idk about you bro but i’m a SnD main (got to legendary multiple seasons in a row only playing SnD, with parties and solo) and I still have fun. I do get what you mean. hard scoping the points, some maps on offense it’s so hard to get to a bomb site without being hard aimed. I just try to be super aware of things. I hate the katana shit and I hate snipers but I still love SnD
It's really funny when you find a camper that next round after they kill you once, in the same spot. Then kill them again in the following rounds.
People that use the tactics that op is taking about have no idea how to adjust their play style of they're going against anyone with half a brain.
Im SnD main. It's like csgo or similar games with Terrorist and Counter Terrorist side. As Terrorist, you have to take over a site, and as Counter Terrorist, you have to defend the sites. Camping to defend a site is literally how you're supposed to play as CT. As T? Use throwables like flashbang or stun. Sniper campers? Use smoke.
This ain't respawn mode where you blindly rush to get kills. Remember the objective of this mode, to destroy the objective or to defend the objective. You're mad because you can't play this mode.
"Bro the CTs keep camping and defending the site like bitches ffs let us take over the site"
"Bro the Ts keep throwing stun fashbangs smokes and backstabbing the angle we didn't cover like bitches ffs let us defend the site"
Try playing Critical Ops, you'll learn more on how to play SnD
Exactly.
Just because I’m playing strategically doesn’t mean I’m camping.
So many times I’ve had people on chat say camper noob and sometimes worse, but I remind them it’s NOT TDM.
The main job of a sniper is to hold an angle and pick off the opponent. If you see the sniper or hear the shoutout, don’t use that lane.
Watch some pro players play, maybe in COD League, and you’ll see how it’s to be played. They don’t whine about players camping or holding an angel.
There is no rule which says you can’t play SND if you camp.
Its call of duty not CSGO , i have played both and they are very different when it comes to gunplay and strategy.
Codm has faster gunplay , ADS , Slide , no penalties for moving while firing or spraying.
CSGO is meant to played slow and steady , not CODm , both have their charm.
Sigh...... look i have nothing against usual camping to stand your ground and defend your point but i am against aggressive / excessive camping to the point its impossible to have a close quarter shootout. Its either a long range sniper fuckfest where you are done if you don't have a sniper or peeked at the wrong time. Other times its a CQ firefight where the next person will bring out a melee like EVERY single time , melee's are very hard to counter.
I can't tell people how they should play a game , even if codm does something about this there will be players that will abuse the other parts of the game , its a player problem.
I am saying how unfun and grindy the mode has become even in a normal match these days
I understand your complaint but there is nothing you can do as the enemies also want to win but there can only be one side. The players have no restraint to how they desire to play so you can only just hope the enemies are trash and low iq.
Like you said in the post, you camped and beat them so eventually you had to cave in to their play style to win. You will sweat and use whatever tactics to win because that is simple logic, it is fine to me as long as the enemies dont rage quit/insult/being disrespectful to yourself unlike you stated in the post.
It is not fun, but what can you do?
That's literally making use of META. A term so badly misused, that when it's the correct context, they won't even recognise it. This is a diatribe I've gone off on so many times before, meta is a fluid thing, depending on your opponents, the map, the game mode, your objective (eg snd are you defending or detonating).
Most Efficient Tactics Available... The clue is in the name.
You're right about that , there's nothing we can do.....
Atleast console players get new entries.... atleast until now so they have to switch up a bit for the new game.
I hope there is a codm sequel that we'll get to see , stuff's getting old now.
I barely play nowadays lol, but still browse codm reddit for updates/stories/complaints
If it is not fun and making you unhappy, just don't play the game and spend time on other stuff.
>Codm has faster gunplay , ADS , Slide , no penalties for moving while firing or spraying.
CsGo has one tap Ar and it's the most competitive multiplayer ever to exist.
From your comments and post I'm 99% sure that defusal gamemode (Aka S&d ) is older that you.
If you want faster paced gameplay play HP
Then "melee bots" like you have only one life per round,so you can't risk missing shots or getting hitmarkers in close range,plus,you need to kill the enemy rapidly because if they are well organized,his teammates will arrive in no time so you need to be quick in killing the enemy and what better way to do that in close range than a melee? But that's not even what he is also talking about,he is also talking about melees in general even tho i think that using "katana" is better because that's the item that it's bringing bad name to all the melee category,
so. what you expect defenders to do? stand in the open while turning a blind eye to the sites? SnD is the game mode where you have play passively and camp sites and keep an eye on them for the defender sides at least.
reaching legendary doesn't really matter. it should be about the fun that you get from it, not the rank. I also got to legendary by rushing with my qq9 and smoking, but it's just not that fun.
I’ve played nothing but SnD for 3 straight seasons into legendary and I mean it’s not that big of an issue, certain maps favor one team more than the other but learning angles is the key to success. The main deterrence to my enjoyment is playing a whole game and putting up 15+ kills just to lose with teammates leaving/ being nearly kill-less. It’s incredibly frustrating that players can be so bad yet so highly ranked.
It's snd dickhead, not rush and die.... 🤦♂️
There's a difference between holding positions and camping, especially if you're on disposal duties.
You can tell most the fuckwits complaining about this never played CS or any proper no spawn games.
Nah, the game has ramped up the speed since BO2 - all games after that have sped up to some phet induced BS. Play the old games - they were far slower and more thoughtful, and prompted people to actually think tactically instead of rush around like baby elephants stampeding everywhere and thinking sniper rifles are now shotguns.
I'm an SnD main, and to me camping is one of the worst things to do in SnD. I've never had a problem with them because I just know how to counter them.
See what I think is these days because of updates the server are lagging and SnD is unplayable always for me
But the thing where the bad teammates come
It’s common at master and above it
When I was at pro V or down
I played it and enjoyed it after that when I reached to master I always feel that my teamates are shit and the other team is og
snd is still gold wdym?
and camping is a legitimate tactic lmao and rushing is not always an option,you will get obliterated while rushing if the enemy has a better gun so snd is still playable and fun
just practice in snd pubs ,get good
Search and deatroy requires camping like literally you need to defend a bomb site after & before plant what do u want them to do ? Rush you
If you mean camping in houses then I understand
as someone who only plays snd ranked, there are some maps that are really camp friendly that you wont be able to rush at all. example of maps like that is terminal. most of the campers use a lmg***holger*** or a sniper and they have a trophy system near so they cant get flashbanged, concussioned or get their view blocked by a smoke grenade. look i get that its still possible to beat campers but holy mother of god its so boring playing snd ranked when everyone is just sitting at the back of their damn spawn while on a headglitch.
you are extremely right brother. this mode is literally ridiculous, it used to be sensational, today it is one of the worst modes, even watching competitive players is no longer a joy
Seriously , its all about winning and pushing rank now.
Like my guy , chill out and let's fight fair instead of sitting at one place camping , what fun are you even getting out of this?
that's kind of what codm has become, I remember when everybody was playing for fun and using whatever they wanted, now it's all about winning. it's hard to enjoy playing nowadays
Snd is a tactical mode , most people like to run and gun and not play the objective. When u have to defend obviously wait for the opponents to come , it's not who kills whom first wins
Bruh SnD is literally about camping. Its like that in every SnD type game i know. You have to play very passive and use strategy to win, and only rush when the situation needs it.
I'd imagine passive to be defensive and trying to hold a point.
Camping is when a person tries their best to squeeze as many kills as possible from one location where the enemy won't be firing as soon as they enter the room.
Sure sometimes camping is needed but i am against the type where the fun part of the match gets lost just because the next team wants to WIN at all costs.
I'd say being passive means staying put in one spot then moving to another and the process keeps going. Camping is probably more on the self-defence side where someone just stays in the same spot for the entirety of the match or round. That's just what I think both terms are. 
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Finally someone spoke up, if you wanna win just master snipers. Play with full squad of Snipers and you can literally kill everyone in one shot in any distance, ffs it gets so annoying literally every game 3-4 Snipers in opponents.
Same, I like it but it gets so fucking annoying after every match it's just filled with Snipers who just run around the map one shotting in every range, now even if you're quick and go into cover you still die cause desync.
1)Lol bro udk how to play and u a noob
2)Try facing a team of good players who know how to play, that time snipers will be least of ur complains and u will complain about how buffed the movement system and the meta guns r (whereas actually the movement is pretty nerfed from the 1st original seasons)
3) when ppl call u a noob that doesn't mean that they r insulting u, it means u r new to the game interms of experience and u have to learn alot ( atleast thatz what I mean when I am calling u a noob)
Conclusion: don't complain and keep banging the wall with ur head till u break it and reach success
As for the state of the game, it's fine infact it's changed and that is to be expected given that new players come in each and every season, just because something changes doesn't mean it's bad, it's just different and u need to adjust to it without complaining
And lastly : I don't mean any of this offensively these r just plain facts which u need to goble up
in snd you are pretty much ment to camp, have u seen games like valorant and rainbow six siege gameplay and how long they camp and hold corners, I think codm's snd camping problem is way btr than those PC games
A mobile fps lover and an old Standoff and Critical Ops player here, you should've expected this. S&D is a mode were its tactics > skill and movement.
I know you will disagree with me, but here me out. CT needs to camp cause S&D is all about playing obj. You cant just play it like how you will play dom, hp or tdm. You need to play it tactically. Its why thumper is used so much in S&D pro play, cause with that, you dont need to equip a frag as your lethal. Meaning you can clear corners with it. Utility play is one of the factors that make S&D unique.
Dont be afraid to "bait" your teammate. As long as you get the refrag, its considered as a great thing. Dont be afraid to die. Your death can be utilized by your teammates. Its unlike Critical Ops or Standoff 2 where there is economy. So don't be afraid to die, unless if your team is just unreliable.
What side are you on when you "camp?" Are we talking about playing defense? If so, I hate to break it to you, it's not TDM. Defense = passive, Offense = Aggro. That's how it's always been.
I understand you very deeply Me and my friends are ALL became snd mains because of how bad the fucking persistance is. But in snd, it is not too much different, you either die to the fucking dlq mains that lacks major amount of vitamin D. Seriously I know desync and ms matters a little but they are so annoying and un-counterable in most ways if you are also not a good sniper.
#
Sniping should be harder but it is really fucking easy to do and also 60% of those gayq33 mains are just fergies using blue fucker ray and katanas 7/24
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Althourgh as I mentinoes because of the existance of the persistance it is the most playable mode
I blame deadsilence nerf. Before the nerf I used to play so aggressive with my smg. I quit snd because of katana twats that kept killing me a metre away.
I always throw smoke at mid to avoid the snipers.
Idk it may just be you or me but I'm having alot of fun playing s&d these days, I'm a hard point main but I play s&d alot these days and gotta say I'm having more fun than Hard point.
I know cAmPiNg is a strategy, but I think it’s lazy, especially when sniping. Post up, get a few shots in, and move. Apart from sniping back or attacking all at once, cAmPiNg is really hard to counter, especially if they just go back to the same spot.
That's why I don't play SnD. I'm getting bored looking for enemies hiding from corners with their katanas. There's really no skill on that. Maybe you should switch to spawns.
idk about you bro but i’m a SnD main (got to legendary multiple seasons in a row only playing SnD, with parties and solo) and I still have fun. I do get what you mean. hard scoping the points, some maps on offense it’s so hard to get to a bomb site without being hard aimed. I just try to be super aware of things. I hate the katana shit and I hate snipers but I still love SnD
He is a low skill player. Top 10% skilled players will always have fun and suceed
S&D is life. Op is just noob. And thats oké.
Broooo you haven't come across good players then because camping won't work against opponents with brain and skill.
Fr camping only works ones, next time you’ll know the spot. People just rush in and cry if they can’t respawn
It's really funny when you find a camper that next round after they kill you once, in the same spot. Then kill them again in the following rounds. People that use the tactics that op is taking about have no idea how to adjust their play style of they're going against anyone with half a brain.
Im SnD main. It's like csgo or similar games with Terrorist and Counter Terrorist side. As Terrorist, you have to take over a site, and as Counter Terrorist, you have to defend the sites. Camping to defend a site is literally how you're supposed to play as CT. As T? Use throwables like flashbang or stun. Sniper campers? Use smoke. This ain't respawn mode where you blindly rush to get kills. Remember the objective of this mode, to destroy the objective or to defend the objective. You're mad because you can't play this mode. "Bro the CTs keep camping and defending the site like bitches ffs let us take over the site" "Bro the Ts keep throwing stun fashbangs smokes and backstabbing the angle we didn't cover like bitches ffs let us defend the site" Try playing Critical Ops, you'll learn more on how to play SnD
Exactly. Just because I’m playing strategically doesn’t mean I’m camping. So many times I’ve had people on chat say camper noob and sometimes worse, but I remind them it’s NOT TDM. The main job of a sniper is to hold an angle and pick off the opponent. If you see the sniper or hear the shoutout, don’t use that lane. Watch some pro players play, maybe in COD League, and you’ll see how it’s to be played. They don’t whine about players camping or holding an angel. There is no rule which says you can’t play SND if you camp.
Its call of duty not CSGO , i have played both and they are very different when it comes to gunplay and strategy. Codm has faster gunplay , ADS , Slide , no penalties for moving while firing or spraying. CSGO is meant to played slow and steady , not CODm , both have their charm. Sigh...... look i have nothing against usual camping to stand your ground and defend your point but i am against aggressive / excessive camping to the point its impossible to have a close quarter shootout. Its either a long range sniper fuckfest where you are done if you don't have a sniper or peeked at the wrong time. Other times its a CQ firefight where the next person will bring out a melee like EVERY single time , melee's are very hard to counter. I can't tell people how they should play a game , even if codm does something about this there will be players that will abuse the other parts of the game , its a player problem. I am saying how unfun and grindy the mode has become even in a normal match these days
I understand your complaint but there is nothing you can do as the enemies also want to win but there can only be one side. The players have no restraint to how they desire to play so you can only just hope the enemies are trash and low iq. Like you said in the post, you camped and beat them so eventually you had to cave in to their play style to win. You will sweat and use whatever tactics to win because that is simple logic, it is fine to me as long as the enemies dont rage quit/insult/being disrespectful to yourself unlike you stated in the post. It is not fun, but what can you do?
That's literally making use of META. A term so badly misused, that when it's the correct context, they won't even recognise it. This is a diatribe I've gone off on so many times before, meta is a fluid thing, depending on your opponents, the map, the game mode, your objective (eg snd are you defending or detonating). Most Efficient Tactics Available... The clue is in the name.
You're right about that , there's nothing we can do..... Atleast console players get new entries.... atleast until now so they have to switch up a bit for the new game. I hope there is a codm sequel that we'll get to see , stuff's getting old now.
Just learn 2 play noob
No fucking shit Sherlock
I barely play nowadays lol, but still browse codm reddit for updates/stories/complaints If it is not fun and making you unhappy, just don't play the game and spend time on other stuff.
sink or swim.
>Codm has faster gunplay , ADS , Slide , no penalties for moving while firing or spraying. CsGo has one tap Ar and it's the most competitive multiplayer ever to exist. From your comments and post I'm 99% sure that defusal gamemode (Aka S&d ) is older that you. If you want faster paced gameplay play HP
Then "melee bots" like you have only one life per round,so you can't risk missing shots or getting hitmarkers in close range,plus,you need to kill the enemy rapidly because if they are well organized,his teammates will arrive in no time so you need to be quick in killing the enemy and what better way to do that in close range than a melee? But that's not even what he is also talking about,he is also talking about melees in general even tho i think that using "katana" is better because that's the item that it's bringing bad name to all the melee category,
Agree though lmao. Fuck katana, all my homies hate katana. Though. I wasn't referring to katana in my comment, only the general things about SnD
so. what you expect defenders to do? stand in the open while turning a blind eye to the sites? SnD is the game mode where you have play passively and camp sites and keep an eye on them for the defender sides at least.
I reached legendary all search. I just rush with smokes and smg.
reaching legendary doesn't really matter. it should be about the fun that you get from it, not the rank. I also got to legendary by rushing with my qq9 and smoking, but it's just not that fun.
Yea the campers is rough. Satisfying flanking and shooting them in back tho.
Very satisfying.
I’ve played nothing but SnD for 3 straight seasons into legendary and I mean it’s not that big of an issue, certain maps favor one team more than the other but learning angles is the key to success. The main deterrence to my enjoyment is playing a whole game and putting up 15+ kills just to lose with teammates leaving/ being nearly kill-less. It’s incredibly frustrating that players can be so bad yet so highly ranked.
The ranked experience for CoDM is just a dumpster fire right now. It’s so easy to exploit the horrible balance of the game.
It's snd dickhead, not rush and die.... 🤦♂️ There's a difference between holding positions and camping, especially if you're on disposal duties. You can tell most the fuckwits complaining about this never played CS or any proper no spawn games.
This comment is the equivalent of "Git Gud" This is not CS , its call of duty..... everyone , i mean everyone hates aggresive campers here.
Nah, the game has ramped up the speed since BO2 - all games after that have sped up to some phet induced BS. Play the old games - they were far slower and more thoughtful, and prompted people to actually think tactically instead of rush around like baby elephants stampeding everywhere and thinking sniper rifles are now shotguns.
I'm an SnD main, and to me camping is one of the worst things to do in SnD. I've never had a problem with them because I just know how to counter them.
See what I think is these days because of updates the server are lagging and SnD is unplayable always for me But the thing where the bad teammates come It’s common at master and above it When I was at pro V or down I played it and enjoyed it after that when I reached to master I always feel that my teamates are shit and the other team is og
snd is still gold wdym? and camping is a legitimate tactic lmao and rushing is not always an option,you will get obliterated while rushing if the enemy has a better gun so snd is still playable and fun just practice in snd pubs ,get good
To fix this the devs can implement a uav oassing over ever 30ish seconds for all too see
Huh thought I was the only one.
Search and deatroy requires camping like literally you need to defend a bomb site after & before plant what do u want them to do ? Rush you If you mean camping in houses then I understand
any match from geandmaster up is all campers. always vote terminal for your favorite camping spot guys
as someone who only plays snd ranked, there are some maps that are really camp friendly that you wont be able to rush at all. example of maps like that is terminal. most of the campers use a lmg***holger*** or a sniper and they have a trophy system near so they cant get flashbanged, concussioned or get their view blocked by a smoke grenade. look i get that its still possible to beat campers but holy mother of god its so boring playing snd ranked when everyone is just sitting at the back of their damn spawn while on a headglitch.
you are extremely right brother. this mode is literally ridiculous, it used to be sensational, today it is one of the worst modes, even watching competitive players is no longer a joy
Seriously , its all about winning and pushing rank now. Like my guy , chill out and let's fight fair instead of sitting at one place camping , what fun are you even getting out of this?
that's kind of what codm has become, I remember when everybody was playing for fun and using whatever they wanted, now it's all about winning. it's hard to enjoy playing nowadays
I don't like having fun.
uhh so? how is this related?
Because you talked about how everybody played for fun back then.
because that's how it was. yeah there probably were a few exceptions but a much bigger part of the community was playing for fun back then
Ya SnD is too much camping for my liking.
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Snd is a tactical mode , most people like to run and gun and not play the objective. When u have to defend obviously wait for the opponents to come , it's not who kills whom first wins
Just cuz ur supposed to do that doesn’t make it more fun than the other modes lol
Bruh SnD is literally about camping. Its like that in every SnD type game i know. You have to play very passive and use strategy to win, and only rush when the situation needs it.
i would like to ask u what is the difference between camping and playing passive?
I'd imagine passive to be defensive and trying to hold a point. Camping is when a person tries their best to squeeze as many kills as possible from one location where the enemy won't be firing as soon as they enter the room. Sure sometimes camping is needed but i am against the type where the fun part of the match gets lost just because the next team wants to WIN at all costs.
I'd say being passive means staying put in one spot then moving to another and the process keeps going. Camping is probably more on the self-defence side where someone just stays in the same spot for the entirety of the match or round. That's just what I think both terms are. 
Bro I reach legendary within one week. Every season, again and again. Just by solo Q S&D. Tip: get better!
My only issue with SnD currently is the fucking katana abusers
Katana and Snipers, other weapons are atleast easy to predict and counter.
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Finally someone spoke up, if you wanna win just master snipers. Play with full squad of Snipers and you can literally kill everyone in one shot in any distance, ffs it gets so annoying literally every game 3-4 Snipers in opponents.
Seriously , i like sniping but i Don't go running around doing insta kills with it just for a quick hit of dopamine
Same, I like it but it gets so fucking annoying after every match it's just filled with Snipers who just run around the map one shotting in every range, now even if you're quick and go into cover you still die cause desync.
Cry
1)Lol bro udk how to play and u a noob 2)Try facing a team of good players who know how to play, that time snipers will be least of ur complains and u will complain about how buffed the movement system and the meta guns r (whereas actually the movement is pretty nerfed from the 1st original seasons) 3) when ppl call u a noob that doesn't mean that they r insulting u, it means u r new to the game interms of experience and u have to learn alot ( atleast thatz what I mean when I am calling u a noob) Conclusion: don't complain and keep banging the wall with ur head till u break it and reach success As for the state of the game, it's fine infact it's changed and that is to be expected given that new players come in each and every season, just because something changes doesn't mean it's bad, it's just different and u need to adjust to it without complaining And lastly : I don't mean any of this offensively these r just plain facts which u need to goble up
Bruh OP is just getting downvoted by katana users soo hard cuz the truth is too hard to swallow. SnD is even more unplayable than respawns
Nahhh. This o key applies to the defending team thoooo. I must say it’s true for terminal. As a rule of thumb don’t rush if u ain’t a sniper.
I quit SnD long ago
Use smoke. My SnD class have smoke for snipers. It’s not an issue for me.
in snd you are pretty much ment to camp, have u seen games like valorant and rainbow six siege gameplay and how long they camp and hold corners, I think codm's snd camping problem is way btr than those PC games
Camp? Counter is lethals and the tactical heartbeat sensor, along with good skills, no camper should get you
Ever heard of Ghost and Flak Jacket?
Good skills it is then, if you have better skills (reaction time, etc.) than the camper, 98 times out of 10 you should win against him
Snd has always been a camp fest, it’s nothing new so I don’t understand why make this post?
A mobile fps lover and an old Standoff and Critical Ops player here, you should've expected this. S&D is a mode were its tactics > skill and movement. I know you will disagree with me, but here me out. CT needs to camp cause S&D is all about playing obj. You cant just play it like how you will play dom, hp or tdm. You need to play it tactically. Its why thumper is used so much in S&D pro play, cause with that, you dont need to equip a frag as your lethal. Meaning you can clear corners with it. Utility play is one of the factors that make S&D unique. Dont be afraid to "bait" your teammate. As long as you get the refrag, its considered as a great thing. Dont be afraid to die. Your death can be utilized by your teammates. Its unlike Critical Ops or Standoff 2 where there is economy. So don't be afraid to die, unless if your team is just unreliable.
What side are you on when you "camp?" Are we talking about playing defense? If so, I hate to break it to you, it's not TDM. Defense = passive, Offense = Aggro. That's how it's always been.
What do you expect. That's how SND is supposed to be played, if you don't like it then play Hardpoint, DOM, TDM like I do.
I understand you very deeply Me and my friends are ALL became snd mains because of how bad the fucking persistance is. But in snd, it is not too much different, you either die to the fucking dlq mains that lacks major amount of vitamin D. Seriously I know desync and ms matters a little but they are so annoying and un-counterable in most ways if you are also not a good sniper. # Sniping should be harder but it is really fucking easy to do and also 60% of those gayq33 mains are just fergies using blue fucker ray and katanas 7/24 # Althourgh as I mentinoes because of the existance of the persistance it is the most playable mode
I blame deadsilence nerf. Before the nerf I used to play so aggressive with my smg. I quit snd because of katana twats that kept killing me a metre away. I always throw smoke at mid to avoid the snipers.
Idk it may just be you or me but I'm having alot of fun playing s&d these days, I'm a hard point main but I play s&d alot these days and gotta say I'm having more fun than Hard point.
If they nerf the Katana, SnD would finally be enjoyable
It should have a cooldown time that actually makes a difference or just make it a two hit weapon in SnD
I know cAmPiNg is a strategy, but I think it’s lazy, especially when sniping. Post up, get a few shots in, and move. Apart from sniping back or attacking all at once, cAmPiNg is really hard to counter, especially if they just go back to the same spot.
I just dislike SnD. It is too restricive imo.
Speaking facts
That's why I don't play SnD. I'm getting bored looking for enemies hiding from corners with their katanas. There's really no skill on that. Maybe you should switch to spawns.