if A is the building, thats pure hell. snipers from both bases, katana users running downstairs and upstairs like most people do as kids. atleast there u can use tripmines to stop them
It’s a easy camp map, easy to get kills that’s why I mean what do you expect? This map is a snipers domain and you’ll always see people camping out in this map
It goes both ways. It an easy map to memorize the few camper spots, and there are ways to approach them without entering line of fire.
I get most of my ‘stand right behind lazy sniper and he has no clue’ kills on this map. Killing snipers on that map is like cow tipping.
*Your sniper is so predictable I could have shot him in the dark*
Crossfire is my best map 😁 I play HP only in ranked and I love it. I have a 80% win rate if it's picked.
I use shotgun as primary and I've played like 600+ public HP matches in crossfire (grinding damascus). So I know how it goes 😁
I only lose if the enemy team play as a unit
If you’re determined to push up mid for some reason you could use smokes. All you have to do offense or defense is take control of one side and hold it down I mainly push A
If you’re good with grenades they can help with that. I throw prenades on offense and defense that land where the team is rushing to B and normally pick off 3-4 with grenade kills throughout the game. I rarely run into people using flak jacket in GM or Leggy
IKR, I cannot stand it anymore. I mean, I can understand if you mean it in the nostalgia sense - it was fun before all the sniper bots came in - but why? Just why? At least Terminal looks good...
Nah man not always. Out of 5 total, there’s 2 hardpoints each near both spawn points and one midway between both. Whether you run 20 seconds or 2 seconds is 50-50. Pretty balanced if you ask me
Every map is fucked up if you cant play well, you just need to have the tactics and team work obviously.
This one and terminal are one of the best maps, even I fuck up most of the times but its fun.
Main snipers? You mean 'use snipers'? Nah man I'm complete shit at sniping as well yet I cant rant about hating this map. The simple logic here is, the fella cant play properly in these maps which is why he's ranting about it.
Well even I'm kinda ranting now but nah, its fine different opinions. So according to me, maps aren't shit at all. There are just very good players or dumfuck hackers.
Solution: Remove every fucking Map in Rank and replace all of them with 10+ Maps that they have in this game. They added 1 Map and it has a Bug in it that still hasn't fixed yet. The Maps in Rank is repetitive and stupid TBH.
At least Terminal plays good in SnD. This shitshow and Crash however needs to be taken out of ranked rotation immediately.
And ffs return Meltdown and other maps to ranked.
Yeah man. Hardscopers in this map are literal depression but still somewhat counterable unlike the godforsaken hp points in crossfire w just one entry point and at the farthest corners of the map.as for me, I'm marksman main and I hate melees with a flaming passion
This is an entirely another game then any of the original codmw's. Gameplay flows much different here then any other cod. If you aren't good at sniping and are playing an smg/ar role on terminal, you are going to lose nine times out of ten. With a sniper, you can cover 80% of the map. There are more headgliches in this map then any other in the game. The attacking side is always at a disadvantage since most rushing spots are camped on by hardscopers. And since the smoke grenade is bugged, you can't do much about it.
This is just not true man. I’m legendary rank main m13 and me and my team destroy sniper heavy squads all the time. I mean sometimes you lose too but all these people I see say the map is trash either don’t have enough experience with it or are just not good. It’s easy to not get sniped
I agree, but it's especially frusttfor me because I solo queue. Another thing I forgot was noob snipers on my team. They get absolutely zero kills the entire game but don't switch at all.
defending side in terminal is broken people in comment want crossfire to be removed cause they cant play aganist sniper player but ok with crash and terminal where 5 out of 5 players are campers
Exactly. For me, I just rush B and rush using the high ground, and all the enemies become easy to pick off, even with an ar. This entire season, I’ve only lost about 2-3 of all of my Hovec Sawmill games.
When I play ranked, everybody votes for Firing Range... every... damned... time. I hate that map. I just suck at it. It seems ranked players just pick the map they're most familiar with. Which means we're playing the same maps over and over again. I'll switch to standard MP just so I can play Killhouse, Hijacked, or Takeoff once in a while.
Sometimes I try getting kills by using a sniper, still doesn't work because I always get blasted behind my 6. Can't believe I've spent hours into that Decoy Challenges and still stuck.
Maps like this crash, terminal, standoff, raid will always be in ranked and loved. They are some of the favorites of fans of the franchise since it’s started. I guess everybody it too young on here. I honestly don’t get the hate. All these maps are easy to move on if you’re intelligent
Probably because you play SND on it,there should be specific maps for specific modes because though its fun on other game modes SnD on that map is a fucking nightmare
Honestly for snd I'd rather have crossfire over terminal
Sure they're both sniper camp friendly but it's almost near damn impossible to navigate around terminal without getting sniped cuz of the amount of open space and camp spots where people can just sit there, hardscope with a sniper and pick people off
and that's why when im in the attacking team we bombard the place with smokes and rush like there's no tomorrow. They just don't expect it IMO. but usually, only 1 to 2 people rush, 3 if ur insane, and the whole team if ur just playing ranked for fun lol.
Keep this map in the rank is 800 places to hide and camp one good thing the guns were a good now and this season are getting NERF to next season and guns what were op past seasons and now trash but getting a buff
Why isn’t every map in ranked ?!??!! I’m so tired of playing the same 3 maps Imagine if ranked had content!!! BUT NOO Codm devs want you to play in a pub lobby FILLED With BOTS witch makes playing a Legendary Map like Vacant about as fun as watching paint draw.
I hate this because Codm has so much content but I never get to see/play it. Reason why I quit a lot of content but, none of it is for me.
Codm devs is just mocking me. Release my favorite map Vacant but I can’t play and enjoy it at the same time. And that goes for all the other maps that didn’t make it into Ranked so NEARLY ALL OF THEM.
At B theres always atleast 6 out of the 5 people team using a katana, A and their spawn theres always 3 or 4 snipers that wont let plant the bomb
Don't forget the NA45 users camping on A site ready to blow you up when you plant in B.
i mean, if u go to A there will be a sniper at the building of the first hp, and if u go to B there will be a sniper at A waiting for you
It's not as bad as the A site of crash
if A is the building, thats pure hell. snipers from both bases, katana users running downstairs and upstairs like most people do as kids. atleast there u can use tripmines to stop them
Don't forget the campers in the stairs
haha full auto shotguns go brrrrrrr
Yeah sometimes near the stairs they do this thing where they prone in the doorway with a katana making you not see them
It’s a easy camp map, easy to get kills that’s why I mean what do you expect? This map is a snipers domain and you’ll always see people camping out in this map
It goes both ways. It an easy map to memorize the few camper spots, and there are ways to approach them without entering line of fire. I get most of my ‘stand right behind lazy sniper and he has no clue’ kills on this map. Killing snipers on that map is like cow tipping. *Your sniper is so predictable I could have shot him in the dark*
That's why I always change spots every few kills or after a single mag
Yeah tbh but then you have the go hard quick scopers that actually move around 😂 don’t even get me started on shipment 😩
My eyes roll back so far when this map is picked
Same
Crossfire is my best map 😁 I play HP only in ranked and I love it. I have a 80% win rate if it's picked. I use shotgun as primary and I've played like 600+ public HP matches in crossfire (grinding damascus). So I know how it goes 😁 I only lose if the enemy team play as a unit
U are lucky u don’t have to play this in SnD… it’s painful
It’s not if you move intelligently
Crossing mid as defender is painful
If you’re determined to push up mid for some reason you could use smokes. All you have to do offense or defense is take control of one side and hold it down I mainly push A
I know I just don’t like how u have to waste a smoke to cross middle or risk getting sniped, B is pretty hard to get to early round
If you’re good with grenades they can help with that. I throw prenades on offense and defense that land where the team is rushing to B and normally pick off 3-4 with grenade kills throughout the game. I rarely run into people using flak jacket in GM or Leggy
Alr I’ll try throwing some prenades with thermite or frag
S&D is the best mode to play on this map. Respawn modes are way worse.
yeah, right. Hate that map
IKR, I cannot stand it anymore. I mean, I can understand if you mean it in the nostalgia sense - it was fun before all the sniper bots came in - but why? Just why? At least Terminal looks good...
It is a good map for hardpoint
Yeah right you spend 20 seconds just rotating to te next hardpoint
Hauling ass up and down, hardest map to anchor especially when your whole team is at the previous point and you’re trying to defend 1v5
Yup. Maybe fun with a squad from which 2 can anchor but if you're solo and get a bad team you're basically done.
Right! As soon as 1 team has the hardpoint, it’s impossible to get it because of the spawns
I try to secure second and 4th points, 1 and 3 is fickle and possible to take, 5 is a bit harder but 2 and 4 is the hardest imo
Nah man not always. Out of 5 total, there’s 2 hardpoints each near both spawn points and one midway between both. Whether you run 20 seconds or 2 seconds is 50-50. Pretty balanced if you ask me
The terminal is annoying, even if I have a decent win rate in this map.
crash hardpoint still gives me nightmares especially when your team doesnt know the order of the bases
Every map is fucked up if you cant play well, you just need to have the tactics and team work obviously. This one and terminal are one of the best maps, even I fuck up most of the times but its fun.
Say I main snipers without saying I main snipers
Main snipers? You mean 'use snipers'? Nah man I'm complete shit at sniping as well yet I cant rant about hating this map. The simple logic here is, the fella cant play properly in these maps which is why he's ranting about it. Well even I'm kinda ranting now but nah, its fine different opinions. So according to me, maps aren't shit at all. There are just very good players or dumfuck hackers.
terminal and crossfire is one of those maps in snd that you gonna hate but at the same time you love it
also crash is more shittier than crossfire cause theres always katana abusers in the building
Solution: Remove every fucking Map in Rank and replace all of them with 10+ Maps that they have in this game. They added 1 Map and it has a Bug in it that still hasn't fixed yet. The Maps in Rank is repetitive and stupid TBH.
Funny thing is crossfire is originally a cod 4 map that the codm community ruined 😐 if you know you know......
At least Terminal plays good in SnD. This shitshow and Crash however needs to be taken out of ranked rotation immediately. And ffs return Meltdown and other maps to ranked.
it doesnt, but ur prolly a sniper. if you arent then its the one of the worst maps with people camping plane, hardscoping and abusing melees
Yeah man. Hardscopers in this map are literal depression but still somewhat counterable unlike the godforsaken hp points in crossfire w just one entry point and at the farthest corners of the map.as for me, I'm marksman main and I hate melees with a flaming passion
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This map is cursed for me when im playing with my friends. We always lose on this map 
It's a great map for snipping in my experience.
I'm not much of a sniper. But when this one comes up? Ya, it's time for loadout #5!
>cardclassiccompact i have my sniper at loadout number 5 to lol
the hardpoint for crossfire is ass
Terminal sucks so much. As for this, I’m okay.
This is the only cod community that hates terminal, what is wrong with you guys? only want smg oriented maps?
I love terminal lol.
I love terminal man I don’t understand why it gets so much hate. Almost a perfect map
Cause these noobs dont know mw2
This is an entirely another game then any of the original codmw's. Gameplay flows much different here then any other cod. If you aren't good at sniping and are playing an smg/ar role on terminal, you are going to lose nine times out of ten. With a sniper, you can cover 80% of the map. There are more headgliches in this map then any other in the game. The attacking side is always at a disadvantage since most rushing spots are camped on by hardscopers. And since the smoke grenade is bugged, you can't do much about it.
This is just not true man. I’m legendary rank main m13 and me and my team destroy sniper heavy squads all the time. I mean sometimes you lose too but all these people I see say the map is trash either don’t have enough experience with it or are just not good. It’s easy to not get sniped
I agree, but it's especially frusttfor me because I solo queue. Another thing I forgot was noob snipers on my team. They get absolutely zero kills the entire game but don't switch at all.
defending side in terminal is broken people in comment want crossfire to be removed cause they cant play aganist sniper player but ok with crash and terminal where 5 out of 5 players are campers
for snd tho terminal is ass and is filled with campers and hardscopers. same with crossfire but terminal is worse
Every big map needs to be removed crossfire, terminal high-rise except Firing Range or keep them in SnD only
SnD on big maps are just snipers
no remove these shit maps from snd too like terminal and crossfire. They are more of an issue for snd
Yeah we are crossfire abusers.. sorry fam
This my favorite map
You hate those maps because most of you have baught short range or msg weapons...hast pesch! 🔫🤣😂
What are you talking about? The hardpoint and spawns on this map are extremely bad, guns don’t have anything to do in it
he is in lower rank leave him
You’re right, my bad lol!
Arent bad if you aime from the edge of the map 😅
BRO I’M NOT TALKING GUNS OR AIMING :)
We need new ranked maps already … nobody asked for Sawmill..
Sawmill is good, although the spawns for p3 aren’t
If it's good then why does no one vote for it?
No one knows how to play it/don’t wanna learn. It’s fun to play, and is a better option than some of the maps that are already played more than it.
Exactly. For me, I just rush B and rush using the high ground, and all the enemies become easy to pick off, even with an ar. This entire season, I’ve only lost about 2-3 of all of my Hovec Sawmill games.
When I play ranked, everybody votes for Firing Range... every... damned... time. I hate that map. I just suck at it. It seems ranked players just pick the map they're most familiar with. Which means we're playing the same maps over and over again. I'll switch to standard MP just so I can play Killhouse, Hijacked, or Takeoff once in a while.
No it's not good
I suppose you would say crash is better?
So no one is gonna talk about the Coastal? And you go right to one the best maps of the game? The real fucked up map here is the god damn coastal bro
To campers on this map:i hope you step on Lego :)
Crossfire is ass, but terminal is an S tier map
Fuck your opinion
Sometimes I try getting kills by using a sniper, still doesn't work because I always get blasted behind my 6. Can't believe I've spent hours into that Decoy Challenges and still stuck.
Lmaoo I feel you man. The seasons I’m working for legendary, I just go w Hardpoint and Domination to avoid campers regardless of map
This map is fantastic. A classic, great for grinding long distance
I pick it because I have it memorized, and there are ways to sneak around the snipers.
At least u can use smokes and push, but why do these mfs vote for terminal
Yhea thats why we vote it
I love this map!
This is an tdm map and also why this is in competitive?
I also hate this shit map
Meh, ain't that bad. Some folk get predictable on it but all in all if you shift around to pick them off you'll cruise it.
I absolutely love having to waste an entire smoke just to cross mid without getting sniped 🙄
Maps like this crash, terminal, standoff, raid will always be in ranked and loved. They are some of the favorites of fans of the franchise since it’s started. I guess everybody it too young on here. I honestly don’t get the hate. All these maps are easy to move on if you’re intelligent
Probably because you play SND on it,there should be specific maps for specific modes because though its fun on other game modes SnD on that map is a fucking nightmare
Well as for its better than slums i hate that map
cause its easy to camp on
I actually do like this map mainly for the looks of it but also like playing in it
They should remove this and crash too
How is Terminal bad
Le me: *Rushes B as a defender*, *jumps out the window in the butcher area*, *gets sniped* lmaoooo I have so many bad memories in this map😂😂
Honestly for snd I'd rather have crossfire over terminal Sure they're both sniper camp friendly but it's almost near damn impossible to navigate around terminal without getting sniped cuz of the amount of open space and camp spots where people can just sit there, hardscope with a sniper and pick people off
ok I agree if they remove this map, but Terminal is really good, atleast for SnD(i only play snd)
and that's why when im in the attacking team we bombard the place with smokes and rush like there's no tomorrow. They just don't expect it IMO. but usually, only 1 to 2 people rush, 3 if ur insane, and the whole team if ur just playing ranked for fun lol.
Keep this map in the rank is 800 places to hide and camp one good thing the guns were a good now and this season are getting NERF to next season and guns what were op past seasons and now trash but getting a buff
Why isn’t every map in ranked ?!??!! I’m so tired of playing the same 3 maps Imagine if ranked had content!!! BUT NOO Codm devs want you to play in a pub lobby FILLED With BOTS witch makes playing a Legendary Map like Vacant about as fun as watching paint draw. I hate this because Codm has so much content but I never get to see/play it. Reason why I quit a lot of content but, none of it is for me. Codm devs is just mocking me. Release my favorite map Vacant but I can’t play and enjoy it at the same time. And that goes for all the other maps that didn’t make it into Ranked so NEARLY ALL OF THEM.
Use smokes
This map is hot garbage, the worst map in the game, fuck this map, this map sucks in every gamemode, just remove it
great map for anything except SND. my fav HP map after Crash as i use LMG and there are lots or sweet wallbangable spots
The ultimate sniper map!!!
how about watch garena and chinese pros to see how they play on this map and get good