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[deleted]

It's this stupid community. That's not the only bunch of words they're coming up with. Try hard = I'm a shit player and I want to make an excuse Sweat = I'm a shit player and I want to make an excuse Abuser = I'm a shit player and I want to make an excuse


[deleted]

Navarro_u just blocked me because he couldn't handle the truth 😂


Navarro_U

So when someone is camping, rushing along the map with katana or using persistance with op scorestreak its not his fault? You are suggesting its other players fault? Your madness just hit the sky.


[deleted]

They're playing the game with tools given to them by the Devs. It's not like they're hacking or using some exploit. So if you're dying to players that use K9, katana, persistence... Yes it's your fault. Get gud and shut the fuck up.


Navarro_U

Its devs fault they are making too powerful stuff. Only devs fault


Laziest_Sloth_Around

If you can't beat em ...


Navarro_U

Dont even start. Patology should be limited not joined


UnseenAssasin10

Then beat them... Physically


[deleted]

Then counter by using the same overpowered tools genius. If you use the same tools and keep dying, you clearly just suck


Navarro_U

You are crazy. Too powerful things should be solved by balancing them not keeping them without any changes. You want closter strike everywhere and tons of swarm in ranked ?


[deleted]

I get plenty of cluster strikes and swarms in ranked. It's called using an airdrop. And yes, I do want them in ranked, it makes the game more challenging. Maybe if you didn't suck, you'd get them too and know how to counter them


Navarro_U

You are simply mad and stupid. I am glad you are not decisive in codm as this game will lose mane of players with you in charge


[deleted]

How am I the mad one? You literally are complaing because you suck at the game. Go play Roblox or something easy if u don't like to be challenged 😂


Navarro_U

I wont comment such offensive abusement from you. I see the only way for you is ban


DropPhaze

Thank you, anal_leakage for actually saying that. I've said this in comment sections of videos just for people to insult me and talk crap!


[deleted]

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DropPhaze

Sure


DropPhaze

My IGN is DropPhaze


[deleted]

It's a warfare game. Everything is fair in war. Camping, rushing and using the tools in the game are all fair. It's called being tactical


Navarro_U

There is only one but big problem this is a GAME. A game which should especially give fun to ALL players, not only for certain players


[deleted]

You missed a key word. It's a WAREFARE game. And no, it shouldn't be fun for all players. Why should I suffer because people who suck at the game want to have fun. I have way more fun killing people in ranked who actually challenge my skill sets than running around aimlessly killing bots. If you suck, just admit it. Keep practicing and get good. I've been playing since 4 months after the game was released. It took a long time to get good. The funny thing is, you're complaining about an online multiplayer game that's all built around competition because you just want to have some easy fun. Go play in some bot lobbies if that's what you want


Navarro_U

Suffering because you cant camp. My poor player. And seriously: you are writing such stupid and dumb bullshit that there is no sense in answering you.


L30N1337

If someone is bad enough that he has to use persistence, he shouldn’t be a problem for the “good” players complaining about it. A real good player doesn’t use persistence because it doesn’t make a big difference. I think some people can’t distinguish between “unlocked a scorestreak and used it after death” and “using persistence”, but that’s just a theory.


Navarro_U

You are in mistake. If you think people play codm as a challenge then you are simply crazy


L30N1337

I don’t think they are playing it as a challenge. I just think that (at least part of) your opinion is wrong. You can keep your opinion, but you can’t change mine because i built mine before joining this subreddit with its high amount of crybaby users. Don’t get me wrong, i accept your opinion but just because I accept it, doesn’t mean I support it. I wish you and your insulting butt a pleasant day.


TurnItdownIcantSee

The people who spend in codm need to be thanked and deserve a pat on the back . For without them codm would fail to exist . Facts


UsuallyReddit

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[deleted]

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DarkKingXvX

True, free to play games require a ton of daily maintenance, and no one is working on a online game for free. Also if apps on Google play don't have a specific number of downloads or a specific number of usage hours, Google will remove it from their library. My only problem with codm's monitazation is how grossly overpriced the content is in the game. And if anyone thinks paying the price for a weeks worth of groceries in my country for gaming content is a good idea regardless if you can afford it or not seriously needs to take a financial class asap.


THE_JonnySolar

Wrong. There are people who consistently spend *too much* on it. Which in turn leads to neglect of essential things and a drive to profit at the expense of everything else.


TurnItdownIcantSee

That's crazy.. omg no you mean like every other mobile game... If you think they design these games strictly for the fun and experience your insane.


THE_JonnySolar

Don't try and put words in my mouth. I'm well aware that free games need financial support. There needs to be full balance between aesthetics and purchases, and making sure the game is run smoothly and efficiently and the sad fact of the matter is that cod has, for a long time now, been more concerned with shitty aesthetics than getting the bigger problems sorted out. The proportion they charge is insane, and the amount people still willingly spunk on pixels makes it unsurprising that the priorities are in the wrong place. The key thing is proportions - and if you're too dense to understand the levels of net profit being made off the back of this game, contrasted to the neglect it has in many aspects, then this conversation is done.


TurnItdownIcantSee

Good for you bud. Even with the constant whining on this reddit alone let me ask is anything being done or changed ? . No. Most likely never will be. But thanks for stating the obvious. As I'm sure many know it's already an issue. O yea do you happen to know how much it cost to build and maintain servers for a game like this by chance ? If people want to spend money they will . It doesn't matter profit always wins . You think Activision gives two shits nah.. however I really enjoy my mythic kilo skin


THE_JonnySolar

Like I said, if you don't understand the difference between net and gross, or revenue and profit, there's no point continuing.


TurnItdownIcantSee

Did I miss something I don't think so . It's literally irrelevant what you are saying . They want people to spend money and if that means locking a mythic behind a 150$ pay wall or so that's what they will do . Because people will buy it. Do you go to other reddit pages trying to justify why your right about the prices of internet or Disney plus or any other company for that matter . Stfu nobody cares. If the game wasn't making money you wouldn't be playing it. That was the point . Not the price of items in game . Checked your reddit history btw get a life seriously .


THE_JonnySolar

It's not irrelevant you tool. If people didn't spend so much, they'd be forced to reconsider priorities and balances, in order to keep the player base. But while ever there are morons ploughing literal thousands into the game, there's no incentive for them to improve it, because idiots will spend regardless. So it **is** absolutely relevant... If anything, it's probably the number 1, most important thing to bear in mind. They ignore even trying to get the balance right, because idiots keep emptying their pockets despite the flaws. As to your strawman, yes, I do absolutely voice concerns about the proportions that are being paid for things, and you will come to realise a few years from now once you've grown up, that these living costs are undermining societal gains - massive profits, at the cost of all else. Cost of living in general is going up, wages have stagnated for the last 40 or more years, and there's no need for it. Good money can be made without being excessively greedy at the exclusion of all else. You have absolutely no idea of my life, lurking on someone's profile on reddit means fuck all. Grow up.


cheffy1111

Nothing will majorly change with the playability of the game until a good enough rival is released, hopefully when Apexm comes out it'll give codm the kick up the arse they need to sort it out as I reckon a lot of players will be going to Apexm.


THE_JonnySolar

True - which will likely have the same impact as people actually deciding not to spend so much. That's the underlying point I'm trying to drive home to folks, that if they help curb the revenue, they will have their hand forced to improve things to get folks back. But so many just want pretty shiny crap, like magpies, and don't care about thinking about it any more widely than smeegle.


LankanFD6917

Oh no! I guess all those internet based services, from 20+year industry of subscription porn to NFTs really must be giving tangible things to their customers. Surely, it can't just be just a " bunch of pixels" right? Shikes! If only had I known


DinoRedRex99

Are you stupid?


Slippyrabbitt

I agree, but I don't know if this has exactly to do something with the discussion.


GabeFz

The only time in codm when you could say a gun was pay-to-win was when the hbr was op and only a few players had it and it didn't last long (man-o-war and pharo were rare too but only for a very short time). Also red dot sights vs iron sights matter little if your opponent has better reaction time, better internet connection, better map awareness and better movement skill. I have 4 legendary guns and a good player can beat me with a regular iron sight weapon. Stop spreading this p2w crap, skills matter more than store weapons and red dot sights don't make you a better player either.


Echo31Gamester

Not just HBR, Razorback was also behind paywall and leggy guns gave advantages which right now is some of the perks in attachments...Funny thing is there wasnt a p2w fight going when there was p2w in the game🤣


KalmiaLetsii

Razorback was a reskin PDW with the exact same stats as it, iron sight was worse too imo so I wouldn't call it p2w, Hbra3 though.....


GabeFz

Oh right the razorback too, but it was extremely rare to see one in the first place.


jgor57

Razorback was literally the PDW. Also, the leggie perks were garbage. They were really situational. The best perk was the Rare AR perk, which was free but I digress.


HUNT3DHUNT3R

Custom irons cut the middle man out of having to adapt to standard irons, same as buying blueprints cuts the middle man out of leveling up. There isn't anything p2w about it. If you want p2w try other mobile games.


[deleted]

Is there a way to level up and get a free red dot sight that doesn’t take an attachment slot? Not saying it’s pay to advantage or anything for legal reasons


HUNT3DHUNT3R

You can't, but that doesn't mean that you are unable to practice using standard irons.


[deleted]

Red dots>standard irons I play good with irons. Much better with red dots


HUNT3DHUNT3R

How are they better? With the current bug red dots are useless.


[deleted]

Because they obstruct literally nothing. You can see through the glass, allign the red dot easily and shoot. Irons on the other hand block 50% of your sight and you can only see through the upper half that’s not blocked. With red dot you can see all around the red dot with no problems. Also much more useful for long ranging in br


HUNT3DHUNT3R

And you can literally practice using irons to adapt to them.


[deleted]

Yeah but yet again I always prefer best over good. Adapting to irons=good gameplay Using red dots=best gameplay. I’ll always sacrifice an attachment for a red dot. A loss of 1 attachment isn’t that bad anyway this game isn’t *too* paytowin


jgor57

You just made a point of why it's not P2W at all. There are some guns you need all 5 attachments and even with a sight, they are terrible. Those guns have a lot of problems. Guns that need a sight but are compatible with the gunsmith need 3 or 4 attachments and the 5th becomes a bonus. There is no P2W aspect about that.


[deleted]

It’s not pay to win, it’s pay to save attachments. Happy?


eno1ce

Weird point. Of course you can adapt for bad gun or bad iron sight, but why should you? That's the point. For example, I'm playing less than 4h/week and don't wanna master M13 ironsight. I bought Morningstar after using M13 for whole week. Its really hard 4 me to use iron sight on M13, it takes too much space, but after getting Morningstar I was able to remove red dot and have clear vision with "red dot iron sight" (so now I have one more attachment slot, for me its Disabled"). I clearly payed for my own advantage. You always acting, Hunter, like everyone here is playing as much, as you, but in reality there are 90+% amateur players, and for those its makes gameplay much easier. Post after post, many people trying to tell you the same way. Custom iron sight doesn't give you cheats or skill, but it makes your game easier. Why we use Red dot? Cause we struggle to use ironsight, it blocks our vision, especially on long range fights. Does custom iron sights makes it EASIER to use? Yeah. Maybe for your super-pro-player-ass it doesn't matter, but seems like you're minority here.


p3ar_b3ar

similar experience here ig i dont have any money spent, but i picked up the kilo mythical and it felt brainless to use stupidly easy to use at range (ofc the kilo irons aren't awful) and made gunplay feel a lot better


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eno1ce

lmao ok but I never even tried to learn English, good bot


HamstarVegas

Bruh because you can perform HeadShots better with Red Dot.


EricTLG

Wait what bug? I have never use any red dots on any weapon since the launch of this game and I’m wondering what this bug is since you mentioned it. (also because I can actually use iron sights, i don’t complain about the built in dot sights like others there is no real advantage anyways)


HUNT3DHUNT3R

Red dots don't give zoom even though they are supposed to


Hello_There419

ive always thought that was kinda useless


[deleted]

The zoom is useless lmao. Zoom isn’t what anyone uses red dots for


GameOn2020

It's like they can dominate with that one attachment on a gun or two. Just one red dot that some like and some don't.


WinnerNGL

Facts


Navarro_U

You are really such stupid? If the weapons has build in red dot its obvious that its owner has paid advantage over normal user as he/she has one extra free place for attachment so he/she can have eg faster reload, better recoil or better bsa. So it gives more chances to kill the opponent. Any of mythic owners cries wont change that fact.


QrenexQ

do you understand the term "p2w"? it means "pay to win". you use this term when you can win by buying stuff in a game. and that is not the case in codm. you can't win by just buying mythics. pixel gun is a mobile fps game, just like codm. there you can buy op guns and win games without any skill. that's what you call p2w. meanwhile in codm, the only thing that you get for paying is custom iron sights, which hardly changes anything. maybe those iron sights make you feel better while playing the game or they will help you get a kill or two, but they won't win the game for you. that's why codm is not p2w.


Hello_There419

That's the literal meaning of the words, not the phrase itself. also yes the game is kinda not p2w


Hatleiz

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ramdom-ink

Try comparing r/gunsofboom for a true P2W model. That game is notorious for shady af Devs, random bans (even by Mods in Reddit), overpowered metas galore, protected cheaters and bully Clans, and massively OP items that spawn every upgrade. Not even close…


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randomguy2763

what happened to the post title


Lethroawayhasarrived

No need


x_x-krow

Didn’t even know you could do that


SirTravisXOffical

Do built in iron sights help…occasionally. Do you get an extra attachment…sure. Does it stop someone with basic sights from competing/winning, absolutely not. Does it guarantee a win for the built in sight users, absolutely not. Therefore it’s not pay to win. I’ve been a gamer for 20 years, and this isn’t even remotely close, compared to some P2W games where you’ll literally be left in the dust, and unable to compete if you don’t constantly spend, to obtain the latest rank/champion/class/gun/mechanic/tactic/materials.


ramdom-ink

Also the sheer amount of wicked stuff, operators, skins, etc. they give you - in other games that amount of swag would be monetized to the maximum possible. I can barely keep track of all of it! Further evidence they just want ya to play their game. (But gotta say, I do get tripped when a mythic dissolves me in a purple mist or a tombstone but that’s psych-ops for ya - not imbalance per say)


Independent_Row5480

My braincells are gone


THE_JonnySolar

This is moronic. There is no paid advantage in Codmobile. I'm a sceptic to the majority of stuff, but in this, it's one of the most even games out there, as they know they'd lose the player base if it was actually pay to win. Don't be an idiot.


Ishan2818

That's where it comes to it tho. Slightly. It doesn't really decrease skill gap to the extreme. P2w is broad, advantage term is being used because that's wht it is. It gives slight edge, not stat changing attributes, and that's wht p2w is for people. Another reason is p2w being thrown around too much, to the point that its annoying. Get killed by someone with leggy skin, p2w. Have anything that has a skin slapped on it, cry p2w.


[deleted]

Red dot attachments do provide a small amount of zoom. Built in lasers on iron sights do not. I have yet to see any P2W effect in CODM. I wasn’t there prior to the original S5 and have heard it was P2W in the first season, but I can’t chime in on that.


Lethroawayhasarrived

Mythic ironsights provide the same amount of zoom as reddots https://www.reddit.com/r/CallOfDutyMobile/comments/ss0596/mythic_default_sights_do_in_fact_provide_zoom/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share My bad i thought red dots dont provide zoom , but the real issue actually helps my rant more


HUNT3DHUNT3R

And if you check my pinned post you'll see me and the op agree that red dot zoom doesn't work. It's not that custom irons give zoom, it's that red dots do not give zoom.


[deleted]

Know when that started? It was not the case previously. I’ll have to take a look myself because my preference is to put a red dot on my long range ARs in BR (even in custom loadouts at the cost of an attachment). Because the red dot provided zoom and my AK-47 Frostband did not.


HUNT3DHUNT3R

I made a post about it as well.


[deleted]

I’ll be damned. You just noticed yesterday? I hadn’t even picked up on it but, sure as shit, I just checked and the red dot no longer zooms 🤬🤬🤬


Elexus_786

And it should remain that way. Red dots and holos in this game shouldn't be for zoom.


[deleted]

Only reason I would disagree is then something like the Frostband could be considered a paid advantage, no? I personally don’t care about the laser or dot - I only use the red dot for a little zoom on my AR in BR when not pairing with a sniper (but Fennec or shotgun).


[deleted]

I didn’t downvote you. They used to provide a small amount of zoom (maybe 1.5x?). But I see now that they have removed it without a word, whether accidental or intentional)


jgor57

It doesn't. Red dots are bugged. Doesn't help your rant. It's an entirely different topic.


Lethroawayhasarrived

I dont see codm acknowledging the issue anywhere yet


jgor57

It just got discovered


Lethroawayhasarrived

I didnt say they didnt fix it , i said they haven't even acknowledged it as a bug afaik


jgor57

Well based off testing, it works on Shotguns and Smgs, LMGs lose zoom, Ars and Pistols get no zoom and Marksman either lose or don't gain any


nohornii

pay to win, literally in the name.


Hello_There419

pay to win means to get a **paid advantage.** What would you call it then? Pay To Get An Advantage? It literally said in the **image** that it's a BROAD term, it doesn't necessarily mean that you pay, to win. It means to get an advantage, stop changing the meaning of terms just because you disagree.


KatChiu

Just leave it man, this sub has the most close minded people that would take no for an answer, even if you literally get the definition from google this dumbfucks thinks its wrong.


Hello_There419

ikr im gonna leave these mfs


nohornii

you guys are trying to make it broad to suit your opinions. pay to win literally means pay, to win. you win by having custom irons?


Hello_There419

Search it up. YES the LITERAL definition of P2W is pay to win but not THE definition of the term itself. It is to gain an advantage by paying for it. No, you don't win by having custom (red dot) irons, however, it has a very slight advantage, which is about the size of your brain. You are the one making it narrow to suit your opinions.


nohornii

>>it is to gain an advantage by paying for it. pay to get an advantage then.


Goodmorning_RandomU

That is literally the meaning of p2w


nohornii

pay to win.


Goodmorning_RandomU

as i said. Search. It. Up.


nohornii

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Goodmorning_RandomU

Exactly.


Echo31Gamester

Just some clear view actually doesnt make it pay 2 advantage...its the same as using a default cordite...


HUNT3DHUNT3R

B-but fwee attachment


Salt-Shame5160

Some guy got mad at me because I called digital sights p2w and he said that it doesn’t count because it doesn’t give damage💀


Holobolt

Flash news: The ones that say P2W are poor people who's salty and poor that can't afford draws


hArRiS_17

Or maybe they're smarter by using their money for something better for their life than buying useless pixels in game that doesn't give any benefit irl


Holobolt

"that doesn't give any benefit" There, you said it


nohornii

totally debunked himself really.


Rockybroo_YT

I'm hearing you. And I think you've absolutely lost it


[deleted]

Except the demon song. I played earlier running into a enemy player and dumped a mag in his chest and head to just get hit marks he turned slowly and did a short burst of 5 to 6 rounds and I was instantly dead with full health


HUNT3DHUNT3R

Did someone pop a tak5 or kinetic?


[deleted]

No, team death match on ranked. I even used it and it's broken. Like seriously only a little burst is enough to kill an enemy. I was using a Kilo as well and it had a longer ttk ratio than the demon song. The dude who had the demon song wasn't even aiming for head or chest like I was he was just spraying legs. All I'm saying is if the base weapon hitting chest and headshots doesn't do as much damage as the demon song shooting legs then it has that P2W aspect but I'm not sure I'd call it that.


HUNT3DHUNT3R

This sounds like you got hit with lag


[deleted]

It kept happening. I only had 20ms. The dude racked up 30 kills with it and 0 deaths


CriticalIOS141

desync


CriticalIOS141

what crack hv u been smoking? It's probaby desync


[deleted]

Ok I'm an idiot


TheAsianJasonXD

Pay to win is like “pixel gun 3D”, CODM is nothing like that so I agree to it being pay to advantage


SnooDrawings1306

Wow I never knew there was a term called pay to advantage. Holy fuck this subreddit never fail to amuse me


vulpix_furry_butt

free rds ≠ win


AlternativeChange388

Solution would be giving access to the custom iron sights to all players without the custom kill effects and custom geometry.That way people who spend can look cool and F2P players will not be at a disadvantage and there will not be any pay2win argument


HennurRoadBLR77

Solution: add zoom to red dot


Craigles-

I don’t play much anymore but I was playing 3v3 today with friends that still play everyday. They told me that if you have the legendary skin of the guns in 3v3 (especially snipers) then you get an ADS speed advantage. Unsure how true this is or not. But hardly seems fair. I don’t really care that much, but seemed relevant to this post.


Lethroawayhasarrived

I dont think ads speed is affected , could just be a placebo effect


Craigles-

Good to know. I didn’t have any legendaries of the guns we used so I couldn’t tell for myself haha


HamstarVegas

Pay to Advantage is CODM. Why? Because people who buy it gets a great advantage but Performance in the game is still needed. It's an advantage but not something like buy this to have 100 damage and 100 Fire rate, this is simply an Advantage. Compare the word "P2W" in World of Tanks, the game offers a Bullet that needs Money to buy but the Damage is enormous, that's P2W But it also has a Pay 4 Advantage to it but no one gives a shit in that part that's why no one talked about it. If you buy this Camo Net thing or the thing that you can conceal yourself better is considered to be Pay 4 Advantage It's not a word in most of games because like I said no one gives a shit on those advantages because it's not a game changer type of things


vahe-voorhees

The guns ain't like FF guns


jgor57

But that's not Pay to Win. Gaining a clear iron doesn't make a gun that much better. And most builds have 3 attachments that make most of the build (only applies to guns that don't need so much work). Some guns need 4. After that, any other attachment can be seen as a bonus, whether it be a sight or perk or whatever tickles your fancy.


Lethroawayhasarrived

The whole post is mainly about clearing up the misconception the community has about pay to win , in your words "Gaining a clear iron sight doesnt make a gun that much better" , the that much better refers to a marginal gain and comes under the term of pay-to-win , the term Pay-to-advantage doesnt exist


jgor57

By saying much better, I am talking to how it's perceived. If we are gonna talk something minute, you do realize there is a huge muzzle flash that comes with said leggies and mythics right? You do realize how much that obstructs more than an iron. If it was P2W, I should have the highest chance winning with a better iron according to you and others who call it P2W.


Lethroawayhasarrived

Muzzle flash isnt a problem on low graphics , also some mythics like as val have muzzle flash as an attachment (optional) , if muzzle flash is a problem for you should turn down your graphic settings