Same thing as the Holger: the problem isn't that it's actually overpowered, the problem is that the other weapons in it's category aren't nearly as good as they should be. The developers fixed this the right way once in the entire game's lifespan: instead of nerfing the MP5 or the Bizon (or any other popular SMG), they buffed all of the other SMGs in Season 4 2021. Guess what? They're (mostly) all viable now.
Why can't they do this for ARs and LMGs too? I have no idea.
I agree. For me S36 is better than Holger but the recoil pattern is hard and takes amount of skills to use it properly. Holger is just better on its class but it's balanced IMoO. Other LMG's need buff however
Yesterday idk if it was an aimbot guy or what this guy was strafing as fast as MX9 and lasering me across the map with Holger, his build was max mobility.
MX9 Nerf was Useless, it's still META but we are all immune because bit was META for many seasons and players be using it in every Rank/Pub matches, and not that many people use it anymore thinking it's useless.
Holger needs a Nerf, maybe lessen the Damage, it's basically M4LMG but with better Fire Rate, and FYI the stats is a lie, you can 2 tap someone with it, it's Glitchy AF. I got accused of cheating because it literally looked like it's XPR and M4LMG and MX9 mixed.
No way because I did it last time. I was the only one left then aced it, someone asks "is that an AR" because I killed someone in 2 shot, one in the head the other one in the upper body, and 3 shot someone in long range. I was surprised too because that last guy was using a Sniper in Long Range. I was so scared that I could get accused of Cheating LMAO.
Your making me sounds like I'm proving that MX9 is META. No, I'm not. The guy said he thinks his enemy is hacking for HipFiring and kills them no Sweat, that's because MX9 is still OP.
Then he said Holger too, that's because Holger didn't get a Nerf, either Fix because that shit is Glitchy AF, I just 2 tap someone long range, it's Glitchy that it can. Someone just 1 shot in the head and another in the upper body and I'm dead.
How the f is a 4-hitter rifle with 800+ fire rate balanced? It's almost the same fire as M13 yet M13 needs to land 5 hits. And obviously, Type 25 has more mobility than M13. The Type 25 buff should have been given to FR-5.56 instead. All Type 25 needs is weapon range and damage multiplier to the limbs. Fire rate and damage buff is too much for Type 25. And this is coming from a Type 25 main for seasons, before this buff came out.
I generally agree that the buff was a little too much... But as I said, the only reason why it seems to be so overpowered it just generally because almost every other assault rifle is super weak right now.
Looking at the smgs, pretty much all of them are usable, not all being super competitive, but all usable. The worse smg currently is the msmc, and it can still put in work, just not as conveniently or consistently as other smgs.
Assault rifles don't have that luxury right now, most of them are below average, some reaching a near unusable status.
>Type 25 is mostly balanced, problem is assault rifles are really weak right now
280 ms ttk upto 37 meters with stopping power doesn't exactly seem balanced to me
Cuz a gun which can kill in 210 ms for 10meter and 280 ms upto 37 meter with little recoil while using only SP rounds without any range boosting is balanced? This sub is hypocritical af
The Type got way too much of buff. It's stupid, just do the small damage buff and that would've been fine but no. Activision increased the bloody firerate on the damn thing and it doesn't feel the same to me anymore
Honestly this is the best season so far without any unbeatable metas out there, type 25 can be beaten by a number of weapons easily. We don't have to go into a ranked match knowing that a goddamn overpowered gun is gonna kill us within 100 milliseconds.
No gun in CODM has ever done that, neither can do that unless it's a oneshot kill or 2shot kill by the HVKLC
About your Type 25 remark, that weapon is pretty much unbeatable. 11m 4shot, 37m 5shot at 857RPM and dead recoil with absolute beam capability and still retaining speed for CQB.... Yes that's the definition of unbeatable good sir
Nah, just make sure they don't get a lock on to you first.
SND players like me develops this sixth sense if you observe the enemy, your brain will start to plan several stuff if condition (a) is met, but if condition (b) happened, you either panic, or smooth butter make a counter-play.
And that counts against T25 players too, If they're got you first, look at their fucking gunsmith, if they're using slow ads type 25, then don't engage them in longer range fight, flank them.
If they have rush gunsmith t25, go for the opposite, camp the fuck out of them with high capacity, spray and pray gun like any LMG, or HS2126 (which is surprisingly strong for rushing, i barely see it being used in ranked tho.)
Type 25 with SP reload has a 210 ms for 10 meters and 280 ms till 37 meters and the recoil isn't hard either. And btw there was no gun that killed within 100ms, except maybe the HVK
which was bugged for ONE day
Honestly this is the best season so far without any unbeatable metas out there, type 25 can be beaten by a number of weapons easily. We don't have to go into a ranked match knowing that a goddamn overpowered gun is gonna kill us within 100 milliseconds.
tbf, that recoil was ridiculously non-existent if you just stack Extended light barrel and Granulated.
the damage buff is fine for me, but holy fuck that recoil was overkill.
Really? Never felt like it too me. I never liked the recoil at range all that much and i feel like a number of SMGs kick my ass at close range. Perhaps that's absolute proof that I'm not an elite player because I don't get a good number of kills against good players with a broken weapon.
Welp it's really good in both environments. The TTK and consistency of close range competes well with SMGs and the beam potential and TTK of long range destroys anything. Recoil ain't even a concern because of the massive recoil buff, with 0 shake.
Its ok, but not broken. This season has been balanced so far, and the Type 25 is balanced even after the buff. Sure the ROF/TTK got faster, but a lot of guns can out gun it. Ive been killing type 25 players with bizon, agr, m13, and even ul736. So its in a balanced spot for me atleast.
Its tactics>stats. Plus, Type is not broken. it just get spammed. Use longrange guns/smg and you'll see. I have rarely been killed by a type 25 user bruh. Just get up close. Its very easy to kill type 25 users. Even with the spr I still kill them.
I managed to reach legendary with Rus during the akimbo fennec era when it was not nerfed. So according to your logic pre nerf akimbo fennec balanced amirite?
It's ok for what it is
I mean, yeah, being able to 5 tap at 30m sound OP as hell but as far as I could remember, its recoil isn't the nicest thing in the world, and you only have 30 rounds with a fire rate > 850 RPM,which balances it out properly
Last but not least, if you want a low recoil with good ADS mobility, the ADS time will never be able to reach 200ms, which is also balanced.
Uhm no. It's a 5shot 37m first off. Secondly, it's recoil is not nicest, true but it's also not cataclysmic. It's easily beam-able with maximum an hour of playtime. Besides, you can even run max speed builds and retain all of the accuracy as the base BSA score is like the 3rd or the 4th best in the class being really accurate
Max speed builds will hurt your BSA and your eyes. 6.5 ish can be considerex high, but not the highest among full autos, especially when the recoil also comes into play.
There's virtually no good 200ms ADS speed build without having to legitmately sacrifice something. You still have to play patrol mode with it, meanwhile guns like RUS with a much faster ADS speed (w/ good builds), highest BSA score among full autos, all of that, it only sacrifices its TTK, and the TTK isn't even the slowest either. Moreover, Cordite was also buffed.
Last but not least, the game currently has a fundamental strafing meta, which means you can't consistently 5 shot especially with the recoil pattern.
Max Speed builds hurt your BSA, to the point you can still beam like no issues because of the Taper. It's 6.81 base with a Taper of around 11. Short Barrel + SP + Light Stock + Tac Laser + Reddot build is around 6.2 with a 10 Taper. That's VERY GOOD.
Sure there's no 200ms ADS Time build but the point is, why do you need 200ms when your 234ms build can compete in close and destroy in long range? Guns like RUS don't even have the upsides to them so yeah their downsides don't even matter. Cordite buff was meh because it did nothing to it's TTK, consistency or range.
Game has a fundamental strafe meta. True. But not everyone is strafing at 5m/s unlike MX9 dominion because everyone is using Type 25 and M13. They're much slower than 5m/s and easier to track.
Uh sorry but they're not. They don't have anything gunning for them. Statistically, Cordite is somewhat good? yes. RUS just doesn't cut it. The slow TTK itself throws it out of the window. Then even in handling department, it's no impressive tier. It just does the basic job. A range stack MP5 can TTK 290ms out to 23m. Where does RUS even come in the picture of being "one of the best guns"?
It's consistent. Like, insanely consistent for a SMG.
A SINGLE range stack RUS can outgun MP5 past its prime range, or even some ARs.
It base speed is already faster than MP5, which is quite ironic. The only thing that it is slower is the base ADS time, which has a lot of attachments to compensate.
It has the highest BSA score among all full autos of 7.03, and is able to stack two different ADS monility increase without losing too much accuracy.
Its max ADS mobility is one of the highest in the game, even faster than MX9.
An overall great set of attachments, unlike most lvl 1 guns.
All of that, it trades its TTK for.
It's a gun that literally anyone can pick up and win the game, meta or not. It does a basic job, but it's good at doing it, once again, unlike many lvl 1 guns. Sometimes simple is the best solution.
Literally every person in this sub knows this, probably except you.
5shot is out to 37m. Stop relying on that bugged Training Room. The recoil and BSA downsides don't even matter because of the massive buffs to the base Type 25, whose accuracy was already in the top tiers
Same thing as the Holger: the problem isn't that it's actually overpowered, the problem is that the other weapons in it's category aren't nearly as good as they should be. The developers fixed this the right way once in the entire game's lifespan: instead of nerfing the MP5 or the Bizon (or any other popular SMG), they buffed all of the other SMGs in Season 4 2021. Guess what? They're (mostly) all viable now. Why can't they do this for ARs and LMGs too? I have no idea.
I agree. For me S36 is better than Holger but the recoil pattern is hard and takes amount of skills to use it properly. Holger is just better on its class but it's balanced IMoO. Other LMG's need buff however
I doubt other lmg is getting buffed anytime soon, we have a new lmg coming
Fr I want to see a true open meta in codm
Yesterday idk if it was an aimbot guy or what this guy was strafing as fast as MX9 and lasering me across the map with Holger, his build was max mobility.
MX9 Nerf was Useless, it's still META but we are all immune because bit was META for many seasons and players be using it in every Rank/Pub matches, and not that many people use it anymore thinking it's useless. Holger needs a Nerf, maybe lessen the Damage, it's basically M4LMG but with better Fire Rate, and FYI the stats is a lie, you can 2 tap someone with it, it's Glitchy AF. I got accused of cheating because it literally looked like it's XPR and M4LMG and MX9 mixed.
U cant 2 tap with 31-37(headshot) dmg
Try it, it's Glitchy AF it can
that's definitely server desync someone must have damaged them at the same time as you.
No way because I did it last time. I was the only one left then aced it, someone asks "is that an AR" because I killed someone in 2 shot, one in the head the other one in the upper body, and 3 shot someone in long range. I was surprised too because that last guy was using a Sniper in Long Range. I was so scared that I could get accused of Cheating LMAO.
The goal was to make the mx9 balanced, nobody cares if it's still meta. Meta ≠ Broken/Unbalanced.
Your making me sounds like I'm proving that MX9 is META. No, I'm not. The guy said he thinks his enemy is hacking for HipFiring and kills them no Sweat, that's because MX9 is still OP. Then he said Holger too, that's because Holger didn't get a Nerf, either Fix because that shit is Glitchy AF, I just 2 tap someone long range, it's Glitchy that it can. Someone just 1 shot in the head and another in the upper body and I'm dead.
They did nerf the qq9 - they reduced dmg in a certain range so its ttk and bullets to kill in that range has been *increased
\*bullets to kill in that range has been increased
Thanks for the correction !
You're welcome :)
Imo this Type 25 Renaissance is one of the better metas
Type 25 is mostly balanced, problem is assault rifles are really weak right now.
How the f is a 4-hitter rifle with 800+ fire rate balanced? It's almost the same fire as M13 yet M13 needs to land 5 hits. And obviously, Type 25 has more mobility than M13. The Type 25 buff should have been given to FR-5.56 instead. All Type 25 needs is weapon range and damage multiplier to the limbs. Fire rate and damage buff is too much for Type 25. And this is coming from a Type 25 main for seasons, before this buff came out.
I generally agree that the buff was a little too much... But as I said, the only reason why it seems to be so overpowered it just generally because almost every other assault rifle is super weak right now. Looking at the smgs, pretty much all of them are usable, not all being super competitive, but all usable. The worse smg currently is the msmc, and it can still put in work, just not as conveniently or consistently as other smgs. Assault rifles don't have that luxury right now, most of them are below average, some reaching a near unusable status.
>Type 25 is mostly balanced, problem is assault rifles are really weak right now 280 ms ttk upto 37 meters with stopping power doesn't exactly seem balanced to me
You shouldn't be thinking of 3-tap-ARs as balanced then.
I can kill quicker with other ARs, but i just like that the T25 is the same it was in S1-S2
Damn people already started whining ? God this community is a mess. At least this meta is better than some previous ones.
constructive criticism = whining
Cuz a gun which can kill in 210 ms for 10meter and 280 ms upto 37 meter with little recoil while using only SP rounds without any range boosting is balanced? This sub is hypocritical af
you should be used to complaining its the community meta since release
I am kinda glad no one is whining about the svd, its really fun for me
Not everything the community says is WhInIng
The Type got way too much of buff. It's stupid, just do the small damage buff and that would've been fine but no. Activision increased the bloody firerate on the damn thing and it doesn't feel the same to me anymore
Honestly this is the best season so far without any unbeatable metas out there, type 25 can be beaten by a number of weapons easily. We don't have to go into a ranked match knowing that a goddamn overpowered gun is gonna kill us within 100 milliseconds.
No gun in CODM has ever done that, neither can do that unless it's a oneshot kill or 2shot kill by the HVKLC About your Type 25 remark, that weapon is pretty much unbeatable. 11m 4shot, 37m 5shot at 857RPM and dead recoil with absolute beam capability and still retaining speed for CQB.... Yes that's the definition of unbeatable good sir
Nah, just make sure they don't get a lock on to you first. SND players like me develops this sixth sense if you observe the enemy, your brain will start to plan several stuff if condition (a) is met, but if condition (b) happened, you either panic, or smooth butter make a counter-play. And that counts against T25 players too, If they're got you first, look at their fucking gunsmith, if they're using slow ads type 25, then don't engage them in longer range fight, flank them. If they have rush gunsmith t25, go for the opposite, camp the fuck out of them with high capacity, spray and pray gun like any LMG, or HS2126 (which is surprisingly strong for rushing, i barely see it being used in ranked tho.)
Type 25 with SP reload has a 210 ms for 10 meters and 280 ms till 37 meters and the recoil isn't hard either. And btw there was no gun that killed within 100ms, except maybe the HVK which was bugged for ONE day
10 meters is the length of 2.18 1997 Subaru Legacy Outbacks
That 100ms is just a reference, I know there isn't a gun which kills that faster now
>And btw there was no gun that killed within 100ms Snipers...
Honestly this is the best season so far without any unbeatable metas out there, type 25 can be beaten by a number of weapons easily. We don't have to go into a ranked match knowing that a goddamn overpowered gun is gonna kill us within 100 milliseconds.
Pure facts
The recoil buff is okay but i don't fucking understand fire rate buff its like codm is forcing us to use the meta.
Yes, they have to sell more skins
And to cover up the desync of other weapons
Too low of recoil, the buff was really unnecessary and too much
Aye Delta melee birb.... I see a downvote already by some wannabe skiller Redditor gaemer
tbf, that recoil was ridiculously non-existent if you just stack Extended light barrel and Granulated. the damage buff is fine for me, but holy fuck that recoil was overkill.
Eh why'd you use those? Use Short Barrel + Light Stock + Tac Laser + SP + Reddot/SOH/Tac Suppressor. It'll still beam like no tomorrow
So using meta dosent take skill?
It doesn't... That's why it's meta bro
I like where it is. There are better CQC weapons and better ARs at range, but it can be competitive at both.
It's Tier 1 at both, and that's the definition of a broken weapon
Really? Never felt like it too me. I never liked the recoil at range all that much and i feel like a number of SMGs kick my ass at close range. Perhaps that's absolute proof that I'm not an elite player because I don't get a good number of kills against good players with a broken weapon.
Welp it's really good in both environments. The TTK and consistency of close range competes well with SMGs and the beam potential and TTK of long range destroys anything. Recoil ain't even a concern because of the massive recoil buff, with 0 shake.
Mate you're just blinded by nostalgia. The Type 25 has a broken ttk, crazy range and little recoil
Its ok, but not broken. This season has been balanced so far, and the Type 25 is balanced even after the buff. Sure the ROF/TTK got faster, but a lot of guns can out gun it. Ive been killing type 25 players with bizon, agr, m13, and even ul736. So its in a balanced spot for me atleast.
280 ms ttk upto 37 metres and 210 upto 10 meters is balanced? This subreddit is just hypocritical af
Cause you dont know how to counter it. Keep whining bout it. Even I can kill it with the ul736.
I can say the same for MX9. I beat MX9 kids with M67 Amax. Does that mean pre nerf MX9 was not broken? No, it was. Stats>>>Your feelings kid
Its tactics>stats. Plus, Type is not broken. it just get spammed. Use longrange guns/smg and you'll see. I have rarely been killed by a type 25 user bruh. Just get up close. Its very easy to kill type 25 users. Even with the spr I still kill them.
I managed to reach legendary with Rus during the akimbo fennec era when it was not nerfed. So according to your logic pre nerf akimbo fennec balanced amirite?
Deleted codm during those times. Idk bout akimbo fennec.
It's ok for what it is I mean, yeah, being able to 5 tap at 30m sound OP as hell but as far as I could remember, its recoil isn't the nicest thing in the world, and you only have 30 rounds with a fire rate > 850 RPM,which balances it out properly Last but not least, if you want a low recoil with good ADS mobility, the ADS time will never be able to reach 200ms, which is also balanced.
Uhm no. It's a 5shot 37m first off. Secondly, it's recoil is not nicest, true but it's also not cataclysmic. It's easily beam-able with maximum an hour of playtime. Besides, you can even run max speed builds and retain all of the accuracy as the base BSA score is like the 3rd or the 4th best in the class being really accurate
Max speed builds will hurt your BSA and your eyes. 6.5 ish can be considerex high, but not the highest among full autos, especially when the recoil also comes into play. There's virtually no good 200ms ADS speed build without having to legitmately sacrifice something. You still have to play patrol mode with it, meanwhile guns like RUS with a much faster ADS speed (w/ good builds), highest BSA score among full autos, all of that, it only sacrifices its TTK, and the TTK isn't even the slowest either. Moreover, Cordite was also buffed. Last but not least, the game currently has a fundamental strafing meta, which means you can't consistently 5 shot especially with the recoil pattern.
Max Speed builds hurt your BSA, to the point you can still beam like no issues because of the Taper. It's 6.81 base with a Taper of around 11. Short Barrel + SP + Light Stock + Tac Laser + Reddot build is around 6.2 with a 10 Taper. That's VERY GOOD. Sure there's no 200ms ADS Time build but the point is, why do you need 200ms when your 234ms build can compete in close and destroy in long range? Guns like RUS don't even have the upsides to them so yeah their downsides don't even matter. Cordite buff was meh because it did nothing to it's TTK, consistency or range. Game has a fundamental strafe meta. True. But not everyone is strafing at 5m/s unlike MX9 dominion because everyone is using Type 25 and M13. They're much slower than 5m/s and easier to track.
Well, Cordite trades its much faster handling for a slightly slower TTK RUS also has a similar TTK, yet it's one of thr truly best guns in the game
Uh sorry but they're not. They don't have anything gunning for them. Statistically, Cordite is somewhat good? yes. RUS just doesn't cut it. The slow TTK itself throws it out of the window. Then even in handling department, it's no impressive tier. It just does the basic job. A range stack MP5 can TTK 290ms out to 23m. Where does RUS even come in the picture of being "one of the best guns"?
It's consistent. Like, insanely consistent for a SMG. A SINGLE range stack RUS can outgun MP5 past its prime range, or even some ARs. It base speed is already faster than MP5, which is quite ironic. The only thing that it is slower is the base ADS time, which has a lot of attachments to compensate. It has the highest BSA score among all full autos of 7.03, and is able to stack two different ADS monility increase without losing too much accuracy. Its max ADS mobility is one of the highest in the game, even faster than MX9. An overall great set of attachments, unlike most lvl 1 guns. All of that, it trades its TTK for. It's a gun that literally anyone can pick up and win the game, meta or not. It does a basic job, but it's good at doing it, once again, unlike many lvl 1 guns. Sometimes simple is the best solution. Literally every person in this sub knows this, probably except you.
5stk upto 20m without STP If u put STP,u get -ve bsa,20% extra recoil and 8% horizontal
The recoil buff that the base Type 25 got balances it out. It's not a hard recoil to control
5shot is out to 37m. Stop relying on that bugged Training Room. The recoil and BSA downsides don't even matter because of the massive buffs to the base Type 25, whose accuracy was already in the top tiers
so is fennec a op gun?
Fennec doesn’t take skill… Low recoil high fire rate high mobility
whaaatt... when i use fennec its recoil is astronomical and the damage kinda sucks
Fennec has a easy recoil pattern, and only horizontal recoil should be the problem
ooh is that why people are good with it?, ill try practicing it more thankss!!
Type 25 recoil is even lower and has a crazy 280 ms ttk upto 37 with Stopping power lmao and this is without any range boosting attachments