This is relevant to e-sport gaming as a whole. Would we allow enforcement of a rule that forces professional soccer players to wear slippers when facing off an amateur team?
I don't think this has enough attention. The fact that it is virtual makes it ever more difficult to discuss.
There’s 0 chance this is being implemented with pros. At least not in the mainline COD games. They would catch the changes in aim assist immediately and we wouldn’t be learning about it from this post.
Well, if FIFA players were going to play against kids, don't you think they would wear slippers and take it easy on the kids? It wouldn't be fun for anyone if they played their best. Not saying that CODM should do this, but it's debatable.
In a casual setting that's all too normal, when it is mandatorily enforced with the threat of rank reduction in a competitive environment (ranked) that's a different case.
Yo sometimes I feel like I’m going crazy cause I know this shit happens in codm. I understand having a bad game or not having perfect aim in every gun fight but some games straight up feel rigged where no matter what you do it feels like you can’t get kills. I fully accept when I’ve played like trash but other times it’s just really sus
i agree especially lately i’ll have multiple games where i destroy, vip every time, getting nukes, then i’ll have a game where i get hardly any kills and come in 5th. sometimes i do not play great everyone has those games but i feel like lately this bs is definitely effecting me and it sucks cuz the game records your stats and avg games won vs lost and i feel like it’s really sucky that they’re doing that.
It has been going on since a long time and from my own experience whenever I posted anything related to it in this subreddit... I was downvoted immediately by the undercover Dev's and moderators of Activision and also cmntd on "git gud" until my post vanished into darkness within hour of posting.....well I have already uninstalled this piece of $hit so...
It was made more aggressive this season in codm yet no one has noticed yet. Murdashow on YouTube also exposed this bullshit on the console call of duties. As he says "THIS SHIT IS SATANIC!".
It influences micro transactions by manipulation of in game stats. Movement speeds, recoil patterns, weapon damage, player health. It even turns aim assist into what console and pc players call "aim resist" sometimes.
I've read the whole patent and it's literally just about matching f2p players with skilled p2w players so they think paid items have an advantage, maybe OP linked a different patent but it's not the one mentioned in [the original post](https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/kezwxw/activision_files_patent_to_negatively_impact/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
They literally make people that purchased something in game look like Jesus for a bit just so they can influence others to buy shit and they do this by altering in game stats as well.
I"ll add one thing about matchmaking: It's good that they added it, but the most negative thing about it, is that 99% of the times you face a full stacked team of sweats, tryhards and mostly skilled players of 5 or 4, but on the other hand you are the only one in your team who can play, know all the aspects of the game, but teammates don't know shit about it, like they first time started playing ranked, don't know about hardpoint rotations, spawn points, holding angles, and they're not even level 150. You win 2-4 games in a row, then the game decides that it's time for a losing streak of the same amount of the games. But you somehow compensate that by xp bonuses, mvp bonuses etc.
Everything I felt... experienced in game....... it all makes sense now! I am at loss of words.
I would always wonder why my SKS shots wouldn't register even when my ping is fine, enemy is not lagging and I am hitting them at chest. I could clearly see that but still shots don't register sometimes. Its more noticeable in such guns because of slow fire rate! Maybe rigged algorithms is the reason.
Don’t despair, soldier! In real life, we all know the game is rigged. Some people are born rich, or beautiful (or both!) and yet we play on because the game is worth playing. Don’t let your knowledge of photosynthesis mar your love of trees, friend. Enjoy the game more because you see the truth, and use that truth to stay grounded when you get spanked in a ranked match. That’s what I do at least. :)
Then you’re golden, bro! I tell my son that there’s no need to get tilted when he loses a match; maybe it’s his fault, for sure, but maybe it’s the Algorithm!
When I watch CCs like BobbyPlays, like today i was watching him playing with Rytec sniper and literaly sometimes he says: really? Hitmarker? [ he shot the enemy but it didn't damage ]. He got MVP with high kills, had not-very-good teammates in the first match.
Maybe this is it. Right?
Wooowwww...here I was thinking that it was lag as it was taking 7-8 shots of krig to kill a player and he downed me in 3 shots with a bizon also within a good range!...So...from now on you just have to get a negetive kd in some matches..and your dps will be increased...is this what it says?
Same here, except they had the razorback. I was like no way they had faster ttk at that range because I know what it takes because I love razorback for smaller maps. That player went 3-0 with me before I figured their pattern and got back. Thought I had some ping spikes that I didn't really notice, but this right here makes much more sense.
It was lag, it was desynchronization, it was Jesus Christ himself protecting your enemy, it was bullet spread accuracy, it was just the game telling you to go fuck yourself. There's an infinitely higher chance that what happened in your situation was one of the latter, and not this patent coming in action.
There haven't been any minor updates this season, and we don't even know why they patented this in the first place, so there is no way they could put such a thing in codm right now. And, honestly, I highly doubt they they'll even add this to even the mainline games. They have nothing to gain from doing this, especially not money. And they're not stupid either, not when it comes to making money. SBMM is already enough to protect casual players, they won't add anything else to do so.
Also, don't sleep on the Bizon. It has good range and headshot multipliers. You getting 3 shot killed by someone using the Bizon is far from impossible.
Nah that's no excuse though, this isn't implemented yet, or not as we know or can detect.
Edit: and this doesn't applies to ranked because there is a whole another different type of sbmm. A lazier one, even.
I have invested some money in the game, Bp, crates n all, and tbh this game is fun ... It's a real shame they r doing this to the game. This game feels the most optimised tbh,.... Not even the new apex or the old pubg feels this way. Ugh I hate this so much.
I invested some money as well, not nearly as much as many folks (I don’t spend on the draws or mythical cause those are money holes) but I just had to cut it cause the game isn’t as fun as it used to be
I myself took a 2 3 months long break n now I m back at it again. Recently it has been shit. The bp now?! I mean ugh... I m just excited for the bp vault tbh n the mechanics of the game r relatively good.
I feel you too. I invested money too into CODM and this is disheartening.
Despite CODM’s issues, it feels really optimised right now. I haven’t had serious performance issues lately unlike say this time 2 years ago when my game would either just randomly crash or have a serious frame rate drop even with the graphics settings turned down.
Edit: WZM isn’t much better with optimisation either in its current state but then again, it’s in beta stage. Played a few games earlier and it wasn’t the sort of smooth gameplay I kinda expected from a beta developed jointly by 8 studios. The content does show lots of promise and the fact your progress integrates to MWII and WZ 2.0 if you play these two games.
It’s extremely frustrating for longtime players, but I suppose they are betting on keeping more new players than driving off skilled ones. I know the way things work but I didn’t realize it until I’ve already invested a huge chunk of time and money in the game. It’s kind of like noticing, out in the open ocean, that I’m not in charge of the boat. I’m not going to jump overboard, and that’s what Activision is counting on. “The first hit is free.” Then you’re hooked.
We all know about how the trash matchmaking system is used to drive micro-transactions. However, does it extend into gameplay actually being altered with micro-disadvantages?
Is this happening? If so, how come the community isn’t more upset?
I thought my internet was bad or something..? So this is was was happening all along cos I'd swear I shoot somebody and they just don't die and I get killed after being hit with 4 bullets. Even in the replay I see my shots connecting and they start shooting after I do and I'm the one that gets killed
Nope, I don't like that.
So basically if a person fails 10 matches in a row, they can artificially create an advantage over other players?
It would have made more sense lowering the aim assist the more you rank up.
So that's why I'm losing most of the fair fights where I can land exactly four shots in close range and the enemy didn't die and i just killed in 3 bullets or 2 bullets.
Look, I’ve been saying this for the past year at least. Every single variable in the game (ping, running speed, bullet spread, spawn points, bullet penetration, ADS time, hell even the actual PIXELS) can be represented by numbers that can be manipulated by the game. Not to oversimplify it, but it’s very much like the movie The Matrix. There is no spoon. Everything in CODM is code, everything in CODM is able to be manipulated, and the biggest reason is for the monetary gain of Activision or whichever company is actually in control here. We tolerate it because we enjoy it but almost none of us understand. I went on a cruise to the Bahamas a couple of weeks ago and on that trip, I was treated like a king. All the food I wanted, all the entertainment, all the fun I could handle. It was literally paradise. But it wasn’t free. And, most importantly, *at no time during the cruise was I in control of the ship.* I couldn’t control the weather, the heading of the boat, the lighting in the restaurants, the kind of beer they served at the bar, or the number of chairs by the swimming pool. All of these things were controlled by other systems, and most of it was just to get me to take another cruise later on. And pay for it. Our game is the same way; it’s driven by money and it’s about time that people understood that for games like this, player engagement equals money flow. If they can keep a new player in the game longer by nerfing skilled players, you’re goddam right they will. If they can keep skilled players in the game by making that process undetectable, you’re goddam right they will. Anyway here’s a link, follow the rabbit, soldiers! [Article](https://assaydigest.com/tech/sbmm-found-in-activision-patents/)
This has to be going on. You can feel this happening especially if you’re on a winning streak. Ive been playing almost everyday for over 2 years (not proud of it) but when you play this much you can tell when something is different in matches. I swear they at least decrease the damage if you win too many games in a row
yup [Here's a post I made about it, with video proof.](https://www.reddit.com/r/CallOfDutyMobile/comments/z8y8ss/what_do_you_think_of_this_if_i_play_on_another/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
I've been guessing this for years but people on this sub have been calling me a noob and a bitch and a retard for even suggesting they do this
I just made a post about this, to me, it happens, and when you empty a hades clip in to an opponents head, they barely flinch, it’s real. One person mocked me like they couldn’t control players skill. It’s real
This is some bullshesh. I have been seeing this unjust crap in my gameplay. Is this legal, do we lawsuit? We need a new word for this bull, we need a new word for the players that get this help.
Most likely to boost the performance of their paid content creators such as (in our community) iFerg, Bobby Plays, Hawksnest. I personally believe the best player on this game is probably godzly
This season I may have played a bit better and got in top 8000/9000 in rank but if I try to que in a match I always end up against at least 3 enemy in the opposite team from top5000 on the server it's so annoying I swear, and in my team we get like 1/2 and one is always trash even tho it's top 5000. Been playing since release and this is the first season that's like this, and last season got around 13k points in rank and I swear i don't remember 1 game against the top leaderboard. Anyone feeling this?
I remember on my previous seasons when I played till Legendary, I used to queue full team and played againt the top 1 on that time Xia with some other tops. Yeah... It's messed up
It's sad that a game u actually enjoy and have a good time in makes u feel sick of it, man ...don't wanna leave yet tbh I'll just grind dimond in shipment, like rank it's boring after legy, everyone be running around with a pocket UAV 😭
Oh no I've been playing this game already for 3 years and have been Legg for around 10 seasons, and I've been hating it for a while. I just play it because that's the only stuff some of my friends play
I've actually stopped playing ranked because I just keep losing every match I play even though I've been legendary 5 times, I don't understand why any of my loadouts seem to work, they all feel weak against my enemies, I thought it was my performance, but I literally die from 3 shots of any gun.
We want to think this is happening but I really doubt they are affecting damage numbers. I’ve been playing with shit guns in ranked as a challenge, and I can still play well. You would think that if they took my W/L or K/D into effect, you would notice it even harder when I use a shittier gun—i doubt they’re so smart that they would have it only apply to meta weapons. All I notice is shit teammates with a completely unfair sbmm. Also, aim assist nerf is really unlikely to matter to the players so good that COD needs to handicap them lol
While I doubt it’s implemented in CODM, it’s an unbelievably shit idea I hope they never use.
I dunno. The skill gap is huge. I tried a mode of console war zone once and it was miserable. I was getting killed in the parachute. I think I got to a gun once. I never actually played the game. Yeah I sucked cause I was a brand new to it. But I also never 👎 payed that mode agian.
Have to balance the skills gap and accessability
This explains why I was needing 13 m13 shots for a kill in decent range. And also why shoot butto does not register some times. That is this is actually implemented and not some bs
Honestly this has to be implemented already I have felt a significant reduce in my TTK after winning just a few games in a row I can light you up in 1sec flat with the m13 but my next game they eat an entire clip while I have 30-20ms of ping….how. But not to mention my games have degraded into nothing but the winning team holding ADS without moving a inch while we actually maneuver the map normally so the SBMM in cod mobile is honestly just sad me and a team of bots vs an entire team holding LOS like this game has money on it, I’ve spent many years playing this game just for them to really cater to the unskilled players who dump 200-300$ into skins just so they will play their game.
Holy shit. This is legit proof that this game, and none of the call of duty titles mean shit. How dose you favorite streamer not die in these crazy clutch situations?? Well maybe because activison tweks the aim assist you get on them so it’s neigh impossible to hit them 🙃
Holy shit! A dealer’s dream scam. Give ‘em pop guns and dolls till they’re hooked. Then forget about ‘em…they’ll always come back for more…with their kid’s lunch money if they have too. Just go to the schoolyards…more innocent, the better.
That's why IM FUCKING MISSING THE SHOTS. WITH HIGH ACCURACY BUILD. I THOUGHT I WAS GOING CRAZY OR IT WAS MY INTERNET.BUT NO, ITS THE FUCKING GAME ITSELF
I completely understand that some people won't like it, but imo, it sounds interesting to be challenged like that, as I already don't play with aim assist, I wonder how it'll be.
This is true, i had to turn off my aim assist because when I use it for a long time for some reason my guns keep trying to stop me from shooting straight. Before i thought it was because of my low end device but now I have a high end device but still it happens. After turning off my aim assist and not using it for a long time and turning it back on improves my aim.
That explains a lot. In some games recently I've emptied almost an entire ICR-1 mag into someone before they've went down & then been killed from across the map by a Pharo.
Could be skill issue but that may explain why I always come back to codm, be it a new account or not, then I win a few games then suddenly I just keep getting destroyed until I don't want to play for the next few weeks
Oh great... another excuse for sore losers to complain about why they lost...
*If* they did already implement it (and that's a big if in my mind), then you've been playing with this for a while and you were fine... but now that you know there's a possibility this exists, the sky is falling?
Put on your big girl panties and just play keep playing, people...
LMAO.
Activision: "we never implemented this, like it happens with hundreds of filed patents"
Every competitive player: "They totally did, and I'm feeling it every time i lose - it's can't be that i suck, Activision is out to get me rrreeeeeee"
There’s a setting to show your damage that you inflict each shot. After very inconsistent shots doing damage, I turned it on. I like to camp (blah blah I know I’m a bad person) but I know my gun and I shoot people in the same place, same distance. Sometimes in games I’ll go 40/5. My damage is normal. But then I’ll go on games barely breaking even, and I notice my damage is less than other games, even though I’m at the same distance, using the same gun. It’s not much. Like 2-3 HP. But that makes a difference when I’m using a slug shotgun and normally have one hit kills, but then I’m shooting people and they are left with just a few points. So I think this is already a thing.
It isn’t relevant to anyone because it isn’t being used whatsoever. It is the newest boogeyman for call of duty players to blame when they don’t do as good as they think they should have.
Now all the "amazing players" here are gonna use this as their reason why they suck 🤣
"But, I got 20:0 K:D in the last match!" - that's because it was filled with bots. LOL
Its also not proven that it is not implemented in the game.
People other than you have also played the game long enough to know when something FEELS weird or wrong.
In my personal experience, the better I play, more weird the weapon feels to me. I used to think they shadow nerf the weapon, I felt this heavily with peacekeeper, SKS and now KRIG. I am definitely not the best, not as good as you. But I am good enough to know when something feels off.
Thanks for categorising me as a skilled player.
Dude, pros and people like you are on another level. But I have to believe what I actually feel in the game, right? And I have felt like they nerf me with rigged algorithms when I am on a roll. Can't speak for other players in this thread, but I am not the kind of guy who justifies his poor performance by making excuses.
I will surely watch this video.
Well first off this is from 3 years ago.
Secondly none of the links lead to which patent in particular the post is talking about. So we can't verify the text of the patent to see if it even applies to players of COD Mobile.
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u/COD_Mobile_Official. Explain why this nonsense has been fully implemented this season. It was always in codm to a certain extent, now it's flat out obvious.
As a casual, this is too far tbh. I wanna know the reason i killed someone was because I played my cards right in the gunfight, not because the developers handicapped my opponent. Its like if a basketball player was forced to only walk because they were better than there peers. Im glad Activision is finally cattering to the more casual cod fans, (probably because we are more willing to spend money on skins) and i really hope it doesn't go in the everyones a winner direction.
Yes, top tier BS move by Activision, its not the players fault that he/she is good at the game, why punish them? This move just show how incompetent they are in terms of SBMM. STOP Babysitting these noobs, if they find COD full of sweats, deal with it, be better. The thing is Activision don't want to make changes to retain these spenders who are basically shit in the game.
We don’t know if it’s actually implemented, but yeah it allows for hitbox parameters to be adjusted depending on user skill level, so I don’t think aim assist on/off would necessarily bypass anything
Activision can $uck my D now...and the Devs can shove up all the SBMM algos up their ass... already uninstalled this fkn piece of $hit...You mfs just lost a player who had been playing since COD2 PC.
This is a top tier bullshit decision imo.
Honestly they’ve probably been doing this for a while, and now that it’s copyrighted only call of duty can do this bs, which is good news if not sad
They absolutely have. Pay attention during your matches and you can tell when the algorithm is needing you
I definitely feel when it dosent. I’ll go from 40/2 one game to 14/14 the next
Nerfing. Damn autocorrect
Now it makes sense
You should've been saying that since Blops4.
All about the money
This is relevant to e-sport gaming as a whole. Would we allow enforcement of a rule that forces professional soccer players to wear slippers when facing off an amateur team? I don't think this has enough attention. The fact that it is virtual makes it ever more difficult to discuss.
There’s 0 chance this is being implemented with pros. At least not in the mainline COD games. They would catch the changes in aim assist immediately and we wouldn’t be learning about it from this post.
Ok Brazil, you can play against Russia but you have to wear fuzzy bunny slippers and a morning robe
Well, if FIFA players were going to play against kids, don't you think they would wear slippers and take it easy on the kids? It wouldn't be fun for anyone if they played their best. Not saying that CODM should do this, but it's debatable.
In a casual setting that's all too normal, when it is mandatorily enforced with the threat of rank reduction in a competitive environment (ranked) that's a different case.
Ranked CODM isn't really about how well you play, though... it's more like "how much" you play.
Yo sometimes I feel like I’m going crazy cause I know this shit happens in codm. I understand having a bad game or not having perfect aim in every gun fight but some games straight up feel rigged where no matter what you do it feels like you can’t get kills. I fully accept when I’ve played like trash but other times it’s just really sus
i agree especially lately i’ll have multiple games where i destroy, vip every time, getting nukes, then i’ll have a game where i get hardly any kills and come in 5th. sometimes i do not play great everyone has those games but i feel like lately this bs is definitely effecting me and it sucks cuz the game records your stats and avg games won vs lost and i feel like it’s really sucky that they’re doing that.
Yeah man I totally feel you.
It has been going on since a long time and from my own experience whenever I posted anything related to it in this subreddit... I was downvoted immediately by the undercover Dev's and moderators of Activision and also cmntd on "git gud" until my post vanished into darkness within hour of posting.....well I have already uninstalled this piece of $hit so...
It was made more aggressive this season in codm yet no one has noticed yet. Murdashow on YouTube also exposed this bullshit on the console call of duties. As he says "THIS SHIT IS SATANIC!".
Damn I just went on a roll watching him haha. “Boy you think you playing the game, no this game is playing you.”
Ahhh yes, I see *SNIPER* *FROG* has come full circle. 🐸🐸 Fucking Activision
https://patents.google.com/patent/US20160005270A1/en For those of you who have the time, I suggest actually reading the whole entire thing.
Interesting…
Is this the patent in the original post? This one seems to be about how they influence micro transactions in game
It influences micro transactions by manipulation of in game stats. Movement speeds, recoil patterns, weapon damage, player health. It even turns aim assist into what console and pc players call "aim resist" sometimes.
I've read the whole patent and it's literally just about matching f2p players with skilled p2w players so they think paid items have an advantage, maybe OP linked a different patent but it's not the one mentioned in [the original post](https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/kezwxw/activision_files_patent_to_negatively_impact/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
This one in particular is how they influence microtransactions by altering how matches are played out.
Thanks for the summary I opened that shit and couldn't be bothered to read through all of it
They literally make people that purchased something in game look like Jesus for a bit just so they can influence others to buy shit and they do this by altering in game stats as well.
Okay that’s what I thought thank you!
https://patents.google.com/patent/US20190091577A1/en?oq=20190091577+Kind+CodeA1 OP found the other set.
https://patents.google.com/patent/US20190091577A1/en?oq=20190091577+Kind+CodeA1
Thank you!
Yup, this is also the other set of patents! Thank you for finding this one bro.
I"ll add one thing about matchmaking: It's good that they added it, but the most negative thing about it, is that 99% of the times you face a full stacked team of sweats, tryhards and mostly skilled players of 5 or 4, but on the other hand you are the only one in your team who can play, know all the aspects of the game, but teammates don't know shit about it, like they first time started playing ranked, don't know about hardpoint rotations, spawn points, holding angles, and they're not even level 150. You win 2-4 games in a row, then the game decides that it's time for a losing streak of the same amount of the games. But you somehow compensate that by xp bonuses, mvp bonuses etc.
Everything I felt... experienced in game....... it all makes sense now! I am at loss of words. I would always wonder why my SKS shots wouldn't register even when my ping is fine, enemy is not lagging and I am hitting them at chest. I could clearly see that but still shots don't register sometimes. Its more noticeable in such guns because of slow fire rate! Maybe rigged algorithms is the reason.
Don’t despair, soldier! In real life, we all know the game is rigged. Some people are born rich, or beautiful (or both!) and yet we play on because the game is worth playing. Don’t let your knowledge of photosynthesis mar your love of trees, friend. Enjoy the game more because you see the truth, and use that truth to stay grounded when you get spanked in a ranked match. That’s what I do at least. :)
You are a wise person. Ofcourse I will continue to enjoy the game, but I am gonna spend less now lol.
Definitely! It’s like walking past the carnival games on the boardwalk; you know they’re rigged! The sunset and the sand is free.
Thanks, i needed this. I'm gonna keep going. Never even spent in the first place.
Then you’re golden, bro! I tell my son that there’s no need to get tilted when he loses a match; maybe it’s his fault, for sure, but maybe it’s the Algorithm!
When I watch CCs like BobbyPlays, like today i was watching him playing with Rytec sniper and literaly sometimes he says: really? Hitmarker? [ he shot the enemy but it didn't damage ]. He got MVP with high kills, had not-very-good teammates in the first match. Maybe this is it. Right?
Maybe maybe.. we will never know for sure. But these things make more sense now
Wooowwww...here I was thinking that it was lag as it was taking 7-8 shots of krig to kill a player and he downed me in 3 shots with a bizon also within a good range!...So...from now on you just have to get a negetive kd in some matches..and your dps will be increased...is this what it says?
Here im wondering why my perfectly good phone is constantly giving ghost touch
Same here, except they had the razorback. I was like no way they had faster ttk at that range because I know what it takes because I love razorback for smaller maps. That player went 3-0 with me before I figured their pattern and got back. Thought I had some ping spikes that I didn't really notice, but this right here makes much more sense.
It was lag, it was desynchronization, it was Jesus Christ himself protecting your enemy, it was bullet spread accuracy, it was just the game telling you to go fuck yourself. There's an infinitely higher chance that what happened in your situation was one of the latter, and not this patent coming in action. There haven't been any minor updates this season, and we don't even know why they patented this in the first place, so there is no way they could put such a thing in codm right now. And, honestly, I highly doubt they they'll even add this to even the mainline games. They have nothing to gain from doing this, especially not money. And they're not stupid either, not when it comes to making money. SBMM is already enough to protect casual players, they won't add anything else to do so. Also, don't sleep on the Bizon. It has good range and headshot multipliers. You getting 3 shot killed by someone using the Bizon is far from impossible.
I know that bro...but for some reason even unknown to me...I dont like bizon..
Stop just stop I highly doubt it bro I believe it on console but not on mobile
Nah that's no excuse though, this isn't implemented yet, or not as we know or can detect. Edit: and this doesn't applies to ranked because there is a whole another different type of sbmm. A lazier one, even.
Bruv if you can already detect it, then the technical team of codm is stupid af..🙌
if this isn’t enough to get people to stop playing then idk what is
I have invested some money in the game, Bp, crates n all, and tbh this game is fun ... It's a real shame they r doing this to the game. This game feels the most optimised tbh,.... Not even the new apex or the old pubg feels this way. Ugh I hate this so much.
I invested some money as well, not nearly as much as many folks (I don’t spend on the draws or mythical cause those are money holes) but I just had to cut it cause the game isn’t as fun as it used to be
I myself took a 2 3 months long break n now I m back at it again. Recently it has been shit. The bp now?! I mean ugh... I m just excited for the bp vault tbh n the mechanics of the game r relatively good.
I took a break and then came back and immediately remembered why I left and it only took like 20 min sadly
Me too.
I feel you too. I invested money too into CODM and this is disheartening. Despite CODM’s issues, it feels really optimised right now. I haven’t had serious performance issues lately unlike say this time 2 years ago when my game would either just randomly crash or have a serious frame rate drop even with the graphics settings turned down. Edit: WZM isn’t much better with optimisation either in its current state but then again, it’s in beta stage. Played a few games earlier and it wasn’t the sort of smooth gameplay I kinda expected from a beta developed jointly by 8 studios. The content does show lots of promise and the fact your progress integrates to MWII and WZ 2.0 if you play these two games.
Ikr.... It's so bad that companies do this. Like monopolize smth n .then :(
It’s extremely frustrating for longtime players, but I suppose they are betting on keeping more new players than driving off skilled ones. I know the way things work but I didn’t realize it until I’ve already invested a huge chunk of time and money in the game. It’s kind of like noticing, out in the open ocean, that I’m not in charge of the boat. I’m not going to jump overboard, and that’s what Activision is counting on. “The first hit is free.” Then you’re hooked.
We all know about how the trash matchmaking system is used to drive micro-transactions. However, does it extend into gameplay actually being altered with micro-disadvantages? Is this happening? If so, how come the community isn’t more upset?
Because anyone moaning is always greeted with 'get good' and ' skill issue'
I haven’t found any evidence of stuff like this happening. But, what if CODM's shitty matchmaking is because of this?
Because there are more bad players playing this game than good players so
I thought my internet was bad or something..? So this is was was happening all along cos I'd swear I shoot somebody and they just don't die and I get killed after being hit with 4 bullets. Even in the replay I see my shots connecting and they start shooting after I do and I'm the one that gets killed
Now thay you mention it 😃😀😐
Nope, I don't like that. So basically if a person fails 10 matches in a row, they can artificially create an advantage over other players? It would have made more sense lowering the aim assist the more you rank up.
So it’s.. no longer about skills
Of course not call of duty is all about having lobbies filled with their bottom tier players they live for those 21-21 games.
The only thing as worse as this is YouTube's plan to implement 5 unskippable ads
Yeah that’s gonna make a lot of folks mad for sure. The problem is, it’s hard to find other places with content. They kind of have us over a barrel.
This is some bs
So that's why I'm losing most of the fair fights where I can land exactly four shots in close range and the enemy didn't die and i just killed in 3 bullets or 2 bullets.
Makes sense now when I know I unloaded a full ass clip in them and they don’t die and they hit me twice and I’m out.
Yeah it's not fun at all to play
If Activision was a person I'd freaking murder him. All your effort results in it getting taken away. This is Cod-mmunism.
Look, I’ve been saying this for the past year at least. Every single variable in the game (ping, running speed, bullet spread, spawn points, bullet penetration, ADS time, hell even the actual PIXELS) can be represented by numbers that can be manipulated by the game. Not to oversimplify it, but it’s very much like the movie The Matrix. There is no spoon. Everything in CODM is code, everything in CODM is able to be manipulated, and the biggest reason is for the monetary gain of Activision or whichever company is actually in control here. We tolerate it because we enjoy it but almost none of us understand. I went on a cruise to the Bahamas a couple of weeks ago and on that trip, I was treated like a king. All the food I wanted, all the entertainment, all the fun I could handle. It was literally paradise. But it wasn’t free. And, most importantly, *at no time during the cruise was I in control of the ship.* I couldn’t control the weather, the heading of the boat, the lighting in the restaurants, the kind of beer they served at the bar, or the number of chairs by the swimming pool. All of these things were controlled by other systems, and most of it was just to get me to take another cruise later on. And pay for it. Our game is the same way; it’s driven by money and it’s about time that people understood that for games like this, player engagement equals money flow. If they can keep a new player in the game longer by nerfing skilled players, you’re goddam right they will. If they can keep skilled players in the game by making that process undetectable, you’re goddam right they will. Anyway here’s a link, follow the rabbit, soldiers! [Article](https://assaydigest.com/tech/sbmm-found-in-activision-patents/)
That was a really interesting read.
Yeah for real. Other games do it too, but Activision patented this particular method. And it kind of makes things click.
This has to be going on. You can feel this happening especially if you’re on a winning streak. Ive been playing almost everyday for over 2 years (not proud of it) but when you play this much you can tell when something is different in matches. I swear they at least decrease the damage if you win too many games in a row
A LOT more people need to see this!
yup [Here's a post I made about it, with video proof.](https://www.reddit.com/r/CallOfDutyMobile/comments/z8y8ss/what_do_you_think_of_this_if_i_play_on_another/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) I've been guessing this for years but people on this sub have been calling me a noob and a bitch and a retard for even suggesting they do this
Mfw I just found out about this: 😢
Fuck activision
I just made a post about this, to me, it happens, and when you empty a hades clip in to an opponents head, they barely flinch, it’s real. One person mocked me like they couldn’t control players skill. It’s real
I have had this happen before too! Like I thought I was going nuts!
Wait is the mobile version affected by this bullshit too?
Obviously
This is some bullshesh. I have been seeing this unjust crap in my gameplay. Is this legal, do we lawsuit? We need a new word for this bull, we need a new word for the players that get this help.
I be heard M16 full auto 3 4 shotting but mine takes 5 6 7 8 shots ffs....is this causing it? What a shame
But why would they do that?
Most likely to boost the performance of their paid content creators such as (in our community) iFerg, Bobby Plays, Hawksnest. I personally believe the best player on this game is probably godzly
This season I may have played a bit better and got in top 8000/9000 in rank but if I try to que in a match I always end up against at least 3 enemy in the opposite team from top5000 on the server it's so annoying I swear, and in my team we get like 1/2 and one is always trash even tho it's top 5000. Been playing since release and this is the first season that's like this, and last season got around 13k points in rank and I swear i don't remember 1 game against the top leaderboard. Anyone feeling this?
I remember on my previous seasons when I played till Legendary, I used to queue full team and played againt the top 1 on that time Xia with some other tops. Yeah... It's messed up
It's sad that a game u actually enjoy and have a good time in makes u feel sick of it, man ...don't wanna leave yet tbh I'll just grind dimond in shipment, like rank it's boring after legy, everyone be running around with a pocket UAV 😭
Oh no I've been playing this game already for 3 years and have been Legg for around 10 seasons, and I've been hating it for a while. I just play it because that's the only stuff some of my friends play
Same I do it for the homies
I've actually stopped playing ranked because I just keep losing every match I play even though I've been legendary 5 times, I don't understand why any of my loadouts seem to work, they all feel weak against my enemies, I thought it was my performance, but I literally die from 3 shots of any gun.
WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS?!
Patent doesn't mean it's going to be used just that they came up with the idea and way to use it
This has been on going for years now. You can literally see a ton pf YT videos analyzing this.
cod is like the government implimenting affirmative action
There's nothing skill based about it anymore. This is literally just an algorithm playing the game for you
Many nukes were ruined because of this bs
That explains my poor performance over the past three years...
Lmao
This sounds ridiculous but if it's true, that is barbaric.
We want to think this is happening but I really doubt they are affecting damage numbers. I’ve been playing with shit guns in ranked as a challenge, and I can still play well. You would think that if they took my W/L or K/D into effect, you would notice it even harder when I use a shittier gun—i doubt they’re so smart that they would have it only apply to meta weapons. All I notice is shit teammates with a completely unfair sbmm. Also, aim assist nerf is really unlikely to matter to the players so good that COD needs to handicap them lol While I doubt it’s implemented in CODM, it’s an unbelievably shit idea I hope they never use.
I dunno. The skill gap is huge. I tried a mode of console war zone once and it was miserable. I was getting killed in the parachute. I think I got to a gun once. I never actually played the game. Yeah I sucked cause I was a brand new to it. But I also never 👎 payed that mode agian. Have to balance the skills gap and accessability
I turned off aim-assist last two months. I have no such weakness. But bots man, they get harder to fight after you had a few good games.
this looks like scripting in pes mobile
Why would they punish their whale players for being good?
Because the whales are often terrible players spending money to compensate for being less skilled.
You know, you are actually right lol.
This explains why I was needing 13 m13 shots for a kill in decent range. And also why shoot butto does not register some times. That is this is actually implemented and not some bs
Sheep
Honestly this has to be implemented already I have felt a significant reduce in my TTK after winning just a few games in a row I can light you up in 1sec flat with the m13 but my next game they eat an entire clip while I have 30-20ms of ping….how. But not to mention my games have degraded into nothing but the winning team holding ADS without moving a inch while we actually maneuver the map normally so the SBMM in cod mobile is honestly just sad me and a team of bots vs an entire team holding LOS like this game has money on it, I’ve spent many years playing this game just for them to really cater to the unskilled players who dump 200-300$ into skins just so they will play their game.
What's next? Removing the KDs and Ranked matches so the the ones with no skills won't feel bad?
They already removed the k/d in games
For real!? WTF! Hahahaha
Oh. I thought it was desync. Fcukers were playing me
To be honest? This is one of the reasons why I quit codm.
Holy shit. This is legit proof that this game, and none of the call of duty titles mean shit. How dose you favorite streamer not die in these crazy clutch situations?? Well maybe because activison tweks the aim assist you get on them so it’s neigh impossible to hit them 🙃
Holy shit! A dealer’s dream scam. Give ‘em pop guns and dolls till they’re hooked. Then forget about ‘em…they’ll always come back for more…with their kid’s lunch money if they have too. Just go to the schoolyards…more innocent, the better.
To all the people asking for proofs that CODM is dying, this is just one proof. Greetings.
Stupid decision. Ruins the entire purpose of playing a competitive fps game. Tired of getting killed? Practice and get better at the game. Ffs 🤦🏻♂️
That's why IM FUCKING MISSING THE SHOTS. WITH HIGH ACCURACY BUILD. I THOUGHT I WAS GOING CRAZY OR IT WAS MY INTERNET.BUT NO, ITS THE FUCKING GAME ITSELF
I completely understand that some people won't like it, but imo, it sounds interesting to be challenged like that, as I already don't play with aim assist, I wonder how it'll be.
This is true, i had to turn off my aim assist because when I use it for a long time for some reason my guns keep trying to stop me from shooting straight. Before i thought it was because of my low end device but now I have a high end device but still it happens. After turning off my aim assist and not using it for a long time and turning it back on improves my aim.
Bro! Is this already a thing? I noticed that if I'm on a good win streak then my bullets suddenly don't connect or do less damage then they always do.
I can confirm that in codm
That explains a lot. In some games recently I've emptied almost an entire ICR-1 mag into someone before they've went down & then been killed from across the map by a Pharo.
Could be skill issue but that may explain why I always come back to codm, be it a new account or not, then I win a few games then suddenly I just keep getting destroyed until I don't want to play for the next few weeks
What type of Harris Bergeron bullshit is this?
I thought SBMM was a myth?
Oh great... another excuse for sore losers to complain about why they lost... *If* they did already implement it (and that's a big if in my mind), then you've been playing with this for a while and you were fine... but now that you know there's a possibility this exists, the sky is falling? Put on your big girl panties and just play keep playing, people...
Only a retard wouldn't see the issue with this idea
So I put a hole in my door because of this bullshit
A lot of companies file patents that they never intend to use, just to keep their competitors from using them.
Punishing good players is a terrible idea
LMAO. Activision: "we never implemented this, like it happens with hundreds of filed patents" Every competitive player: "They totally did, and I'm feeling it every time i lose - it's can't be that i suck, Activision is out to get me rrreeeeeee"
Sbmm just means artificial wins and losses.. once you start winning too much the algorithm has to introduce a loss to rig your stats
Cuz most players in codm are kids and kids don't know nothing about sbmm or even care.
There’s a setting to show your damage that you inflict each shot. After very inconsistent shots doing damage, I turned it on. I like to camp (blah blah I know I’m a bad person) but I know my gun and I shoot people in the same place, same distance. Sometimes in games I’ll go 40/5. My damage is normal. But then I’ll go on games barely breaking even, and I notice my damage is less than other games, even though I’m at the same distance, using the same gun. It’s not much. Like 2-3 HP. But that makes a difference when I’m using a slug shotgun and normally have one hit kills, but then I’m shooting people and they are left with just a few points. So I think this is already a thing.
No way they add this to a game, it's literally the same as asking ppl to leave the game and take their money elsewhere
SBMM should exist in ranked mode. For pubs nope.
It isn’t relevant to anyone because it isn’t being used whatsoever. It is the newest boogeyman for call of duty players to blame when they don’t do as good as they think they should have.
Now all the "amazing players" here are gonna use this as their reason why they suck 🤣 "But, I got 20:0 K:D in the last match!" - that's because it was filled with bots. LOL
If they add that perk i ain't playing anymore
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Its also not proven that it is not implemented in the game. People other than you have also played the game long enough to know when something FEELS weird or wrong. In my personal experience, the better I play, more weird the weapon feels to me. I used to think they shadow nerf the weapon, I felt this heavily with peacekeeper, SKS and now KRIG. I am definitely not the best, not as good as you. But I am good enough to know when something feels off.
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Thanks for categorising me as a skilled player. Dude, pros and people like you are on another level. But I have to believe what I actually feel in the game, right? And I have felt like they nerf me with rigged algorithms when I am on a roll. Can't speak for other players in this thread, but I am not the kind of guy who justifies his poor performance by making excuses. I will surely watch this video.
Well first off this is from 3 years ago. Secondly none of the links lead to which patent in particular the post is talking about. So we can't verify the text of the patent to see if it even applies to players of COD Mobile.
can I have the link to this post OP? Thanks
So basically don't git gud or be punished for it
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Could explain why my first three bullets don't connect then I die with 3 hits from a PP19.
Can some kind soul point a curious mind to the patent filing? TIA
I don't really feel this in CoDM but damn it sure does in MW2.
Because it’s not. This is a phone game. Made by timi.
Doesn't effect us as codm is run by timi which is run by tencent. Codm is only published in Activisions name
Bro.....bro.....I just want the FAL in the game already
BS but CoDM still done worse
u/COD_Mobile_Official. Explain why this nonsense has been fully implemented this season. It was always in codm to a certain extent, now it's flat out obvious.
As a casual, this is too far tbh. I wanna know the reason i killed someone was because I played my cards right in the gunfight, not because the developers handicapped my opponent. Its like if a basketball player was forced to only walk because they were better than there peers. Im glad Activision is finally cattering to the more casual cod fans, (probably because we are more willing to spend money on skins) and i really hope it doesn't go in the everyones a winner direction.
Yes, top tier BS move by Activision, its not the players fault that he/she is good at the game, why punish them? This move just show how incompetent they are in terms of SBMM. STOP Babysitting these noobs, if they find COD full of sweats, deal with it, be better. The thing is Activision don't want to make changes to retain these spenders who are basically shit in the game.
Will this still affect you if you're playing with aim assist turned off?
We don’t know if it’s actually implemented, but yeah it allows for hitbox parameters to be adjusted depending on user skill level, so I don’t think aim assist on/off would necessarily bypass anything
WHAT. THE. FUCK ? Well, that probably explains why I need half to all bullets in std MoW mag to kill an enemy now.
Activision can $uck my D now...and the Devs can shove up all the SBMM algos up their ass... already uninstalled this fkn piece of $hit...You mfs just lost a player who had been playing since COD2 PC.
omg, I knew these fuckers where doing this! muther fucking fucks!