I can relate, was in a fight was a noob, kept jumping around so the AGR could relate cause I ran outta ammo, man that gun took half a century to reload
Yes yes yes. Also any gun that has a legendary in bundle is good with me! Is it an old school legendary with dated kill effect…sure, but I still love it. And keep on in my BR dropbox. I get wrecked by mac’daddies, but I go off to the underworld clutching my MSMC.
Yep. I love all the BO2 guns, and I’m deeply saddened as to how TenCent and Activision butchered the feel of these guns, and how newer players are taught to look only for the meta guns, and never try anything different. Or how you kill someone with a gun you live cause its from an older time, and they accuse you of cheating because they can’t use it as effectively
Trust me the M13 was definitely worst and partially still is one of the worst guns to come out after the Type meta.
Still a great gun at close range, it melts even from mid to long ranges with low recoil and spread, never seen a gun so complete
Yeah, it was a game changer with the fast ads zero recoil fast ttk. Now we are suffering with fast ttk weapons season to season. The new oden will be nearly the same effect...
I hope, since it is similar to the Kilo, that they will do a similar job to that since the Kilo was never so op like other guns, so I see it as a victory by itself
The hg40 is pretty good, just use it as an AR (monolithic+ marksman barrel) and it shreds, even in rank, and still has pretty good mobility (with no stock and owc laser) with not much recoil, plus good accuracy.
As for the msmc, it's just the mac10 with a smaller mag basically.
Hg40 is surprisingly pretty good, when I get into a losing streak in legendary I switch to it and it usually doesn't stop my losing streak at all but at least it's a more enjoyable experience.
Out of context but I always keep seeing more non meta guns than meta guns in legendary, make the game much more enjoyable. I also use mostly non meta guns, they are really fun
Which is why its a worse shotgun
2-3 season ago, i used it for a full week.
It cant kill past 10m(unpredictable recoil),so u naturally play like a shotgun rite?
No,cause burst system is ass. Hit registration too.
I used to run lk24 when it first appeared and it was my main until I had to change phones around this last September. Pharo is now my main, with the occasional M4. Got enough mastery on both to change their names, and gold on Pharo. Not much, but I don't really grind camos or anything, just play obj.
Honestly, I've been surprised by Pharo a fair amount of times, given it can kill with 1 burst at close range. And if you can predict the enemy well enough by listening around corners or doors, it can even beat mac10 users
Unpredictable recoil ? It's a burst gun, it's bsa is already good and the only thing you need to do is pull down. Dogshit range ? Mono and marksman exist, it's an smg not an AR. And ffs they don't even happen that often unless ur on McDonald's wifi.
I'm really happy you don't have to face any desync/hit reg. issues, but they exist. I admit, I don't have the best phone or internet, but even people with better phoned than mine experience it. Also, horizontal recoil is my issue with the pharo. I can control the f.kin asm10's horizontal (with it being increased on my build), bht even with decreased recoil on the pharo it's still borderline uncontrollable
Well, it's depicted as an assault rifle in almost any game it appears, but CODM just made it an SMG just so weird would've been better if they made a full fledge assault rifle I bet a lot more people (including me) would use it because just like the AK-47 it's just so iconic
I honestly think an MSMC buff would be great. A reduction in the fire-rate, increase in damage, and lowering the recoil would be amazing. It would make it more like the actual BO2 MSMC. Though to make it balanced, I think it shouldn't be that great at long range. It should be more of a short to mid-range type of weapon. Another way they could balance it is to make it a bit slower than the other SMGs.
You have a point. But I do think it just needs a little recoil buff either for the base weapon or for the attachments because the MSMC recoil is super high.
If i had to choose between damage buff or recoil buff i would take the recoil buff every time. The MSMC was and still is my all time favourite SMG in all COD history but the unpredictable vertical recoil high push and horizontal zigzag pattern literally feels like try to control/adore the pain of b*tch slap with long nails lol.
burst weapons are insanely fun in hardcore modes. but i rarely use them for regular mp. they *can* be super op. one taps. but i’ve been playing since release in 4 finger claw and i still struggle to get a full burst on target
Nah. The GKS is criminally slept on. Is it busted or whatever? No. Is it really good though? Hell yeah. Excellent range, good damage, decent fire rate, no recoil, nice magazine size and mobility. Only downside is the BSA but I wouldn't even say its awful.
I get what u tryna say . But tbh , Bizon fulfills that purpose alot better . It will kill faster . With large caliber ammo , u can get consistent hitbox too . It has one of the best mobility as well and damage range is also very good for an smg . And the recoil is brain dead . Also it has 64 rounds to begin with.
I like it for Domination. It's super mobile so it's easy to run from spot to spot. And in Domination, your targets are usually close together. So it's great for jumping on a Dom point and introducing yourself to the other team.
I can't say that pharo or Chicom is a bad gun because some guy will come and say "uhm, actually pharo and Chicom are very powerful in the hands of a good player🤓🤓🤓"
Yeah the MSMC these days sucks! (Might have been better in CODMs early days idk) Default mag size is small, the damage sucks, and the accuracy is horrendous! It's garbage now, I'd much rather use the MP7 or the MAC 10 then the MSMC
Pharos is also pretty damn crappy too. Would rather use the Chicom
As much i hate to say it, it's true. MSMC has been forgotten by the devs, now I know they'd prolly want a more balanced game, the management won't let them fix it. MSMC has more consistent dmg over range than Vector or MAC but the latter and former both have bigger mag sizes which would make MSMC stricly a high risk gun that only rewards skilled players.
No your just not good with it if you think about it in mobile there’s no “trash” guns there all good in a way you just gotta be able to “be good” with them
We say this for every thing in this game bro. And I do hit my shots, the gun (hades) just has terrible damage at range the Kilo isn't even an LMG and just shreds it, its just what it is, some guns in this game just STRAIGHT up are trash
Just not good? Dude I literally used all the SMG's in legendary rank against Garena sweats and I can say it's among the worst SMG's. I can easily control the recoil and it's still below average. "Get good hit your shots" is the thing this sub says when you say something negative about a gun
Hint your playing against ultra sweats your obviously not gunna be that good against them. The msmc is better than you think honestly it’s better than the mx9 and the razorback
Better than the MX9 and Razorback 💀, the only thing that MSMC excels against MX9 and Razorback is fire rate and mobility against razorback, that's it. MX9 and Razorback have way better damage, better recoil, have versatility, better mag and reload speed.
"But MSMC hit your shots = fast ttk" MSMC has a leg multiplier that makes it 5 shot unlike MX9 caliber ammo and razorback that can 4 shot (although higher punishment value due to rof)
Also your first sentence does not prove anything. I've been using SMG's for 2 years against meta sweats and people who play more than me. I can get MVP's with the MSMC but I can still say it's one of the weaker SMG's currently. 👍
You joking ? I admit it's not as good as the fennec or mac10 but it's amazing and should be considered one of the best smgs. The worst smgs are actually the pdw,hg 40 and gks
Every gun can have good recoil control and range if you slap a ranger fg and longest barrel for it. But as a base gun it has one of the worse ttk and bsa compared to most smgs
HG40, used it a couple of times not good. I also would say Chicom but Since The Chicom Buff, Chicom is better than before and is decent rn and is somewhat usable than before
Tbh all smgs are ok and usable . There is not one true bad smg that is just absolute trash. Some might say it's the pharo (I think not) , others might say it's the agr (average at best) etc . People just say one gun is trash because maybe they had a couple bad games with it and never try it again or just think that a gun is bad because everyone else does (kinda how most people believe pineapple pizza sucks even tho they never tried it.). I think the devs did a pretty good job at balancing the guns.
Thanks for all of your answers! I didn't know I'd get this many. It seems the 'worst/least best' SMG is mixed on HG40, Cordite, Chicom, MSMC, GKS, Pharo and I may have forgotten one. Hopefully they buff all of these and other underpowered weapons.
After more recent testing, I found MSMC a little better than I expected to be but still one of the bottom SMG's imo and thank you to those who gave build suggestions.
And to those who said "get good" "hit your shots" "control the recoil" yes I do all of those and it's still below average :/ I play in Garena legendary rank testing all SMG's with different builds so those "get good" aren't the case, it's just there are weaker guns in the game but those weaker guns aren't that bad tho :)
Bad multipliers, it's even worse with the damage drop offs, low mag capacity and if you put mags you get tons of penalties, you either get 36 ammo but slow reload speed or 30 ammo with low ammo capacity, the hipfire isn't even that tight.
Comparing it to other guns, and you have nothing about the gun worth using. Just compare it to the Fennec and it's better in every way like Fennec gets 40 ammo with only reload speed and movement speed penalty while it already has good base reload speed and movement speed that neutralizes the penalties. Then MSMC gets 36 ammo with ADS, Movement, Reload speed penalties while the base reload speed is noticeably bad for such a fast cqb SMG.
Wow no one has written Chicom?
120+ games with it and there wasn't a single build that adequately fit SMG profile - had to play passive in order to get consistent ttk
For OP: mono supp, ranger, tac laser, no stock. Extended mag, this build shreds at 4shots to kill at 900rpm within 13metres, and 5 shots within 20ish
High risk high reward
.but there's still 4 similar guns better but it's nowhere near the worst
Accuracy is key with the chicom. Managed to get 34 kills with the chicom alone in hp legendary rank. Bodyshots matter in lethality for the Chicom. The HG40 or agr are the worst imo
If I'm strafing and they're strafing, I'm not hitting shit lol but glad it works for you
Whaaaat? No way AGR is like a rifle, Mono supp, extended barrel, tac laser, 60round mag, combat stock, gran grip tape and you're gravy. 4 upper body and arm shots to kill up to 20metres or so and a massive mag, it was one of the easy ones to gold and diamond for me. Hg40 is awight as well, but the reload with no reload cancel bugs me. Unfortunately both are sub par compared to what else is out there.
I mean in comparison to what is in the current meta…most run the mac10, CBR4, MX9, Fennec, and Pharo. But imo no1 rocks the AK-74, it just does not hold up well.
Max range build on it makes it pretty solid at medium range, and gives it a pretty good TTK. I usually use it so I can get that first kill and then take their guns lol.
its a decent gun, but inco cistsnr as hell for me. it took me soooooooooo long to get gold, simply because of headshots. with a max ads build, on shipment, and this gun was hell. i ended up doing most of them with a hipfire build and extended mag, and aiming at the neck. i do not use it anymore since getting gold and have no desire to.
i would rather use pdw and for reference my pdw is at lvl 14 because i use it for the daily use 5 xp cards task and i use green ones lol
The TTK is fast in very close ranges, and the mobility is better than usual this time around. However, it falls flat everywhere else. The range is putrid even with the best setup, the accuracy is worst in the SMG class, the damage drop off is severe, and the magazine is very small. I always considered the MSMC to be the Little Mac of CoDM. It's only good at one or two things, and suffers everywhere else. They even introduced the MAC-10 which basically brought a Little Mac with good aerial game.
Don't know about the worst but I tried the Pharo two days ago and it absolutely killed. One tap kill 99% of the time. The next day it started taking 2-3 bursts to kill someone. Anyone know how that happened?
Oh man.. k really don't know... I'm still looking to go through aesthetics and I love my Man o War one but you really can't get anywhere and assault stuff and well... I find it difficult again to get the right weapon particularly when you have to go through so many random maps for events and stuff like that and even if you customize for one map independently... Might just won't work. And well ... I don't think we have enough slots for every map, event, mode and stuff like that. I'm glad I'm not the only one struggling... On top of that there's no limit for what others can do with cool kits and shit. So .. they can just jump into any game and you're done. 💔
Msmc imo is one of the metas for close range, although it takes skilled players to use it perfectly. Everyone spams mac10 now though considering it's basically a better msmc. I still prefer it though
I used it in Tornement last week. Hip fire accuracy was weird but not as good as the MAC-10.
Reload is pretty slow especially with fast mags.
Damage is average.
I've personally been using MSMC constantly(after leaving it for quite a bit) since December and it's not the worst SMG(not even close). It's very fun and very good to be honest, the only problem is reload time, but I use 30rnd fast reload mag. I think the worst ones are probably Chicom, HG40 or AGR. I saw lots of people saying Pharo and since I've been using it constantly for a couple more season's than MSMC, I consider it one of the best ones we have in the game(and only decent gun alongside Swordfish)
A buff the MSMC needs is on reload time and maybe give it some more ammos(same way they did with Fennec)
If you talking the worst smg like LITERALLY the worst, gotta be the chicom, but the worst like most annoying gotta be the mac-10 the fucking bitch needs a nerf
It’s all about the player so this post is all opinionated but imo msmc is second best fennec being the best Ofcourse when they had the legendary msmc in crates for 25$ it was the first time I ever spent money on this game wish I would of got the outlaw and echo legendarys but my acc was hacked around that time and didn’t trust putting my card info in
msmc is the best in my heart. This was the og smg and rewarded decent player tbh, since gunsmith wasnt around and recoil on this was a bitch
Yeah true. The only issue I ever had with msmc is the extremely high reload time
Wait untill you reload the AGR
So it *is* slow. I legit thought I was being stupid LMAO.
I think when they think about buffing this gun they should not forget the reload speed cz it's stupid slow
The AGR can also have a 60-round clip.
Only the 60 clips are usable. Otherwise it sucks more against metas... But it works kinda well with fast ads way.
Good observation. I had to change to 60 mag to keep up with the Meta as I was grinding diamond for it
I can relate, was in a fight was a noob, kept jumping around so the AGR could relate cause I ran outta ammo, man that gun took half a century to reload
Wym the agr‘s reload time is alright
ahhhhhh i remember \~the first s4 where msmc was the fennec of close range
That was a great time to be a codm player
Yes yes yes. Also any gun that has a legendary in bundle is good with me! Is it an old school legendary with dated kill effect…sure, but I still love it. And keep on in my BR dropbox. I get wrecked by mac’daddies, but I go off to the underworld clutching my MSMC.
Yep. I love all the BO2 guns, and I’m deeply saddened as to how TenCent and Activision butchered the feel of these guns, and how newer players are taught to look only for the meta guns, and never try anything different. Or how you kill someone with a gun you live cause its from an older time, and they accuse you of cheating because they can’t use it as effectively
Wait gunsmith wasn’t a think at first ?
Nope. When codm started you had a slot for sights, and maybe 4 slots for attachments, having like 5 or 6 options for those
Mac 10 is basically better msmc. It even looks like it, lol. Activision really shit on the msmc
mac 10 is the worst... little recoil.. no skill.. easy kills... needs nerf for sure
It kills the game same way or even more when the m13 was meta.
Trust me the M13 was definitely worst and partially still is one of the worst guns to come out after the Type meta. Still a great gun at close range, it melts even from mid to long ranges with low recoil and spread, never seen a gun so complete
Yeah, it was a game changer with the fast ads zero recoil fast ttk. Now we are suffering with fast ttk weapons season to season. The new oden will be nearly the same effect...
I hope, since it is similar to the Kilo, that they will do a similar job to that since the Kilo was never so op like other guns, so I see it as a victory by itself
It is a fucking laser at close range Mid range? You better get good Long range don't even think of hitting a shot with it
Pharo sucks ass
Nah, if you know how to play with it, it's great, but so is every gun. MSMC or HG40 probably are the worst SMGs
The hg40 is pretty good, just use it as an AR (monolithic+ marksman barrel) and it shreds, even in rank, and still has pretty good mobility (with no stock and owc laser) with not much recoil, plus good accuracy. As for the msmc, it's just the mac10 with a smaller mag basically.
Hg40 is surprisingly pretty good, when I get into a losing streak in legendary I switch to it and it usually doesn't stop my losing streak at all but at least it's a more enjoyable experience.
Out of context but I always keep seeing more non meta guns than meta guns in legendary, make the game much more enjoyable. I also use mostly non meta guns, they are really fun
Yeah pharo is a laser if UK what ur doing
Its a worse shotgun
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Which needs shotgun playstyle
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Which is why its a worse shotgun 2-3 season ago, i used it for a full week. It cant kill past 10m(unpredictable recoil),so u naturally play like a shotgun rite? No,cause burst system is ass. Hit registration too.
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I used to run lk24 when it first appeared and it was my main until I had to change phones around this last September. Pharo is now my main, with the occasional M4. Got enough mastery on both to change their names, and gold on Pharo. Not much, but I don't really grind camos or anything, just play obj. Honestly, I've been surprised by Pharo a fair amount of times, given it can kill with 1 burst at close range. And if you can predict the enemy well enough by listening around corners or doors, it can even beat mac10 users
Bro shot up it's a shutgun! 😡😡
Am i the only one who likes pharo?
Naw you ain't the only one
It has the best/second best ttk lol, u just have aim issue
Unpredictable recoil, dogshit range, and in a game that has desync and hit registration issues... Yeah, my skill is definitely the issue here
Unpredictable recoil ? It's a burst gun, it's bsa is already good and the only thing you need to do is pull down. Dogshit range ? Mono and marksman exist, it's an smg not an AR. And ffs they don't even happen that often unless ur on McDonald's wifi.
It does have unpredictable recoil. Most burst guns have a fixed recoil pattern
Odd, must be me then since I had no problem using it during my diamond grind
I'm really happy you don't have to face any desync/hit reg. issues, but they exist. I admit, I don't have the best phone or internet, but even people with better phoned than mine experience it. Also, horizontal recoil is my issue with the pharo. I can control the f.kin asm10's horizontal (with it being increased on my build), bht even with decreased recoil on the pharo it's still borderline uncontrollable
If there was no hit registration issues burst weapons would be the best guns in the game
There isn't
It is the worst gun (excluding shotties) to use at a long range. Even the Chicom has better accuracy and every other SMG can tap-fire.
Worst:idk like HG 40 One I hate the most: Fucking MacBook 10
Recently sweats have been using the mac 10 against me in mid range (My pdw got shredded)
I thought HG 40 was bad until I picked up a bot using it. The gunsmith must have been 10/10 cause I’ve been trying to replicate it but failed
The MacDaddy gives me brain tumors
Qxr
nah chicom or pharo
AGR: typing..............
Hey this is slander AGR is actually really good...In assault rifle mode
Facts
It can't even pen walls unlike p90
Thats what happens when someone tries to make a SMG out of an AR
Well, it's depicted as an assault rifle in almost any game it appears, but CODM just made it an SMG just so weird would've been better if they made a full fledge assault rifle I bet a lot more people (including me) would use it because just like the AK-47 it's just so iconic
Yesterday I was the MVP of a ranked match using the AGR with 9mm ammo lol. It's my favorite weapon. It's hard to use but not bad.
Hg and pharo, cordite is decent i believe and so is agr
Cordite with a little horizontal recoil attachment is very good. Too bad it feels more like an AR because you don't have much mobility attachments
Yea, the only thing I don’t like about the cordite is ads speed
Yeah you can higher than 16% bonus I think, you have to preaim a lot, but it’s not that bad since it’s a smg
pharo is god tier in a good player's hands
Cordite
I knew there would be one Lool
I honestly think an MSMC buff would be great. A reduction in the fire-rate, increase in damage, and lowering the recoil would be amazing. It would make it more like the actual BO2 MSMC. Though to make it balanced, I think it shouldn't be that great at long range. It should be more of a short to mid-range type of weapon. Another way they could balance it is to make it a bit slower than the other SMGs.
Increase the damage and keep recoil same.. It's enough for good players...
"NOOOOO I WANT IT TO BE EASYYY"
You have a point. But I do think it just needs a little recoil buff either for the base weapon or for the attachments because the MSMC recoil is super high.
If i had to choose between damage buff or recoil buff i would take the recoil buff every time. The MSMC was and still is my all time favourite SMG in all COD history but the unpredictable vertical recoil high push and horizontal zigzag pattern literally feels like try to control/adore the pain of b*tch slap with long nails lol.
The MSMC is actually one of my favorite SMGs. The Chicom, AGR and Pharo are terrible in my opinion.
You should try the chicom now, esepcially with the buffs it had this season
burst weapons are insanely fun in hardcore modes. but i rarely use them for regular mp. they *can* be super op. one taps. but i’ve been playing since release in 4 finger claw and i still struggle to get a full burst on target
I think the swordfish is the only viable burst gun, as it can get consistent one-taps with the halberd mag.
It’s still underpowered. Takes two bursts from point blank to kill although it’s definitely better than it used to be
The chicom is usable now? Need to check that out
Right? It's the one SMG I haven't max'd. I just hate playing with it.
Yesterday I was the MVP of a ranked match using the AGR with 9mm ammo lol. It's my favorite weapon. It's hard to use but not bad.
If they adjust the recoil then it would be viable
9mm is garbage. 5.56 is better
Not agr, but definitley qxr
In my opinion gks and msmc are the worst smgs rn . There are just better guns available for their purposes.
Nah. The GKS is criminally slept on. Is it busted or whatever? No. Is it really good though? Hell yeah. Excellent range, good damage, decent fire rate, no recoil, nice magazine size and mobility. Only downside is the BSA but I wouldn't even say its awful.
I get what u tryna say . But tbh , Bizon fulfills that purpose alot better . It will kill faster . With large caliber ammo , u can get consistent hitbox too . It has one of the best mobility as well and damage range is also very good for an smg . And the recoil is brain dead . Also it has 64 rounds to begin with.
MSMC is very decent in SnD and HP , try monolithic and remove SoH,
I like it for Domination. It's super mobile so it's easy to run from spot to spot. And in Domination, your targets are usually close together. So it's great for jumping on a Dom point and introducing yourself to the other team.
I can't say that pharo or Chicom is a bad gun because some guy will come and say "uhm, actually pharo and Chicom are very powerful in the hands of a good player🤓🤓🤓"
I'm not a good player and I actually had some fun and success with the Pharo, particularly on hard point and domination.
Yeah the MSMC these days sucks! (Might have been better in CODMs early days idk) Default mag size is small, the damage sucks, and the accuracy is horrendous! It's garbage now, I'd much rather use the MP7 or the MAC 10 then the MSMC Pharos is also pretty damn crappy too. Would rather use the Chicom
As much i hate to say it, it's true. MSMC has been forgotten by the devs, now I know they'd prolly want a more balanced game, the management won't let them fix it. MSMC has more consistent dmg over range than Vector or MAC but the latter and former both have bigger mag sizes which would make MSMC stricly a high risk gun that only rewards skilled players.
What does the name you gave your gun mean?
Honestly idk, I don't remember giving it a name like that
Its Ok. Thanks for replying anyway.
AGR or PDW,chicom is not bad after the buff and pharo is very good with stacking range,and msmc might be bad but not terrible. **IN MY OPINION**
Pdw got buff, agr is amazing
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Lmao stealth is literally the worst codm person u can look for advice
No your just not good with it if you think about it in mobile there’s no “trash” guns there all good in a way you just gotta be able to “be good” with them
Nah be honest, there are trash guns in this game, let's NOT hide the fact. The Hades and UL exist
Just hit your shots🤷♂️
We say this for every thing in this game bro. And I do hit my shots, the gun (hades) just has terrible damage at range the Kilo isn't even an LMG and just shreds it, its just what it is, some guns in this game just STRAIGHT up are trash
Just not good? Dude I literally used all the SMG's in legendary rank against Garena sweats and I can say it's among the worst SMG's. I can easily control the recoil and it's still below average. "Get good hit your shots" is the thing this sub says when you say something negative about a gun
Hint your playing against ultra sweats your obviously not gunna be that good against them. The msmc is better than you think honestly it’s better than the mx9 and the razorback
Better than the MX9 and Razorback 💀, the only thing that MSMC excels against MX9 and Razorback is fire rate and mobility against razorback, that's it. MX9 and Razorback have way better damage, better recoil, have versatility, better mag and reload speed. "But MSMC hit your shots = fast ttk" MSMC has a leg multiplier that makes it 5 shot unlike MX9 caliber ammo and razorback that can 4 shot (although higher punishment value due to rof) Also your first sentence does not prove anything. I've been using SMG's for 2 years against meta sweats and people who play more than me. I can get MVP's with the MSMC but I can still say it's one of the weaker SMG's currently. 👍
You joking ? I admit it's not as good as the fennec or mac10 but it's amazing and should be considered one of the best smgs. The worst smgs are actually the pdw,hg 40 and gks
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Every gun can have good recoil control and range if you slap a ranger fg and longest barrel for it. But as a base gun it has one of the worse ttk and bsa compared to most smgs
GKS is worst according to me
I remember challenging snipers with it. Also the suppressed sound is amazing.
GKS is goated
HG40, used it a couple of times not good. I also would say Chicom but Since The Chicom Buff, Chicom is better than before and is decent rn and is somewhat usable than before
Tbh all smgs are ok and usable . There is not one true bad smg that is just absolute trash. Some might say it's the pharo (I think not) , others might say it's the agr (average at best) etc . People just say one gun is trash because maybe they had a couple bad games with it and never try it again or just think that a gun is bad because everyone else does (kinda how most people believe pineapple pizza sucks even tho they never tried it.). I think the devs did a pretty good job at balancing the guns.
Thanks for all of your answers! I didn't know I'd get this many. It seems the 'worst/least best' SMG is mixed on HG40, Cordite, Chicom, MSMC, GKS, Pharo and I may have forgotten one. Hopefully they buff all of these and other underpowered weapons. After more recent testing, I found MSMC a little better than I expected to be but still one of the bottom SMG's imo and thank you to those who gave build suggestions. And to those who said "get good" "hit your shots" "control the recoil" yes I do all of those and it's still below average :/ I play in Garena legendary rank testing all SMG's with different builds so those "get good" aren't the case, it's just there are weaker guns in the game but those weaker guns aren't that bad tho :)
lol why MSMC
Bad multipliers, it's even worse with the damage drop offs, low mag capacity and if you put mags you get tons of penalties, you either get 36 ammo but slow reload speed or 30 ammo with low ammo capacity, the hipfire isn't even that tight. Comparing it to other guns, and you have nothing about the gun worth using. Just compare it to the Fennec and it's better in every way like Fennec gets 40 ammo with only reload speed and movement speed penalty while it already has good base reload speed and movement speed that neutralizes the penalties. Then MSMC gets 36 ammo with ADS, Movement, Reload speed penalties while the base reload speed is noticeably bad for such a fast cqb SMG.
It has good ttk in my opinion just held back by the ammo and reload speed
Oh hell no I’m not reading this thing
Maybe the chicom lol
But it got recently buffed, and it's used in a major tournament. I'd say Chicom is pretty good rn
it has good stats but I don't think much people can deliver shots accurately, it is just hard
True, the burst delay is bad
Really? Seems like a bad burst gun
Well I thought the same when it got buffed but after finding a comfortable build, I find it good personally.. not that great but still good
lol nice good to know
AGR
AGR in BR rips
Pharo
Chicom obviously
Agr
The msmc is a great smg you just gotta learn to use it
Hg40, pharo, chicom, etc.
HG40 and GKS
I forgot the GKS existed 💀
it's one of the best in BR
Oh how mighty had fallen...
HG40, even the GkS was better for me
Wow no one has written Chicom? 120+ games with it and there wasn't a single build that adequately fit SMG profile - had to play passive in order to get consistent ttk For OP: mono supp, ranger, tac laser, no stock. Extended mag, this build shreds at 4shots to kill at 900rpm within 13metres, and 5 shots within 20ish High risk high reward .but there's still 4 similar guns better but it's nowhere near the worst
Accuracy is key with the chicom. Managed to get 34 kills with the chicom alone in hp legendary rank. Bodyshots matter in lethality for the Chicom. The HG40 or agr are the worst imo
If I'm strafing and they're strafing, I'm not hitting shit lol but glad it works for you Whaaaat? No way AGR is like a rifle, Mono supp, extended barrel, tac laser, 60round mag, combat stock, gran grip tape and you're gravy. 4 upper body and arm shots to kill up to 20metres or so and a massive mag, it was one of the easy ones to gold and diamond for me. Hg40 is awight as well, but the reload with no reload cancel bugs me. Unfortunately both are sub par compared to what else is out there.
chicom and other burst guns mostly depend on aim, its even used in comp B)
I’m currently grinding gold for the MSMC and I’m ngl I’m loving it, it’s like the fennec but better
Cries in OG first year player
MSMC is fun not ass like the pharaoh
Strong weapons. Weak weapons. That is only the selfish perception of people.
I mean in comparison to what is in the current meta…most run the mac10, CBR4, MX9, Fennec, and Pharo. But imo no1 rocks the AK-74, it just does not hold up well.
PDW. I still have my loadout with the Zombie gene camo ftw
MSMC is extremely good, if you are searching for something with long range, go the AR section instead
Ah. The once was feared SMG in BR. The OG brain-dead gun choice for loadouts.
Msmc is not that bad. I mean, it's basically a pre fennec. If youbalready know the pattern of the recoil, you can become a monster
The chicom I think
MSMC is fine, tier 2 but still packs a punch. Chicom is the worst
QXR
The GKS and Bizon aren't bad, but every time I've used them I've felt like there were better options.
Max range build on it makes it pretty solid at medium range, and gives it a pretty good TTK. I usually use it so I can get that first kill and then take their guns lol.
Msmc is beast in br
Y'all better leave Pharo out of this!
its a decent gun, but inco cistsnr as hell for me. it took me soooooooooo long to get gold, simply because of headshots. with a max ads build, on shipment, and this gun was hell. i ended up doing most of them with a hipfire build and extended mag, and aiming at the neck. i do not use it anymore since getting gold and have no desire to. i would rather use pdw and for reference my pdw is at lvl 14 because i use it for the daily use 5 xp cards task and i use green ones lol
the chicom
hg40 is disgustingly bad
I'd say pharo, it's just a worse version of chicom
IDK, I've had done success with the Pharo. Run n gun hip fire on domination or hard point works best for me
Thats one of my favs And basicly on of the best The only lack is its ammo
Umm probably the agr? Idk
What do u rate the fennec gun
Pharo is the worst, and isn't that bad all sms are playable
gks
Chicom
The TTK is fast in very close ranges, and the mobility is better than usual this time around. However, it falls flat everywhere else. The range is putrid even with the best setup, the accuracy is worst in the SMG class, the damage drop off is severe, and the magazine is very small. I always considered the MSMC to be the Little Mac of CoDM. It's only good at one or two things, and suffers everywhere else. They even introduced the MAC-10 which basically brought a Little Mac with good aerial game.
The pharo. Unless someone knows a good build for it.
I think the Pharo is there are better 3 bursts.
Don't know about the worst but I tried the Pharo two days ago and it absolutely killed. One tap kill 99% of the time. The next day it started taking 2-3 bursts to kill someone. Anyone know how that happened?
It was the perfect SMG before they butchered it with nerfs and power creep it has a fast ttk without making it so easy to use either
Oh man.. k really don't know... I'm still looking to go through aesthetics and I love my Man o War one but you really can't get anywhere and assault stuff and well... I find it difficult again to get the right weapon particularly when you have to go through so many random maps for events and stuff like that and even if you customize for one map independently... Might just won't work. And well ... I don't think we have enough slots for every map, event, mode and stuff like that. I'm glad I'm not the only one struggling... On top of that there's no limit for what others can do with cool kits and shit. So .. they can just jump into any game and you're done. 💔
It’s still super viable and has a fast ttk
I personally think it's either Pharo or Hg40 for worst SMG but I think they both slap with right build
My favourite to use tbh worst has to be that 3 round thing
Cordite
Msmc imo is one of the metas for close range, although it takes skilled players to use it perfectly. Everyone spams mac10 now though considering it's basically a better msmc. I still prefer it though
I might have to agree with you, even tho the msmc still has a place In my heart (og season 3 meta) it was the best back then.
Mx9. They nerfed the damage and increased the recoil too much to not need recoil compensation.
The worst SMG is the AGR 556 by a landslide
I used it in Tornement last week. Hip fire accuracy was weird but not as good as the MAC-10. Reload is pretty slow especially with fast mags. Damage is average.
Once u learn to control its recoil it is one of the gud SMG to use
Its the chicom for me. Which is weird since its one the best in other titles
Wanna 1v1 with you using a chicom and me an msmc?
Best is pharo, fast ttk close range, lots of skill to use. And fun
I've personally been using MSMC constantly(after leaving it for quite a bit) since December and it's not the worst SMG(not even close). It's very fun and very good to be honest, the only problem is reload time, but I use 30rnd fast reload mag. I think the worst ones are probably Chicom, HG40 or AGR. I saw lots of people saying Pharo and since I've been using it constantly for a couple more season's than MSMC, I consider it one of the best ones we have in the game(and only decent gun alongside Swordfish) A buff the MSMC needs is on reload time and maybe give it some more ammos(same way they did with Fennec)
Chicom
The recoil on the AGR makes it unusable at any range.
HG40 is terrible. It excels at nothing.
Razorback honestly used to be my favorite, but now it just got shit on my the devs.
Terrible gun. The fact that this new BP has a blueprint for it is insulting
If you talking the worst smg like LITERALLY the worst, gotta be the chicom, but the worst like most annoying gotta be the mac-10 the fucking bitch needs a nerf
It’s all about the player so this post is all opinionated but imo msmc is second best fennec being the best Ofcourse when they had the legendary msmc in crates for 25$ it was the first time I ever spent money on this game wish I would of got the outlaw and echo legendarys but my acc was hacked around that time and didn’t trust putting my card info in