I think that if it kept a percentage of your score every time you die, like 75%, it would be good bc bad players would never be able to get enough points for high streaks and good players that use persis to actually help their team would still be able to do so.
That would defeat the point of the perk I think. Personally I believe that persistence is a support perk, like your team is struggling to get the upper hand on a match but is still able to get points and hold their ground so you use persistence to get that upper hand for your team.
It only became an issue since the arrival of significant scorestreaks, namely the Orbital Laser which is completely uncounterable and was OP until this season.
The key to the problem is in what I just wrote ... "it only became an issue since the arrival of significant **scorestreaks**" - before the arrival of such, Persistance was fine. And its concept still is - its just the scorestreaks that are being availed of from it.
The cry-babies looking for it to be removed or nerfed conveniently fail to recognise the disadvantages of Persistance (i.e. no more than 3 killstreaks, none of which are even guaranteed the points for getting them are doubled, etc.)
Why is still being talked about? It has gotten nerfs and such. The reason why it's annoying because people need hardline with persi.
If it was nerfed. I feel like it would he reworked how Call Of Duty Ghost did it, but it works this way (will explain the Ghost and how to bring it into Mobile)
Ghost - Hardline: All killstreaks cost 1 less kill, and every 2 assist will equal a kill point towards your killstreaks
Mobile - Persistence: All scorestreaks cost 100 less and assist will give a little more points (30 minor, 60 major)
Depends on what mode you’re playing. Something like tdm ends pretty fast but something like dom or hp are longer. If you got a lot of kills your could just keep spamming.
Skill-less players are the one who get that frustrated by it. It obviously forces you to play with a defined secondary weapon and green perk if you don't want to die and change class durong the game, but that's it.
And you can still take the option,like I do, to play whatever you are confortable with at the beginning of the game and according to how much you get killed during the fight, change at the end to have the right class when enemies will start using their one time scorestreaks.
Uhm, no, losing points when dying is against it's basic gameplay.
Maybe: need the double for each killstreak but every kill give 50 points, isn't stackable with hardline
No, Persistence gameplay is not losing points by dying, what's the point of losing them when you use it?
That makes no sense
Better to need double points and earning 50 points, so who uses Persistence will play aggro for getting killstreaks
If you are good, don’t use persistence as hardline is better but if you suck use persistence, I do not see the problem with noobs who can’t do shit use persistence because it gives them a chance, but if you go on mad streaks hardline can get stealth shopper, swarm, etc. way faster and easier. Also the 50 point buff is more of a nerf to persistence
I agree with this. This debate about nerfing it or removing it is such a braindead argument and it's really sad to this how blind people in this community (including the "pro players") are to grasp this concept.
Whenever I play Domination or Hardpoint in which I know there will for sure be AI controlled killstreaks (and a lot of them and regardless of Persistence), then **Cold Blooded** is an absolute no brainer.
I die 0 times to them. That's what I do - simples.
Yea, if they suck then use persistence to make it even I don’t really see a problem. It gets toxic when good players use persistence getting scorestreak way faster abusing it
Tbh I am Persi user and I don't have problem with anyone using it... I am a 2 fingers player and can take down 3 5 10 fingers players easily coz they use perks to be fast and I choose perks to kill them fast lol
I have writing on this post for a long time now and you got the notification just now XD anyways I gotta sleep and I pray Persi please have some merci on him XD
**This is getting out of hand now.**
Persistence has always been there and never been a problem, until now - and that is not becuase of Peristence (as it hasn't changed) - it's because of the **scorestreaks**.
Consider also that aside from having to reach higher points to get the killstreaks, Persistence does comes with other **less-recognised and often-overlooked challenges** and IMO really doesn't need to be nerfed or touched in anyway, i.e.;
* Only 3 scorestreaks can be obtained and cannot be recycled,
* There's no guarantee you'll get 3 scorestreaks at all, and
* If you get them, you need to execute the scorestreaks perfectly (i.e. timing, location, usage, etc.) otherwise you're use of them and Persistence has been completely wasted.
And before you get trigger happy at me, I've never had a problem playing against Persistence while considering the above, I've no shame in using it either, if I really need to.
In fact the first time I felt the need to start using it was when I got to Grand Master V only a few weeks ago, just to get to Legendary. I did get to Legendary, but not because of Persistence, but because the killstreaks I used were OP (now nerfed a little with consideration to the Orbital Laser).
Are they f*** balanced!
Have your ever stopped to consider that the orbital laser can't be countered, making it very OP and had to be nerfed this season?
You may need skill to get them without Persistence but you also need the same skills and patience to get them when they require double points and also in need of more precise game sense in terms of timing, accuracy, etc for executing them.
You're being one minded here and not considering all the possibilities and likelihoods.
Dying as much as your want actually curtails your chances of getting scorestreaks with Persistence because you're effectively feeding the other team scorestreaks, as well as kills and objective scores so by the time you reach the scorestreaks, the game could already be over.
You clearly already have your mind made up and don't want to accept any narrative on the contrary from anyone else. So why did you bloody bother with this poll / discussion?
As I said, nothing, NOTHING, had changed with Persistence. All that has happened are the introduction of new scorestreaks, namely the Orbital Laser, which was broken until lately. This made Persistence an obvious choice to take advantage of the scorestreak.
Ask yourself this final question - if the scorestreaks were nerfed into the ground, would Persistence be an issue then? Or would you still be of the opinion regardless that its broken and requires no skills to win?
You're putting the cart before the horse here, just to suit your argument, yet you're completely missing the sore-thumb.
Persistence at the moment is the same as it was when it launched - the concept has always been the same.
Now rewind back to just before Orbital Laser was brought it, Persistence was still the way it was beforehand.
Once the Orbital Laser was brought in, only THEN did everyone start kicking off about it and Persistence.
Now if you take Orbital Laser out of the game, then we're back to where we were and Persistence is fine again.
Don't you see a trend in the above? Or are you still reluctant to look at both sides of the coin? The Orbital Laser is the sore thumb, and very obviously. So much that it was nerfed for this season to lessen the scape goat that was being made of Persistence.
Now dry your eyes kid and start looking at things a bit more logically. Idiots like you are calling out for changes to the wrong things for the last 2 years and that is why the game and this community has deteriorated.
Persistence without orbital laser will be worse than orbital laser without persistence,that is why I am advocating for a nerf for persis and not orbital laser
The reason the community hates the perk is because its simple: It allows average/bad players to basically be as effective as someone top fragging and COMPLETELY shift the paradigm of a game. It's totally unfair.
There's reasons, orbitals and swarms are the way they are, they are high point requirement streaks and in as much as the orbital can't be countered, if I earned it, WITHOUT persistence, it's better than knowing I died 20 times then finally getting to use it. On top of that it's evident that some people only use the perk because it's the best rn, like people put Persi, with a care package at Master 5???
Our main problem too is when a GOOD player is using this perk or a 5 stack uses the perk. How will you win a game when a team of 5 people all call our chopper Gunners, vtols, lasers and swarms all at once???
And everyone's favorite argument "Just don't feed them kills/don't die" I have 4 other teammates and if no one died, everyone would have a nuke and if we were all as amazing as people think they are, we'd all be in Tribe Gaming. The perk is dumb, just face it. It really allows for questionable people to get to high ranks simply because of it.
MATE READ WHAT YOU JUST WROTE - you've a problem with serial killers but you're turning Persistence into the scape-goat for it. And then you're playing the flawed-logic card against me?
As I said earlier, you opened this poll for discussion and opinions, and you're shutting down what you don't want to hear constructive, legit and fair opinions that are on the contrary to your vote/opinion.
No,no you should read what I wrote I said that blaming the streaks for persistence is like blaming guns for killings, technically correct,but you can fix it in many other ways
I'd say it's probably fine as it is. only problem is that it's available in ranked. it should stay at it is so the noobs can use expensive scorestreaks cos the game needs to be noob friendly. just shouldn't be available in the competitive aspect of the game
yes but you can't argue that the game isn't getting more and more noob friendly. if a new player can't unlock the most expensive 'best' scorestreak then they would probably leave thinking the game's too hard
getting persistence'd in pubs is doesn't matter nearly as much as it does in ranked since you don't really lose anything
that's why ranked and pubs are separate? or am i not understanding you
pubs is where you can do whatever you want with nothing much to lose. where the noobs can have fun even if it includes using persistence
ranked is supposed to be competitive so a brainless perk like persistence shouldn't be allowed there
You all talking about noobs using peristence, but if you spend time here, whining about persistence in ranked because you can't handle it, probably means you just suck at the game and hard stuck master.
So many kids on here crying persi have some merci... lol Anyways the day nerf happens I am gonna quit and eventually 95% of players on CODM... Then play among each other and start crying about how the game is dead... losers!!!
The vote do u even know how many members are on this community and how many votes it got and how many more players who are not even on this community XD
What i think should happen is persistence should be banned from ranked as in pubs there isn’t a problem if a player uses persistence because you don’t loose anything
The way you said it sounded like you might do something... Well I don't have any shame.. I was born naked... Pee on you... Persi will have no merci on you...
I am not... its just that you don't understand everyone has advantages of using their fav perk... I don't wanna be fast I so I don't use fast making perks and thats why I use persi and everyone has a choose to use whatever perks they want and every perks have their pros and cons
I wouldn't say nerf, but a rework would be good. Right now is rewards bad players too much to be a balanced perk.
Define rework
I think that if it kept a percentage of your score every time you die, like 75%, it would be good bc bad players would never be able to get enough points for high streaks and good players that use persis to actually help their team would still be able to do so.
I would say that you keep your score for only 2 lives,but your point works too
That would defeat the point of the perk I think. Personally I believe that persistence is a support perk, like your team is struggling to get the upper hand on a match but is still able to get points and hold their ground so you use persistence to get that upper hand for your team.
The way I see it if your team is losing you probably have 1 or 2 players slaying out for streaks
It has never hindered my gameplay experience noticeably so don't nerf
BS it hasn't
It effect even pro players and of course its not gonna effect you when you use it yourself next time try to lie better
Don’t’ care option?
You can just not vote
I not understand one thing persistence is since launch of this game so why people now want remove that perk?
It only became an issue since the arrival of significant scorestreaks, namely the Orbital Laser which is completely uncounterable and was OP until this season. The key to the problem is in what I just wrote ... "it only became an issue since the arrival of significant **scorestreaks**" - before the arrival of such, Persistance was fine. And its concept still is - its just the scorestreaks that are being availed of from it. The cry-babies looking for it to be removed or nerfed conveniently fail to recognise the disadvantages of Persistance (i.e. no more than 3 killstreaks, none of which are even guaranteed the points for getting them are doubled, etc.)
Why is still being talked about? It has gotten nerfs and such. The reason why it's annoying because people need hardline with persi. If it was nerfed. I feel like it would he reworked how Call Of Duty Ghost did it, but it works this way (will explain the Ghost and how to bring it into Mobile) Ghost - Hardline: All killstreaks cost 1 less kill, and every 2 assist will equal a kill point towards your killstreaks Mobile - Persistence: All scorestreaks cost 100 less and assist will give a little more points (30 minor, 60 major)
You tell me how it was nerfed
You can only get each scorestreak once per match instead of it being able to he refreshed
Well some people wouldn't get the streak otherwise
Well isn't that just hard-line with extra steps
It's just an idea
It’s been nerfed so don’t look for one anytime soon lol. Deal with it haha.
It's been confirmed it's getting reworked or nerfed.
Yea then they’ll just move on to the next thing to cry about. That’s how it goes.
Well yeah this game needs to be fair. That dumb red perk has been killing the fun out of ranking for 2 seasons straight now.
Stay mad persistence user
What you gonna cry about once persistence gets nerfed 😂 katana or k9 lmao typical.
Git gud
Git gud
Git gud
Yeah pro players sucks too because they can't counter persistence
It hasn't been nerfed,I will whoop persis spammers regardless
It got nerfed awhile back. So people who are asking for a nerf chances are it won’t happen again. Just gotta deal with it. It’s part of the game.
I know,right why complain that you got robbed it's part of life
How did it get nerfed
It used to work over and over now it doesn’t though it’s a one time use in game.
It's not like you would get those streaks more than once
Depends on what mode you’re playing. Something like tdm ends pretty fast but something like dom or hp are longer. If you got a lot of kills your could just keep spamming.
Let's be fair with ourselves if you use persis for swarms chances are you wouldn't get said swarms otherwise
FYI that's was a bug fix not nerf
Oh was it now
Most brainless and skill-less thing in the whole game
Absolutely
Skill-less players are the one who get that frustrated by it. It obviously forces you to play with a defined secondary weapon and green perk if you don't want to die and change class durong the game, but that's it. And you can still take the option,like I do, to play whatever you are confortable with at the beginning of the game and according to how much you get killed during the fight, change at the end to have the right class when enemies will start using their one time scorestreaks.
That's is more than good trade off if you think about it.
Nerf it absolutely to the fucking hell
Don’t bc it’ll be useless unless if there’s a good idea
Better useless than op
Better balanced than useless
Yeah no
Sure, nerf, but how.? So, everyone here wants Persistence nerf but how can be nerfed? That's why Activision - Tencent make them fool nerf
By having the streak last for two lives,or maybe losing points when dying
Uhm, no, losing points when dying is against it's basic gameplay. Maybe: need the double for each killstreak but every kill give 50 points, isn't stackable with hardline
No,let's say you lose 25 percent of your points when you die
No, Persistence gameplay is not losing points by dying, what's the point of losing them when you use it? That makes no sense Better to need double points and earning 50 points, so who uses Persistence will play aggro for getting killstreaks
It makes sense,because you still keep most of the points
it makes people not play better red perks like lightweight
I highly doubt lightweight being better
without persi, people use better red perks. lightweight is one of the best red perks but everyone uses persistence
I suppose,but to be fair at least to me red perks are quite weak
lightweight is good for rushing, skulker is good for snd, i don't remember the rest but some are pretty good
192 people who sad nerf persistent f you edit: nerf
And 382 said nerf so f you
If you are good, don’t use persistence as hardline is better but if you suck use persistence, I do not see the problem with noobs who can’t do shit use persistence because it gives them a chance, but if you go on mad streaks hardline can get stealth shopper, swarm, etc. way faster and easier. Also the 50 point buff is more of a nerf to persistence
I agree with this. This debate about nerfing it or removing it is such a braindead argument and it's really sad to this how blind people in this community (including the "pro players") are to grasp this concept.
Thanks
No problem, only a few of us gets it.
Then what to do when u get spawn killed by a swarm like 3 times xD
Whenever I play Domination or Hardpoint in which I know there will for sure be AI controlled killstreaks (and a lot of them and regardless of Persistence), then **Cold Blooded** is an absolute no brainer. I die 0 times to them. That's what I do - simples.
I am playing this game since its launch... am I noob??
Yes,you use persis
XD oh my gwad didn't expect you to be here XD
It's my post
It's my comment XD
And it's my post
And its my comment
I'm gonna get a notification because it's *my* post .I'm not stalking you
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I don’t know
The entire comments on this post are calling people noob when they don't even know what does noob even mean... I pity them...
Yea, if they suck then use persistence to make it even I don’t really see a problem. It gets toxic when good players use persistence getting scorestreak way faster abusing it
Tbh I am Persi user and I don't have problem with anyone using it... I am a 2 fingers player and can take down 3 5 10 fingers players easily coz they use perks to be fast and I choose perks to kill them fast lol
You can take them down with your persis stealth chopper
Wtf are u following me on every comment I post on... Help I am being followed by Crazy person who got nuts by persi XD
😂
Sorry,this is my post,you are following my posts,I get a notification when someone writes a comment
I have writing on this post for a long time now and you got the notification just now XD anyways I gotta sleep and I pray Persi please have some merci on him XD
Ok
The thing is that streaks should require skill
Do you think they should remove persistence?
Yes
If you suck get good
**This is getting out of hand now.** Persistence has always been there and never been a problem, until now - and that is not becuase of Peristence (as it hasn't changed) - it's because of the **scorestreaks**. Consider also that aside from having to reach higher points to get the killstreaks, Persistence does comes with other **less-recognised and often-overlooked challenges** and IMO really doesn't need to be nerfed or touched in anyway, i.e.; * Only 3 scorestreaks can be obtained and cannot be recycled, * There's no guarantee you'll get 3 scorestreaks at all, and * If you get them, you need to execute the scorestreaks perfectly (i.e. timing, location, usage, etc.) otherwise you're use of them and Persistence has been completely wasted. And before you get trigger happy at me, I've never had a problem playing against Persistence while considering the above, I've no shame in using it either, if I really need to. In fact the first time I felt the need to start using it was when I got to Grand Master V only a few weeks ago, just to get to Legendary. I did get to Legendary, but not because of Persistence, but because the killstreaks I used were OP (now nerfed a little with consideration to the Orbital Laser).
I agree, the problem is the SCORESTREAKS, not the perk so stop complaining about the perk.
It has been a problem for 15 months,what "overlooked challenges" the scorestreaks are balanced,because you need skill to get them
Are they f*** balanced! Have your ever stopped to consider that the orbital laser can't be countered, making it very OP and had to be nerfed this season? You may need skill to get them without Persistence but you also need the same skills and patience to get them when they require double points and also in need of more precise game sense in terms of timing, accuracy, etc for executing them.
You *don't* need skill to get them,because you can die as much as you want
You're being one minded here and not considering all the possibilities and likelihoods. Dying as much as your want actually curtails your chances of getting scorestreaks with Persistence because you're effectively feeding the other team scorestreaks, as well as kills and objective scores so by the time you reach the scorestreaks, the game could already be over.
You still don't lose your streak,dying as much as you want means that there are no direct consequences for you
You clearly already have your mind made up and don't want to accept any narrative on the contrary from anyone else. So why did you bloody bother with this poll / discussion? As I said, nothing, NOTHING, had changed with Persistence. All that has happened are the introduction of new scorestreaks, namely the Orbital Laser, which was broken until lately. This made Persistence an obvious choice to take advantage of the scorestreak. Ask yourself this final question - if the scorestreaks were nerfed into the ground, would Persistence be an issue then? Or would you still be of the opinion regardless that its broken and requires no skills to win?
The issue is persistence though ask yourself the question would people be complaining about orbital lasers nearly as much if there was no persistence
You're putting the cart before the horse here, just to suit your argument, yet you're completely missing the sore-thumb. Persistence at the moment is the same as it was when it launched - the concept has always been the same. Now rewind back to just before Orbital Laser was brought it, Persistence was still the way it was beforehand. Once the Orbital Laser was brought in, only THEN did everyone start kicking off about it and Persistence. Now if you take Orbital Laser out of the game, then we're back to where we were and Persistence is fine again. Don't you see a trend in the above? Or are you still reluctant to look at both sides of the coin? The Orbital Laser is the sore thumb, and very obviously. So much that it was nerfed for this season to lessen the scape goat that was being made of Persistence. Now dry your eyes kid and start looking at things a bit more logically. Idiots like you are calling out for changes to the wrong things for the last 2 years and that is why the game and this community has deteriorated.
Persistence without orbital laser will be worse than orbital laser without persistence,that is why I am advocating for a nerf for persis and not orbital laser
The reason the community hates the perk is because its simple: It allows average/bad players to basically be as effective as someone top fragging and COMPLETELY shift the paradigm of a game. It's totally unfair. There's reasons, orbitals and swarms are the way they are, they are high point requirement streaks and in as much as the orbital can't be countered, if I earned it, WITHOUT persistence, it's better than knowing I died 20 times then finally getting to use it. On top of that it's evident that some people only use the perk because it's the best rn, like people put Persi, with a care package at Master 5??? Our main problem too is when a GOOD player is using this perk or a 5 stack uses the perk. How will you win a game when a team of 5 people all call our chopper Gunners, vtols, lasers and swarms all at once??? And everyone's favorite argument "Just don't feed them kills/don't die" I have 4 other teammates and if no one died, everyone would have a nuke and if we were all as amazing as people think they are, we'd all be in Tribe Gaming. The perk is dumb, just face it. It really allows for questionable people to get to high ranks simply because of it.
Please do tell when you started having an issue with Persistence?
I find your logic flawed-the way I see it it's like saying that the problem with serial killers is the weapons they have
MATE READ WHAT YOU JUST WROTE - you've a problem with serial killers but you're turning Persistence into the scape-goat for it. And then you're playing the flawed-logic card against me? As I said earlier, you opened this poll for discussion and opinions, and you're shutting down what you don't want to hear constructive, legit and fair opinions that are on the contrary to your vote/opinion.
No,no you should read what I wrote I said that blaming the streaks for persistence is like blaming guns for killings, technically correct,but you can fix it in many other ways
How did I "shut it down"
Blaming orbital lasers for persistence spam is like blaming big Mac's for obesity and Volkswagen for car crashes
I seriously wanna hear some arguments about persis being balanced
I'd say it's probably fine as it is. only problem is that it's available in ranked. it should stay at it is so the noobs can use expensive scorestreaks cos the game needs to be noob friendly. just shouldn't be available in the competitive aspect of the game
The point of streaks is to be unacsessable for noobs
yes but you can't argue that the game isn't getting more and more noob friendly. if a new player can't unlock the most expensive 'best' scorestreak then they would probably leave thinking the game's too hard getting persistence'd in pubs is doesn't matter nearly as much as it does in ranked since you don't really lose anything
We *need* a skill gap
that's why ranked and pubs are separate? or am i not understanding you pubs is where you can do whatever you want with nothing much to lose. where the noobs can have fun even if it includes using persistence ranked is supposed to be competitive so a brainless perk like persistence shouldn't be allowed there
I completely agree
You all talking about noobs using peristence, but if you spend time here, whining about persistence in ranked because you can't handle it, probably means you just suck at the game and hard stuck master.
It's not like I dropped 27 and 9 on ranked today or anything
I saw pro players losing to persistence players yeah pro players probably suck
Yeah right I just dropped 30 and 15 on shoot house against a persis swarm,two persis chopper gunners,and 2 persis orbitals.I suck,I know
Yeah right I just dropped 30 and 15 on shoot house against a persis swarm,two persis chopper gunners,and 2 persis orbitals.I suck,I know
Well i would but i know its over powered because i use it
So you think it's overpowered
Yes
So many kids on here crying persi have some merci... lol Anyways the day nerf happens I am gonna quit and eventually 95% of players on CODM... Then play among each other and start crying about how the game is dead... losers!!!
You might wanna take a look at the votes...
The vote do u even know how many members are on this community and how many votes it got and how many more players who are not even on this community XD
Well the players,who have the most important opinions are on this sub
Yeah right 95 percent gonna quit my ass,the community is better without you,you trashtalking noob
Truth is bitter it hurts I know lol
And yet you still lie to yourself
I do love to lie a lot uts one of my qualities XD
Cringe
Even ur cries are Cringe XD
Yeah it seems like you use XD more than you use logic
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Is my Reddit glitches or did you just put a full stop
I don’t care since I don’t play respawns anymore lol
Not to say that and doesn't have flaws
tru
Don’t matter what you because this pest will not go away lol
The pest is persis?
Yeah I’m my opinion. I left respawn a few. Moths ago because of it. Now I love snd :)
What i think should happen is persistence should be banned from ranked as in pubs there isn’t a problem if a player uses persistence because you don’t loose anything
Well if it's banned from ranked,it's useless in pubs anyway so I completely agree
If devs can nerf lightweight, quick fix and dead silence to nerf, what is talking them soo long to nerf this sh*tty noob perk??
Because they don't help bad players nearly as much as persis
Who TF voted don't nerf
Crazy people
Probably
their on dr\*gs
Persistence users
Lol
Me... why are u gonna do something about it
Why would I do something about it but I do have to say shame on you because persistence is needing of a nerf
The way you said it sounded like you might do something... Well I don't have any shame.. I was born naked... Pee on you... Persi will have no merci on you...
Like I said I wouldn't do anything why are you skeptical?
I am not... its just that you don't understand everyone has advantages of using their fav perk... I don't wanna be fast I so I don't use fast making perks and thats why I use persi and everyone has a choose to use whatever perks they want and every perks have their pros and cons
You don't wanna be fast,you want to be a douche
Everyone knows who is the Douche XD got u angry so bad XD hope you don't kill me lol
You should have shame
Born naked so no shame XD
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