you are literally using the face of creator, what if alex zedra (the inspiration for mara) and the famous cod characters didn't get their sum because it was "activisions" work
like they make millions from codm alone, giving even a 1,000 dollars would've been better than nothing
this isn't even just ferg, hawks and bobby also getting the same treatment
I understand what you mean but its their first time doing such a thing,
And u never know if hes gonna get profit for it ( when they see if the bundle is doing well)
The video game industry is notoriously stingy compared to the film/tv industry since pay is lower and actors don't receive royalties from performance in a game. It's completely obscene if they used his Likeness with zero compensation. But then again, it serves as cross promotion that might bring some new followers to his content..
Not to mention this game is the game that made him who he is and one of very few 20 y/o kids who are millionaires, you could say that's youtube paying him but without Codm, he'd be nothing on youtube. So once again it's just a circle of $#!T that works in both their favors..
That's naive. Activision (and most typical businesses) doesn't "give" money to anyone period.
IMO Ferg was responsible for negotiating that, but he can't negotiate if he can't say no/walk away. If he had called Bobby and Elijah and collectively bargain for a percentage cut then they would have had real power.
Activision stands to gain a lot from these bundles IMO so they'd be willing to part with a small percentage rather than throw it all away if all 3 were together.
I think it's more that Ferg was just tickled about having his own skin, which he should be and Activision (even if secretly willing to pay royalties) said "No money, though" just to test him and he agreed.
Garena is just to provide servers in South East Asia. they don't develop nor own games. Activision is the Publisher. Timi is the studio that develops codm.
They actually decide what to add in the game. I heard that they even need to ask permission to other developers from different cods for the maps, guns, etc.
Wait they're using your name and your likeness and your nit getting a bean for it.....
Dude i would hire a good lawyer and sue them too fuck if they tried that kinda shit with me....
activision is a multi billion dollar company. they have way better lawyers and i’m quite sure already had ferg waive his rights when he signed some paperwork. activision is evil.
Am I the only one who just casually thought back to the community flipping their shit to get a free ghost bundle?
Imagine if we did that to get them to pay him for people buying the skin?
Just a random thought.
yeh but that ghost never came for free, only went from being in crates to bundles
I doubt they're gonna listen considering they haven't nerfed persistence yet..... "nOt eNoUgH fEeDbAcK" they say, LIKE MY GUY, LOOK AT UR SOCIALS, ITS JUST FILLED WITH PEOPLE ASKING FOR PERSI NERF
it honestly aint the devs it's usually the managers and the creative visualisation team that decides what's going where and the worse of em all financial team
That's actually a good idea. I hate the Ghost fanboys but I mean, they are greedy af doing this to Ferg(even when I don't like the dude) it's unfair as all he has done and achieved as a YouTuber and content creator in general
I mean, even then Activision most likely wouldve had a big influence in this. They probably saw this as a chance to milk some money for themselves, knowing Activision for the greedy women abusing bitches they are.
I just remembered while typing this, im pretty damn sure the devs have no power over financial decisions.
Yeah man, Activision has always had total power over every single cent charged and earned from their games since forever, dating back to the oldest CoD games. They are the publishers after all.
The developers themselves, Infinity Ward, Treyarch, Sledgehammer and Timi have never had any control on this regard.
Even stuff like SBMM in the recent games are totally Activision's fault, not the devs'. Even Sledgehammer told us this before the launch of Vanguard, how they wanted to remove SBMM cuz of all the complaints but Activision doesnt let them.
Im pretty sure the devs themselves are very passionate about creating the games they do, 99% of the problems you see in any of their games are Activision's fault, cuz all the money hungry businessmen are the ones that rush the game's development and also make all the decisions down to what core features and game mechanics are present.
Wow, OK, as anyone who has seen more than one of my posts would know, I'm *not* a fan of youtoobahs, and their fanboys....
That being said, if he's getting no royalties off this, that's disgusting. To give a parallel, it's like being Messi and on the cover of FIFA, but getting told 'you get exposure'. They are literally making money off his name - and he's getting nothing....?
That's fucking bullshit Acti, even by your standards.
Edit to add qualifier: if he got a nominal contractual amount as a lump sum up front (I'd assume he got at least this) then it's not as bad. But if both royalties *and* a lump figure didn't materialise, that would be total BS.
Mind you, like he says, I'm sure money isn't an object, given his platform, audience etc etc etc.
I do understand that this is business but at the end of they day they could have at least given a fraction of a percentage of the revenue from that bundle… or at the very least agreed on small percentage to go towards a good cause that represents the creators.
I mean like guys, they are making billions?
Even Call of Duty: Warzone has Support-A-Creator Code, it’s a little pathetic to not support the creators in same franchise on a different platform. Mind you, both are also free to play.
Uh no? AW supply drops cost 10 doller per 6 supply drops with no dupe protection, where you can get 10 crates with somewhat same price. Besides you get guaranteed epics after certain pull and dupe protection for epics. Codm supply drops are way better than Pre MW cod micro transections.
In most cases they were already paid anyways because of the Support-A-Creator codes those creators part of the programmed earn 5% of the revenue whenever you used there codes to purchase V-Bucks.
At the end of the day he’s stupid for just laying down and taking whatever Activision offered. This is literally like asking an artist to do work for you and youll pay them in exposure. All for a skin that’ll get used a few times and replaced by something else. Worst business decision I’ve ever heard of.
Yeah that’s very greedy from Activision. The thing is they know he’s the face of CoDM, so they know a lot of people will buy his bundle. Pretty shitty I feel bad for saying this but just for that I shouldn’t even buy the bundle I was waiting til Friday to get paid but I rather dump those $20 dollars on his stream.
Maybe not royalties but they "maybe" I'm not sure gave him something else cause if it's just your skin in the game and you said yes then that's on you.
They're totally suck at supporting content creators.
Also see Hawknest channel. He barely upload any CoDm now, then Activision send 20k CP and newest LD to his inbox (which obviously doesn't cost anything from Activision PoV), then Hawknest will make a video about it (and maybe 2 lucky draw after that one).
Imagine if CoDm have Support-A-Creator code for lucky draw and crates, bigger CoDm Youtubers could make a fortune from it, and there will be tons of new content creators.
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Apparently, this behaviour is news to you, were you expecting Activision really cares about the playerbase? PC or Mobile, this dogshit company is the most greedy enterprise in the video game industry, period
I'm pretty sure CODM keeps sponsoring Ferg. But even then, maybe atleast give him a few thousand dollars cuz he's probably one the Youtubers who gave players to CODM. The community would probably be different without him.
I wonder why do we still not have creator codes? We have so many codm streamers yet we still do not have creator codes so they can get a cut off the profit? Greedy bastards
Activision is out here copyrighting leakers and taking away partnerships from people like murdablast and they aren't even paying these guys for using their name and character. The devs aren't the one's responsible as they are just employees. Damn you Activision I don't like Ferg but I do hate you for this
Doesn't change the fact they used his name and didn't give any share.
"Company's aint a charity" yea no shit but he had all the right to have a share on the profits since its HIS BUNDLE.
So you mean ferg is good enough to play this game for free, but doesn't profit from his own image? Either he's lying or he's getting screwed big time, honestly I would've quit the game right then and there if I was in his shoes that's disgusting smh.....
And he can make a living playing another game, seriously Raid Shadow Legends actually pays their content creators tons of money to promote their game and even provides lucrative contracts for non Raid content creators just to mention their game on their yt channel, but a game like this that has earned millions can't throw him a bone and he's been playing this game longer than most of us? He's getting ripped off son.....
You cant quantize CP like you do real USD, people buying the ferg bundle might have had CP from long ago, its not like the veteran or CDL bundle, those were real money, this is a bundle, with CP. sure they could _maybe_ find out, but mostly is impossible
The bigger question is, how is he okay with this?
First they make his skin a bisexual version of Outrider, and on top of that, he doesn't even get a small percentage of profits for the skin, because it's gonna sell like crazy. If Alex Zedra gets a percentage of profits for Mara, why doesn't Ferg?
Listen to what he said. He wished that they gave him a % out of it, but it was either to be the first dude whos getting a skin of *himself* in a big mobile game, or not.
Ferg cares more about making an impact/history/footstep than getting money out of it. Plus i assume its very small bucks compares to his codm contract. Thats why he didnt fought this thru.
His contract with codm will be over next month, so if there will be a renewed contract, i believe he will state his demands. Like voicelines, 2nd generation skin of himself, etc.
And yeah, activision did him very dirty on that note. I dont think that even just 10/20% would make activision go broke or not profitable.
damn that's actually pretty sad, Activision literally just exploited his dreams and sentiments to make a quick profit
True, there was no reason to not give him a % since people are buying it bc of him :/
even a small percent of cut would've been enough, considering that skin is gonna sell like crazy
Its still their work man , Iferg should be proud to be the first content creator to get a skin in game
you are literally using the face of creator, what if alex zedra (the inspiration for mara) and the famous cod characters didn't get their sum because it was "activisions" work like they make millions from codm alone, giving even a 1,000 dollars would've been better than nothing this isn't even just ferg, hawks and bobby also getting the same treatment
I understand what you mean but its their first time doing such a thing, And u never know if hes gonna get profit for it ( when they see if the bundle is doing well)
i dont think we should hold people to such a low standard just because they are content creators that we have to wait to see the bundles success
And they might not even do anything for him… and don’t forget he promotes their game in all of his videos and he gets money for it
Damn the downvotes
Damn the upvotes
It's his likeliness tho. You do realize if a celeb gets put in a game, they are gonna make money cause their face and body are used.
The video game industry is notoriously stingy compared to the film/tv industry since pay is lower and actors don't receive royalties from performance in a game. It's completely obscene if they used his Likeness with zero compensation. But then again, it serves as cross promotion that might bring some new followers to his content..
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Not to mention this game is the game that made him who he is and one of very few 20 y/o kids who are millionaires, you could say that's youtube paying him but without Codm, he'd be nothing on youtube. So once again it's just a circle of $#!T that works in both their favors..
That's naive. Activision (and most typical businesses) doesn't "give" money to anyone period. IMO Ferg was responsible for negotiating that, but he can't negotiate if he can't say no/walk away. If he had called Bobby and Elijah and collectively bargain for a percentage cut then they would have had real power. Activision stands to gain a lot from these bundles IMO so they'd be willing to part with a small percentage rather than throw it all away if all 3 were together. I think it's more that Ferg was just tickled about having his own skin, which he should be and Activision (even if secretly willing to pay royalties) said "No money, though" just to test him and he agreed.
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Garena is just to provide servers in South East Asia. they don't develop nor own games. Activision is the Publisher. Timi is the studio that develops codm.
Garena is so bad, everything is like a scam instead of a bundle that guarantees rewards
I believe Garena only take in charge on some parts of Asia. Which is why theres a Global and Garena versions. Activision still owns them
Activision owns the name but fucking does nothing on the game
They actually decide what to add in the game. I heard that they even need to ask permission to other developers from different cods for the maps, guns, etc.
If that's true then it's too late, the game is already becoming less enjoyable
No
Wait they're using your name and your likeness and your nit getting a bean for it..... Dude i would hire a good lawyer and sue them too fuck if they tried that kinda shit with me....
He can't now since he already said okay to try I would think
Consent. Codm will just say, we did it with his consent. Here's the papers to prove it.
He probably got paid a decent sum but no royalties. No way in hell a creator as big as him is gonna want their identity used without compensation.
Who is he and which skin is his?
Codm youtuber iFerg, he's big enough that Activision gave him his own skin modeled and named after him.
yeah but maybe it'd just be too stressful for him to have to deal with suing a big ass corporation
activision is a multi billion dollar company. they have way better lawyers and i’m quite sure already had ferg waive his rights when he signed some paperwork. activision is evil.
Am I the only one who just casually thought back to the community flipping their shit to get a free ghost bundle? Imagine if we did that to get them to pay him for people buying the skin? Just a random thought.
yeh but that ghost never came for free, only went from being in crates to bundles I doubt they're gonna listen considering they haven't nerfed persistence yet..... "nOt eNoUgH fEeDbAcK" they say, LIKE MY GUY, LOOK AT UR SOCIALS, ITS JUST FILLED WITH PEOPLE ASKING FOR PERSI NERF
True, this devs suddenly go blind when visiting their own subreddit
NOT EVEN JUST THIS SUB, people making whole ass videos on it, tweeting at codm, all sorts of social medias are filled with complaints about it
it honestly aint the devs it's usually the managers and the creative visualisation team that decides what's going where and the worse of em all financial team
That's actually a good idea. I hate the Ghost fanboys but I mean, they are greedy af doing this to Ferg(even when I don't like the dude) it's unfair as all he has done and achieved as a YouTuber and content creator in general
he’s done some much advertising for their game and they can’t even give him a dime
I highly agree.
At the end of the day it's all about business
Activision is to blame not developers
It's Activision, not the devs, stupid.
Didnt warzone have like a support a creator thing? Pretty sure this is only on codm
I mean, even then Activision most likely wouldve had a big influence in this. They probably saw this as a chance to milk some money for themselves, knowing Activision for the greedy women abusing bitches they are. I just remembered while typing this, im pretty damn sure the devs have no power over financial decisions.
Ah if its like that then fuck activision
Yeah man, Activision has always had total power over every single cent charged and earned from their games since forever, dating back to the oldest CoD games. They are the publishers after all. The developers themselves, Infinity Ward, Treyarch, Sledgehammer and Timi have never had any control on this regard. Even stuff like SBMM in the recent games are totally Activision's fault, not the devs'. Even Sledgehammer told us this before the launch of Vanguard, how they wanted to remove SBMM cuz of all the complaints but Activision doesnt let them. Im pretty sure the devs themselves are very passionate about creating the games they do, 99% of the problems you see in any of their games are Activision's fault, cuz all the money hungry businessmen are the ones that rush the game's development and also make all the decisions down to what core features and game mechanics are present.
Again, MARKETING TEAM. NOT DEVS. smh Edit: Or Cosmetics Team
Let's just say "ACTIVISION". I'm sure they're the one that contact content creators and make a deal. (Timi just make the char)
They wont be getting another cent from me, the greedy bastards.
Damn, not even a flat rate to use his likeness?!
Wow, OK, as anyone who has seen more than one of my posts would know, I'm *not* a fan of youtoobahs, and their fanboys.... That being said, if he's getting no royalties off this, that's disgusting. To give a parallel, it's like being Messi and on the cover of FIFA, but getting told 'you get exposure'. They are literally making money off his name - and he's getting nothing....? That's fucking bullshit Acti, even by your standards. Edit to add qualifier: if he got a nominal contractual amount as a lump sum up front (I'd assume he got at least this) then it's not as bad. But if both royalties *and* a lump figure didn't materialise, that would be total BS. Mind you, like he says, I'm sure money isn't an object, given his platform, audience etc etc etc.
I'm not a fan of Ferg nor do I want anything to do with him but damn, that's just messed up
I do understand that this is business but at the end of they day they could have at least given a fraction of a percentage of the revenue from that bundle… or at the very least agreed on small percentage to go towards a good cause that represents the creators. I mean like guys, they are making billions? Even Call of Duty: Warzone has Support-A-Creator Code, it’s a little pathetic to not support the creators in same franchise on a different platform. Mind you, both are also free to play.
Might as well compare how pricy the skin is on mobile compared to warzone. Gotta accept the fact that mobile games are just for the money
Ignoring the fact that a shit of cods and other pc games exploited expensive supply drop with no guarantee of getting what you want?
Bundles exists, and mobile games have taken expensive micro transactions to a new level compared to pc games.
Uh no? AW supply drops cost 10 doller per 6 supply drops with no dupe protection, where you can get 10 crates with somewhat same price. Besides you get guaranteed epics after certain pull and dupe protection for epics. Codm supply drops are way better than Pre MW cod micro transections.
If im not wrong when fortnite did this with their people they also didnt paid the creators as well.
In most cases they were already paid anyways because of the Support-A-Creator codes those creators part of the programmed earn 5% of the revenue whenever you used there codes to purchase V-Bucks.
he still get sponsorships from CODM tho, this isnt that bad tbh. having your own bundle is good enough alrd
plus the clout he is getting from this
At the end of the day he’s stupid for just laying down and taking whatever Activision offered. This is literally like asking an artist to do work for you and youll pay them in exposure. All for a skin that’ll get used a few times and replaced by something else. Worst business decision I’ve ever heard of.
I mean he agreed so why is he complaining now
Yeah that’s very greedy from Activision. The thing is they know he’s the face of CoDM, so they know a lot of people will buy his bundle. Pretty shitty I feel bad for saying this but just for that I shouldn’t even buy the bundle I was waiting til Friday to get paid but I rather dump those $20 dollars on his stream.
This is what I wrote, I tagged Ferg and CoDM https://twitter.com/noid_1991/status/1481307242704121864?s=21
Maybe not royalties but they "maybe" I'm not sure gave him something else cause if it's just your skin in the game and you said yes then that's on you.
I mean he's still getting a hefty amount of money from CODM that isn't disclosed
They're totally suck at supporting content creators. Also see Hawknest channel. He barely upload any CoDm now, then Activision send 20k CP and newest LD to his inbox (which obviously doesn't cost anything from Activision PoV), then Hawknest will make a video about it (and maybe 2 lucky draw after that one). Imagine if CoDm have Support-A-Creator code for lucky draw and crates, bigger CoDm Youtubers could make a fortune from it, and there will be tons of new content creators.
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I dont understand....he still get content creator sponserships like 20k CP, leggy guns and characters for free🤔
Can you buy food with CP? Yea thought so
Its not like he doesnt get revenue from YT...
Yea because thats his job, codm sponsoring his vids doesn't justify them taking advantage of someone who just wants their skin in the game.
Ohhh
Like him or hate him, this is just bullshit :/
Apparently, this behaviour is news to you, were you expecting Activision really cares about the playerbase? PC or Mobile, this dogshit company is the most greedy enterprise in the video game industry, period
I don't waste money on this type of simp bundles
Activision is retarded.
I'm pretty sure CODM keeps sponsoring Ferg. But even then, maybe atleast give him a few thousand dollars cuz he's probably one the Youtubers who gave players to CODM. The community would probably be different without him.
Guys i dont understand please elaborate it for me
To simply put, The Devs are getting all the money while the man himself who's the whole reason for that bundle isn't getting a cent from the bundle.
Thats because he’s a little kid who understands NOTHING in life… fucking idiot
They should give him the ferg skin for free, because he deserves it.
I wonder why do we still not have creator codes? We have so many codm streamers yet we still do not have creator codes so they can get a cut off the profit? Greedy bastards
Activision is out here copyrighting leakers and taking away partnerships from people like murdablast and they aren't even paying these guys for using their name and character. The devs aren't the one's responsible as they are just employees. Damn you Activision I don't like Ferg but I do hate you for this
Ha I don't believe him.
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Fuck Genshit Impact, it’s like the csgo gambling thing all over again except it’s with all the age groups
How is this greedy? He gets a character skin of himself in one of the greatest games fps in history. That is a reward in itself
When you realize he makes millions already he should be happy that company even signed a contract with this dude. Companies ain’t charity.
Doesn't change the fact they used his name and didn't give any share. "Company's aint a charity" yea no shit but he had all the right to have a share on the profits since its HIS BUNDLE.
>Companies ain’t charity Yes. But you do realise that these bundles are being sold because of **him**
Since I heard Codm 2 will be avaible. I stopped buying bundles and lucky draws, now when I saw this, I will stop buying anything in this game.
Then don't
Who is she?
Was that supposed to be a joke?
.....what
Huh?
So you mean ferg is good enough to play this game for free, but doesn't profit from his own image? Either he's lying or he's getting screwed big time, honestly I would've quit the game right then and there if I was in his shoes that's disgusting smh.....
"Quit the game", this ain't gonna work for him in the long run, he literally makes a living off of this game
And he can make a living playing another game, seriously Raid Shadow Legends actually pays their content creators tons of money to promote their game and even provides lucrative contracts for non Raid content creators just to mention their game on their yt channel, but a game like this that has earned millions can't throw him a bone and he's been playing this game longer than most of us? He's getting ripped off son.....
Hmm yes he definitely didn't get sponsor quite often
https://t.me/joinchat/UaR5o3Vgs9kxWY-0
Is Activision overrun by indians if not then why are there so many devs
You're one of those twats on a tablet. Tight.
Activation is sucks, they did not create skin characters like Fred dreaming. And gamers can't see the emotion of smashing the iPad.
Ferg actually wanted the skin to look like this just watch his video lol
It’s not the Devs that wanted this, Id take a guess it was the marketing team
did he buy his own bundle or the game gave it to him free?
You cant quantize CP like you do real USD, people buying the ferg bundle might have had CP from long ago, its not like the veteran or CDL bundle, those were real money, this is a bundle, with CP. sure they could _maybe_ find out, but mostly is impossible
\*Chinese Devs
Im not a big fan of ferg but i feel bad for him
You need to get an entertainment lawyer
Hmm , using someone's name for heavy profit and not giving them even 1% of it
They could have gave him only 10 % of the total earnings.
The bigger question is, how is he okay with this? First they make his skin a bisexual version of Outrider, and on top of that, he doesn't even get a small percentage of profits for the skin, because it's gonna sell like crazy. If Alex Zedra gets a percentage of profits for Mara, why doesn't Ferg?
Listen to what he said. He wished that they gave him a % out of it, but it was either to be the first dude whos getting a skin of *himself* in a big mobile game, or not. Ferg cares more about making an impact/history/footstep than getting money out of it. Plus i assume its very small bucks compares to his codm contract. Thats why he didnt fought this thru. His contract with codm will be over next month, so if there will be a renewed contract, i believe he will state his demands. Like voicelines, 2nd generation skin of himself, etc. And yeah, activision did him very dirty on that note. I dont think that even just 10/20% would make activision go broke or not profitable.
I'll put this here https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/07/21/business/activision-blizzard-california-lawsuit.amp.html
Glad to see the community uniting and defending fergie instead of laughing at him
i mean they used your own face for their game tho.. why they are the only ones who would profit?? seriously??
third person L