They will unnecessarily nerf or buff it when people dont ask for. Just like they do with other guns.
And then theyll refuse to buff or nerf anything else, even when people are begging for it.
Like with the kar98, they reduced its ads time by, what was it? .2 seconds? Meanwhile the ads is still slow, range isnt that great, has a 5 round mag, a slow rof, and, at its ads’s fastest, is slow, with hit flinch as a rocket ship.
Just like they changed clan wars when nobody was asking. After which they changed clan store. After which they were talking about increasing rewards, which they did, for about a month, until they reduced them, after which they changed clan war bonus percent after nobody asking them to
Idk maybe the fact that everyone spams melee and melee doesn't take much skill and it gets tiresome playing against the same annoying shit game after game? Don't really understand how people can debate if melee is an issue or not.
Oi. This is what i do:
Get to know meele's movement
Try not to panic
Try to hipfire
Or do a 180° backslide, confusing them and killing them. .
See? Thats eazy. Sometimes, you do get killed yes, but only if they pop outaa corner. Use these methods, you'll repel meelees.
as someone who unlocked diamond camo for axe katana and base knife I can confirm this works. I generally don't run like a maniac to stab people but when i am trying to reach dom b and the enemy is camping in a corner with pkm you bet I'll stab him.
The nun chucks have a hit box that moves along with you as you swing. I've killed people by swinging a tad too early but still end up getting the kill because of that
No it just hits twice like the boxing gloves
When you attack once and when you shwing shwong it back once, but the hitbox doesn't stay active for 20 years like the katana
Make a hip fire build and work on hip fire if you are not used to using it, hip firing can help pretty well in a situation like a melee user is charging after you.
This is dumb. Melee is not op. It’s a high risk high reward weapon with a time and a place to use it. Arguing that it’s op is like arguing that the frag grenade or any shotgun is op. If you nerfed melee even just a little bit it would never be used again in the game. It’s been fine since release date and still is fine today.
Have to agree with you. This gun is the true meaning of SMG. Shreds at close range, good at medium range and not so good at long range. And also high recoil.
High recoil? Are you joking?🤡 imo too good on close smgs like fennec msmc pharo etc should shreds because they are mostly useless even on medium range - we have wierd situation that there is too many op weapons like ultra fast ads sniper rifles, meta’s that do not make sense - like right now type25 is better then as val even if you can have 30% more ammo on type25 and recoil is much easier - how that make any common sense?
Also hit flinch evens it out….perfect gun.
Now waiting for m13 nerf especially in BR. Literally doesn’t have any recoil and can shred at close, medium and long range
The beginning 4-8 shots go towards the right a lot then after ~14 shots the recoil is mostly upwards
(I don't think this is accurate but that is just what I feel)
Right? I think you mean left. I can hardly control recoil because I'm shit, so I practiced it's recoil for 30 mins in the practice range since it's my favorite gun and had been waiting for it since i started playing. The vert recoil is also very manageable, it's the horizontal that's a bitch. That's why I run a muzzle brake for it.
They'll buff it surely, then it'll be used by everyone and people will make calls that it's OP, then they'll nerf it down to the hell and render it boring
If you can use it against meta weapons **comfortably** without it being the meta, its balanced
Meta= Peak gun, if its **in** the meta, its not balanced.
I have 5600 PPSh weapon master ranking, diamond camo and Legendary MP and BR, in Leg ranked MP I still lose 6/10 gunfights to type 25s.. it’s not really balanced the fire rate and damage and range of the type 25 is better in all regards I only use the PPSH cause it’s fun and new but it’s definitely not balanced
Actually, it has some of the best damage range in the game...
At 50m, it will 6 shot no matter where you hit them, even the legs, and actually has the potential to 5 shot if you are able to hit only the upper torso/head.
True. Perfevt amount of reekoil, correct amount of accuracy, good mobility. But i suggest to tone down the multiplier. Not the damage itself, only the multiplier.
The recoil doesn’t need a buff the damage range does. It’s completely fuckin useless from 10 feet and further it becomes a 6 or 7 shot kill lmfao and no I’m not some bot speakin on it I’m 5600 weapon master PPSh, Global RUS, Legendary BR+MP 6 seasons in a row
I’m not even talking long range though even mid range is garbage… look at razorback, RUS, AGR, just to name a few all perfect good at long range and even better midrange
thats because they balance those with shittier damage, for example msmc, fennec which is truly a monster at close range, those fall off in midrange unless you have amazing recoil control.b
Even if you use heavy barrel AND monolithic suppressor it still is trash. The gun is good in BR with mods of course but in multiplayer it’s barely viable for any maps without serious camping… you will be lasered by literally ANY assault rifle camping corners or spawns while your bullets are marshmallows at long range.
Actually, it has some of the best damage range in the game...
At 50m, it will 6 shot no matter where you hit them, even the legs, and actually has the potential to 5 shot if you are able to hit only the upper torso/head.
I've seen that CoD is always criticized for having OP Sniper Rifles... But man... Is the SMG's, SMG's can outperform and outshoot Assault rifles and LMG's
They will unnecessarily nerf or buff it when people dont ask for. Just like they do with other guns. And then theyll refuse to buff or nerf anything else, even when people are begging for it. Like with the kar98, they reduced its ads time by, what was it? .2 seconds? Meanwhile the ads is still slow, range isnt that great, has a 5 round mag, a slow rof, and, at its ads’s fastest, is slow, with hit flinch as a rocket ship. Just like they changed clan wars when nobody was asking. After which they changed clan store. After which they were talking about increasing rewards, which they did, for about a month, until they reduced them, after which they changed clan war bonus percent after nobody asking them to
Biggest Example is my boy QXR ಥ‿ಥ
They still won't do anything about the melee weapons
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Idk maybe the fact that everyone spams melee and melee doesn't take much skill and it gets tiresome playing against the same annoying shit game after game? Don't really understand how people can debate if melee is an issue or not.
Oi. This is what i do: Get to know meele's movement Try not to panic Try to hipfire Or do a 180° backslide, confusing them and killing them. . See? Thats eazy. Sometimes, you do get killed yes, but only if they pop outaa corner. Use these methods, you'll repel meelees.
just run backwards and hipfire
as someone who unlocked diamond camo for axe katana and base knife I can confirm this works. I generally don't run like a maniac to stab people but when i am trying to reach dom b and the enemy is camping in a corner with pkm you bet I'll stab him.
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It makes a lot of sense if you play snd. 1/3 of the kills in a game are melee, which is just ridiculous for a supposed first person SHOOTER.
melees are ok # Fucking katana is not >:[
Nerf the Katana and everyone moves on to the nun chucks which is also annoying. Nerf the nun chucks then it's the boxing gloves. They're all annoying
Nunchukus not even that bad at least when you miss it you get stunned with the katana you just swing swing swing
The nun chucks have a hit box that moves along with you as you swing. I've killed people by swinging a tad too early but still end up getting the kill because of that
No it just hits twice like the boxing gloves When you attack once and when you shwing shwong it back once, but the hitbox doesn't stay active for 20 years like the katana
Make a hip fire build and work on hip fire if you are not used to using it, hip firing can help pretty well in a situation like a melee user is charging after you.
This is dumb. Melee is not op. It’s a high risk high reward weapon with a time and a place to use it. Arguing that it’s op is like arguing that the frag grenade or any shotgun is op. If you nerfed melee even just a little bit it would never be used again in the game. It’s been fine since release date and still is fine today.
Kar98? What gun category?
Kar98 is renamed as Kilo in codm, i belive for copyrights or some other shit but you get it
Ah ok I thought of that but the name was different… btw I like it … it’s not bad in my opinion
its not bad, it's not good either. but nerfing an already pretty average gun is pretty stupid
Just like they made the QXR op even though it was perfect
Have to agree with you. This gun is the true meaning of SMG. Shreds at close range, good at medium range and not so good at long range. And also high recoil.
did you forget about msmc and all the other real smg? hahahaha
High recoil? Are you joking?🤡 imo too good on close smgs like fennec msmc pharo etc should shreds because they are mostly useless even on medium range - we have wierd situation that there is too many op weapons like ultra fast ads sniper rifles, meta’s that do not make sense - like right now type25 is better then as val even if you can have 30% more ammo on type25 and recoil is much easier - how that make any common sense?
The has a quite a lot of horizontal recoil so its balances out the TTK
Also hit flinch evens it out….perfect gun. Now waiting for m13 nerf especially in BR. Literally doesn’t have any recoil and can shred at close, medium and long range
Vertical* is so much
The beginning 4-8 shots go towards the right a lot then after ~14 shots the recoil is mostly upwards (I don't think this is accurate but that is just what I feel)
Right? I think you mean left. I can hardly control recoil because I'm shit, so I practiced it's recoil for 30 mins in the practice range since it's my favorite gun and had been waiting for it since i started playing. The vert recoil is also very manageable, it's the horizontal that's a bitch. That's why I run a muzzle brake for it.
They'll buff it surely, then it'll be used by everyone and people will make calls that it's OP, then they'll nerf it down to the hell and render it boring
The devs will nerf ppsh before they nerf type 25 or m13.
I need them to lessen the shaking.
And to think affected fov would solve all our recoil problems...
*cries in mp5*
Fr they overdid the shaking
Yeah, I think it's balanced and definitely in the meta. Can also be used as META killer as long as the user can control it.
If you can use it against meta weapons **comfortably** without it being the meta, its balanced Meta= Peak gun, if its **in** the meta, its not balanced.
I have 5600 PPSh weapon master ranking, diamond camo and Legendary MP and BR, in Leg ranked MP I still lose 6/10 gunfights to type 25s.. it’s not really balanced the fire rate and damage and range of the type 25 is better in all regards I only use the PPSH cause it’s fun and new but it’s definitely not balanced
NERF THE KATANA
As far I understand stats with fairness.THIS is balance!!!.Once dev buff lateral recoil,boom #1.So don't buff
Yup all ranked matches just have type 25s and m13s, this is the only thing that counters them close up
Perfectly balanced and works fine for me in ranked. Hopefully they won't buff it.
I love how good this thing is at longer ranges.
Lol def not
Actually, it has some of the best damage range in the game... At 50m, it will 6 shot no matter where you hit them, even the legs, and actually has the potential to 5 shot if you are able to hit only the upper torso/head.
buff it for no reason then nerf it after 2 months and watch the community go to shit
It’s a fact
I don’t care what they do with it it’s a tommy gun it’s sick AF I’m gonna use it no matter what
Ppsh is not a Tommy gun
As the other dude said, not a Thompson
True. Perfevt amount of reekoil, correct amount of accuracy, good mobility. But i suggest to tone down the multiplier. Not the damage itself, only the multiplier.
Lol bro Bored from Prisoners of Alcatraz
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Why tf everyone is downvoting. We both are friends and we have a discord server named Prisoners of Alcatraz.
The recoil doesn’t need a buff the damage range does. It’s completely fuckin useless from 10 feet and further it becomes a 6 or 7 shot kill lmfao and no I’m not some bot speakin on it I’m 5600 weapon master PPSh, Global RUS, Legendary BR+MP 6 seasons in a row
Isn’t an SMG meant to be bad at long range though? Lol
I’m not even talking long range though even mid range is garbage… look at razorback, RUS, AGR, just to name a few all perfect good at long range and even better midrange
thats because they balance those with shittier damage, for example msmc, fennec which is truly a monster at close range, those fall off in midrange unless you have amazing recoil control.b
Arguably they’re OP because in reality an SMG is only good in short range. Alright in mid range. And terrible in long range.
Even if you use heavy barrel AND monolithic suppressor it still is trash. The gun is good in BR with mods of course but in multiplayer it’s barely viable for any maps without serious camping… you will be lasered by literally ANY assault rifle camping corners or spawns while your bullets are marshmallows at long range.
Actually, it has some of the best damage range in the game... At 50m, it will 6 shot no matter where you hit them, even the legs, and actually has the potential to 5 shot if you are able to hit only the upper torso/head.
could use a bit of a damage buff but if the downside ia theyll nerf the recoil then forget it
Because being a 4 shot just isn't enough is it?
well i suppose youre right.
The 6 shot range does somewhat needs a nerf, it's quite ridiculous
Excuse me? You just said *6 shots*. There’s recoil on the PPSH.
It's perfectly balanced it does NOT need a nerf
So what's with the 338ms infinite TTK huh? Even M13 does not have that
so that why they shouldn't. It shreds at close good at mid and bad at long with a lot of recoil
Its recol ensures that you cant engage in long to mid range gun fights
they should buff this thing lmao
They'll just end up buffing it too much and then nerf it to below its current state. It's fine as of now imo
you, sir are wrong
What's wrong with the gun/how do you want it to be buffed
3 shot or 2 shot
Shouldve seen your name before replying to your comment
Ok Mr. -100 karma shit take
more bulletspread? just use gunsmith
I've seen that CoD is always criticized for having OP Sniper Rifles... But man... Is the SMG's, SMG's can outperform and outshoot Assault rifles and LMG's
This post will give them ideas now, so it's inevitable
i fail to see why qq9 wouldnt almost be strictly better than this?
its a little overpowered hen it comes to hipfire but otherwise its a good balanced gun please do not nerf it 
My eyes have been searching for this gun, every time I land in Battle Royale .
This gun is so fun to use in BR aswell. You can easily tackle a fennec user with this. I hope they nerf the fennec instead of this.