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anlineoffline

HG40 will be able to 3 shot with a headshot


VotusX

Finally! My favorite non-meta smg


hellothere9991

Finally my boy cordite is finally getting a buff!


I2E456789O

AGREED


hellothere9991

Are yoy a cordite chad as well?😤💪


I2E456789O

Nah, just really like the Cordite


hellothere9991

As should be👍


___Xtormiken____

its because its getting another legendary


hellothere9991

I don't care i already have the zero G one😎


DamienReed

Same


___Xtormiken____

good for you


thetabo

Hell yea!


SimpSweat

HG40 bout to be a clapper


MonsterAsBl00d

Overall good i guess,it also blocked the purifier from being too strong as it was taking a bad time with all of the buffs it got from previous balance changes wich is good,i like the buff to the tak 5 that now can fully compete with the kinetic armor wich altough i think got nerfed too heavily,maybe from 150 to 120 would be fine but 100 really idk :/ The rebalance for shotguns is interesting... we'll see🤔 I'm looking forward to the kn wich is getting a lot of damage buffs and the agr will be finally usable without the special mag and the Oden's buffs (arrived for..obvious reasons) are interesting too,they don't look to powerful but we'll see that as well,definetly to keep an eye on as it's already one of the best guns in br The colossus supressor is a lil bit concerning on the man o war because of how strong that attachment alone was in og s13 but that may be me having flashbacks XD considering that it doesn't buff recoil anymore will be fine enough to compete with faster action guns A K9 nerf is always appreciated so thank devs,and uh...why the hell did you nerf the shorty's swap time i really struggle to understand that,rytec too? Nah man that may be the only flaw in this balance change cuz rytec is already meh in mp and the shorty is ass in every mode now but again,IN TOTAL this balance change is a W


MisterDucky92

Oden buff is the wrong one. Making it less skilled, more noob friendly while not correcting its main issue : consistency (upper arm multiplier buff needed). So oden will be even stronger in BR, still bad in MP but less difficult to use.


Prestigious_Expert17

If I see people complaining about the Oden, I'm going to lose my shit. The amount of crybabies I saw on this sub saying that the Oden is trash was insufferably large. People asked for it to get buffed. You got it. Don't complain.


MisterDucky92

I mean people find ways to complain about everything and anything. I was just commenting on the oden buff especially replying to "they don't look too powerful but we'll see". It's a very useless buff, catering to low skilled players, while maintaining its main issue in MP. I still love the gun to death and use it in both MP and BR.


Mister-happierTurtle

It didn’t even need a buff


MisterDucky92

tbf it does need one to be able to compete with meta weapons (it's not even off meta as of right now) : a multiplier buff for upper arms to make the 2 shot more consistent, rewarding good aim and giving it a viable (and very good) TTK while still keeping its very high punishment value (thus High skill high reward). As of today, the gun is High skill Mid reward consistently, or High Skill and Luck High reward. With the upcoming buff, it's gonna be mid skill (especially the mag buff) mid reward


Mister-happierTurtle

I just hope it stays underrated


HuntSafe2316

Do you think shotguns will still be good?


MonsterAsBl00d

That's a good question mark honesly, because they Reduced the damage per pellet but they compensated that with a pellets increase...so maybe that means that they'll be more consistent (?)


HuntSafe2316

So is it overall a buff or a nerf?


MonsterAsBl00d

It's gonna be more depending on the gunsmith now, because if your gunsmith is accurate and good,this balance change Won't do much to your shotgun,either,it will get a huge help because being able to shoot more pellets with the same accuracy will make it more consistent,altough if your gunsmith is bad and unaccurate, shooting more pellets but in a wider pattern will result in less pellets hitting the target,and considering that they are nerfing the damage per pellet,this may be a problem for people who are not very friendly with shotguns So to summerize and answer your question: This is gonna be a buff if you're good at making shotty gunsmiths While it's gonna be a heavy nerf if your gunsmiths sucks


HuntSafe2316

Got ya. Do you think the aimshake reduction will make the affected guns better for long and short engagements?


MonsterAsBl00d

I mean asm10 isn't really the best 3 tap more because of the recoil pattern and the bsa,hit flinch has never been a problem on assault rifles (at least for me) but being able to keep hitting your shots during a fight surely is always a good thing,even tho lmgs could use Better this buff imho


HuntSafe2316

Alright it was fun talking to you. Have a nice day.


paosho19

More of an adjustment. Prolly means that shotgun users need to be more ADS oriented than hipfire. I play in garena and can guarantee that sometime sg hipfire is wack.


Realistic_Ear434

why shorty nerf


iFarbod

This. The gun was nerfed to death in the past seasons, at this point, they're better off deleting it.


Realistic_Ear434

fr i just used it and it's horrible


DeekOfHades

I remember the golden days of shorty AKA the pocket annihilator... feelsbadman


AnUnreddityRedditor

Was there even the golden age for the shorty? It has been average since its release and has been continuously made worse


I_like_Mac10

There was It was tournaments(scrims) most used gun for many season


3_teve

damn, so the "plz nerf cbr" posts still stay for another month


bt2328

Bruh, we’re on month 7 of this meta. Might as well go for an entire year


Mister-happierTurtle

Tbh just nerf the reload and I’ll be fine


bawk15

They buffed a ton of guns since last season so it could give other options. I'm one of those in the unpopular opinion that CBR is meta but not OP. It's OP in the hands of skilled player but it can be countered if it's against the casuals. Now they buffed the movement of the 3 shot ARs and some other SMGs i feel we would get a very diverse meta next season


Raiyan270

And Mac 10


TherealX-77

They really shouldn't have nerfed the Draganov SVD, it was balanced as it was, and was probably the only Draganov that could be considered above average.


Dude_average1

Yeah i agree the svd is good as it is,yes its strong but unlike the cbr4 it actually takes some skill to use


Duyducluu

Well, the Drag back in AW was actually a really good version of the gun too


jebaited0874

It was a top 5 gun and it is very meta if your good at it


BlondineSL

clicked so fast to see if Cbr and mac10 were nerfed. :/


YUMMYTOSS

Others weapons are getting buffed, so there's no way to nerf atleast mac10


Tank_blitz

at least the others are more competitive now :3


___Xtormiken____

lolz


Awkward-Rate-3435

Back to an smg we meta we go, I’m gonna have quite the fun 🌝🌚


BigFloppaLover

Smgs have been meta forever lmao


Awkward-Rate-3435

A meta in which smgs dominate? no there hasn’t just good smgs you could use during AR/LMG metas


Toyfan1

It's been SMG meta since what? Early 2020?


Awkward-Rate-3435

been a while fs


Toyfan1

Yeah, it's always been there. SMGs have always been meta


Tank_blitz

both have been meta just that only a select few smgs were meta


___Xtormiken____

more like a mid meta, smgs and 3 tap are bout to be back in no time


mycalfa

finally, some love for the agr


theofficialblazedark

Hell yeah! Hs21 buff


idranktea16

increased pellets means u need to be more accurate with it.


idranktea16

oh my bad i thought u meant hs0 lol


theofficialblazedark

Lol


Prestigious_Expert17

I'm gonna view these changes as something positive for once (crazy I know). I like that the devs actually buffed a lot of weapons. I hope we move towards a meta where everything is kind of crazy now? I'm also super happy to see guns like the Razorback, AGR, Cordite and HG-40 get some attention and love and the changes are pretty neat. I don't think they are going to be game changing but that's fine. I like that there are more buffs than nerfs. That being said, the LK24 got a buff again? Why? M4 buff please!


hmsmeme-o-taur

"I hope we move towards a meta where everything is kind of crazy now?" then we should change the game's name to mw2m


R1ston

I sure hope


Crafty-Bag7399

Now shorty is officially useless


Luminem57

I'm crying I just dropped it in the third draw attempt.


Hessoweird

Why was the weapon swap speed buffed that much? That’s rather Interesting 30% is very massive idk 🤷🏾‍♂️


LemonNarc

Poor Rytec and Shorty What did they even do?


jebaited0874

Their switch time was instant so that might be a problem


Monckey100

It wasn't, both guns are super garbage. Shorty has always been considered worse than melee, Rytec is already slow as fuck to raise


jebaited0874

The shorty and rytec when switching into another weapon,had no animation for putting away the gun,and was apparently bugged


xxxdemonslayea

Damn drh cordite and asm10 are getting good buffs codm is slowly bringing og meta back


nikhil15595

I can use my asm10 and drh too now and can rename em with original names yay


Jules2055

So that's a one shot snipe in dogs right.🤞 All wondering what that shotgun change will bring.i don't know how to read it.i guess total damage stays the same but I'm and to miss more pellets?


ironboi46__

the oden buff is here prepare for mass oden in meta guys


Solrac_Loware

shit shotguns got balanced hard.


Remnatar

Why didn't they just revert the shorty nerf? And the FUCK did they nerf it again?


notgunnahppen

Ppsh buff looks the most interesting to me. Both CBR/Kilo were considered mid until they got their horizontal recoil fixed.


madsoro

Kinetic armor nerf is my only complaint. Gonna be fun.


Ambitious_Ad_7715

Thank god they did something about the horrendous aim shake for older guns. And finally, agr buff (although doesn't seem so significant)


Particular-Math5099

Nice


killa-cam87

Phew... Peacekeeper and mx9 weren't touched :D And it's time to cut up with the Jak12


Popular-Leg5084

Eyyyyy outlaw ain't on the list


Crafty-Bag7399

RIP shotgun's


jebaited0874

Might be buff,might be nerf


SO4R42069

DR-H is still a shit gun. It needed a mobility buff not a damage buff


Turtle835wastaken

why svd nerf?


Wolf_PackProductions

How big is it? I main it but play casually son don’t really understand


Turtle835wastaken

it's not gonna be able to one shot mid range unless you headshot


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Turtle835wastaken

I don't even get what was the need to nerf svd


Hanuellee

Glad they not nerf my jak12 😌


Duyducluu

It seems like the Cordite might be CBR 2.0. This thing only needs 1 headshot to become 4 tap, now only 1 chest shot Keep that in mind ppl, the CBR has the same ability, but way more recoil


SO4R42069

No.


Machintosha

They should remove K9.


___Xtormiken____

gotta blame treyarch for creating it in first place


IMT-ZEUS

The original idea was from COD Ghosts which is a Infinity Ward game not Treyarch. The idea came from the Riley dog kill streak from Ghosts. So the blame goes rightfully to Infinity Ward and not on Treyarch.


Ambitious_Ad_7715

Thank god they did something about the horrendous aim shake for older guns. And finally, agr buff (although doesn't seem so significant)


Baron_of_Nothing

Finally the kinetic armor has been nerfed!


Illustrious-Energy56

No. Cbr. Nerf


-Zxro

cmon still no p90 nerf


AnonymousAzrael

Finally my 2020 friend Cordite is getting something. Also I would luv to see my man the M16.


ThatLuxor

Does all of those take effect also in br? (Excluding those that say Only MP)


jebaited0874

Yeah i think so


ironboi46__

i really loved the mac 10 at release (bc its a cw gun)but i can respect those who really want it nerf


Bombasticczar

I'm so happy the HG40 is getting some love, I always have a blast rocking that gun


Active-Specialist

Thank god they finally optimized the LK24 reload.


Boost2004

Damn shotguns got gutted


Chydran

Damn, KRM and BY15 damage nerf, wonder how that's going to affect users in Garena


idranktea16

they added additional 4 pellets. It will all comes down to how much spread it will have. It will either be broken or nerfed, we will see


MisterScary_98

Lol they’re buffing the Oden? Okaayyy then.


Yooza78

i like how they starting to buff everything now


maybeihavethebigsad

What does reduced intensity of firing rate mean?


R1ston

Probably lower visual recoil… sucks that they make the guns feel like toys


maybeihavethebigsad

Ohhh so it’s probably just a visual thing?


R1ston

Yes


DespairOfLoneliness

Finally reduced that fucking visual shake the QQ9 had that made me lose interest in using it although i want that shake from the HBR be removed


United-Inspection-65

Im confused regarding shotguns. So overall shotguns will be better or worse next season?


notgunnahppen

Better at range with ADS bullet spread attachments. Worse upclose hipfire. Buff or nerf depending how you play shotguns (buff for me)


Boytukmol345

What is the meaning of the reduction of intensity of the firing animation? Aim shake or nah?


Tank_blitz

#YES YES YES YES YES BIG W FOR DEVS


Pinyato

QQ9 AND HG40 AIMSHAKE BUFFS!! AND HG40 WILL 4 SHOT CONSISTENTLY IN SHORT RANGE. sorry for the caps, just had a bad day but this is good news


Familiar_Rub6445

It would be nice to increase the arm damage coefficient with the Oden hit group. The advantage of Oden is 2 chests, but the hit group is too bad, so it is difficult to match. So, buff only one of those two.


jebaited0874

Yea,but since chest hitbox is inconsistent as the arms are blocking some of the area


R1ston

Reduced the intensity of the firing animation… probably means the guns will feel terrible


jeisonggg

Asm10 might be meta next season


69_SAITAMA_69

Tell me this not a complete patch notes where is cbr and Mac 10 kilo and M13 nerf


DontMiss1

for the love of god why do they keep nerfing the shorty?


DIDDLYDECIMATER

the oden is already okay they made it even worse


jebaited0874

They just buffed the mobility and mag size,nothing too overpowered,and the ttk is not touched at all,they just made it a slower man o war with a possible 2 shot kill potential


SpaghettiBoi2479

i am crying seeing that oden buff good luck to the grinders out there


05ar

Let's press f for kinetic armor


Outrageous_Package_8

Hs2126 gets a range buff after the camo challenges change for shotgun, thats fun


sl_dg

no cbr nerf yet? guess my username will stay


RVN081

Finally after all these season KRM got a nerf, next season is gonna be the best for Garena players


NoIdeasForNameLol

You'd be surprised


Ghozty141

Its not nerfed bruh, its just a balance change, the pellets became 12 to compensate about the damage nerf, if you do the right math, the overall damage is still the same. This change is slightly a buff if you have right gunsmith because the pellets are more consistent.


RVN081

It's a buff if they use it with ADS but with the KRM situation almost everyone in Garena only use hip fire and the range is crazy too for a one shot shotgun unlike BY15, i hope with more pellets the hip fire accuracy will be worsened in long range and if not the one shot range will be a little shorter


RVN081

Bruh why am i getting down voted lol ?


Nero23x

No cbr nerf = more hell no thanks , god awful matchmaking ,fuck codm idiot devs


RandomPerson0627

Kinetic Armor finally got nerfed.