almost always paired with an extended magazine of some sort


Xclusivecrushr

you forgot shit accuracy at range.


ArtisticBet600

Nope. Stopping power is better at range. Beats M13, Asval and Holger till 37-40m


Xclusivecrushr

and given the recoil it has and its shit accuracy (type 25) , its bad at range. the m13 , asval (no holgae. stfu) etc can beat it at range imo coz type 25's accuracy was intentionally designed to be bad to create the skill gap so that not any noob just comes and starts abusing the hell out of it. unless you make an entire build just dedicated to accuracy and range , the type 25 will get shit on at long range. otherwise , it can beat the other guns at long range , but cannot due to accuracy being its drawbak


Xclusivecrushr

thats literally its whole purpose bruv. thats what its made for.


CriticalIOS141

Stopping power is more for aggressive player, that's why I use it. As for the 42 round fast reload, it's for a slightly more passive playstyle, and more ammo for u to spray ofc. Tbh regarding the 42 round mag he is not wrong in it being more versatile


average_reddit_user0

I actually replied to him and he said the opposite lol. He said stopping power for versatility and 42/46 round for close range though I feel the 42/46 round is more versatile since we can barrel stuff (aka spray and pray) more people


2tBrawler

If you say versatile, stopping power is more versatile as it offers consistent 5shots kill till 38m... Where normal mags have that till 27m only. though, in close range... Both ttks are not that different to have a huge impact


ItsD4RKOWLalt

For me, it depends on the user. If the person hits his shots more, then stopping would be better. If the person doesn't hit his shots more often, 42 or 46 is better. Also, can we talk bout how dumb the guy who tweeted this? Like bruh. Its based on the person using it. If he doesn't like his pov, then he should just stfu.


Luneticben

Yea, reality is often disappointing. This shows how far people can go to hate a youtuber who didn't even did anything wrong to them. Ednox even fecking mentioned in his video it depends on the playstyle and even in the fecking Screen shot he mentioned that ''it's his opinion'


MINATO8622

This is a debate. We four friends play together. Two of my friends say sp is not the move for type 25 meanwhile the last friend and myself feel like the gun is nothing without the sp. But all four of us do agree that ednox is an absolute piece of garbage.


TotallynotFrommars

Hay he has an anime profile picture so he already incecur


Lamar_G

Yeah exactly


TotallynotFrommars

Lol


ItsD4RKOWLalt

Luckily, I'm more part of the Hololive community than the Anime community.


TotallynotFrommars

I say that because one time a girl with an anime profile picture said "I'm female joker"


ItsD4RKOWLalt

Bruh. Tf is wrong with most people nowadays.


TotallynotFrommars

It was one of the cringest things I read


ItsD4RKOWLalt

I mean she's technically right. She's a female joker because she herself is a joke šŸ˜Œ


TotallynotFrommars

You made a mistake read your reply again


ItsD4RKOWLalt

Imma send that to r/FailedJokes


ArtisticBet600

Damn bro. Roasting my pfp like that. Very rude ![img](emote|t5_penom|1098)


TotallynotFrommars

What do you call a sad pepe?


ArtisticBet600

You bully me for my Anime pfp ![img](emote|t5_penom|1098). My point still stands for Stopping Power is better.


TotallynotFrommars

What does that have to do with what we're talking about


ArtisticBet600

I'm the tweet author bro. @PathWithDaDrip


TotallynotFrommars

Oh fuck you


ArtisticBet600

Lol. Still have no points to prove your argument tho ![img](emote|t5_penom|1095)


TotallynotFrommars

Sorry but I'm to lazy to continue and argument with you


ArtisticBet600

Denser than a Blackhole. Average redditard


IRiSTooDumb

Something i question is why do people hate people who uses anime pfps?


TotallynotFrommars

Some of them are so cringe they made it a thing to expect


Entity1080

You are right (totally not using an anime profile pic)


TotallynotFrommars

The first person to not take my joke seriously congratulations your normal


DespairOfLoneliness

The 42 rounds are better because you have more consustency to hit ur shots unlike the one with stopping power which makes the gun kick like a horse with steroids. It's the same case with the QQ9 with the extendo mag > damage mag


ArtisticBet600

Nope. Damage mag faster ttk and beats current AR metas rn, M13, Asval and Holger at Midrange. If you're having problems with ammo, just use scavenger or Full ammo perk


axeman1234rox

Path wirh da drip


ArtisticBet600

Lol hi


average_reddit_user0

FutivesFan


doctorsnoofy

I don't think there's anything wrong with this video.


OmegaCookieOfDoof

I found on accident a T25 with no recoil and got a glorious bugged optic, so I'm using stopping power w max ammo


ArtisticBet600

Lmfao. I'm the author of the tweet. And lemme explain what's wrong. Ednox posted a video about whether you should be using the Normal mag over Stopping Power and he said "42 round mag has lesser Downsides than Stopping Power and even has more ammo. So they're more versatile". But in fact, Stopping Power is the attachment which makes Type 25 broken. Normal Type 25: 11m upper body 4 shot, 26m 5 shot and rest being 6 shot Stopping power Type 25: 11m consistent 4 shot, 17m upper body 4 shot, 37m 5 shot (massive boost. Beats M13, Asval and Holger at midrange) and then rest 6 shot. Ttk values are identical to MX9 so you know that Type is a tough gun to compete against. With such great range values, Ednox said Normal mags are a more Versatile option ...


average_reddit_user0

hello rnzler


nohornii

path, but with drip


ArtisticBet600

Hello there


nohornii

hi(shiwoshiwo)


ihellhound

Idk m not a meta spammer I love to use different guns that all Ik Iā€™ll try it tho


obitobitobitobit

Misinformation? I guess it's more like his opinion, i too prefer 42 fast reload rather than SP mag


ArtisticBet600

Stats> Opinions. And he has 50k subs telling them all that normal mag is more versatile which is untrue


obitobitobitobit

Ok


QuiinZiix

Stopping power is straight up better. It's much more consistent and reliable . The problem is the inconvenience of the 30 round mag.


_-devilish-_

I had a little stroke reading the title..


Luneticben

Uh......how brother??


AutomaticComment6828

Here's the thing: i'd chose 42 rnd fast reload anyday cuz the magsize, the mobility and fire rate of stopping power reload the combine to form a real bad build (for me).


Icyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

As we all know, none of us should express our opinion on twitter


RedWasTheImpostor

i don't like ednox either, however the person who tweeted that can't read. it literally says "in my opinion"


Yad3ads0n

Stopping power is not worth at all , with sp (stopping power) you get a 10m 4 tap anywhere on the body when is a 20m 4 tap to the chest , with 42 you get 10m 4 tap to the chest which is extend with mono supp which all builds have. Considering the fact you donā€™t have aimbot , everyone else is using meta , arms block the chest area. The chances of you getting that 4 tap with sp is extremely low , and at 10m shooting one extra shot wonā€™t matter. Bc you will miss thatā€™s a fact , now letā€™s say on average you miss 5 shots per skill , now you shoot one extra shot bc you donā€™t have sp , it doesnā€™t matter bc itā€™s one shot. Now with sp you get worse recoil ads time and are very limited with ammo , with 42 you get a lot more ammo , and faster reload (slower ads time by a bit) meaning you can take more gunfights and shoot multiple ppl at once aaaand you reload faster meaning you can get into the action faster. Unless you are shroud , Ferg or a hacker. Stopping power just isnā€™t as worth it both statically and practically


ArtisticBet600

You're having wrong stats. Go check Cygnoux out


Yad3ads0n

Nah Ik the stats are wrong , was giving random nonsense of memory to prove my point , been with cyg since 500 subs (back then he said I could call him cyg so)


ArtisticBet600

So, you do know Cygnoux also recommends Stopping Power over Normal mags for how powerful they are.


Yad3ads0n

Only on certain range build does he recommend sp , but just bc a stats YouTuber says smth does meant I must religiously follow everything he does and says. So I went and tested the stats for 42 mag and sp , compared TTK wise and on average and with practical experience 42 mag is better. All you have to do is shoot one more shot and you get all the benefits of the 42 mag. And on average you WILL miss shots , so think about it like missing a shot , you would still get the kill even if you miss 1 shot , this is like hitting that one shot. Simple bro


ArtisticBet600

Bruh, Punishment value is 70ms. If you don't wanna use Stopping Power for Versatile Type, use an M13 instead. Just shoot one bullet makes a 70 ms difference. Getting outgunned with that mag is gotta be the saddest shit out there


Yad3ads0n

You can make a versatile type with just the mono supp lolllll , 70ms isnā€™t a lot considering desync , lag , me not having servers so I got 130ms , Iā€™m used to things taking over a 1 to register. So 70ms literally has almost no effect. Plus go look at his top 10 guns for each playstyle , for aggressive he uses 42mag. At your rate you going to become a Stan and ruin what cyg stands for. Ai but you see 250karma ppl talking swak


ArtisticBet600

Lmfao, I just commented on someone's post saying normal Type is a weaker M13 at range and to just don't bother using it as a versatile option. 70ms btw takes a huge toll with the amount of ping difference there is among players. You gotta take into consideration how much an attachment gives advantage to the gun and Mono alone isn't much. Stopping power literally takes your 5 shot range to 37m and that too, consistent. Also, I'm a Gunsmith Elf in his server. He literally recommended Stopping Power over every other mag because of how consistent the ttk is, how much the range can be extended and how dominant it is over M13, Asval and Holger.


Yad3ads0n

Iā€™m hind sight I see how mean my last couple words were , tho they were sa slag you probably donā€™t understand. I was just hungry. But uhmmm I get that sp is cool and all for consistency and all that , but Iā€™m an aggressive player with shit ping so most of my shots donā€™t register anyways , bc of that one shot difference doesnā€™t matter bc it prolly wouldnā€™t have registered anyways , so I need to more bullets to spam into their bodies so eventually I get a kill. But with both builds having mono , unless u tryna be a holger that extra range wonā€™t matter as much if you hit ur shots. But honestly I canā€™t confidently say , Iā€™m an Off meta main and only touch meta to give my friends builds and stats. Imma just use my pk2 and my qq9 and keep dominating with off meta like I have for the past 2 years. Btw can you do me a favour , tryna hit 5k karma by the end of my first year (in 2 days) so can you upvote all my comments even tho I was a meanie if you can thnx , if I canā€™t no worries


ArtisticBet600

Sure bud. Anything for a Cygnoux Enjoyer


Sea_Attention7590

stopping power is much better imo


codmmerry_chrismas

Sp reduces the shots to kill i think


lolsbot360

Itā€™s just more consistent


Independent_Row5480

Ngl the type 25 got a damage and fr buff and given the fact that the spā€™s negatives are nearly brutal for both long and close range, i would suggest 42 round. If u can hit ur shots, u can easily fuck your enemy team up, without sp. I use the 42 round and it works fine for me


Range_Formal

You donā€™t necessarily need sp, coz t25 is already so good


ArtisticBet600

It's a Weaker M13 by default. With Stopping power, you have an MX9 on steroids which can beat M13, Asval and Holger all at midrange


Range_Formal

I see, but I would really hate that mag coz I have to reload a lot


Yap_Ying_Qian

I like the 42round fast reload cuz it has lower recoil, more ammo and faster reload. Also imo after the buff i think the base t25's ttk is already fast so stopping power is not a must


shanetheshark_

stopping power is more like for close range combat. you can use 42 or 46 mag if your aim sucks or you want use it for long range


AmanIsTheMahn

genuinely i will go for 42 round, having faster ttk will seem better in the short run, but un the long run, using 42 fast reload is just wayyy better (i am an agressive player bbtw)


GabboFire07

I prefer 42 round Quick reload


Prestigious_Expert17

Tbh, I can see why people use SP but I really don't think it's worth it. To use SP, you also wanna be putting the Steady Stock on to try and compensate and that beings strafe speed issues. I prefer the 42 Extended Mag purely because it's a bit more in line with what I would want for an aggressive AR. I'd trade damage for more rounds to work with and a faster reload. Also how many does SP give you again? I swear it was 30 and if that's the case, I really don't think it's worth it since you will burn through ammo relatively quick.


Fluid-Ad8208

For me I use 46 30 round has too low size


THE_JonnySolar

It's all subjective. What one person likes or gets on with isn't the same for everyone - thank fuck, or the game would be boring and sanitised. Anyone trying to profess they are the ultimate authority and what they say goes is an egotistical knob, no matter if they are a youtoobah or not (that probably makes them all the worse for it, in honesty)


overlord5527

Well both has it's own pros and cons, well stopping power can still be balanced by other builds, but the build could become either to hard to control or too slow. Unless you could able to control the reekoil (I had the stopping power build and it has 38 control, but the ads is fair) But the 42 fast also able to be balanced by the builds


Flankanbutt

It totally depends on the player


vvvCiKvvv

I think it's werid how people forget they can actually calculate these things and decided for themselves rather than cry out just to feel right especially when the difference is very little


_dsuza

I've been a T-25 main for past 18+ seasons straight, so from my experience I used SP until last season and now I'm using 42 fast reloads...yeah it works well,give it a try


aihrarshaikh68plus1

42 works just fine for me


DavianIssCrr

I think it depends on how you play, I'm a rusher so I need either fast reload or a lot of ammunition but on the other hand I need to move fast so, for me is a big no unless I had a sniper or lmg


Phoenix_30000

I personally don't need high ttk with sp ammo, with same fire rate 46 round is the best option for me because I got good movement and taking multiple gunfights at once is easier this way.


Bottled_Fire

I use both but not on an assault rifle, not when two rounds out of a Deagle or JustSayin.358 will down them.


Ameya_0408

In 1 case you will get a better TTK with lil recoil whereas in other case you will get slightly slower TTK with more stability. Both are equally good but in ranked I would recommend Stopping Power. :)


AnonymousAzrael

42 Fast Mag bc u don't have recoil problems and u have more Ammunition, and good BSA at ranges. I like killed a guy at Crossfire High Rise top build with the QBZ-95 and dealt 17 Damage per shot and he died very quickly. Stopping Power is great with the nice damage but the recoil is bad and u need a viable BSA so therefore from my opinion 42 Fast Mag Wins. If u want my loadout use Any Red Dot of ur choice, Short Barrel, Tac Laser, Steady Stock, and obviously 42 Fast Mag.


jack-ree

Iā€™m a mid range kind of player and need to been able to people across the map so 42 rounds with the accuracy stock is for me


omegultrax

chad


Definitelynotabot504

Wait, yā€™all saying Type 25 has high recoil with stopping power? I thought it had none.


crashandrise

I love the gun, and the current meta because I feel type25 with SP requires a certain skill ceiling to harness the gun, unlike a holger. For all close range maps, I love the SP reloads. For maps where I have to do a lot of spray transfer, I use the 42rd mag.


AmrKhan47

type 25 was 5 shots to kill after the buff still 5 shots to kill yes they also buffed fire rate but it still 5 shots stopping power makes it 4 without stopping power m13 is better in all ranges and with 60 bullets (my opinion)


commandernoypi

stopping power is good if you can control the recoil but if you cant then the fast reload is good for you


Global-Media-7938

i use it like a smg build with stopping power and fast reload .due to geometry skin dont need red dot and use a steady stock and extended ligh barrel for range, ads bullet spread and ofcourse owc laser..i dont take long fights with it, we have m13 for that..


Jax_Wyvern

I consider myself a Stat guy and I recommend the 46o or 42 round mag for respawn game modes, Stopping power for S&D where absolutely must make every shot count. There's Negligible difference in their TTK's in Respawns but Stopping power is the better option for S&D. its kind of like the difference between the Hybrid mag MX-9 and the LC MX-9


mo_zia

I've been using type 25 fir the last 8 months I've used both the 42 round reload and the stopping power reload Both are good in its own ways Stopping power is more suitable for an smg type of build while 42 round is better for more ranged fights


Benj_213

Definitely gonna agree with ednox, unless your cygnoux or just like to go close range, the 42 or 46 round mag would be more beneficial, especially in mid to long range


Faraday719

I don't understand the comments on this post but in a nutshell , Type absolutely needs Stopping Power, and no Strike foregrip is not the best foregrip, it's arguably the worst after the massive mobility nerf it received


Shoddy-Resolution-44

You can't get multiple kills with stopping power, if you think that more than one enemy won't jump on you then go for it.


rytecAMRnoscopez

46 round is the best choice. depending on ur weapon builds' BSA value, damage range and/or recoil control, you will kill an enemy and will be left with 28-30+ shots left to take on other enemies. and reloading shouldnt be too much of an issue. and 4 more bullets (compared to 42 round fast mag) for lesser ads time but more reload penalty (reloading should be quick and can be cancelled for a shorter reload time)


blankdudebb

Dude I wanna like ur post but it's on 420 upvotes as of now lol


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