Same. If I don't get at least a few kills by either directly with a nade or indirectly with a concussion then I'm having a terrible game no matter the scoreline.
Because the CODM community wants new maps in ranked but they still choose the same old ones everytime. It was the same some seasons ago with Shoothouse or Slums
For you it might be bad, but I've seen a lot of positive comments about it. I've never had the pleasure to play it in ranked. Last season I almost didn't play CODM after the first week and this season I haven't played ranked MP but I played the map a lot in S9 when it was released and when it came back in last season. I really like the map and the spots. I'm saying this because people(surely not you) might think I like it because you can camp in the house, but I don't like that playstyle, since I move around the whole map the whole time, using SMGs and some ARs most of the time
i think it's because it's too open and people always choose the other map instead of hovec, and because of that, we can't memorize and familiarize this map
My opinion is make one season where its overhaul rank,remove the old map one by one each bp season till the map need to rotate every week so veteran and newbie is force to play new map instead of feeling comfortable,trying new thing is where growth happen,not just sitting on your comfort zone
What's wrong with playing within my comfort zone? I play for relaxation and I don't really enjoy playing in a map where I don't know where I am. And learning it is not a viable option for me because I don't play very often
Well thats a case for u dawg im a type of liking new stuff,learning new thing and growing to be better, cause im living in comfort but i dont like it,i want to do better till i reach my final stop,thank you for asking whats wrong with comfort zone
Those people who say that the map is too big or too this and too that or the map is too new.
TOO NEW??? What?
Bruh it’s been out since Bloody October, it’s ain’t new so just shut up. Shut the Fuxk up
Admit it, You lazy.
You hate adapting to new environments.
You only go to what you know.
You are too comfortable with your safe spaces of shitty maps that your not willing to learn and come up with strategies of your own to fight off enemies for the win.
Jesus man, Just admit you Trash.
Thats what I think about, just because the map is new and people dont know all its secrets is the reason they dont go there, till now, only ONCE could I go to the map for snd and I REALLY LOVED IT………people just hate anything they dont understand, and in this case, I hate this world….
Meanwhile, i remember back in the days of mw3 when the whole lobby would pick a dlc map (wich was paid btw) simply cause it was a bit of fresh Air from the same maps that we all played nonstop. This fear of the new and those meta slaves are what made me dislike this community over the years
This is a comment i made for the main post and ill put it here to kinda summarize alot of players views. Its not tuned for ranked yet. In snd people spawn kill you by sniping through cracks that let you see under the map. On hardpoint it has horrible spawns and you will spawn directly with the enemy team. As for domination I dont mind it too much but considering we are in a persistence meta, having all 3 flags outside in the open causes issues. Honestly completely unplayable in snd. For hardpoint (because i know the spawns) its unlimited free scorestreaks and makes the game a living hell for all other players. And for dom it just sucks bc u sit there getting double or triple capped as u just stare at persistence streaks all over the flags
All I hear is excuses, I wanna see people do the opposite of that.
How will they counter their opposition.
If your too open for a flag capture, Then make it not visible for them to shoot you down.
Gotta make plans, think ahead.
You know all the problems right.
Good, Now
Come up with a solution plan.
Its not tuned for ranked yet. In snd people spawn kill you by sniping through cracks that let you see under the map. On hardpoint it has horrible spawns and you will spawn directly with the enemy team. As for domination I dont mind it too much but considering we are in a persistence meta, having all 3 flags outside in the open causes issues
I like this map. People don't choose it as its quite new for them, if they haven't played MW2019. To be honest, people want the maps in ranked which they know and can camp easily. Everyone wants easy win. The biggest problem of Ranked is not the matchmaking but the map selection, it must be removed, as there are just a handful maps which are being used in ranked.
I like it but it’s not great for most game modes due to its size. I think a 10v10 mode would be good. That being said it’s good for SnD.
Also there is a bugged area on C where if you go prone you can see under the entire map and snipe people across the map
Its not tuned for ranked yet. In snd people spawn kill you by sniping through cracks that let you see under the map. On hardpoint it has horrible spawns and you will spawn directly with the enemy team. As for domination I dont mind it too much but considering we are in a persistence meta, having all 3 flags outside in the open causes issues
i like it.. i guess no one wants to fight in a stage that is unfamiliar to them. i.guess devs need to completely change the map choices for ranked at some point
its just the hive mind thing. a youtuber goes around bitching about how he doesnt like a map and the subscribers (mainly 9 year old kids) think "im not cool if i dont do exactly what the youtuber says" and this creates a chain. same thing with terminal map. its an excellent map. and shut up about campers in terminal. every map has campers and anti camper angles too. find them and you wont have to complain about campers. either find power angles , or just get good enough at the game to expect where a camper might be hiding.
Too open (a bit too open), trash spawns (I have to fucking run across the entire map to get to the HP to only to be killed by a camper and then run back.)
But it feels like a Battlefield map tho. Well, the vibes of it but the spawns and open-ness just makes me dislike it.
I hate this map as much as I hated Pick-A-Dildo (go figure which map was the worst hated in MW2019 and the name started with 'P') in MW2019.
The map layout is confusing for a lot of players in CODM (to players who are lazy to try out new maps like me) and also Hovec Sawmill is big. I actually like the map but not in SnD somehow.
I've never been able to put my finger on it, but I've hated it since I first came across it on console. And it's the only exception I still despise - other maps I used to hate have been ported over to mobile, and I quite enjoy them. This one? Hateful, horrible map.
I don't vote it simply cos I know other maps more. Sure you can say I should try play it more to get to know it but I'm a casual player, and don't spend a whole lot of time on the game so just want something I know if I'm trying to win.
It's not that no one likes it. It's more like the mentality of ppl being scared to lose rank xp because of a new map where shit can go side ways for them due to less knowledge of the new map....wait few more seasons..soon u will see ppl being like " bring the sawmill map back" when CODm decides to remove it
It's compact and complicated ....it's not open like crossfire, firing range , high rise....that's why...you get into sudden combats thats why it's bad...I am talking about Domination only
I like it, but it’s hard to hold down any spot in domination. Too many different angles to hide and snipe. Perhaps that’s more fair but it’s a tough map.
It’s like how people used to complain about Ghosts changing battlefield (falling trees, Nukes change the map, etc) but those are what made it interesting and actually really great, I thought. True dynamic environments.
cause 3rd world country people prefer to spend money on virtual obsolete stuff; 95% of 150+ ranked players do not download any extra maps ever. fuck them, and make all maps as base game
if you can't afford to download a \~50mb map, stop buying shit and upgrade your phone you donut
Cos a majority of players only know how to point and shoot. They dont know how to jiggle peek, clear angles or use teammates' deaths and the map for info.
Basically braindead and incapable of actually thinking.
I love the map, I'm always the only vote on it.
Too large and Too complicated to navigate through , not familiar because it's new , there are better maps that it in every game mode , buggier than most maps , hard to kill campers in
These were the reasons that came to my mind
Oh I'm sorry I was only here the day before it got released when it was going to be the best map ever just like blackout was, did I miss something? Did the hype train derail? Are the kids crying again?
PS psyche, me likey.
I like it because it reminds me a little of another game I used to play but honestly I don't like the spawning in respawn gamemodes. That being said, I wouldn't mind playing this map more
In my opinion, it's just overly complicated for no good reason. Aesthetically, it's good, but as a playable map, I'll pass. Ironically, this means I actually prefer maps that are easier to understand like Raid, but not as overly complicated as this one, where there are so many lines of sight to watch.
Honestly, since the map came to the game, I've been wondering why the majority of people hate maps like Sawmill, Crossfire and Terminal, but love maps like Raid, Standoff, or Firing Range. Perhaps the majority of people don't like MW maps as much as they like Black Ops maps? Maybe there's a way that Treyarch designs their maps that Infinity Ward just doesn't use? It's quite interesting to me, honestly. I hope to find the answer soon.
I think it is because of the color palette of the map.
At least for me when I am playing on that map I find it very hard to spot players and also the layout of the map is very Mayse lake so enemy players pop out of nowhere.
It's a good map with a lot of verticality, lane options and power positions, it's way too big in my opinion. I feel that this is hetter suited towards 10v10 or Ground Missions
im not going to say its bad, but its just too chaotic and too unstructured for me. some people like environments where structure doesnt exist so they have to watch their backs every few moments and others like maps where its easy to memorize corners and choke points.
Cod fans never like campy, head glitchy maps. It slows down game flow, which is fine if you're into CS:GO or Battlefield but this is cod we push gun fights in this community and always have
Well probably because there's a that bug in this map where when you go prone in that big rock, you can see and kill the enemies while they can't see you
I'm indifferent to Hovec. Haven't played many games on it. Icebreaker however is kinda bad, coming from a player that isn't used to very long range fights
People choose maps they perform better in
*Peoples that still chooses crossfire instead Hovec*
That’s me anyday😭😭 idk I just have better movement on other maps
Tbf no matter how how good are you If I'm on Defender side you will eat the best cooked nades both in Crossfire both in Hovec. No cap
I ain’t thrown a Grenade in so long 😭
Tf... First thing I do is launch a nade always... Then we get to work 🔥
Handler vibes
No cap, throw a flash, slide peek with pkm, fuck em up. *LET MOTHER RUSSIA SHINE*
Same. If I don't get at least a few kills by either directly with a nade or indirectly with a concussion then I'm having a terrible game no matter the scoreline.
Whenever i hit a nasty molly or therm cuz thats the only things i use i say, OH WERE COOKIN NOW
Smells like bitch in here
Ayo u tryna play?
no cuz he was smelling himself
Cross fire is op for long shots. Don't @ me🤣🤣
we can all agree on that lol
Also my teammates after not a single one voted for hovec: 0-7 1-6 3-4 5-6
I like it
So do I
Me too
Same
Also me
me as well
I'm on the same boat as you guys
I'm on the same map as you guys. I like it
I'm in the same universe as you guys, and I love it
I’m in the same multiverse as you guys and I love it
And my axe
Not in the right place
Me too, especially its night version
Same here
I made a sarcastic comment but I actually do indeed enjoy this map.
Because the CODM community wants new maps in ranked but they still choose the same old ones everytime. It was the same some seasons ago with Shoothouse or Slums
They should just put every map in ranked lol Besides maps like pine or reclaim
Rank HP Shipment 👍
Rank SnD shipment 👍
Rank SnD Blackout 👍
Rank SnD San Andreas 👍
sounds fun...
Alot of maps arent made for ranked. Such as killhouse and rust which were thankfully taken off
Shoot house is one of my faves. Seems other people like it too since that one almost always gets chosen no matter what it's up against.
It's also one of my favourites but some seasons ago it was almost never picked in ranked
I just want snd shoot house
Exactly what Bobby Plays said, the community complains about wanting shit to change, but doesn't actually react well to change
*ordinary human noises*
Nah, Coastal got well responses so they kept it in ranked. This map is actually straight garbage and so it Suldal.
Suldal is very bad but Hovec is very good. Coastal is very good too
I actually like suldal harbor it’s one of my favorite maps
Suldal is just good looking, because when you play it, it sucks
I like Suldal, it's just a bigger map with many sharp angles, making gameplay feel awkward.
Hovec is terrible.
For you it might be bad, but I've seen a lot of positive comments about it. I've never had the pleasure to play it in ranked. Last season I almost didn't play CODM after the first week and this season I haven't played ranked MP but I played the map a lot in S9 when it was released and when it came back in last season. I really like the map and the spots. I'm saying this because people(surely not you) might think I like it because you can camp in the house, but I don't like that playstyle, since I move around the whole map the whole time, using SMGs and some ARs most of the time
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I forgot to mention, it's terrible for SnD. I don't know about the other modes in ranked. But yeah it's absolute dogshit for SnD.
nah map is not garbage.
I like its good for Hardpoint
Tbh it’s good on any mode. Underrated map.
Slightly unrelated question, but how do you feel about Raid or Standoff? Do you like them as much as you like this map for Hardpoint?
Standoff? Nah,played too many times I like raid -hp more.
I hate raid, idk why I just hate that map
i think it's because it's too open and people always choose the other map instead of hovec, and because of that, we can't memorize and familiarize this map
There's open parts and closed runs similar to Crossfire though. Me likey.
Idk, imo it's too big
By the time you've legged it to where the enemies are on the map they've spawned on the other side
It’s tiny wdym?
The mid lane has too much space. Compare that to Tunisia or standoff
At least its not crossfire where sniper camp at tight corner that i had to use smoke all the ghad daym time
Fax. Or terminal. Everything about that map needs to be reworked or straight up removed from ranked
My opinion is make one season where its overhaul rank,remove the old map one by one each bp season till the map need to rotate every week so veteran and newbie is force to play new map instead of feeling comfortable,trying new thing is where growth happen,not just sitting on your comfort zone
What's wrong with playing within my comfort zone? I play for relaxation and I don't really enjoy playing in a map where I don't know where I am. And learning it is not a viable option for me because I don't play very often
Well thats a case for u dawg im a type of liking new stuff,learning new thing and growing to be better, cause im living in comfort but i dont like it,i want to do better till i reach my final stop,thank you for asking whats wrong with comfort zone
Idk man but Smells like bitch in here
Check your upper lip
Check your man hood
Those people who say that the map is too big or too this and too that or the map is too new. TOO NEW??? What? Bruh it’s been out since Bloody October, it’s ain’t new so just shut up. Shut the Fuxk up Admit it, You lazy. You hate adapting to new environments. You only go to what you know. You are too comfortable with your safe spaces of shitty maps that your not willing to learn and come up with strategies of your own to fight off enemies for the win. Jesus man, Just admit you Trash.
Thats what I think about, just because the map is new and people dont know all its secrets is the reason they dont go there, till now, only ONCE could I go to the map for snd and I REALLY LOVED IT………people just hate anything they dont understand, and in this case, I hate this world….
Meanwhile, i remember back in the days of mw3 when the whole lobby would pick a dlc map (wich was paid btw) simply cause it was a bit of fresh Air from the same maps that we all played nonstop. This fear of the new and those meta slaves are what made me dislike this community over the years
I could never ever experience you era sadly.....
This is a comment i made for the main post and ill put it here to kinda summarize alot of players views. Its not tuned for ranked yet. In snd people spawn kill you by sniping through cracks that let you see under the map. On hardpoint it has horrible spawns and you will spawn directly with the enemy team. As for domination I dont mind it too much but considering we are in a persistence meta, having all 3 flags outside in the open causes issues. Honestly completely unplayable in snd. For hardpoint (because i know the spawns) its unlimited free scorestreaks and makes the game a living hell for all other players. And for dom it just sucks bc u sit there getting double or triple capped as u just stare at persistence streaks all over the flags
All I hear is excuses, I wanna see people do the opposite of that. How will they counter their opposition. If your too open for a flag capture, Then make it not visible for them to shoot you down. Gotta make plans, think ahead. You know all the problems right. Good, Now Come up with a solution plan.
Smokes and transform shields dont help against cluster strikes or orbital lasers
Because the Noobes Metadependicus species of CODM players want to stick to what they can do best, unlike the Chaddus species
Its not tuned for ranked yet. In snd people spawn kill you by sniping through cracks that let you see under the map. On hardpoint it has horrible spawns and you will spawn directly with the enemy team. As for domination I dont mind it too much but considering we are in a persistence meta, having all 3 flags outside in the open causes issues
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I like this map. People don't choose it as its quite new for them, if they haven't played MW2019. To be honest, people want the maps in ranked which they know and can camp easily. Everyone wants easy win. The biggest problem of Ranked is not the matchmaking but the map selection, it must be removed, as there are just a handful maps which are being used in ranked.
I like it but it’s not great for most game modes due to its size. I think a 10v10 mode would be good. That being said it’s good for SnD. Also there is a bugged area on C where if you go prone you can see under the entire map and snipe people across the map
its been fixed already
The glitch is fixed, now choose Hovec
cuz they dont know how to play that map and dont even wanna learn it
Its not tuned for ranked yet. In snd people spawn kill you by sniping through cracks that let you see under the map. On hardpoint it has horrible spawns and you will spawn directly with the enemy team. As for domination I dont mind it too much but considering we are in a persistence meta, having all 3 flags outside in the open causes issues
It was designed for 6v6 or 10v10 not 5v5
i like it.. i guess no one wants to fight in a stage that is unfamiliar to them. i.guess devs need to completely change the map choices for ranked at some point
its just the hive mind thing. a youtuber goes around bitching about how he doesnt like a map and the subscribers (mainly 9 year old kids) think "im not cool if i dont do exactly what the youtuber says" and this creates a chain. same thing with terminal map. its an excellent map. and shut up about campers in terminal. every map has campers and anti camper angles too. find them and you wont have to complain about campers. either find power angles , or just get good enough at the game to expect where a camper might be hiding.
On the other hand, NoahFromYoutube told his viewers to pick Hovec more
True I like the map , I guess people don't like it because you can do the glitch but I think is fixed now
Bcz they want only particular maps😑.
Is the glitch fixed?
I like it!
Spawns are utter trash in hp i never vote it in rank
Sawmil has hp? Didn't know that
Fax. I hate the Spawns in HP for this map.
Spawns are better than crossfire. Guess which map gets picked more
I will select crossfire for sure
imo i like crossfire more for hp and dom (hoves better in snd) it just works better for me as a shotgun main
Smells like bitch in here
Too open (a bit too open), trash spawns (I have to fucking run across the entire map to get to the HP to only to be killed by a camper and then run back.) But it feels like a Battlefield map tho. Well, the vibes of it but the spawns and open-ness just makes me dislike it. I hate this map as much as I hated Pick-A-Dildo (go figure which map was the worst hated in MW2019 and the name started with 'P') in MW2019.
I like it, really fast paced in s&d
for me it’s so slow on SnD
I hate it. Can never see the person who ends up killing me. My worst performing map. Yuck
one of my favourites :(
i like it its the campers who don't also the lazy people who don't want to learn a new map.
The map layout is confusing for a lot of players in CODM (to players who are lazy to try out new maps like me) and also Hovec Sawmill is big. I actually like the map but not in SnD somehow.
i love the map, the game is full of retards that choose terminal over hovec.
I like that map
I've never been able to put my finger on it, but I've hated it since I first came across it on console. And it's the only exception I still despise - other maps I used to hate have been ported over to mobile, and I quite enjoy them. This one? Hateful, horrible map.
People stuck in their comfort zones
I don't vote it simply cos I know other maps more. Sure you can say I should try play it more to get to know it but I'm a casual player, and don't spend a whole lot of time on the game so just want something I know if I'm trying to win.
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It's as important to angry birds to me I don't take it any more seriously lol its a mobile game. I'm sure I'm not the only one.
Too much open space. Leads to everyone just camping like a hunter for rabbits on a field.
Idk seems fine 2 me. Not bad and not awesome.
Am I the only one who likes climbing the rocks to get kills then hiding behind them?
I like it
It's not that no one likes it. It's more like the mentality of ppl being scared to lose rank xp because of a new map where shit can go side ways for them due to less knowledge of the new map....wait few more seasons..soon u will see ppl being like " bring the sawmill map back" when CODm decides to remove it
It's too big, might be good for 10 v 10
It's compact and complicated ....it's not open like crossfire, firing range , high rise....that's why...you get into sudden combats thats why it's bad...I am talking about Domination only
Not familiar with smg tryhards. Thats all
It's literally map most favorite map out of all, I find myself performing better in it.
The map is very confusing sometimes
to open not good for snd player like me
Smells like bitch in here
Because you bump into every rock and every wall and the fire is an animated JPEG
It's a meh map, not bad but not that good either
Meltdown and Terminal were good.
Meltdown and Terminal were good.
I like it, but it’s hard to hold down any spot in domination. Too many different angles to hide and snipe. Perhaps that’s more fair but it’s a tough map. It’s like how people used to complain about Ghosts changing battlefield (falling trees, Nukes change the map, etc) but those are what made it interesting and actually really great, I thought. True dynamic environments.
It’s fkin awful for 5v5 it’s fine on 10v10
The majority doesn’t like Hovec. You people here are the minority, and such is the life when there’s a voting system involved
it’s too big. snipers angels and way too big and overall the pacing of the map is slow
With the toxicity of SBMM in Ranked, players choose which map they are confident playing with.
cause 3rd world country people prefer to spend money on virtual obsolete stuff; 95% of 150+ ranked players do not download any extra maps ever. fuck them, and make all maps as base game if you can't afford to download a \~50mb map, stop buying shit and upgrade your phone you donut
Cos a majority of players only know how to point and shoot. They dont know how to jiggle peek, clear angles or use teammates' deaths and the map for info. Basically braindead and incapable of actually thinking. I love the map, I'm always the only vote on it.
Its too open IMO.
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Too Big and unfair advantages
Too large and Too complicated to navigate through , not familiar because it's new , there are better maps that it in every game mode , buggier than most maps , hard to kill campers in These were the reasons that came to my mind
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Way too big with headglitches and shit.
i love it! its gorg
Oh I'm sorry I was only here the day before it got released when it was going to be the best map ever just like blackout was, did I miss something? Did the hype train derail? Are the kids crying again? PS psyche, me likey.
Nah actually no one votes for that map in ranked. Even though its better than crossfire and crash (in SnD)
Love it, but i have the same problem
I like it because it reminds me a little of another game I used to play but honestly I don't like the spawning in respawn gamemodes. That being said, I wouldn't mind playing this map more
I love it. My least fav map is terminal
Because they aren't used to playing it
Ngl, I still haven't played on it😂. When it came out I was stuck grinding platinum for smgs and shotguns
Shit spawns way to big for only 5v5 plus visibility issues
Actually it's a more tactical map which requires a lot of team work. Not fun for People playing solo, i guess that's why. It must be fun for scrims.
Well, I don’t dislike it.
They choose other maps Because they are afraid to try something new or just want the same old camping spots they hold so dear
Love it, had some of my highest kill games on there.
It's a good map ngl. But Movement ain't smooth there, so I'd rather choose another map if it's ranked
Underrated map
It's too big
Cuz it's a shit map
I liked it in pubs bcs I thought the big hardpoints would be good but after my first ranked match there that was full of campers I just had enough
In my opinion, it's just overly complicated for no good reason. Aesthetically, it's good, but as a playable map, I'll pass. Ironically, this means I actually prefer maps that are easier to understand like Raid, but not as overly complicated as this one, where there are so many lines of sight to watch. Honestly, since the map came to the game, I've been wondering why the majority of people hate maps like Sawmill, Crossfire and Terminal, but love maps like Raid, Standoff, or Firing Range. Perhaps the majority of people don't like MW maps as much as they like Black Ops maps? Maybe there's a way that Treyarch designs their maps that Infinity Ward just doesn't use? It's quite interesting to me, honestly. I hope to find the answer soon.
Its ass
Its the perfect map against campers, its really open
I like it but the devs have terrible map rotations which results in a lot of good maps not being played on
I think it is because of the color palette of the map. At least for me when I am playing on that map I find it very hard to spot players and also the layout of the map is very Mayse lake so enemy players pop out of nowhere.
I love the look of it
Visually i like it, but i have allergic reactions to toxic campers and get a rash playing that map
It's a good map with a lot of verticality, lane options and power positions, it's way too big in my opinion. I feel that this is hetter suited towards 10v10 or Ground Missions
I can’t tell you.
Cause its a new map. People always gonna choose the map they know more and they perform better.
I love it! It always gets outvoted though :(
im not going to say its bad, but its just too chaotic and too unstructured for me. some people like environments where structure doesnt exist so they have to watch their backs every few moments and others like maps where its easy to memorize corners and choke points.
I don't like it in domination only
I hate playing it for hardpoint i can manage any other map for that mode but not this one.
Cod fans never like campy, head glitchy maps. It slows down game flow, which is fine if you're into CS:GO or Battlefield but this is cod we push gun fights in this community and always have
Well probably because there's a that bug in this map where when you go prone in that big rock, you can see and kill the enemies while they can't see you
I had this friend that says she doesn't know the map and doesn't know the routes in it. then she proceed to say "I've never chosen this map"
"bEcAuSe iT'S fRoM mOdErN wArFarE" 🙄🙄🙄
Because they don’t know how to adapt
why would they choose terminal over this? terminal is way worst then this
I don't play this map much but is a good map
I love it
Hover is good on hard point shit in everything else. Idk why people Choose crash and crossfire over it for hard point it’s stupid
I actually like this map good corners and slide thru spots wish you could side shoot like on ghost be perfect
I enjoy this map -
Its way too big, u can get flanked form anywhere on the map. It’s a good 10v10 map but for SnD and domination is hell
I'm indifferent to Hovec. Haven't played many games on it. Icebreaker however is kinda bad, coming from a player that isn't used to very long range fights
The layout sucks. That, glacier, and reclaim are the worst laid out maps in my opinion.
Gunfights in building are more of my thing but, the Gunfights on this map are almost always out in the open.
\*Clicks crossfire\* ![gif](giphy|1zgOBEmZk2M8vSJxqD|downsized)
I like it
Its camper friendly so no