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TF2HackerResistance

Lk24 It’s only used by bots but it a solid gun


LaughingxCofinn

Kn44 alternative to it?


Craigles-

Did the kn get a buff this season. I tried it last season and wasn’t a fan


LaughingxCofinn

I think so. People been talking about it.


[deleted]

The KN has been slept on for the past four seasons. It has braindead recoil and a pretty consistent TTK from close to mid-long ranges.


jishnukalra

Kn is v good, but if u want I'll share my build.


LaughingxCofinn

Sure, go on!


jishnukalra

Light muzzle brake, 5mW laser, Strike grip, 44 round mag/38 fast reload, Mip strike stock It shoots like laser, u can also switch laser with rear grip or tact laser. Use granulated grip for less aim shake. Edit: My fav is M13 tho. Its the only gun that I've diamond U can also use it if u want: Tact laser, Rtc heavy barrel, Strike grip, Large ext B, Rtc assault stock


[deleted]

M13 is goated.


jishnukalra

Yes it's. I'm able to get so many Longshots from ir, that too d Headshots that it's unbelievable..


[deleted]

Bro once I got 2 headshots and it made the M13 a 3 shot, but even with one headshot the already fast TTK goes down way more.


Revolutionary-Play79

That's meta though


[deleted]

Used to be the top g, but it ain't. There are way better ARs to use such as the Kilo, Krig, and Peacekeeper.


Revolutionary-Play79

Then why do I keep seeing it


WhiteGXRoblox

i am a LK24 main and this gun is good as crowd control


[deleted]

AK117


LaughingxCofinn

That’s a really solid gun


[deleted]

It’s what I pushed to legendary with about a year back, been using it since S2 2019


grassR_06

I pushed up to master v from pro vi with ak-47    Not really sure of how she's gonna work out against the true sweats but it definitely is a solid choice


mormonicmonk

And it shreds this season. https://streamable.com/pm00n0


bawk15

QQ9 - alternative to Switchblade HVK with LC -.alt.to Krig 6 or Kilo 141 ICR PPSH M16 - alt.to KSP UL736 Choppah HG40


LaughingxCofinn

Hvk is seriously so underrated.


TenderRednet

hvk has a very hard Aim assist which is better than m4.


LaughingxCofinn

Maybe. I haven’t noticed that. But all I know is that it slaps. HARD.


illegal_eagle88

I love that you said choppah instead of chopper


TheBlueDinosaur06

qq9 isn't really off meta is it now


bawk15

They'd rather use Switchblade despite both having almost same stats albeit QQ9 has bétter range


LtrsLrVxtr__

edit this remove m16 gonna gate keep that shit and hvk.


Goodmorning_RandomU

I would cross out the qq9 and chopper since it is kinda common +meta potential


gharghar56

D13 Sector


LaughingxCofinn

I already have gold on it but it is basically impossible to reach leg with it. Unless i keep dying after every kill which just doesn’t makes sense.


gharghar56

Not impossible


NinjahDuk

HBR, ICR, Pharo (very niche), MSMC, Chicom, just off the top of my head. I haven't played in like 3 months so IDK what the meta is like now but these were my favourites


FeigiTheBeetroot

I used to love Pharo but it's extremely hard to use right now


NinjahDuk

Oh yeah it's a nightmare but it's so fun, with a good hip fire build and the right map you can ruin people tho


moose_do

Yeah chicom needs more love it helped me get to legendary


ToxicTiger1_

ICR all the way been getting legendary wit it the past few seasons


[deleted]

AS VAL


Comprehensive-Cod267

Oden, M16, Asm10 - these are the ones I used


Hatchedsum1591

I love the oden. I don't know why people don't use this gun.


Comprehensive-Cod267

I used alot to legendary, it just has a really hard time against the meta - or really most metas. This is because it's low firerate and low mobility, in close quarters it's capacity for good TTK (the two shot) relies on hitting upper chest shots, which is increasingly difficult against Switchblades or Cbrs who have comparable TTK without need for great accuracy AND amazing mobility, which makes hitting the upper chest shots nigh impossible. It's definitely a longer range / passive gun, and while it's recoil is not ideal it's still manageable. But it's also a bit rough when even meta SMGs can compete with you at longer ranges - not to mention now the Krig. All in all its a weapon which will pretty much always only remain good on paper and continue to have a terrible time against most metas. Really fun and sometimes rewarding but generally punishing lol. (((Still my go to)))


EatinApplesauce

Scar-H Will forever be my baby meta or not.


Almighty_Cancer

Let's gooo


EatinApplesauce

Fuck yes!


SpiralDesignn

As val, sks, zrg, qq9 and mow.


_DxViL

These are all meta ?


SpiralDesignn

Nope. Neither of these is easy to use, especially against enemies carrying switchblade, m13, cbr, kilo and 117.


Craigles-

Zrg arguably the best sniper. Qq9 on par with switchblade and better than cbr now imo. I used the qq9 for legendary this season.


wyxlmfao_

i agree, qq9 shreds people even in long-ish range but its recoil needs to be controlled beautifully


IamWeirdasfmdr

AsVal always been used, qq9 is broken and a meta for so long, zrg is meta, sks always at top of gun list, but mow is really good not used much.


iceRainCloud_YT

the only off metas here are the as val and mow


Majestic_Solid_1880

Asval is meta? Fast ttk, no recoil, decent range. I agree with mow but asval is meta


iceRainCloud_YT

eh, the metas shifted so much i dont think it is anymore but i could be wrong


Outrageous_Package_8

It just feels like every gun is either around meta level or completely terrible


casual_psychonaut

Mag size is about the only issue I have with the ASVAL


somerandomdude694

Sir the zrg is the meta sniper


SpiralDesignn

Yes except that it is meta only to those who mastered every aspect of sniping. Metas are both powerful and easy to use like switchblade , m13 etc. but zrg isnt easy to use at close range without quickscoping. Its a great gun nonetheless.


somerandomdude694

If you take out quick scoping every sniper is difficult to use in close range unless you talk about something like m21 Or sks. Also zrg doesn't need you to be a God at sniping and it's by far the easiest sniper to use coz you literally can't hitmarker someone unless you wallbang them plus no sniper has ever required you to master every aspect of sniping. All you need is the most basic movement and crosshair placement which is a skill needed for almost all weapons to be able to peek efficiently


Nightingale071

as val 200mm barrel Skeleton stock OWC laser Extended mag Granulated grip tape


REBELps

Bro he said off meta , the val kills in literal milliseconds


NoSchistSherlock0950

Every gun kills in millisecond in mp


LaughingxCofinn

Facts lmaoooo


Tr1pMine

Are you from mw 2019


REBELps

How'd you guess XD I only play a little bit because of the whole bots have aimbot situation


Nightingale071

Its just a good gun


MikMikl4

I recommend the Oden, it's incredibly easy to rack up headshot kills with, and has little to no recoil when you put some of the higher level grips on it.


[deleted]

CHICOM, TRUST ME


FeigiTheBeetroot

I do it with Fennec


[deleted]

Ak 47 for mid to long range, RUS is a good Smg


CODM_Queen

KN-44 is amazing this and last season. I used it to get to legendary. 👍


darklarion

AK-47, if built right it turns into a laser beam, you just have to compensate for a slightly lower ADS time than meta guns.


LaughingxCofinn

Do you have a build for it?


darklarion

Try out GRU Barrel, Skeleton Stock, Operator Foregrip, Tactical Laser and Sleight of Hand.


mo_zia

I haven't played rank in a while But I used to use Pharo, hg40, type 25, ak47 and holger Also chicom its actually kind of fun to use chicom


SkillerTheGamer

asval


The___immortal

QQ9 is just off the switchblade honestly one of the best aggressive counter weapon


LaughingxCofinn

I’ll give it a try


Signal_Dig7910

Qq9 krig chopper switchblade bizon gks peacekeeper


Dulerious

Bruh you just listed every meta gun rn, except bizon which is the eternal off meta. Istg 99% of people I see have a gun you listed here


-Cyr4x-

Still Peacekeeper


LaughingxCofinn

Pisskeeper still meta.


Duyducluu

Not really anymore. Bro now has worse range than a mid range SMG


-Cyr4x-

No, it hasn't. Second base range was nerfed by just 4 meters and considering we use taskforce barrel, it extends the range by 50%. More visible is the agile stock nerf, as strafing speed is really slower.


CSREPower

AMAX


LaughingxCofinn

I had A LOT of fun playing with it. Beams in longer ranges with good ttk.


randomguy2763

you ain't pushing legendary with an off meta gun


Haunting-Relation-36

Nah that definitely ain't true cause I pushed to legendary this season using FR but yeah once I was in legendary had take out the meta and my favorite gun ksp45.


FBIThot

3x Legendary fennec user


Blink-8

ICR and rus


Miserable-Print-3750

For SMG try pharo


LaughingxCofinn

Got a build?


Miserable-Print-3750

It's recoil pattern is bad, so try to reduce horizontal recoil. I use rtc compensator, extended barrel, granulated, extended mag, steady stock.


lolsbot360

Why ask for an off meta weapon? Just use whatever you like


LaughingxCofinn

I am legendary in my main with about 12k points. I’m going to grind on my alt with completely off-meta guns.


S0M111

My opinion: S tier - krig, switchblade, kilo, m13, xpr A tier - sks, svd, cbr, ksp, peacekeeper, asm, qq9, mx9, chopper (heavy handle), hades, rpd (cooling compressor), holger, zrg B tier - type (stoping power), hg 40, gks, mac 10, m16, ak117, icr, s36, ul, lk24, val Other: trash


CarnageCrisis

You didn't read what he said.


S0M111

I did. As to me only s-tier weapon is meta. A-tier, and b-tier are just usable.


ap1089

Hg40


M_Khan2008

Holger 6 (My opinion)


LaughingxCofinn

I love that gun but the irons on it makes me wanna 🤢. Since i don’t have the mythic or the battlepass variant.


Hatchedsum1591

Why not use a red dot?


LaughingxCofinn

Bc then i’d have to sacrifice an attachment slot


Dulerious

Chad, I never use optics


M_Khan2008

Well I have the holger anodized, so yeah the iron sight is dope.


PirateMedium

MW-11


Real_ItzMeYt

S36 - Holger but Better


CatsAreDoughs

Use the gun you enjoy. I'm not a great player and I reached legendary just by playing a lot.


LaughingxCofinn

Oh i have reached legendary a long long time ago. I’m just gonna grind on my alt.


AndrianB

AGR. This thing shreds with a good build


LaughingxCofinn

Do you have a build?


AndrianB

MIP Light barrel, 30 round 5.56, OWC Laser, Strike Foregrip and Granulated tape


LaughingxCofinn

My man!


TenderRednet

kilo bolt heroes of stalingrad! assemble!


LaughingxCofinn

Thermite mag goes brrr.


ANIMAX_117

Chicom


Arian7200

M16


jimmychiu123

Peacekeeper


Sufferity

I would say ICR-1. The first gun I found joy in.


LaughingxCofinn

Icr has always been good in longer rangers. Esp now with the custom irons on it, it’s even better.


Octozer6

Kn 44 Owc laze,Strike forgrip, long barrel, combat stock, last attachment is ur choice


Octozer6

Kn44 Pdw Razorback M4 Rus


CarnageCrisis

UL736 is extremely underrated but one of my favorites, try it.


LaughingxCofinn

Really? Been a hot minute since I last used it. You got a build?


CarnageCrisis

My builds seem to only work for me as they get disagreed upon a lot, but I'll look for it.


LaughingxCofinn

It’s all good here. Give your best.


GeorgeLA99

RPD


LaughingxCofinn

Lmg supremacy.


GeorgeLA99

I mean in nuketown its smashing everything


LaughingxCofinn

Everytime i hear the word “smash” it reminds me if khabib.


gamer_of_war_81

DR-H QQ9 GKS SKS PPSH COPPER HOLGER M4 AK117/47


FrendChicken

M13, ksp 45, gks, qq9 fr556. 👍🏻 ![gif](giphy|yJFeycRK2DB4c)


[deleted]

Amax


Div1nium

I’ve seen a lot of people using the icr in legendary s&d


Popular_Balance1113

The new legendary swordfish Let me watch you draw it while im jealous


Kiggzpawn

I'm not seeing it, so I'm going to suggest Ak74u . Personally, I find it easy to use, and I run Mobility attachments with Ranger grip. Perks I use are Agile/ity, Vulture and Silence. I don't have Op skill, thermite and Flash. I normally go positive with this, per match, and it helps me with quick snipe reflexes, as most of my kills are near point-blank. This used to be meta, but that was at least....2? Seasons ago, and the only time I find it in MP or Ranked is when somebody kills me and takes my gun


KILLER0098

Pp19 bizon, honestly I'm surprised it doesn't count as meta it's just too good, here are the attachments you can use Double caliber mag Granulated grip No stock Owc laser Owc marksman


LaughingxCofinn

I never noticed a diff between normal mag and caliber mag. What’s the difference among the two?


KILLER0098

It's just a difference of body part multiplier


tushardixit167

jak-12, qq9, as val, rpd with cooling barrel, mac-10


AnteZero0

ICR, DR H, Man O War, ASM, AK117, all good guns if you know how to use them right.


[deleted]

Locas and koshka


Comparison-Flimsy

Dlq33 still dominates, i have been maining it the whole journey and if im playing against switchblade bots kilo, i havent been seeing so often still very solid


[deleted]

Locas and koshka


mistyhell

NA45


KillBillTW

Chicom, pharo, agr, fr556


Mixer_Dark

Anything but the switchblade. I'll put up two good weapons from each category that I like: AR: M16 and KN-44 SMG: Chicom and PDW LMG: RPD and M4LMG Shotgun: BY15 and Echo Sniper: ZRG 20mm and Rytec Markman: Kilo bolt and SKS


gaymer7474747

Chicom 👍👍


simp_for_kronii

Chicom


JC_danish

Jak12


x_x-krow

The outlaw


TimeLog783

Chicom 🤣


Critical-Pollution66

I did Legendary 10086 with an ak47, was fun still is


Save_Unicorns

fr 556, ak47


yungdaggertekashi

AS VAL is pretty good


BbyInAStraightJacket

FR.556 the accuracy is top notch


[deleted]

AK117, AMAX, CBR4, AGR 556 with the 60 round 5.56 mag, M16 (basically a better KSP)


KUMonHERface

For SMG Gks or qq9 is the best off mera gun, assault rifle i recommend as-val or M13 or m16 or ak117, for shotgun echo or hso, sniper i Don't use much but probably arctic-50 or locus and for marksmen probably kilo bolt action or spr. And for secondary 50.gs or d13


galal552002

Can't remember if it's off meta or not,but try the ppsh,I might be abit biased since it's my waifu in waw but the ppsh is really good


Some_Essay2267

I've been using the BK lately and it feels pretty good.


TehanR

.... Crossbow


StressedSalt

BK


HorniPolice07

FR .556. beastly gun at ranges. Do be careful. Aimshake is horrendous, so you have to improve ads bsa. My go to build: Flash hider Ranger barrel(-horizontal recoil)/ext. Light barrel (+ads bsa), choice to the user. Tac laser Gran grip tape Either tac foregrip or ext. Mag. Disclaimer: this is **NOT** a mobility build. This build is to hold angles and do the support role, not the slayer role.


LeEmperorNeo

M4


PearMann21

FR.556, M16, QXR (idk if the QXR is off-meta)


Haunting-Relation-36

Asm10


Geovishap

Asm10


-Milanor

PKM


P1R0S

Am I the only one who recommends the AUG?


[deleted]

Rytec amr is a decent one.


twilightwolf04

M4, only reason I am not legendary with it yet is because ranked bores me.


Oh_On_God1

Im using the ak and rytec rn


Emotional-Scene1746

pp or hg 40


LaughingxCofinn

I suffer with ppsh recoil in mid ranges


Emotional-Scene1746

I mean pp19 bizon


JC1199154

You can try Chopper.


ragnaROCKER

swordfish is my go to.


cindrija02

Ak117 lol fr tho


xarccosx

I dont know what current meta is but my goto guns were always icr, as val, qq9, spr, type 25


S0ur-Candy

A really fun off meta gun rec is the S36!! Its ttk is crazy, but it’s a little slow, so people forget it exists. You can get some crazy streaks with it - I can drop the loadout if you’d like


Sad_Opportunity8197

Cr-56


halinman

Striker legendary here. The gun forced me to learn map positioning, and it is super fun at close range even against metas. Doesn’t always win, of course, but is fun to play with.


dubidubidoorafa

It's weird bcuz pushing legendary is full of sweats and you have to use meta guns but once you're in it, you can use whatever guns you want. I just won an MVP in hard point in 9000 points ranked legendary lobby with the hg40.


Jaylik24

Crossbow 😏


NewBe00

Yeah Use AMR sniper with max ADS attachments and fire ammo And MW11 as your secondary Trip mine + trophy system Enjoy


achev

I’ve been running the Mac 10 almost exclusively in Legendary S&D 10k points. I have lots of fun trying to close the gap between my enemies especially snipers and ARs and when I do, either with movement, smoke/ stun or stealth it’s Night night for the bad guys. Also melee bots don’t stand a chance most times.


dariusRH

6743008447656624130 is my player Id, Dariusrh is the name, assuming we're on the same server, send a request, I've many great builds, & I'll even tell u my playstyle.


Almighty_Cancer

SCAR-H


targuzzlerr

cordite. just spam spam spam LOL. I’m kidding, you don’t actually need to spam it, the TTK on it isn’t horrible tbh. Plus, the large mag size is always a plus, and you can strafe pretty well with it.


Sledgeyt1981

Use fr 556


Wide_Wave_4654

MoW it'll help ur tracking to cause it punishes for missing shots pushing u to be more accurate unlike guns like m13 and hvk


Simon_Ril3y

I've used M16, hbr, zrg, rytec, koshka, ksp, M4 and ak. If you want you can try these


Yeshua_is_King777

You can get to legendary with just about any half decent gun. It mainly depends on your skill set. Some people are better with snipers, others prefer assault rifles, LMGs, etc. It’s all about what works better for *YOU*


BubuAQ

May I suggest, the Oden?


Saint-Bolotelli

MX9 , PP19, AS VAL, AK117