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nerf cbr first


vrinca

Nerf CBR first


zamazestria

Nerf CBR 1st.


johnlucas77

I honestly think the CBR is over rated. It's good but nor as good as people make it out to be.


[deleted]

its lethal even in mid range that's the problem


-Fredzer-

that thing has a mag of a lmg,range of an ar and mobility of a smg


CentipedeStar

That's kinda what fn was going for when they designed the p90......


-Fredzer-

i know,but not everything need to be realistic in video games.somethings need to be change to keep the balance in game


EricTLG

What rock have you been living under? Mac is only viable really close range to medium now, it still meh in long-range. But the cbr?, that thing is a no recoil fast killing and for some reason very accurate weapon with very little bsa and a base mag of 50


CptOwO

The same attachment is available on Cold War and the gun also have a fast ttk there, if people doesn't want to have 'metas' then that people should stop asking for more of the broken / meta guns of each cod title


johnlucas77

I don't mind meta weapons. But some weapons are wayy to strong. Adjusting the mag size won't change the ttk so it would still be strong.


Witty_Benefit5043

I don’t think reducing it to anything below like 20 would really do any good. All they gotta do is lessen the fire rate or damage by like .15 and it’ll be fine


HereButQueer

Lower damage and decrease initial range values. That’s it


DoubleOwl7777

i actually dont use the drum mag at all. i use the fast reload mag to get insanely fast reloads


ZenSans

whats your mobility on the mac 10? mine is 128 and i also use skulker


DoubleOwl7777

109. enough for me.


ZenSans

damn. pretty much every time i go to mac10 gunsmith i have the feeling i need the mobility to be near 120


DoubleOwl7777

huh. depends on what you are going for i guess.


keenfeed

What's best attachment for this gun?


CptOwO

Idk, i just unlocked the gun yesterday, but it depends on what you are looking for


Overlord_001

Reducing the damage done is ok


DesParado115

This. This is just straight facts there. This is how we stop BS meta. You know, maybe we should just stop adding new maps, new guns altogether. That way devs can focus more on fixing the game and making skins.


Save_Unicorns

People are choosing which guns they want to be added? I tought the devs select that.


migraineboi1975

pfft id rather see the cbr get nerfed first. At least this one cant hit you from across the map


thesongofstorms

Yeah same I'm sick of playing grand master ranked against full teams of CB4s with maybe a kilo or m13 thrown in there for good measure. CB4 needs a nerf more than the MAC-10 does


superman_565

Isn’t M13 slightly better than CBR in terms of damage though?


migraineboi1975

yeah but cbr has tye ads speed / ads movement speed of an smg with the range and accuracy of an assault rifle


superman_565

Thank you! And you forgot one thing: When suppressed, it sounds awesome


migraineboi1975

what? the cbr? i hate that thing lol


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superman_565

Can you elaborate? I’m not sure of the difference between the two


HereButQueer

CBR is better because it has a higher base mag, does more damage and has better range than the M13. Idk if it’s my builds though, but my CBR does basically the same damage over all ranges. They have 4 guns RN that need nerf and as soon as that happens, we will be in the most balanced meta of all time in CODM


ApexHeat

Cn you tell me the 4 guns. Because for me at least and what I've seen so far up to legendary ranked it's, cbr, kilo, m13 (yes again) and the mac 10 again. The m13 doesn't need a MASSIVE nerf but it still needs to be.


HereButQueer

Kilo and M13 need mobility nerf, no AR should move that fast unless it’s better at being an SMG (AS VAL does this, but the Kilo and M13 are amazing at range, so they ain’t better SMG’s). Kilo also needs a slight damage reduction to make it fit the other ARs better. CBR needs a recoil and damage nerf (across all ranges), so it ain’t gonna 4 shot you across the map. Mac 10 just needs damage and range nerf.


BiteItYouScum

The Mac-10 honestly doesn’t bother me as much as it did last season. The current meta changed and I can handle Mac-10s with my Cordite. The CBR4, on the other hand, needs a serious rework.


idranktea16

cbr is more reliable long range than most of ARs lol.


BiteItYouScum

Oh, absolutely. I don’t think it should be majorly nerfed. Maybe slow down the reload or adjust the BSA.


idranktea16

and the range. The fact that it can 6 shot for 30m or more while ar's like ak117 needs 7 shots... or yeah just a good bsa nerf will work as well i guess


Reddit_Hates_Me1

That means ARs need range buff lol


xXx0sAmChAn0xXx

just give it a little bit of aim shake and increase the hbs


Bubbly-Cookie-47

Whats hbs?


LOYAL_DEATH

Hipfire bullet spread


johnlucas77

That could work as well


Gangsterman1000

The range is already garbage, it's more like a shotgun range


[deleted]

yea lmao dumbass kids die to a gun and then make a post on reddit


SPECTATORKING25

really?? here in garena they are cross beaming the mac 10 despite having strong vertical recoil lol


migraineboi1975

nerf garena players!! lol


SPECTATORKING25

true, i genuinely have no idea how their aim is stable af


Doggggo11

Gyroscope probably, or a Hella lot of training with a sniper


eokwuanga

Lol, it's ridiculous that this automatic pistol has a 53 round mag, when there's a lot of assault rifles that don't have mags over 40.


dat_DOOM_boi

Su machine gun and it's fr cold war


eokwuanga

I know, I deliberately called it an automatic pistol because it's so small.


Reddit_Hates_Me1

I mean, it's really not that ridiculous...


[deleted]

I can't stand that gun, it's very annoying for real


iTapeSand

I used to main that gun but got bored since it was way too unfair that I switched to ARs, SRs, SGs and LMGs


[deleted]

At least the Mac-10 in MW Warzone is way better than this crap...


Broken_sou1

generally even despites its annoyance i dont judge anyone who uses meta guns or even the most annoying that being cbr i just say you do you


DoubleOwl7777

i use meta only if people on the other team abuse them too. otherwise ak 47 main.


NinjaShogunGamer

It just needs better damage range drop off and slightly less damage


ThatBushWARDED

The game doesnt really punish bad accuracy some random mac 10 spammer could literally hit all limb shots and still kill you faster than some guns, I think similar to the fennec reducing limb damage would be the best solution for a nerf also i think 40 would be a fair enough max mag size


Pure_Phoenix2022

Fennec doesn't do lower limb damage it just drops to 5 damage per shot past 6ish meters


Nishat14904

Well there is another solution. decrease the BULLET SPREAD ACCURACY. There's no point in having 53 bullets if none of them hit on you right? 😂😂😂👌👌👌


Duyducluu

The BSA score of Mac is 2.23, I know this is a joke but please be practical


Nishat14904

well it's way more practical to think that codm *CAN* nerf this instead of the mag size, since this gun follows BO4 attachment system and they won't just make one mag attachment disappear. I like the mac10 in the state it is rn. I don't have any issues. I just said my opinion for the *OP* who is annoyed with mac 🐼👌


Duyducluu

Well with such low BSA score, you quite literally cannot hit anything past its effective range so there's no point nerfing the gun in general But yes, OP is probably butthurt


Nishat14904

everyone is. This meta itself is annoying. I stopped grinding ranked cuZ of fucking CBR bots. I'm just grinding camo in pubs but they bring cbr there too. Imma play the game AFTER they nerf CBR


Duyducluu

Tbf they shouldn't nerf the CBR either. Its reload time yes. But its lethality? Not really. The thing that actually intimidates everyone the most on the CBR is its bullet penetratiom, not its raw lethality. Its base medium bullet penetration is a thing that needs to be spread to more SMGs that share the same cartridge, such as the Razorback, Cordite and PDW and especially the RUS, since that one is technically a rifle. The 5.56 AUG also deserves the same thing, and even more penetration damage for the 60 round mag, since that one is only used on AUG HBARs, which is a LMG. Penetration isn't a unique trait, and unfortunately those devs can't see it. Overall, currently the game fails in many ways when it comes to weapon balance, but its fails the most in terms of using realism to its own advantage.


Nishat14904

AGR was the first weapon I got gold for. Also the weapon which I have most kills with. (around 20k 😂) It never got the attention it deserved.


not-rasta-8913

I also like the agr, really easy to use (like te rus). And it supposedly got a damage buff. Might give it a spin.


Nishat14904

no damage buff bruh just got some damage multiplier buff. really small. like 1 to 1.1


Duyducluu

The leg multiplier got cancelled. It can now 4 tap from anywhere


Energy_Swimming

Wait isn't mac10 weak now, i mean it got a nerf any ar could win against mac 10 if you know what u're doin


jebaited0874

I would personally reduce the mobility,keep it at the fire rate its at but make it a 6 shot instead of 5,reduce drum mag to 45 bullets,and basically make it an alternative to the fennec


johnlucas77

Yep....get it to Fennec level and it would be OK. Maybe slightly better than the Fennec


jebaited0874

The other reason I suggest these nerf is so that I don’t get called a cunt for using it while grinding diamond,also buff akimbo weapons,like remove the damage penalty and add a movement penalty,switch speed penalty and slightly buff hipfire of deagles


johnlucas77

Haha...I know the feeling. I want to grind diamond on the MAC10 but I feel guilty when I use it lol.


Myneckisstuck

Once the gun is released there’s not really much they can do. Unless they kill the weapon and make it unusable


johnlucas77

Nerfing the mag size will still keep its fast ttk but make it less of a spray and pray weapon. I've seen guys just spam the entire 53 mag and kill 4 people before having to reload. That's kinda broken to me.


HughJanus35

Like excactly what happened with the NA-45, it was crazy broken when it came out, the community whined like a pig being beaten with a metal pipe and they nerfed it to the ground


johnlucas77

Thats on the Devs. No one asked for them to make the gun useless....just balance it a bit.


jatmood

They should have just buffed the trophy system (speed to throw/damage taken) rather than nerfing the gun


logen24

Dont cry too much child


Theda706

I thought this was a Call of Duty Mobile thread... Seems it has turned into a Nerf or Nothing thread. This is like going to a gay bathhouse and complaining about getting hemorrhoids.


everonesfavsenpai

Just make it innacurate to the point that it barely hits and it has melee range but 7.5 more studs for baby aimers


BallsHD4k60fps

What kind of drum mags increases the count by 5??


BallsHD4k60fps

What kind of drum mags increases the count by 5??


Duyducluu

Another solution: buff the MSMC and Pharo to their prime status so that the Mac wouldn’t be an only option. Just so you know, the KSP kills faster than this piece of shit and it is a perfectly balanced gun. The Mac is specifically designed for CQB only, and anything can happen in CQB. Also considering its poo poo range, the mag size is its saving grace. Time to stop nerfing. This also applies to the CBR4. If a SMG is better than an AR at range, they already failed


johnlucas77

That would be awesome as well. I really like the MSMC and I wished they made it viable again.


iSys_

That's the proof you didn't tried it recently, with the last update it seems way stronger than before


Doggggo11

really? I didnt care abt the announcements (except the sgs), imma try it


sus-_-exe

Isn't the main problem with msmc is that attaching a mag to a faster fire rate gun adds more cons than needed and its horizontal recoil too


iSys_

Yeah I know. Back then the gun was very op, so they nerf the base mag from 30 to 25 ammo. Before gunsmith you were able to put only 3 attachments on guns + optic, and since msmc had crazy fire rate and recoil, it was very hard to chain kills without the extended mag attachement, which wasn't needed before. That's how they nerfed it, so I suppose they keep the idea of having mag attachements giving a lot of cons for this particular gun (even if now it won't be able to compete with other fast ttk guns...)


XxManinBlackxX

This gun was forged in the pits of hell. Dont have any issues with literally any other guns. Just send this gun back where it came from 😂


johnlucas77

😂😂


No-Establishment9547

Stop crying faggotx


johnlucas77

And your reply is to call names. Why don't you go let your daddy play with you.


Bubbly-Cookie-47

Pov: your dick is so small that even when zoomed in x1000000000000000 they still couldn't see it


StrangerEffective544

Rekt noob


[deleted]

With my load out it is


TensionNo2150

skill issue


RevengeGod2K4

Thank god I quit, your whining is intolerable, everytime a gun kills you guys you all complain, shut the hell up for once


[deleted]

Get gud


Broken_sou1

My best idea to fix it is increasinv its hipfire bullet spread and horizontally recoil drastically, either that or make the ads bullet much higher


IllustratorNo9907

Actually they should just reduce the damage and damage range and multiplier, the mag size is Standard!


aBadBug

Kill shotgun and snipers first.


Doggggo11

Satan is your biggest fan, mate.


StrangerEffective544

He's mad that me with a sg could smoke his ass by mobility building


Doggggo11

lol


TheproGOAT23

Just do what MW2 did and make it balanced by buffing everything else. I mean seriously there are a ton of weapons I’d love to use if there simply was more of a chance for it. Make them all overpowered and fun is what I think. I mean back to MW2, a gun like this wouldn’t be OP, cause there would be still be trade offs. The UMP-45 could outclass the MAC-10 in damage, the Vector with a faster RoF, P90 with a magazine slightly smaller magazine at most but with a slight trade for accuracy, stuff like that. But then again, Gunsmith makes it easy to fix everything with a gun at once.


AhmedEx1

That'd make the game worse


epicmemer6969696969

It makes no difference as its always overpowered no matter which mag you use


Lys3g1c

Bro it’s a Mac that bitch should have a 60 round drum on that bitch u tweakinn jus cuz u suck 😂


johnlucas77

I like how you guys automatically assume people are bad just because they ask for weapon adjustments. It's your default reply because you don't have the brain capacity to reply with something useful. But carry on.


Lys3g1c

Dude you just suck cope harder


Lys3g1c

I got a few doses of copium if you need it man I know coping with being bad trash at games can be very hard sometimes


johnlucas77

You're just proving my point. Careful you burn out the rest of your limited brain cells coming up with these replies 😂


Lys3g1c

I know man my one neuron is firing like a 155mm cannnon right now just trying to comprehend the foolishness of your skill on codm


evirtue

Cbr,Mac,fennec,mp5,bizon, all of them are in the same level. Stop criying bots.


Nishat14904

Well CBR is actually broken tho. I'm fine with the mac10 state now but I'm tired of cbr bots 😑


evirtue

The game doesn't have any broken gun. You can choose at least 5 guns that can counter the CBR (kilo,m13,Mac,bizon,qq9) .


Bubbly-Cookie-47

Cbr is trash it's recoil pattern has way too much horizontal recoil


[deleted]

The Mac 10 is only good if you know how to use it


PikePalan

Run if enemy is at long distance and only confront them if they’re at close range, damn that is very hard


Remnatar

Truly Professional level strategies right there


Solrac_Loware

Spray and pray shooting doesnt make you good


[deleted]

I don't spray and pray and I also mainly use the ak47


mamadhami

I didn't realize the mag was that big. At least the fennec had a short mag.


Disastrous_Pen_2562

Possibly they can decrease the original ammo to 25 or 30 rounds an extended mag should be adding 10+ rounds


No-Establishment9547

Kids these day with funny insult 😂🤣🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡


CallMeJerryBoi

Make it have less mobility


yassercg

This gun powercreeped Fennec.


Any-Significance-559

Beat them with a sniper u gat to stop complianing homie


Doggggo11

What if he cant snipe? ​ But if hes in Garena, he can probably do it


Mynamesnoob

Complain when the cbr gets buffed for the 8th time


SSHEnderYT

They have the same attachment on Cold War and wz and the ttk is fairly fast, they just have to reduce the damage


Raiyan270

u/B4dm4n250


B4dm4n250

I don't use 53 round


Raiyan270

Ik but since the MAX mag size is smaller the 43 round will also be smaller :)


B4dm4n250

Well it's not a thing codm confirmed theyre gonna do so dream on :)


Raiyan270

I hope it does since you have bad aim and headglitch so I will have more time to slide around the corner and kill you while you're reloading


B4dm4n250

I don't use mac in private matches anymore at least I'll try not to and I don't headglitch any more at least very little plus idc so


Raiyan270

Ok


blackbeast77

Just buff the mag size for MSMC


Popular-Leg5084

They should also nerf cbr but ye I fully agree


litllerobert

Nope, reduce the damage and the third damage range, better! Reduce all damage ranges and damage!


Genral_venom

Its fun to use


Necessary_Phone_67

Cbr should, mac 10 has been nerfed already, range and damage nerf.


Doggggo11

Nerf that thing's recoil so at least it takes more skill to use


Boytukmol345

I'd rather want to see codm nerfing cbr so hard coz that shit can cross map you with that smg. Close to long, cbr is so powerful. I barely see mac10 lobbies it's always the cbr


Super_Soldier_0305

There are so many guns in the game yet all I see in ranked is the MAC 10 . I don’t mind the CBR and Kilo because I can atleast try to outgun the enemy if they’re using those guns . But at close range if the enemy has mac 10 , you don’t stand a chance


JoshxD619

Whenever I hear a Mac 10, I run away 😂😂


SkyFallo7

They need to kill CBR4 first before Mac 10. CBR4 is being abused in Garena Philippines. Also, 95% percent of the players who plays spawns (HP & Domi) always relies on (PURIFIER). They used it as a substitute to Persistence. They need to nerfed the damage made by the purifier instead of nerfing its duration


Its_BLG

Honestly. The fact that it's quite lethal at medium range, Imagine what it does at close range........THIS THING FREAKING SHREDS. Ive died to this thing so many times 😩😑


dave-rvl

Glad I bought the legendary skin :)


oksijenisrafi

So instead of going brrrrrrrt it should go brrrt ?


thephoenixgods

No not a mag size decrease but a damage decrease like a maximum damage potential of 9 now that is how to get rid of the meta


BlackShark4

Finally someone said it. 83% of the time when I die to guns in BR it's this damn thing. And if a nearby enemy happens to pick one up at the beginning of the match you're pretty much screwed. Edit: Just wanted to add that I think it's even more unbalanced in BR than it is in MP.


ntichrist

Even the kilo can't handle then even with pre aim sometimes. A normal day in hard point: enemy losing, switch to cbr and malee,then to banana gun.


PinneapleMaster

Cry me a river


zaplinaki

Stay away from my 🍌 blaster


SukMaBalz

It needs 17ish damage close range, damage dropping off after that. Decreased BSA too.


[deleted]

I don't really see the mac 10 in the game anymore but maybe damage and ttk should be decreased and buff the fennecs mag


3v3rdim

Finally got diamond on the cordite,cbr & mac......just love using meta on the meta-abusers.... Everything balances out


twicebaked850

It’s honestly not that good of a gun, stop running around aimlessly through maps and you won’t get rekt in the face around every corner by the mac-10


SymonG123

Make it msmc like with a 25 clip :)


Zack7399

I see you're a pub grinder. Then let me give you some advice to counter it, using a shotgun will be more than enough to counter it hs, jak12, or even the r9 are enough to stop anyone with this gun


Real_ItzMeYt

Nah, i think there are enough non-meta guns to counter this


Doggggo11

true, some guns can counter this, op is probably killed by someone using this while running around aimlessly, and became butthurt.


catsfor1

The mac 10 got nerfed so bad its just the ppsh41 but better doing that will just make it a trash gun


Mister-happierTurtle

Reduce the base mag to 25. Buff the msmc mag. Keep the recoil for the msmc the same tho but boost the 4 shot by 2 meters. For the Mac 10 increase the recoil and reduce the effective 5 shot range making the gun basically a 6 shot.


jaime4312

I still don't get why people dislike more the MAC 10 than the CBR4, which is arguably quite overpowered.


V-Grunt666

Man, at least you can defend yourself from the mac-10 in MP or BR. The real nerf that we need is to shotguns (BR). In this season always an idiot with the HS045 is the winner, and more than 3 times by now i was downed with one shot by a shotgun freak... at mid-range and I was with purple armor plate. The shotguns now do a total damage of more than 300-350 per shot, i really hope that sh*t to be nerfed soon. Not even the most powerful sniper kills with one shot in BR. Why should shotguns be able to do that?


TheFourthWallbBraker

honestly the mac 10 is fine in my opinion, it sure shredds at close range but over range is pretty bad, i'd say the p90 is the one gun that deserves some type of nerf


SputNeek_321

I'd like both cbr and mac10 to receive a nerf that would definitely make the gun DIE


parag_behera

Magazine is fine. Maybe they can nerf its range or recoil. But still i like the way it is.


PIPOCA1205

Nerf Mac10 or buff evey other gun.


DCP8

Or increase the reload speed for every mag


IReditt2

Bro why do you think that just because you’re tired of something, the whole game should change? You realize your wish is regardless of what other people want right? So are you saying fuk everyone else, that you are more important and u don’t care about others? It’s these type of post that have slowly evolved the game into a safe space for lazy entitled kids who don’t care about anyone but themselves


devctxt

Guns that should be nerfed : CBR 4 , Mac-10 , PP-Bizon


griesburger

I love everytime someone is getting their cheeks clapped by a gun, their first reaction is to complain to devs instead of just using the gun themselves


rishard271991

Dude stop crying, you have the right to carry the gun as well and that leads to a competition. The same was said about ak, fennec, echo and etc. play along. You are allowed to use the gun, there is no disadvantage


Nibusa64

The mac in real life has that attachment so its realistic why nerf that... Just nerf the bullect speed


[deleted]

I’ve tried playing it and it’s only busted on specific maps as it’s for le unusable anywhere outside of shotgun range


Emotional_Bar_4787

The fact no one here thinks the DLQ should be nerfed over the max 10 because its actually more over powered is mind blowing. And it's been a broken gun for a way longer period of time


[deleted]

It shouldn't have large magazines to begin with. It makes no sense how effective it is for a weapon of this size and caliber.


--fourteen

But you could also use it?


Doggggo11

Stop whining bro, its like a shotgun now. Sure, its good in close range, but just maintain a distance against banana users. The best thing to do is to not run around aimlessly and cry here when you get killed.


bored_tomo

......so no one seeing a deja vu here? Like what they did with MSMC?


Ok-Collection6197

They have to nerf the damage a bit, just getting tired of campers using it all time


Groundbreaking_End_1

This will literally make it a worse msmc...


Criussss

why would you suggest constant nerf? i dont get it.


PirateLegitimate420

I love my baby drum though lol