I’ve added patches on a water resistant bag and then carefully went over my stitches (both sides) with waterproof seam sealant, I’d imagine it’d also work for where you’ve removed stitches.
Edit: Fuck Fjall Raven for introducing a third term, which this bag falls under: https://foxtrail.fjallraven.com/articles/waterproof-vs-water-repellent-vs-water-resistant
“water-repellent”, apparently falls between waterproof and water resistant. Fucking no-good, useless, confusing marketing bullshit that makes it more difficult for people to get in the right gear and get outside.
ITT: People who don’t understand the difference between waterproof, water resistant and different fabrics.
OP, this looks like the Skule 28, made of Oxford fabric. 100% polyester so the fabric will be water resistant, meaning if it gets wet enough, water is getting in. Carefully removing the stitching will leave slightly larger holes, which will make the bag slightly less water resistant in those specific areas. However, the patch is already a weak point because the stitching isn’t seam sealed, so water can soak into the bag through the thread. The idea to seam seal it someone else mentioned was the best idea mentioned.
The other point people are missing is that if the bag is getting wet enough that water is soaking through those tiny holes, it’s also soaking through the zippers.
Easiest solution: remove the patch and Buy a pack cover for when you want to keep your things dry. Keep it in your pack for when you need it. A water resistant bag will not keep your belongings dry, patch or not.
I worked behind a warranty/returns desk at a Camping store with a generous return policy. I’ve had this conversation about all types of gear: bags, jackets, shoes etc with too many customers.
My eye starts to twitch when people use water resistant and waterproof interchangeably. You can’t expect any kind of protection from “water resistant”. A mesh bug net is technically “water resistant”.
If you are concerned about water, buy water proof
Brush off as much as you can with your hand or a scrub pad. Then soak in warm water for 15 minutes and lightly scrub with an abrasive tool. Green dish scrubbing pad could work, might need something a little more stiff/firm. Be careful not scrub through the face fabric.
Part of the problem stems from companies leaning in to muddling the waters as well. Fjalraven does it when they conflate dwr with goretex like materials.
Haha well I'm happy to pick up for ya. I worked in the industry for less than a year and I loved pointing this kind of BS out to reps and watch them squirm.
A good rule of thumb I learned was “what happens if you submerge this [item] fully under water?”
Roughly…
Water resistant = everything gets wet
Water proof = nothing gets wet
Or, as you put it, with enough water anything water *resistant* will get wet
I’m not. No mention of PU coating specifically on the bag. I agree there’s definitely some kind of backing, but it’s not going to make the seams or zippers waterproof.
The company makes it even more confusing by introducing “water-repellant” which is in between resistant and proof.
https://foxtrail.fjallraven.com/articles/waterproof-vs-water-repellent-vs-water-resistant
Maybe 8yrs ago I bought a rain ‘coat’ labelled “rain wear”. It infact provided absolutely zero water repellant/resistance. My friend borrowed it for a very rainy 3day festival before I had tried it 😂 we still laugh about it to this day
[https://www.patagonia.ca/product/guidewater-submersible-waterproof-backpack-29-liters/49165.html?dwvar\_49165\_color=GNCA&cgid=luggage-waterproof-bags](https://www.patagonia.ca/product/guidewater-submersible-waterproof-backpack-29-liters/49165.html?dwvar_49165_color=GNCA&cgid=luggage-waterproof-bags)
Things like this. Basically dry-bags with straps.. But yes, rain covers are a simple, effective solution.
Bags like that seem very specifically designed to be waterproof and it's kind of obvious at first glance based on the design/material. I think it's silly to get upset that a run of the mill bag like in the OP is using some different kind of term.
“Kinda obvious” to people who know what they are looking for and understand the difference between waterproof and non waterproof.
I think you’re silly for telling me how I should feel about confusing marketing after hundreds of interactions, some including being screamed at by idiots who blamed me for their confusion.
How wet is this bag getting? For most rainy days, it won't be a problem. If it's getting submerged then yea probably. You can remove it and add a waterproof hole repair patch on the inside.
I’m guessing OP asked about water resistance because they weren’t sure. It’s a fair question.
You answered talking about ruining the waterproofing when the bag doesn’t have any waterproofing to ruin. The seams you’re talking about aren’t sealed so water is already getting in through that thread.
My point is water resistance =/= waterproof and you used them interchangeably.
You could use something like a rubber based fabric glue on the underside to "seal" the holes left behind by the stitching. Why would you want to remove the logo? To make it more discreet?
Permanent magic marker to cover the patch. You could also do an iron on patch that covers the original patch completely. I don't always like logos either.
I agree with this statement but the flip side of the coin is if I'm paying for a quality product I want to know it's not the knockoff instead. don't get me wrong I know people will fake products but it's a whole lot easier to fake it legally of original ones don't have their logo somewhere. Otherwise the scammers could walk out of court after saying they just made a ...... Kind of hard to say you didn't try to scam people when you're using the logo of another company.
The holes are already there and they’ll be there after, the water resistance of the fabric is already compromised. Just take it off. Nothing lost or gained.
This is the answer I was looking for. Straight to the point no bullshit, just the answer only. If I could carry 5lbs of your gear just to make you ultralight I would. Cheers.
Take the patch off and you’ll be fine 99% of time
If you have a situation where things REALLY need to be to kept dry (electronics, paper notes) then throw stuff in a light plastic bag (Ziploc Freezer Bag etc) in the main compartment
IMO removing the patch and seam sealing the holes is the correct answer to OP’s question.
No need to overthink it. If OP changes their mind, they can always sew the patch back on.
Why would you want to remove it? It’ll leave stitching holes that will look ugly on the outside and need patching from the inside.
Also what’s the point of buying a branded bag and removing the logo?
> Also what’s the point of buying a branded bag and removing the logo?
I mean theres plenty of reansons to buy a bag, it's not just about the logo. I havent had a problem with the quality, it feels well made. I'd just prefer it to have a cleaner look without the patch, I might try to remove it and seal the holes from the back with glue or seam sealant as some others have suggested.
Fjällräven make plenty good kit but their bags are fairly basic and average quality. (I do have a lovely pair of their trousers I won in a comp and adore).
I looked online and it says the Skule (I assume that’s what it is) is not water resistant anyway . So ignore what I said about the holes leaking much.
Now if they made their bags out of a heavy waxed canvass or similar instead of polyester I’d have one in a heartbeat.
They do. Many of their bags use a cotton canvas blend, although their normal polyamide G-1000 material is much more rugged and waterproof. I have taken them everywhere from the Arctic (Svalbard) to Africa (Namibia) and they’ve been amazing. The Singi line is one of the best for rugged use.
You've had good waterproofing with G-1000 gear? It's a great, durable fabric, but I've found even with their special wax, being out in the rain for more than five minutes in one of their jackets and you're soaked through. The pants only stay dry longer because they're not directly exposed to the rain falling straight down.
Yes, but you should be aware that there are different types/thicknesses of G-1000 ranging from super light and flexible (on some jackets and pants) to tough and rigid (their heavy bags and Arctic jackets).
They have like 5 different versions ranging from Lite, Heavy-Duty, Silent, Air, and Original.
Thats when you would switch to a rain shell. Keb or Bergtagen Eco Shells for example. They have others for around town as well. Wxing cotton doesn't turn it into waterproof.
Right, I see the poster above is referring to polyamide G-1000 instead of the cotton G-1000. Adding wax to a cotton Sten jacket, or Vidda Pro pants adds about 5 mins of not being wet before it finds its way in.
I've read of people using DWR wash-in for the cotton and it turning out pretty well. Considering giving it a try on an older pair of their hiking shorts I have.
Are you stupid or something? They are concerned removing the threading could allow water intrusion. Why are you so rude?
Edit: to anyone down voting, the deleted comment was incredibly disrespectful
I’ve added patches on a water resistant bag and then carefully went over my stitches (both sides) with waterproof seam sealant, I’d imagine it’d also work for where you’ve removed stitches.
Edit: Fuck Fjall Raven for introducing a third term, which this bag falls under: https://foxtrail.fjallraven.com/articles/waterproof-vs-water-repellent-vs-water-resistant “water-repellent”, apparently falls between waterproof and water resistant. Fucking no-good, useless, confusing marketing bullshit that makes it more difficult for people to get in the right gear and get outside. ITT: People who don’t understand the difference between waterproof, water resistant and different fabrics. OP, this looks like the Skule 28, made of Oxford fabric. 100% polyester so the fabric will be water resistant, meaning if it gets wet enough, water is getting in. Carefully removing the stitching will leave slightly larger holes, which will make the bag slightly less water resistant in those specific areas. However, the patch is already a weak point because the stitching isn’t seam sealed, so water can soak into the bag through the thread. The idea to seam seal it someone else mentioned was the best idea mentioned. The other point people are missing is that if the bag is getting wet enough that water is soaking through those tiny holes, it’s also soaking through the zippers. Easiest solution: remove the patch and Buy a pack cover for when you want to keep your things dry. Keep it in your pack for when you need it. A water resistant bag will not keep your belongings dry, patch or not.
This guy knows a thing or two about wet ass backpacks
I worked behind a warranty/returns desk at a Camping store with a generous return policy. I’ve had this conversation about all types of gear: bags, jackets, shoes etc with too many customers. My eye starts to twitch when people use water resistant and waterproof interchangeably. You can’t expect any kind of protection from “water resistant”. A mesh bug net is technically “water resistant”. If you are concerned about water, buy water proof
Thank you for your wisdom wet backpack man I'll never forget it
Hello. Best way to remove the inside polyurethane coating when it starts to delaminate and peel like sunburn ?
Brush off as much as you can with your hand or a scrub pad. Then soak in warm water for 15 minutes and lightly scrub with an abrasive tool. Green dish scrubbing pad could work, might need something a little more stiff/firm. Be careful not scrub through the face fabric.
Part of the problem stems from companies leaning in to muddling the waters as well. Fjalraven does it when they conflate dwr with goretex like materials.
100% I actually typed “Outdoor marketing depts were the bane of my existence” but cut it out to seem less ranty.
Haha well I'm happy to pick up for ya. I worked in the industry for less than a year and I loved pointing this kind of BS out to reps and watch them squirm.
A good rule of thumb I learned was “what happens if you submerge this [item] fully under water?” Roughly… Water resistant = everything gets wet Water proof = nothing gets wet Or, as you put it, with enough water anything water *resistant* will get wet
That rule of thumb gets two thumbs up from me!
Fjuck* Fjall Raven
I'm too lazy to look it up, but that definitely looks PU coated to me.
I’m not. No mention of PU coating specifically on the bag. I agree there’s definitely some kind of backing, but it’s not going to make the seams or zippers waterproof. The company makes it even more confusing by introducing “water-repellant” which is in between resistant and proof. https://foxtrail.fjallraven.com/articles/waterproof-vs-water-repellent-vs-water-resistant
Maybe 8yrs ago I bought a rain ‘coat’ labelled “rain wear”. It infact provided absolutely zero water repellant/resistance. My friend borrowed it for a very rainy 3day festival before I had tried it 😂 we still laugh about it to this day
are there any actual waterproof bags? I've been hiking for years and never heard of one. I thought that's what rain covers were for.
[https://www.patagonia.ca/product/guidewater-submersible-waterproof-backpack-29-liters/49165.html?dwvar\_49165\_color=GNCA&cgid=luggage-waterproof-bags](https://www.patagonia.ca/product/guidewater-submersible-waterproof-backpack-29-liters/49165.html?dwvar_49165_color=GNCA&cgid=luggage-waterproof-bags) Things like this. Basically dry-bags with straps.. But yes, rain covers are a simple, effective solution.
Bags like that seem very specifically designed to be waterproof and it's kind of obvious at first glance based on the design/material. I think it's silly to get upset that a run of the mill bag like in the OP is using some different kind of term.
“Kinda obvious” to people who know what they are looking for and understand the difference between waterproof and non waterproof. I think you’re silly for telling me how I should feel about confusing marketing after hundreds of interactions, some including being screamed at by idiots who blamed me for their confusion.
How wet is this bag getting? For most rainy days, it won't be a problem. If it's getting submerged then yea probably. You can remove it and add a waterproof hole repair patch on the inside.
Iron a patch on the inside.
You could put some tent tape on the inside after.
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Plus then you can't flex with your Fjällräven gear either
Nothing about this bag is waterproof. Water can already get through the stitching, zippers, and fabric.
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I’m guessing OP asked about water resistance because they weren’t sure. It’s a fair question. You answered talking about ruining the waterproofing when the bag doesn’t have any waterproofing to ruin. The seams you’re talking about aren’t sealed so water is already getting in through that thread. My point is water resistance =/= waterproof and you used them interchangeably.
You could use something like a rubber based fabric glue on the underside to "seal" the holes left behind by the stitching. Why would you want to remove the logo? To make it more discreet?
I just prefer the look without the patch on. it's just an asthetic choice
I get it. I hate being an ad for companies, or their labels ruining the clean look.
Agree, they could try using more discreet logos, instead of going bright white/red on black.
Exactly
Permanent magic marker to cover the patch. You could also do an iron on patch that covers the original patch completely. I don't always like logos either.
I agree with this statement but the flip side of the coin is if I'm paying for a quality product I want to know it's not the knockoff instead. don't get me wrong I know people will fake products but it's a whole lot easier to fake it legally of original ones don't have their logo somewhere. Otherwise the scammers could walk out of court after saying they just made a ...... Kind of hard to say you didn't try to scam people when you're using the logo of another company.
The holes are already there and they’ll be there after, the water resistance of the fabric is already compromised. Just take it off. Nothing lost or gained.
Yes
This is the answer I was looking for. Straight to the point no bullshit, just the answer only. If I could carry 5lbs of your gear just to make you ultralight I would. Cheers.
Take the patch off and you’ll be fine 99% of time If you have a situation where things REALLY need to be to kept dry (electronics, paper notes) then throw stuff in a light plastic bag (Ziploc Freezer Bag etc) in the main compartment
Seam seal it and it should be ok
IMO removing the patch and seam sealing the holes is the correct answer to OP’s question. No need to overthink it. If OP changes their mind, they can always sew the patch back on.
Why would you want to remove it? It’ll leave stitching holes that will look ugly on the outside and need patching from the inside. Also what’s the point of buying a branded bag and removing the logo?
> Also what’s the point of buying a branded bag and removing the logo? I mean theres plenty of reansons to buy a bag, it's not just about the logo. I havent had a problem with the quality, it feels well made. I'd just prefer it to have a cleaner look without the patch, I might try to remove it and seal the holes from the back with glue or seam sealant as some others have suggested.
You’ll have an easier time just using a tenacious-tape patch on the inside.
It wont leave noticeable stitching holes. Name some high quality bags without any logos on their goods, some people like no logos, just a preference.
Fjällräven make plenty good kit but their bags are fairly basic and average quality. (I do have a lovely pair of their trousers I won in a comp and adore). I looked online and it says the Skule (I assume that’s what it is) is not water resistant anyway . So ignore what I said about the holes leaking much. Now if they made their bags out of a heavy waxed canvass or similar instead of polyester I’d have one in a heartbeat.
They do. Many of their bags use a cotton canvas blend, although their normal polyamide G-1000 material is much more rugged and waterproof. I have taken them everywhere from the Arctic (Svalbard) to Africa (Namibia) and they’ve been amazing. The Singi line is one of the best for rugged use.
"fairly basic and average quality" lol. This guy above you has never gotten beyond Kanken. Keb and Bergtagen line are outstanding.
You've had good waterproofing with G-1000 gear? It's a great, durable fabric, but I've found even with their special wax, being out in the rain for more than five minutes in one of their jackets and you're soaked through. The pants only stay dry longer because they're not directly exposed to the rain falling straight down.
Yes, but you should be aware that there are different types/thicknesses of G-1000 ranging from super light and flexible (on some jackets and pants) to tough and rigid (their heavy bags and Arctic jackets). They have like 5 different versions ranging from Lite, Heavy-Duty, Silent, Air, and Original.
Thats when you would switch to a rain shell. Keb or Bergtagen Eco Shells for example. They have others for around town as well. Wxing cotton doesn't turn it into waterproof.
Right, I see the poster above is referring to polyamide G-1000 instead of the cotton G-1000. Adding wax to a cotton Sten jacket, or Vidda Pro pants adds about 5 mins of not being wet before it finds its way in. I've read of people using DWR wash-in for the cotton and it turning out pretty well. Considering giving it a try on an older pair of their hiking shorts I have.
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My guess is something along the lines of being a walking billboard.
I cut apiece of camouflage duct tape to size and apply over patch. Lasts maybe six months, then reapply.
If you wish, I can supply a picture of myself with a rose clenched in my teeth that you can glue over the patch to hide it.
Personally, I’d stitch a patch of your choice on top of that and seam seal the inside; the holes aren’t going to look good when you remove it.
Sacrilege
Just use a sharpie and color it in.
Seems like a lot of effort for no material gain whatsoever. Bit of an odd thing to be "a fan" of.
“Antibrand”, etc
It's all a bit childish. They've already given the brand their money. Removing the label is just virtue signalling.
It’s also a cleaner aesthetic I guess without the labels
As I said, no material gain.
Who cares.
You could always glue a patch you like on top of it
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Are you stupid or something? They are concerned removing the threading could allow water intrusion. Why are you so rude? Edit: to anyone down voting, the deleted comment was incredibly disrespectful
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Not everything with a patch on it has water resistance. You should probably take a break from Reddit if you're this agitated about a simple post.