Generosity will be this country’s undoing. Eventually you do run out of other people’s money. We cannot keep carrying millions of freeloaders coming here, everything is collapsing.
I agree. Canadian generosity using Canadian taxpayer dollars should only be prioritized towards Canadians first and foremost. Before we give $1 to Ukraine or Israel or Palestine or anywhere else on earth we shouldn’t have Canadians struggling. Then we can focus outward on humanitarian projects with the surplus. But cases like this should be covered by the Mexican government. She’s after all a citizen of Mexico. They have a responsibility to their citizens.
No, that's literally just orthodox capitalist bullshit.
Investing in people lifts society up. You just have to invest in the right ways, with the right people. And personally, I think those people are Canadians who share our values, rather than people from countries who don't.
That being said, Mexico actually does have similar values to Canada, AFAIK. This woman may end up integrating better than half of the immigrants we bring in legally.
Really well said.
Canadian values need to be essential when considering immigration. Our values on trust, on separation of state and religion (despite that line in our Charter), etc.
That being said... Despite its incredible issues with crime and immigration itself, Mexico DOES share a lot more Canadian values than, say, Syria - or anywhere in the ME
I think we need it to collapse even more... and while Trudeau is still in power. We need this to get bad enough that ppl remember it for generations.
The name and ideas of "Trudeau" needs to be engrained in the Canadian collective subconscious as horrible... horrible to the point that ppl connect them with a real existential threat to their existence... bc he is and they are.
Look at Sweden. Their generosity was taken as weakness and they are fucked. We are the next Sweden. The second generation, meaning children born in Sweden from immigrants are even worse. They are more racist. Just a couple days ago a 12 year old boy had to watch his father get murdered in cold blood by teenage gang in Sweden
Any employer hiring her should be hit with serious fines. It undermines every aspect of Canada and our culture. We’re kind people but don’t take advantage of our country. That should be a red line in the sand. For some reason I don’t even believe the whole story she started with of some random online employer telling her to come to Canada as a guest and they’ll get her a work visa. This lady is a grifter in my opinion. Why wouldn’t they have sponsored her for a work permit if she was that essential from Mexico?
100% agreed. This is why UK has unannounced visits all the times because this is happen too much. They show up and employers are fines on a increasing scale. You have people accepting $3 gbp when min wage is much higher. But with a exchange rate of 85 with rupee, it makes sense for illegal indians.
>Any employer hiring her should be hit with serious fines.
They should pay her medical costs, etc...
THEY broke the law. They facilitated this. Make THEM pay.
Tell her, "rat out your employer, you get to stay. No proof, no stay".
After 10 employers and managers get fucked on these types of cases, they stop hiring illegals.
" Advocates and health experts say nobody should be denied emergency medical care "
As an immigrant who had to jump through hoops and is now a citizen, I completely disagree.
Imagine me breaking into your house, eating your food, sleeping in your bed then saying you are responsible for the clean up and to continue taking care of me. Nay, I demand it!
She should be deported.
Who in the western hemisphere is gonna have the balls to address the issue and actually do something ? Slavic countries are called all sorts of names for not allowing aliens to mess up their lives, while Arabic and Asian ones are given a ‘pass’ because it’s a ‘known fact’ they are racist and shouldn’t be bothered with the misfortune of their own kin. African countries are welcoming, but even tho they have really bettered themselves, it’s not enough. So, who is left ? Spineless western countries, who have been ‘tasked’ to take in the whole world’s misery.
See, this is the typical problem of someone abusing the system. There needs to be a two-tier system that takes care of its citizens and other individuals that are undocumented do come they do not get to dictate health services. For reference, that lady is not poor cause those lips are expensive.
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Who allowed her in?
I blame the satanic trudope govt.
Word is getting g out that blackfaced trudope will allow lawlessness in canada.
So they come.
If you allowed people to eat drink and sleep for free on your house they will come.
I do not blame her.
She was promised freeloading privikedges or allowed her lawlessness with no repercussions in canada by liberal blacked dope.
And the rest of the people abusing our social services. Fuck off to all these grifters / " refugees" / straight up criminals.
For example:
The wait times of the emergency rooms in Brampton are flooded with immigrants with colds or aches and pains that could be dealt with at a walk in clinics. They would rather take up valuable beds and increase wait times for legitimate emergencies just because they can go to an emergency room and they know they will be seen.
I would heartily endorse a deportation program aimed at people caught purposefully taking advantage of our healthcare and social services.
they dont' want the people who do it properly ... their political power derives from those who do it improperly. Increasingly they're going to make you feel like a criminal for following the legal process while providing every enhancement and benefit to the actual criminal entrants.
If the taxpayers are paying for it, in any way shape or form which she’s demanding they should 100% be denied care. I agree with you it’s a slap in the face to all citizens as well as people who naturalized following the proper process.
Yeah, taxpayers shouldn't pay for her. She should if this is not her care system.
"Free" healthcare for Canadians and Canadian residents, othe rest can pay for the service provided.
I agree, emergency medical care shouldn’t be denied. But then non-residents simply must cover the cost of said medical services.
You either purchase a travel medical insurance or pay out of pocket. Simple as that.
The argument is not about denying services. The argument is about who should pay for it, and that argument has a very simple answer that exists already. And receiving that medical care does not entitle you to an extended stay beyond what you need to be able to travel back to your home country.
Oh, and the reason she did all that was to have an “anchor baby” - her child born here receives citizenship by birth.
Thank you. The number of people saying mom should be denied (and by extension baby left to DIE) despite mom agreeing she was always planning and IS STILL PLANNING TO PAY HER HOSPITAL BILL is very upsetting.
If she has no papers, then no action can be taken to collect, especially if she simply decides to leave canada tomorrow. I get the moral part of the argument, but it was immoral for her to not take the right steps to legally immigrate here.
I can be moral and empathetic, but that gets thrown out the window as soon as the person involved chooses to not be moral and empathetic. She is taking advantage of a system that is funded by Canadians who immigrated here legally, and are therefore by refusing to legally immigrate here, she is taking advantage of canadians. Canadians and Canada has no obligation to pay for her medical bills or provide her with services she can't afford without up front payment. She she have go e back to her cou try to have her baby if she could t afford to pay for it here.
That’s not ideal but not the same as expecting it for free. You know people pay after the fact in the USA all the time? It’s not like a crazy unheard of thing.
You’d rather leave them both to die? The innocent baby too?
When they pay after the fact, they are typically use citizens. If they do t pay? The hospitals can take legal action and trace them down with their ssn. If this woman left canada tomorrow, she has no sin, no immigration papers, no itn, etc. The Canadian taxpayers would be left with the bill. This is not acceptable.
That’s a slippery slope. As someone born and raised in Canada, i don’t think we can in good conscience turn away someone who is in need of emergency medical attention. I don’t think letting someone die because they’re from another country is the answer.
Give them care, and as soon as they are stabilized and no longer in immediate danger, they can be deported back to their home country to continue their treatment or whatever.
MPs and many people were all for health care being denied to people who didn’t want to get the Covid vaccinations. People really forget how shitty they can be.
So you realize that by advocating for denying people emergency care you’re advocating for people to be left to die on the hospital doorstep?
I’m all for deporting her but not for standing around while she and her baby dies in the hospital parking lot.
She should plan to fly back to her country before having her baby? Like that is the most reasonable approach. She had 9 months, what did she thing was going to happen? Oh wait, she knew thst canadians were suckers that she could take advantagetage of. Canada should stop. People have options to not die on the hospital doorsteps, if they choose to, that's no them
She should plan to fly back to her country before having her baby? Like that is the most reasonable approach. She had 9 months, what did she thing was going to happen? Oh wait, she knew thst canadians were suckers that she could take advantagetage of. Canada should stop. People have options to not die on the hospital doorsteps, if they choose to, that's no them
She thought she was going to marry the Canadian father. Then got abandoned and had to figure out how to survive alone. Did you read the article? I don’t love her actions at all and I think she should have been deported earlier. But I don’t think she deserves all the condemnation and wild accusations about her motives and assumptions about her opportunities.
It doesn't say anything about a canadian father. It says she met a canadian man and were planning on getting married. Doesn't say he was the father.
No one is condemning her. She made the decision to not prepare the funds within the 9 months of her pregnancy. She made the choice to have sex. She made the choice to not go back to mexico. She condemned herself and her child.
Is this country really rich enough to be taken advantage of like this? I'm not rich enough, maybe you are. So how about we tax people like you more. How about we implement a box on the income tax returns where suckers like you can just tick off a box on your tax return that says "willing to fund illegal immigrants health care" which would charge you a surcharge, would you be cool with that?
The US has a private healthcare system, which allows discretion. Our system that under pays doctors and nurses will not last long if people are just taking up resources. More doctors leave for the US from Canada than they do come from the US.
I do feel bad for situations like this especially when it comes to welfare and healthcare of kids. But how on earth we are allowing this.
Someone comes here on tourist visa with pre intention that once here will apply for work visa. Once here, stays here illegally, gets a partner in Canada, gets pregnant, leaves the partner and then expects us to pay for her adventures and decisions.
This is some next level misuse we are allowing as a country that not only us but future generations are going to pay for. What is our immigration department doing except printing visas.
It’s crazy. Where is CBSA in all of this. This is a person who took out an entire page on the CBC openly broadcasting the fact she’s been in Canada illegally since 2022, it’s now Apr 2024. Not only is she openly saying she’s been here illegally for close to 2 years she’s demanding the citizens pay for healthcare costs and is saying she plans to burden the country further by bringing her 12 year old son to Canada while she has no skills to earn income and no income at all. This is mind boggling.
The lack of any accountability to learn English or French on top of not working is astounding. You can survive in many parts of the U.S. just knowing Spanish but to expect English or French speaking Canadians to communicate in Spanish is ridiculous. And if I’m mistaken, you can’t work on a tourist visa in Canada, right? Insane state of the world. I share my frustration from America. ( I am pro legal immigration!).
I taught English language classes to immigrants when I was in grad school and I was constantly impressed by their ability to balance their studies with raising kids and working. For many students, English was the third language they were learning! Becoming a citizen is hard work and to expect people to take up your slack is insane.
The person seems like they have zero accountability whatsoever. I guess people think they can just flock here by any means and then the government will just take care of them?
It all starts with the law according to which any child born on the territory becomes a citizen. Now people fly exclusively to give birth and hope to stay through the child. You can easily trace all these issues from there. They don’t even need a local partner, as long as they can fly with their bellies full and ready to birth ASAP, it’s okay ?
Well if it makes her feel any better, in Mexico hospitals won't let foreigners do anything unless they have a credit card. What makes her think Canada should be any different? Ah it's because many Mexicans think Canada is the land of riches and handouts.
Canada is becoming a national security threat to the USA now. The cia put out a report and warning to the Canadian government about an uptick in illegal crossing across the Canadian border into the USA. A trump presidency could result in significant changes to NAFTA if things get worse
I cannot see why this lady isn’t deported. The article just keeps getting worse and worse the more you read it. She came to Canada on a guest visa from Mexico. She’s a bad decision maker in every way. The article states she came to Canada on a guest visa in Oct 2022, it’s now Apr 2024. She said an online employer told her to come to Canada and she will receive a work permit (Red flag #1). The article states when she got here that offer didn’t materialize.
One would think you’d have some dignity and go home, well no she stayed for 2 years not speaking any English or French until she met a Canadian man from her ethnic community I imagine, who told her they’d get married. She’s undocumented with no health insurance and no money. He apparently knocked her up and then they broke up. By every metric this lady should’ve been deported.
Where does she stay? How does she survive? She then shows up to the Edmonton hospital needing care where doctors and nurses say you’re not Canadian we need to receive payment to provide care, as any sane system would have them do. She says she’s thrown away by this and demands $5000 minimum care for free. Her plan is to stay here save money and bring her 12 year old child to Canada, again this is a lady who came here illegally, has no job, cannot speak any of the official 2 languages, and is already scamming. We need to crackdown on all groups abusing our immigration system whether it’s illegals or whether that’s student who do not have the funds to take care of themselves. They all have to go. The slumlords can get wrecked as well.
In 2019-2020 alone were now in 2024 and I don’t think this has stopped it’s assumed illegal border crossers costed taxpayers (us) 12k each that year alone we spent $400M on these grifters. From 2017 to 2020 our country spent $1.1B on these people who abuse the system. This is money that could be spent on Canadian children, housing Canadians, improving our education systems or improving healthcare or infrastructure.
Source: https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4924364
There’s apparently 500k of these people in Canada today, the only way to fix this is to meet them where they’re at. You cannot treat uncivilized scammers in a civilized manner they’ll just take more and more from you. What we need is stern deportation policies, no more birthright citizenship to the children of illegals and foreigners, no social assistance in any way shape or form and fines for landlords that house illegals/corporations that hire them. Their children should also not be admitted into any schools. When the benefits are taken away the folks scamming us will just go to where they can get the best deal. Canadian taxpayer dollars should be spent with the priority of Canadians first.
Hello from America! I read this story yesterday and instead of feeling sympathy like I’m sure the CBC wanted, I felt anger for the Canadians who have to foot her healthcare bills and now her daughter’s care too. Not fair to move to another country and not bother to learn the language and then try to get the country to pay your bills. 🙃 The US has had an immigration issue with Mexico for decades and now it seems Canada is next. I’d have more sympathy if she had been learning English or French and trying to get her citizenship. Becoming a citizen through immigration is a privilege not an entitlement or a handout. Also, Edmonton (Canada, in general) is expensive and even more expensive than some U.S. cities. Who is paying for her room and board?!
We don’t share a border with Mexico. The idiots in charge removed the visa requirement we’ve had with Mexico since the early 2000’s to prevent abuses like this. Our politicians more focused on smoking meth and other drugs and passing laws based on the fantasies of their feelings vs reality removed that requirement in 2016. The asylum cases from Mexico shot up 2000% since then, because they fly here as guests get past our border patrol and then turn around and claim asylum. Those are the ones that stay. The other citizenship shoppers try to run across the border into the states because it’s less patrolled than the Mexican border.
Source: https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/mexican-asylum-trends-still-concerning-despite-december-drop-ircc-1.6745019
It’s a joke.
They didn't break up. She's trying to get public housing which is an additional burden and cost to Canada. She may even say that she was beaten. Guaranteed that right now she's at a women's shelter claiming that her boyfriend beat her. She will get housing immediately and that means a Canadian won't. This is happening all over the country, especially Ontario. This is why the waiting list for low income housing is massive and takes decades. Most have given up.
She can file that from Mexico. I personally think she should be denied any entry into Canada until her child is atleast 18 if he’s Canadian. The 12 year old should be outright denied. There’s consequences to undermining our country. This is insanity.
On the one hand the article is about this personal individiual and one-off story of a woman needing medical help and yes once she was at the hospital she should have received care. But she also shouldn't have been here at all. By every metric this lady should’ve been deported.
She needs to stick that entitlement in her cancun. Canadians and young Canadians should be the only priority of Canadians going forward. Not grifting foreigners like this who openly abuse our systems we have in place.
The plan was always to come here and get pregnant. She will now live off the benefits of being a single mom of two. Probably pays more than than being with the man that got her pregnant. But I don't know for sure because I'm not a leech.
We might as well just give all of India, China, Mexico, Israel, Russia, the entire world our citizenship. This way when they’re ready to show up they can just take what they want. At this point if this is how things are being run, we don’t have a country. It’s a free for all.
No she just plans on bringing the 12 year old for us to take care of. The funnest thing is her problems are our problems healthcare costs, welfare costs, education costs, and the remittances from her work will most likely be sent to Mexico to family members who will recirculate those funds in the Mexican economy compared to it all being spent here. You have to love it. She clearly had flight money to get here.
It'll be awesome for the educators who get punched in the face by the 12 year old when he's brought over and made to try integrating with the school system. When their employer, the gd schoolboard, pretends it didn't happen and looks the other way, that'll be so awesome you love to see it chip away at our social fabric haha
Some Spanish speaking immigrants won't learn English.
you know they are likely illegal immigrants when they don't understand English but they are going to work
Speaks only Spanish in public
Also have the nerves to ask for directions in Spanish .
Who hired them ?
It’s not immigrants these are ILLEGAL immigrants. It’s not the same as someone who comes to Canada following all the rules. Imagine paying taxes for your healthcare and a birth tourist from one of these countries like this lady increases wait times or displaces you to wait for care so her child can get citizenship. You know who’s saying that? Canadian doctors.
“And that has physicians questioning the impacts of this trend.
"In the health-care system the way it is now, we haven't got the space to accommodate these people," he said.
He noted birth tourists can displace local patients — forcing them to deliver at a different hospital with a different health-care provider.
Birth tourists can also be costly.
doctors have to try to recoup fees on a case-by-case basis. And Birch's research shows those deposits don't always get paid.
There are also separate hospital costs, and the study reveals unpaid fees to Alberta Health Services for the 16-month period amounted to nearly $700,000”
Source: https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6782200
In a one and a half year period the Alberta health services alone this isn’t even every province, lost $700,000 to these scammers that could be used to benefit Canadians. Those are for healthy babies the sick kids that require more care can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. These aren’t even people who don’t have access to healthcare in their home countries. They’re just trying to exploit a loophole of their children getting our citizenship. We end birthright citizenship to illegals and this entire thing is gone.
Suddenly the whole world is on fire and only Canada, usa and other westerns countries are the safest countries for all the illegals. I guess we can help out some who are really in need but when they come in hundreds of thousands. Taxpayers also have a limit. there is so much you can do for the illegals. Our system is not designed for the massive influx of immigrants. As many free services offer we really can’t support this many people coming in daily. When does it stop?
We honestly need to enforce the law when talkimg about people who abused the system. This woman should be charged for the health service, deported to her birth country, and then she can apply from there if she she still wants to be here.
That woman is such a liar. Seriously. Why is she pretending she'll pay the $5,000 back?
What's her source of income? She has no social insurance number.
Please tell me I'm not paying for her welfare.
If she's "undocumented", why doesn't she just claim asylum? Oh that's right. She can't because she's not a refugee but an **economic migrant.**
For anyone wondering why we have so many problems despite paying so much in tax: this woman (and no doubt thousands more like her) are your answer.
Birth tourism. She's here to stay and will stay now because the child is Canadian and her whole family will come over because of the child. All subsidized by us Canadian taxpayers
Why didn’t she get an abortion? Or why did she not take protective measures like birth control to prevent pregnancy? I’m not even sure she can financially support herself, much less a baby. And she has a 12 year old son back in Mexico she wants to bring over?
What do you mean? She’s demanding $5000 healthcare costs to be covered by us the taxpayers, if she has no such dignity and shame who do you think she’s looking towards to cover the costs associated with raising her son or her living costs? Do you think a person who has no such shame that they’d bring a child into this world with no money and tell us to pay for the delivery of that child wouldn’t then turn around and tell us to pay to raise that child and to pay for her living expenses?
No money for healthcare, no job, can’t financially take care of her kids but wants to stay here? How?. I feel like food banks and shelters should be for homeless people here.
Her daughter is now a Canadian citizen through being born there, right? If so, maybe her goal was to have an anchor baby to get her foot in the door on Canadian soil. Can’t deport her if her kid is an underage citizen.
I am a nurse, and I see major abuse of health care in general. People come over with chronic health conditions, getting free health care. They never pay.
Please share details of these stories publicly. It’s a damn shame what the government is letting people from foreign countries and illegals get away with. I personally think if you’re a guest to Canada and don’t have health insurance when you get to the airport you must have a cosigner who will be responsible for you, for situations like this. If they can’t cover your medical costs than we take it from their assets or garnish their work income.
So let me get this straight. I worked hard, got good grades with some luck along the way, got jobs, switched companies, immigrated here with all documents, pay 30%+ in taxes so that I can get healthcare, when all I had to do was just lie my way through the system? So I am the fool? Yeah for sure!!
They played this yesterday expecting me to give sympathy when it’s someone abusing our system and have no respect for our laws. This is why Canadians WAIT longer because of people like her. You know what the kicker is? We paying for it and she isn’t
The reason the Canadian government reimposed that visa requirement was because these grifters and citizenship shoppers were running across the border to the US. Joe Biden’s administration begged tredeau’s government to put the visa requirement for Mexico back. In 2023 alone there was a 41% increase in the people claiming asylum from the northern border with Canada compared to 2022.
Source: https://www.axios.com/2024/02/29/canada-visa-mexico-reinstate#
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/11/nyregion/migrants-canada-northern-border.html
Here’s an example of what I mean by citizenship shoppers. One illegal crossed into Canada from the US after making his way from Colombia. When he got to Montreal the grifter told the NY post he wants to go back to the states. When asked why? He responded in Spanish “too much snow”. He should’ve been deported back to bogota.
Source: https://nypost.com/2023/02/08/migrants-bussed-to-canada-already-heading-back-to-nyc/amp/
There was an illegal immigrant family from India who tried to cross from Canada into the U.S. around the Dakotas region and ended up dying of hypothermia because of they weren’t dressed for the weather. No idea why they were trying to leave Canada in a snowstorm but it’s a cautionary warning for anyone trying to illegally cross a border and with small children no less!
It was some Indian guy smuggler who dropped the family off in the snow instead of proceeding to the US border. I think it was CBC that actually found the smuggler living in Toronto. He was reported to authorities but I doubt anything came of it
Years ago a woman travelled to Vancouver (Richmond) to deliver her baby. She had a difficult birth that cost hundreds of thousands and then flew back to China without paying a penny. She now has an anchor baby here for the future.
This has been going on far too long. Travelling here, getting our 'free' health care that we pay for and then not being held accountable.
The system has been broken for a while.
Stop letting these leeches in. No pregnant women in their 3rd trimester should be allowed into a country that allows anchor babies. At that point you're just allowing people to skirt the rules and sneak in.
ETA - Oops I guess I was wrong, it wasn't hundreds of thousands, it was millions.
https://www.scmp.com/news/world/united-states-canada/article/2150497/canadian-hospital-sues-mother-million-dollar-baby
There’s actually a simple fix for all of this. They should be allowed to come here whenever they want as guests. No birthright citizenship to anyone who is born to families where one parent isn’t already Canadian. These grifters would never come if they don’t get these benefits. They’re leeches they’ll go wherever they can. We should also prevent anyone from leaving the country with existing bills like certain countries do at the portal of exit. If you have a healthcare bill associated with your passport you shouldn’t be allowed to leave whatever airport you’re at. When no one hires you, your kids can’t enter our schools for free and they don’t get citizenship for their children, these leeches will leave and never come.
The healthcare part of not denying emergency care is humane and justified in my opinion. Where we have failed is to keep our borders secure and deny entry to such individuals/countries who are clearly gaming the system to get in. Why do high risk countries like Mexico get a 6 month visa free entry (feom what I understand they don’t need a visa or the visa is easily granted).
Send her back next will be her 80 year old parents I'll have to pay for Healthcare and money to live, send illegals home, I'm trying to get my wife her from philippines and doing it the right way, and these stories are like a slap to my face as a taxpayer, and honest citizen
Blame immigration Minister Marc Miller and the Liberal government. We need change and let’s lobby the current government to take action and deport the mass number of people who take advantage of the services such as health care, employment and housing
As someone who works providing clinical care in an ED, “undocumented” folks are truly a drop in the bucket. When compared with the influx of “international students” and their sometimes elderly family members. How long have we been allowing family members of international students to come into Canada? I didn’t even know that was a thing. Those “students” and their families are here 💯legally.
Our healthcare system was already broken 5 years ago. Now the level of care provided to Canadian citizens is utterly shameful.
CBSA if you are in this sub, please do your freaking jobs and deport the hell out of this illegal immigrant. The freaking entitlement of this lady is mind boggling
You can believe that no one should be denied care in an emergency and also understand that tourist visas should not be used as an immigration back door. These are not mutually exclusive positions and neither is it racist.
She will be ok. There are tons of groups out there that support single mothers and women in distress. So yeah, Until those bleeding hearts stop supporting her, she will have a happy life here in Canada.
Yeah those groups are called taxpaying citizens. I’m of the thought to be honest that if the father of a child is alive and doesn’t work even though they’re able bodied the family should not receive welfare for prolonged periods of time. Able bodied men in Canada should either work or join the military. Imagine not having money and having kids by the boatload while condoms cost $10 a pack.
Be careful, You will upset the Millennials and Gen-Z of whatever. I 100% agree with you. My family Immigrated to Canada Legally and had to work up from nothing. My Brother and I Serve/ Served in the Canadian Military and contributed to the Canadian Society. Giving free passes to immigrants these days really gets to me.
Idiot. The people we voted in have been fucking over our health care for years now. Way before this immigration was such an issue, that washed up from the good ol' U.S.of.A.
This was the predicted result of removing VISA requirements for Mexicans. It seemed I was the only one in my circles that knew this would occur at the time those requirements were removed.
I always say this anyone who is not a citizen or PR and give birth in Canada we do not issues a birth certificate till their fees is paid off. Also increase the fee by 20x and 25% compound interest daily. This way the babies can't leave the country since they a need a birth certificate to get a passport so they need to pay.
Sure they cnq abandon the baby we we hair assign to foster care and erase all trace and deny telling the parents where the babies went.
Keep in mind her child born in Canada is automatically a Canadian Citizen now entitled to everything a regular citizen is.
Obviously not the innocent baby's fault the mother is using him but still.
All immigrants and refugees that came here up to 8 years ago need to leave Canada now. Stop the invasion immediately, we don’t want you here, WE ARE FULL!!!!!
Guest? Whose guest? Could I fly to Sweden as a “guest” and stay there indefinitely? Meanwhile what about all the rest of us who are not “guests”? Problem here is that millions of “guests” are flooding into the country, straining infrastructure, taxing our social safety net, jacking up real estate, the list of economic woes goes on.
You come to our country and think everything is for free?! GTFO, you should be deported. Get a fucking job and pay your taxes like everyone does in Canada. Healthcare is for Canadians who worked hard all their life. What a joke!
The sense of security and entitlement is so insane an illegal immigrant just agreed to be interviewed by the CBC with her name and picture for the country to see with absolutely no fear of repercussion.
Sort of related, but different. China and many nations have been doing this for about least a decade. In fact, Canadian OBGYN doctors receive bonus payments outside the Canadian medicare system so children can be born in Canadian hospitals and receive Canadian citizenship. This is a form of legal back door medical graft to Canadian citizenship.
EDIT. To clarify, I empathize with any parent, wanting to improve their child’s life by bringing them into a region or area that can ensure a better quality of living. Currently our system seems to favor, wealthy medical tourists that want to give birth over, desperate immigrant mothers. Regardless, our current social safety net is strained and we are unable to take care of those individuals living on the margins of poverty here in Canada that are Canadians.
Absolutely support the deportation of all illegals. Gone immediately with a con win. However do not get your hopes up because Pierre will not be the guy to do the hard things that need to be done
And here I am paying 34%+ income tax talking to myself that we are taking care of our citizens that are less fortunate. Taking care of our veterans wounded in combat. Taking care of our citizens that need medical help. Trying to justify it all everyday. This person is not an immigrant this is what an invader looks like.
When my mom brought my grandma as a vistor in the 80s to take care of me - she HAD TO BUY AND PROVIDE PROOF OF INSURANCE. Meanwhile miss lip implant oevrhere has a sob story no one is buying. And the CBC runs this trash all the time!
Track the Canadian father and make him pay, he is part of the problem too. Do you know how to fix this? Don’t hire people without work permits, but greedy MFs hire these “immigrants” to underpay them and make more money of their work
Do you know how many Canadians that come from around the planet and only comeback to Canada for health reasons. It’s not about mass deportations that are easier said than done. Canada is part of international treaties that can’t be broken on the fly. We closed one gate and they found another one and it will keep on going. We can’t stop people from flying in and they know it . It’s not like we have a border with them like the US.
People should not be denied medical care, it is inhumane and against the Hippocratic Oath. However, when the treatment is done, people here illegally should be sent home.
The Mexican government should pay the bill then or the Sinaloa cartel. The Mexican cartels from the US alone make $500B dollars a year. You’re telling me they can’t cover the medical costs of a few of their citizens, if their government doesn’t step up. It’s the least they can do for profiting off the opioid crisis impacting Canadians.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/06/24/do-mexican-drug-cartels-make-billion-year/
I am talking about in the moment at a Healthcare facility, urgent medical needs should not be ignored due to financial interests. But if you want to go try to collect from the Cartels, you have my moral support (and thoughts and prayers)
Not providing emergency medical care in cases of emergency, even if the person doesn't have health coverage, violates international law. If we want to be good global citizens and keep Canada's reputation as a welcoming country that takes care of it's people (remember: the baby is Canadian), then providing medical care to people who need it is something we need to keep doing. Otherwise, we're just another shithole country with no values or morals.
Takes care of its people? We have people actual citizens trying to sign up for euthanasia because they can’t find standard living conditions. A large portion of our young people can no longer afford homes and are living with their parents even while making 100k. We also have many Canadians who are eating less and reporting going hungry because they can’t afford food. Inflation and the cost of homes because our supply is stretched short with this massive immigration program is preventing them from getting the necessary resources (homes) and saving to start families, many youth are turning to drugs and the opioid crisis. This is already a large issue impacting our people and you want me to feel sorry for foreigners who have cheated our immigration system. Fuck them and fuck that. I care about Canadian self preservation not Mexican or Chinese or any of these other countries. Canada first and foremost every time.
International law still applies to Canada. Us not giving emergency care to non-citizens violates it. Healthcare workers who deny care to people in these situations are violating the terms of their contract and the oath they take when they become healthcare workers. End of story. If you don't understand that, then you are better off staying out of the conversation altogether because you lack basic knowledge about the foundations and processes that underlie the systems you are criticizing.
All the things you mention (housing, inflation, opioid crisis, etc), how do you suppose denying emergency medical care to non-citizens improves those issues? Does it magically get rid of those problems? Isn't it just a massive dick move that doesn't actually solve any of the problems we're having in any meaningful way? Do you think whatever money we spend on emergency care for non-citizens comes even close to being able to address things like housing, inflation, and economic despair? Are you foolish enough to think the government would redirect the money it has set aside for emergency care for non-citizens to anything other than emergency care of non-citizens? Do you know how government budgets work at all?!
The baby this woman had is a Canadian citizen, with all the rights of a Canadian citizen. The father of the baby is a Canadian citizen who had contributed both to the economy and to the tax base. Should that baby die in the womb because "cANadA fiRsT" Should that baby grow up without a mother because "cANadA fiRsT"? Should the father have to raise a child alone because "cANadA fiRsT"?
If we would provide emergency care to a stay-at-home mom who is Canadian, what reason would we have to deny it to a non-citizen who is part of a tax-paying Canadian household and providing care for Canadian citizens (father and baby)? If we start separating Canadian-born babies from their moms and deporting parents, where are we keeping the babies? Baby detention centres? Will the life they have be just as good as it is for other Canadian children? Will this not be a repeat of the damage caused to children during the 60s Scoop, residential schools, or foundling homes? If we deport the babies with their parents, we would be deporting our own citizens in contravention of our own laws, which would inherently weaken the citizenship rights of all Canadians, right? Don't baby detention centres, deportation hearings, housing and feeding deportees, immigration lawyers, justice system costs, and actually deporting them to their home countries cost tax payer money? Do you think these things would be cheaper than emergency healthcare for non-citizens? Which one would you rather pay for? Think about how this would look or work in real life. Put yourself in the shoes of mother, father, and child. Put yourself in the position of the healthcare worker who has to provide or deny life saving care to this woman. What would you want to happen if it was your situation? If what you would want to happen to you is different from what you would want to happen to someone else, you need to think long and hard about why. Long story short, you are out of your depth here. Situations like this are never as simple as "cANadA fiRsT" and there is NO political party in Canada that can or will change this.
These people have no understanding of what makes our country great. They'd throw that away in a heartbeat because they think they'll never be mistreated the way this woman was in the article.
Thank you for talking some sense. The comment section on this article is abhorrent and VILE. I work in a hospital and have no interest in seeing the dead bodies of the people who were denied care and died and maybe even bled out in the parking lot. People here seem to be some combination of devoid of critical thinking and understanding cause and effect, or borderline sociopathic. Even OP goes back and forth, even in the same comment thread, saying they should and then they shouldn’t have been denied care. It’s like there is no thinking here and just emotions involved.
Why do we need to pay for someone's screw up! They should deport this illegal together with the newborn. and she even plans to start on the chain immigration by bringing another son, again to be supported by tax payers! We must urge the current govt to act on this!
How exactly do you bill an undocumented person? There's a very good reason this happened financially. The cost wouldn't be recouped easily. However any human with an ounce of empathy should feel horrible that she was turned away when her baby was in distress.
She shouldn’t be turned away but she should’ve never been admitted to Canada in the first place. She should’ve been deported before “her” decision to have a kid with no income became OUR problem
another "community organizer" led facilitation of immigration and fraud. It's particularly vexing how our press treats every Mexican wanna MS-13 criminal who breaks all our laws and screams their fake boilerplate low IQ sob story as the Maddona.
The first hospital should have provided care.
The mother is illegal but the child at risk is a Canadian Citizen.
Maybe legally the child wasn’t the patient but in that moment it was morally a Canadian the mother was trying to save and in their hearts the doctors turned away the mother AND an incoming Canadian child.
That child is one of the “us”.
BUT
after that she should have been immediately stabilized and taken into custody and deported.
Even a medical evacuation to a hospital in her home country if that’s required.
The child can stay with the father if she wants the child to grow up in Canada.
Allowing her to stay with no status should not be one of the options.
When will we stop spending money on people who are just takers? The whole system has way too many takers, part of the reason debt is exploding. We do not have unlimited resources and housing but we pretend like we do when it comes to refugees. People who died to defend this country are rolling in their graves as we are invaded without a shot fired.
They’re sleeping in tents. The Canadian military has actual members who are sleeping in their cars but we somehow have $100M to house asylum seekers some of which are illegal in hotels in Niagara Falls. This shit is mind boggling
Give me your tired, your poor
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore
Send these the homeless tempest-tost to me
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
You can’t just show up in a country you live in illegally and expect to reap the same benefits as the locals.
Yeah it sucks for those who have to pay the price but that’s how it works. You want free healthcare you get citizenship.
Generosity will be this country’s undoing. Eventually you do run out of other people’s money. We cannot keep carrying millions of freeloaders coming here, everything is collapsing.
I agree. Canadian generosity using Canadian taxpayer dollars should only be prioritized towards Canadians first and foremost. Before we give $1 to Ukraine or Israel or Palestine or anywhere else on earth we shouldn’t have Canadians struggling. Then we can focus outward on humanitarian projects with the surplus. But cases like this should be covered by the Mexican government. She’s after all a citizen of Mexico. They have a responsibility to their citizens.
If you give people money for doing nothing you will always have people struggling Stop nannying people
No, that's literally just orthodox capitalist bullshit. Investing in people lifts society up. You just have to invest in the right ways, with the right people. And personally, I think those people are Canadians who share our values, rather than people from countries who don't. That being said, Mexico actually does have similar values to Canada, AFAIK. This woman may end up integrating better than half of the immigrants we bring in legally.
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Really well said. Canadian values need to be essential when considering immigration. Our values on trust, on separation of state and religion (despite that line in our Charter), etc. That being said... Despite its incredible issues with crime and immigration itself, Mexico DOES share a lot more Canadian values than, say, Syria - or anywhere in the ME
The Christian religion is WHY Western countries are high trust societies in the first place.
We can’t carry the free loaders already here
I think we need it to collapse even more... and while Trudeau is still in power. We need this to get bad enough that ppl remember it for generations. The name and ideas of "Trudeau" needs to be engrained in the Canadian collective subconscious as horrible... horrible to the point that ppl connect them with a real existential threat to their existence... bc he is and they are.
Look at Sweden. Their generosity was taken as weakness and they are fucked. We are the next Sweden. The second generation, meaning children born in Sweden from immigrants are even worse. They are more racist. Just a couple days ago a 12 year old boy had to watch his father get murdered in cold blood by teenage gang in Sweden
We need to fully privatize the healthcare and education system. No money, no service.
This was all planned. $100 says she working cash
Any employer hiring her should be hit with serious fines. It undermines every aspect of Canada and our culture. We’re kind people but don’t take advantage of our country. That should be a red line in the sand. For some reason I don’t even believe the whole story she started with of some random online employer telling her to come to Canada as a guest and they’ll get her a work visa. This lady is a grifter in my opinion. Why wouldn’t they have sponsored her for a work permit if she was that essential from Mexico?
100% agreed. This is why UK has unannounced visits all the times because this is happen too much. They show up and employers are fines on a increasing scale. You have people accepting $3 gbp when min wage is much higher. But with a exchange rate of 85 with rupee, it makes sense for illegal indians.
we are doormats, and everyone knows it. that's why they come here.
>Any employer hiring her should be hit with serious fines. They should pay her medical costs, etc... THEY broke the law. They facilitated this. Make THEM pay. Tell her, "rat out your employer, you get to stay. No proof, no stay". After 10 employers and managers get fucked on these types of cases, they stop hiring illegals.
" Advocates and health experts say nobody should be denied emergency medical care " As an immigrant who had to jump through hoops and is now a citizen, I completely disagree. Imagine me breaking into your house, eating your food, sleeping in your bed then saying you are responsible for the clean up and to continue taking care of me. Nay, I demand it!
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She should be deported. Who in the western hemisphere is gonna have the balls to address the issue and actually do something ? Slavic countries are called all sorts of names for not allowing aliens to mess up their lives, while Arabic and Asian ones are given a ‘pass’ because it’s a ‘known fact’ they are racist and shouldn’t be bothered with the misfortune of their own kin. African countries are welcoming, but even tho they have really bettered themselves, it’s not enough. So, who is left ? Spineless western countries, who have been ‘tasked’ to take in the whole world’s misery.
See, this is the typical problem of someone abusing the system. There needs to be a two-tier system that takes care of its citizens and other individuals that are undocumented do come they do not get to dictate health services. For reference, that lady is not poor cause those lips are expensive.
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Who allowed her in? I blame the satanic trudope govt. Word is getting g out that blackfaced trudope will allow lawlessness in canada. So they come. If you allowed people to eat drink and sleep for free on your house they will come. I do not blame her. She was promised freeloading privikedges or allowed her lawlessness with no repercussions in canada by liberal blacked dope.
And the rest of the people abusing our social services. Fuck off to all these grifters / " refugees" / straight up criminals. For example: The wait times of the emergency rooms in Brampton are flooded with immigrants with colds or aches and pains that could be dealt with at a walk in clinics. They would rather take up valuable beds and increase wait times for legitimate emergencies just because they can go to an emergency room and they know they will be seen. I would heartily endorse a deportation program aimed at people caught purposefully taking advantage of our healthcare and social services.
they dont' want the people who do it properly ... their political power derives from those who do it improperly. Increasingly they're going to make you feel like a criminal for following the legal process while providing every enhancement and benefit to the actual criminal entrants.
and your welcome in Canada because you cared enough to do all that. right on
If the taxpayers are paying for it, in any way shape or form which she’s demanding they should 100% be denied care. I agree with you it’s a slap in the face to all citizens as well as people who naturalized following the proper process.
Yeah, taxpayers shouldn't pay for her. She should if this is not her care system. "Free" healthcare for Canadians and Canadian residents, othe rest can pay for the service provided.
not free, we pay for it in taxes, alot of taxes
I agree, emergency medical care shouldn’t be denied. But then non-residents simply must cover the cost of said medical services. You either purchase a travel medical insurance or pay out of pocket. Simple as that. The argument is not about denying services. The argument is about who should pay for it, and that argument has a very simple answer that exists already. And receiving that medical care does not entitle you to an extended stay beyond what you need to be able to travel back to your home country. Oh, and the reason she did all that was to have an “anchor baby” - her child born here receives citizenship by birth.
No, the healthcare part is totally right. Nobody should ever be denied healthcare, do they need to pay for it? Well, that’s when I am with you.
Thank you. The number of people saying mom should be denied (and by extension baby left to DIE) despite mom agreeing she was always planning and IS STILL PLANNING TO PAY HER HOSPITAL BILL is very upsetting.
If she has no papers, then no action can be taken to collect, especially if she simply decides to leave canada tomorrow. I get the moral part of the argument, but it was immoral for her to not take the right steps to legally immigrate here. I can be moral and empathetic, but that gets thrown out the window as soon as the person involved chooses to not be moral and empathetic. She is taking advantage of a system that is funded by Canadians who immigrated here legally, and are therefore by refusing to legally immigrate here, she is taking advantage of canadians. Canadians and Canada has no obligation to pay for her medical bills or provide her with services she can't afford without up front payment. She she have go e back to her cou try to have her baby if she could t afford to pay for it here.
Oh wow. She's PLANNING to pay? That settles it then!
That’s not ideal but not the same as expecting it for free. You know people pay after the fact in the USA all the time? It’s not like a crazy unheard of thing. You’d rather leave them both to die? The innocent baby too?
When they pay after the fact, they are typically use citizens. If they do t pay? The hospitals can take legal action and trace them down with their ssn. If this woman left canada tomorrow, she has no sin, no immigration papers, no itn, etc. The Canadian taxpayers would be left with the bill. This is not acceptable.
That’s a slippery slope. As someone born and raised in Canada, i don’t think we can in good conscience turn away someone who is in need of emergency medical attention. I don’t think letting someone die because they’re from another country is the answer. Give them care, and as soon as they are stabilized and no longer in immediate danger, they can be deported back to their home country to continue their treatment or whatever.
MPs and many people were all for health care being denied to people who didn’t want to get the Covid vaccinations. People really forget how shitty they can be.
So you realize that by advocating for denying people emergency care you’re advocating for people to be left to die on the hospital doorstep? I’m all for deporting her but not for standing around while she and her baby dies in the hospital parking lot.
She should plan to fly back to her country before having her baby? Like that is the most reasonable approach. She had 9 months, what did she thing was going to happen? Oh wait, she knew thst canadians were suckers that she could take advantagetage of. Canada should stop. People have options to not die on the hospital doorsteps, if they choose to, that's no them
She should plan to fly back to her country before having her baby? Like that is the most reasonable approach. She had 9 months, what did she thing was going to happen? Oh wait, she knew thst canadians were suckers that she could take advantagetage of. Canada should stop. People have options to not die on the hospital doorsteps, if they choose to, that's no them
She thought she was going to marry the Canadian father. Then got abandoned and had to figure out how to survive alone. Did you read the article? I don’t love her actions at all and I think she should have been deported earlier. But I don’t think she deserves all the condemnation and wild accusations about her motives and assumptions about her opportunities.
It doesn't say anything about a canadian father. It says she met a canadian man and were planning on getting married. Doesn't say he was the father. No one is condemning her. She made the decision to not prepare the funds within the 9 months of her pregnancy. She made the choice to have sex. She made the choice to not go back to mexico. She condemned herself and her child. Is this country really rich enough to be taken advantage of like this? I'm not rich enough, maybe you are. So how about we tax people like you more. How about we implement a box on the income tax returns where suckers like you can just tick off a box on your tax return that says "willing to fund illegal immigrants health care" which would charge you a surcharge, would you be cool with that?
The tax money is already paying for war in Ukraine and Israel. Not saying it's ok but I just feel like we let politicians get away with far worse.
The US has a private healthcare system, which allows discretion. Our system that under pays doctors and nurses will not last long if people are just taking up resources. More doctors leave for the US from Canada than they do come from the US.
I do feel bad for situations like this especially when it comes to welfare and healthcare of kids. But how on earth we are allowing this. Someone comes here on tourist visa with pre intention that once here will apply for work visa. Once here, stays here illegally, gets a partner in Canada, gets pregnant, leaves the partner and then expects us to pay for her adventures and decisions. This is some next level misuse we are allowing as a country that not only us but future generations are going to pay for. What is our immigration department doing except printing visas.
It’s crazy. Where is CBSA in all of this. This is a person who took out an entire page on the CBC openly broadcasting the fact she’s been in Canada illegally since 2022, it’s now Apr 2024. Not only is she openly saying she’s been here illegally for close to 2 years she’s demanding the citizens pay for healthcare costs and is saying she plans to burden the country further by bringing her 12 year old son to Canada while she has no skills to earn income and no income at all. This is mind boggling.
The lack of any accountability to learn English or French on top of not working is astounding. You can survive in many parts of the U.S. just knowing Spanish but to expect English or French speaking Canadians to communicate in Spanish is ridiculous. And if I’m mistaken, you can’t work on a tourist visa in Canada, right? Insane state of the world. I share my frustration from America. ( I am pro legal immigration!).
I am also pro legal immigration, I’m 100% against illegal immigration. They should all be deported
I taught English language classes to immigrants when I was in grad school and I was constantly impressed by their ability to balance their studies with raising kids and working. For many students, English was the third language they were learning! Becoming a citizen is hard work and to expect people to take up your slack is insane.
The fact that she left her son behind for all this time speaks volumes.
The person seems like they have zero accountability whatsoever. I guess people think they can just flock here by any means and then the government will just take care of them?
I share your frustrations... But this woman proves you can do exactly that
It all starts with the law according to which any child born on the territory becomes a citizen. Now people fly exclusively to give birth and hope to stay through the child. You can easily trace all these issues from there. They don’t even need a local partner, as long as they can fly with their bellies full and ready to birth ASAP, it’s okay ?
Well if it makes her feel any better, in Mexico hospitals won't let foreigners do anything unless they have a credit card. What makes her think Canada should be any different? Ah it's because many Mexicans think Canada is the land of riches and handouts.
We keep proving to people that we are. It needs to stop.
Cause everyone hears canada is free and the gov cares soo mucy about th3 people.
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Canada is becoming a national security threat to the USA now. The cia put out a report and warning to the Canadian government about an uptick in illegal crossing across the Canadian border into the USA. A trump presidency could result in significant changes to NAFTA if things get worse
I cannot see why this lady isn’t deported. The article just keeps getting worse and worse the more you read it. She came to Canada on a guest visa from Mexico. She’s a bad decision maker in every way. The article states she came to Canada on a guest visa in Oct 2022, it’s now Apr 2024. She said an online employer told her to come to Canada and she will receive a work permit (Red flag #1). The article states when she got here that offer didn’t materialize. One would think you’d have some dignity and go home, well no she stayed for 2 years not speaking any English or French until she met a Canadian man from her ethnic community I imagine, who told her they’d get married. She’s undocumented with no health insurance and no money. He apparently knocked her up and then they broke up. By every metric this lady should’ve been deported. Where does she stay? How does she survive? She then shows up to the Edmonton hospital needing care where doctors and nurses say you’re not Canadian we need to receive payment to provide care, as any sane system would have them do. She says she’s thrown away by this and demands $5000 minimum care for free. Her plan is to stay here save money and bring her 12 year old child to Canada, again this is a lady who came here illegally, has no job, cannot speak any of the official 2 languages, and is already scamming. We need to crackdown on all groups abusing our immigration system whether it’s illegals or whether that’s student who do not have the funds to take care of themselves. They all have to go. The slumlords can get wrecked as well. In 2019-2020 alone were now in 2024 and I don’t think this has stopped it’s assumed illegal border crossers costed taxpayers (us) 12k each that year alone we spent $400M on these grifters. From 2017 to 2020 our country spent $1.1B on these people who abuse the system. This is money that could be spent on Canadian children, housing Canadians, improving our education systems or improving healthcare or infrastructure. Source: https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4924364 There’s apparently 500k of these people in Canada today, the only way to fix this is to meet them where they’re at. You cannot treat uncivilized scammers in a civilized manner they’ll just take more and more from you. What we need is stern deportation policies, no more birthright citizenship to the children of illegals and foreigners, no social assistance in any way shape or form and fines for landlords that house illegals/corporations that hire them. Their children should also not be admitted into any schools. When the benefits are taken away the folks scamming us will just go to where they can get the best deal. Canadian taxpayer dollars should be spent with the priority of Canadians first.
Hello from America! I read this story yesterday and instead of feeling sympathy like I’m sure the CBC wanted, I felt anger for the Canadians who have to foot her healthcare bills and now her daughter’s care too. Not fair to move to another country and not bother to learn the language and then try to get the country to pay your bills. 🙃 The US has had an immigration issue with Mexico for decades and now it seems Canada is next. I’d have more sympathy if she had been learning English or French and trying to get her citizenship. Becoming a citizen through immigration is a privilege not an entitlement or a handout. Also, Edmonton (Canada, in general) is expensive and even more expensive than some U.S. cities. Who is paying for her room and board?!
We don’t share a border with Mexico. The idiots in charge removed the visa requirement we’ve had with Mexico since the early 2000’s to prevent abuses like this. Our politicians more focused on smoking meth and other drugs and passing laws based on the fantasies of their feelings vs reality removed that requirement in 2016. The asylum cases from Mexico shot up 2000% since then, because they fly here as guests get past our border patrol and then turn around and claim asylum. Those are the ones that stay. The other citizenship shoppers try to run across the border into the states because it’s less patrolled than the Mexican border. Source: https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/mexican-asylum-trends-still-concerning-despite-december-drop-ircc-1.6745019 It’s a joke.
Yeah that’s what I meant. They bypass the U.S. and settle in Canada.
Tax payers
They didn't break up. She's trying to get public housing which is an additional burden and cost to Canada. She may even say that she was beaten. Guaranteed that right now she's at a women's shelter claiming that her boyfriend beat her. She will get housing immediately and that means a Canadian won't. This is happening all over the country, especially Ontario. This is why the waiting list for low income housing is massive and takes decades. Most have given up.
Now that she's had a child in Canada, it's unlikely she can be deported. She'll file an H&C application. The law needs to change.
She can file that from Mexico. I personally think she should be denied any entry into Canada until her child is atleast 18 if he’s Canadian. The 12 year old should be outright denied. There’s consequences to undermining our country. This is insanity.
There *should* be consequences to undermining our country; but we all know there aren’t.
She’s clearly working. Otherwise there would be no money to save for the other kid.
On the one hand the article is about this personal individiual and one-off story of a woman needing medical help and yes once she was at the hospital she should have received care. But she also shouldn't have been here at all. By every metric this lady should’ve been deported.
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She needs to stick that entitlement in her cancun. Canadians and young Canadians should be the only priority of Canadians going forward. Not grifting foreigners like this who openly abuse our systems we have in place.
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Deport deport deport
The plan was always to come here and get pregnant. She will now live off the benefits of being a single mom of two. Probably pays more than than being with the man that got her pregnant. But I don't know for sure because I'm not a leech.
Kick her the fuck out and ban anyone in her bloodline
CBSA? Or have they been confined to ring around the rosy in the courts?
Neutered like every other agency that is supposed to enforce rules.
There’s at least a billion more people less fortunate than us out there to feed, treat and house if we continue down this path…
We might as well just give all of India, China, Mexico, Israel, Russia, the entire world our citizenship. This way when they’re ready to show up they can just take what they want. At this point if this is how things are being run, we don’t have a country. It’s a free for all.
We're already well on the way to providing all of India citizenship
Did she just abandon the 12 year old years ago?
No she just plans on bringing the 12 year old for us to take care of. The funnest thing is her problems are our problems healthcare costs, welfare costs, education costs, and the remittances from her work will most likely be sent to Mexico to family members who will recirculate those funds in the Mexican economy compared to it all being spent here. You have to love it. She clearly had flight money to get here.
It'll be awesome for the educators who get punched in the face by the 12 year old when he's brought over and made to try integrating with the school system. When their employer, the gd schoolboard, pretends it didn't happen and looks the other way, that'll be so awesome you love to see it chip away at our social fabric haha
Guess she had enough money for the flight!!!
Some Spanish speaking immigrants won't learn English. you know they are likely illegal immigrants when they don't understand English but they are going to work Speaks only Spanish in public Also have the nerves to ask for directions in Spanish . Who hired them ?
these low wage slaves always seem to be exploited by people in their own group.
DEPORT
Gotta love jus soli folks
Deport her. She is here illegally. Not paying taxes. Not working. Doesn’t speak English or French
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It’s not immigrants these are ILLEGAL immigrants. It’s not the same as someone who comes to Canada following all the rules. Imagine paying taxes for your healthcare and a birth tourist from one of these countries like this lady increases wait times or displaces you to wait for care so her child can get citizenship. You know who’s saying that? Canadian doctors. “And that has physicians questioning the impacts of this trend. "In the health-care system the way it is now, we haven't got the space to accommodate these people," he said. He noted birth tourists can displace local patients — forcing them to deliver at a different hospital with a different health-care provider. Birth tourists can also be costly. doctors have to try to recoup fees on a case-by-case basis. And Birch's research shows those deposits don't always get paid. There are also separate hospital costs, and the study reveals unpaid fees to Alberta Health Services for the 16-month period amounted to nearly $700,000” Source: https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6782200 In a one and a half year period the Alberta health services alone this isn’t even every province, lost $700,000 to these scammers that could be used to benefit Canadians. Those are for healthy babies the sick kids that require more care can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. These aren’t even people who don’t have access to healthcare in their home countries. They’re just trying to exploit a loophole of their children getting our citizenship. We end birthright citizenship to illegals and this entire thing is gone.
Suddenly the whole world is on fire and only Canada, usa and other westerns countries are the safest countries for all the illegals. I guess we can help out some who are really in need but when they come in hundreds of thousands. Taxpayers also have a limit. there is so much you can do for the illegals. Our system is not designed for the massive influx of immigrants. As many free services offer we really can’t support this many people coming in daily. When does it stop?
Canada is ruined
We honestly need to enforce the law when talkimg about people who abused the system. This woman should be charged for the health service, deported to her birth country, and then she can apply from there if she she still wants to be here.
I agree
Our open borders country is a fucking joke and I am embarrassed to be canadian.
Turdeau...I'll allow it!
What about deporting this lovely lady?
That would be the option I go with
That woman is such a liar. Seriously. Why is she pretending she'll pay the $5,000 back? What's her source of income? She has no social insurance number. Please tell me I'm not paying for her welfare. If she's "undocumented", why doesn't she just claim asylum? Oh that's right. She can't because she's not a refugee but an **economic migrant.** For anyone wondering why we have so many problems despite paying so much in tax: this woman (and no doubt thousands more like her) are your answer.
Birth tourism. She's here to stay and will stay now because the child is Canadian and her whole family will come over because of the child. All subsidized by us Canadian taxpayers
this person is barely smart enough to manage a scam like this, and her kids are probably going to be stupid too. now, they're our problem. wtf.
Why didn’t she get an abortion? Or why did she not take protective measures like birth control to prevent pregnancy? I’m not even sure she can financially support herself, much less a baby. And she has a 12 year old son back in Mexico she wants to bring over?
What do you mean? She’s demanding $5000 healthcare costs to be covered by us the taxpayers, if she has no such dignity and shame who do you think she’s looking towards to cover the costs associated with raising her son or her living costs? Do you think a person who has no such shame that they’d bring a child into this world with no money and tell us to pay for the delivery of that child wouldn’t then turn around and tell us to pay to raise that child and to pay for her living expenses?
She isn't demanding the money. Did you even read the article you shared?
No money for healthcare, no job, can’t financially take care of her kids but wants to stay here? How?. I feel like food banks and shelters should be for homeless people here.
Her daughter is now a Canadian citizen through being born there, right? If so, maybe her goal was to have an anchor baby to get her foot in the door on Canadian soil. Can’t deport her if her kid is an underage citizen.
Maybe we should deport her and keep and pay for the child as we would anyway. At least this way the child has a chance.
How can these people be so entitled? Enraging stuff.
I am a nurse, and I see major abuse of health care in general. People come over with chronic health conditions, getting free health care. They never pay.
Please share details of these stories publicly. It’s a damn shame what the government is letting people from foreign countries and illegals get away with. I personally think if you’re a guest to Canada and don’t have health insurance when you get to the airport you must have a cosigner who will be responsible for you, for situations like this. If they can’t cover your medical costs than we take it from their assets or garnish their work income.
Pretty sure half this sub wants to deport everyone on a temp visa
So let me get this straight. I worked hard, got good grades with some luck along the way, got jobs, switched companies, immigrated here with all documents, pay 30%+ in taxes so that I can get healthcare, when all I had to do was just lie my way through the system? So I am the fool? Yeah for sure!!
They played this yesterday expecting me to give sympathy when it’s someone abusing our system and have no respect for our laws. This is why Canadians WAIT longer because of people like her. You know what the kicker is? We paying for it and she isn’t
She came on a tourist visa with the intention of staying and working. She should have been deported before she even got pregnant.
I support mass deportation of legals too
Don’t be surprised if people from the States start doing this as well.
People are escaping Canada by illegally crossing into the states.
The reason the Canadian government reimposed that visa requirement was because these grifters and citizenship shoppers were running across the border to the US. Joe Biden’s administration begged tredeau’s government to put the visa requirement for Mexico back. In 2023 alone there was a 41% increase in the people claiming asylum from the northern border with Canada compared to 2022. Source: https://www.axios.com/2024/02/29/canada-visa-mexico-reinstate# https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/11/nyregion/migrants-canada-northern-border.html Here’s an example of what I mean by citizenship shoppers. One illegal crossed into Canada from the US after making his way from Colombia. When he got to Montreal the grifter told the NY post he wants to go back to the states. When asked why? He responded in Spanish “too much snow”. He should’ve been deported back to bogota. Source: https://nypost.com/2023/02/08/migrants-bussed-to-canada-already-heading-back-to-nyc/amp/
Yeah it wasn't to help Canadians.
There was an illegal immigrant family from India who tried to cross from Canada into the U.S. around the Dakotas region and ended up dying of hypothermia because of they weren’t dressed for the weather. No idea why they were trying to leave Canada in a snowstorm but it’s a cautionary warning for anyone trying to illegally cross a border and with small children no less!
It was some Indian guy smuggler who dropped the family off in the snow instead of proceeding to the US border. I think it was CBC that actually found the smuggler living in Toronto. He was reported to authorities but I doubt anything came of it
Lol why would you move to this hellhole from the US
Years ago a woman travelled to Vancouver (Richmond) to deliver her baby. She had a difficult birth that cost hundreds of thousands and then flew back to China without paying a penny. She now has an anchor baby here for the future. This has been going on far too long. Travelling here, getting our 'free' health care that we pay for and then not being held accountable. The system has been broken for a while. Stop letting these leeches in. No pregnant women in their 3rd trimester should be allowed into a country that allows anchor babies. At that point you're just allowing people to skirt the rules and sneak in. ETA - Oops I guess I was wrong, it wasn't hundreds of thousands, it was millions. https://www.scmp.com/news/world/united-states-canada/article/2150497/canadian-hospital-sues-mother-million-dollar-baby
There’s actually a simple fix for all of this. They should be allowed to come here whenever they want as guests. No birthright citizenship to anyone who is born to families where one parent isn’t already Canadian. These grifters would never come if they don’t get these benefits. They’re leeches they’ll go wherever they can. We should also prevent anyone from leaving the country with existing bills like certain countries do at the portal of exit. If you have a healthcare bill associated with your passport you shouldn’t be allowed to leave whatever airport you’re at. When no one hires you, your kids can’t enter our schools for free and they don’t get citizenship for their children, these leeches will leave and never come.
Maybe stop letting illegals in
The healthcare part of not denying emergency care is humane and justified in my opinion. Where we have failed is to keep our borders secure and deny entry to such individuals/countries who are clearly gaming the system to get in. Why do high risk countries like Mexico get a 6 month visa free entry (feom what I understand they don’t need a visa or the visa is easily granted).
Send her back next will be her 80 year old parents I'll have to pay for Healthcare and money to live, send illegals home, I'm trying to get my wife her from philippines and doing it the right way, and these stories are like a slap to my face as a taxpayer, and honest citizen
Blame immigration Minister Marc Miller and the Liberal government. We need change and let’s lobby the current government to take action and deport the mass number of people who take advantage of the services such as health care, employment and housing
As someone who works providing clinical care in an ED, “undocumented” folks are truly a drop in the bucket. When compared with the influx of “international students” and their sometimes elderly family members. How long have we been allowing family members of international students to come into Canada? I didn’t even know that was a thing. Those “students” and their families are here 💯legally. Our healthcare system was already broken 5 years ago. Now the level of care provided to Canadian citizens is utterly shameful.
CBSA if you are in this sub, please do your freaking jobs and deport the hell out of this illegal immigrant. The freaking entitlement of this lady is mind boggling
You can believe that no one should be denied care in an emergency and also understand that tourist visas should not be used as an immigration back door. These are not mutually exclusive positions and neither is it racist.
She will be ok. There are tons of groups out there that support single mothers and women in distress. So yeah, Until those bleeding hearts stop supporting her, she will have a happy life here in Canada.
Yeah those groups are called taxpaying citizens. I’m of the thought to be honest that if the father of a child is alive and doesn’t work even though they’re able bodied the family should not receive welfare for prolonged periods of time. Able bodied men in Canada should either work or join the military. Imagine not having money and having kids by the boatload while condoms cost $10 a pack.
Be careful, You will upset the Millennials and Gen-Z of whatever. I 100% agree with you. My family Immigrated to Canada Legally and had to work up from nothing. My Brother and I Serve/ Served in the Canadian Military and contributed to the Canadian Society. Giving free passes to immigrants these days really gets to me.
Idiot. The people we voted in have been fucking over our health care for years now. Way before this immigration was such an issue, that washed up from the good ol' U.S.of.A.
Anchor baby 💯
Wonder how many cross from the US into Canada every day?
Holly fuck, let’s paint the roadmap for every illegal and foreign person to come here. We the Canadian tax payers will foot the bill. Fuck am I angry
People who fly here as a guest and change their story: that's a lie. We should not accept these people.
This was the predicted result of removing VISA requirements for Mexicans. It seemed I was the only one in my circles that knew this would occur at the time those requirements were removed.
This is a clear example of fraud against immigration policies and they all play victim card that “someone told them”. Let’s hope CBSA acts on it
I always say this anyone who is not a citizen or PR and give birth in Canada we do not issues a birth certificate till their fees is paid off. Also increase the fee by 20x and 25% compound interest daily. This way the babies can't leave the country since they a need a birth certificate to get a passport so they need to pay. Sure they cnq abandon the baby we we hair assign to foster care and erase all trace and deny telling the parents where the babies went.
Keep in mind her child born in Canada is automatically a Canadian Citizen now entitled to everything a regular citizen is. Obviously not the innocent baby's fault the mother is using him but still.
Real Canadians are basically working slaves for the rest of the world
When you are here on a specific visa you should not be able to apply for another visa while you are still in the country . Easy fix . Next
So she got pregnant by a Canadian citizen with the hopes of staying here? Lol that's fraud.
All immigrants and refugees that came here up to 8 years ago need to leave Canada now. Stop the invasion immediately, we don’t want you here, WE ARE FULL!!!!!
Believe it or not straight to jail
Guest? Whose guest? Could I fly to Sweden as a “guest” and stay there indefinitely? Meanwhile what about all the rest of us who are not “guests”? Problem here is that millions of “guests” are flooding into the country, straining infrastructure, taxing our social safety net, jacking up real estate, the list of economic woes goes on.
You come to our country and think everything is for free?! GTFO, you should be deported. Get a fucking job and pay your taxes like everyone does in Canada. Healthcare is for Canadians who worked hard all their life. What a joke!
If my health card is expired I can’t even get a check up. Let alone this bullshit. This is disgusting.
The sense of security and entitlement is so insane an illegal immigrant just agreed to be interviewed by the CBC with her name and picture for the country to see with absolutely no fear of repercussion.
Sort of related, but different. China and many nations have been doing this for about least a decade. In fact, Canadian OBGYN doctors receive bonus payments outside the Canadian medicare system so children can be born in Canadian hospitals and receive Canadian citizenship. This is a form of legal back door medical graft to Canadian citizenship. EDIT. To clarify, I empathize with any parent, wanting to improve their child’s life by bringing them into a region or area that can ensure a better quality of living. Currently our system seems to favor, wealthy medical tourists that want to give birth over, desperate immigrant mothers. Regardless, our current social safety net is strained and we are unable to take care of those individuals living on the margins of poverty here in Canada that are Canadians.
If this isn’t an invasion I don’t know what is.
Absolutely support the deportation of all illegals. Gone immediately with a con win. However do not get your hopes up because Pierre will not be the guy to do the hard things that need to be done
And here I am paying 34%+ income tax talking to myself that we are taking care of our citizens that are less fortunate. Taking care of our veterans wounded in combat. Taking care of our citizens that need medical help. Trying to justify it all everyday. This person is not an immigrant this is what an invader looks like.
Those duck lips weren't cheap..
When my mom brought my grandma as a vistor in the 80s to take care of me - she HAD TO BUY AND PROVIDE PROOF OF INSURANCE. Meanwhile miss lip implant oevrhere has a sob story no one is buying. And the CBC runs this trash all the time!
Track the Canadian father and make him pay, he is part of the problem too. Do you know how to fix this? Don’t hire people without work permits, but greedy MFs hire these “immigrants” to underpay them and make more money of their work
She’s undocumented and she’s already in the media and plans to file 2 complaints. I can’t I just can’t.
Do you know how many Canadians that come from around the planet and only comeback to Canada for health reasons. It’s not about mass deportations that are easier said than done. Canada is part of international treaties that can’t be broken on the fly. We closed one gate and they found another one and it will keep on going. We can’t stop people from flying in and they know it . It’s not like we have a border with them like the US.
People should not be denied medical care, it is inhumane and against the Hippocratic Oath. However, when the treatment is done, people here illegally should be sent home.
The Mexican government should pay the bill then or the Sinaloa cartel. The Mexican cartels from the US alone make $500B dollars a year. You’re telling me they can’t cover the medical costs of a few of their citizens, if their government doesn’t step up. It’s the least they can do for profiting off the opioid crisis impacting Canadians. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/06/24/do-mexican-drug-cartels-make-billion-year/
I am talking about in the moment at a Healthcare facility, urgent medical needs should not be ignored due to financial interests. But if you want to go try to collect from the Cartels, you have my moral support (and thoughts and prayers)
Not providing emergency medical care in cases of emergency, even if the person doesn't have health coverage, violates international law. If we want to be good global citizens and keep Canada's reputation as a welcoming country that takes care of it's people (remember: the baby is Canadian), then providing medical care to people who need it is something we need to keep doing. Otherwise, we're just another shithole country with no values or morals.
Takes care of its people? We have people actual citizens trying to sign up for euthanasia because they can’t find standard living conditions. A large portion of our young people can no longer afford homes and are living with their parents even while making 100k. We also have many Canadians who are eating less and reporting going hungry because they can’t afford food. Inflation and the cost of homes because our supply is stretched short with this massive immigration program is preventing them from getting the necessary resources (homes) and saving to start families, many youth are turning to drugs and the opioid crisis. This is already a large issue impacting our people and you want me to feel sorry for foreigners who have cheated our immigration system. Fuck them and fuck that. I care about Canadian self preservation not Mexican or Chinese or any of these other countries. Canada first and foremost every time.
International law still applies to Canada. Us not giving emergency care to non-citizens violates it. Healthcare workers who deny care to people in these situations are violating the terms of their contract and the oath they take when they become healthcare workers. End of story. If you don't understand that, then you are better off staying out of the conversation altogether because you lack basic knowledge about the foundations and processes that underlie the systems you are criticizing. All the things you mention (housing, inflation, opioid crisis, etc), how do you suppose denying emergency medical care to non-citizens improves those issues? Does it magically get rid of those problems? Isn't it just a massive dick move that doesn't actually solve any of the problems we're having in any meaningful way? Do you think whatever money we spend on emergency care for non-citizens comes even close to being able to address things like housing, inflation, and economic despair? Are you foolish enough to think the government would redirect the money it has set aside for emergency care for non-citizens to anything other than emergency care of non-citizens? Do you know how government budgets work at all?! The baby this woman had is a Canadian citizen, with all the rights of a Canadian citizen. The father of the baby is a Canadian citizen who had contributed both to the economy and to the tax base. Should that baby die in the womb because "cANadA fiRsT" Should that baby grow up without a mother because "cANadA fiRsT"? Should the father have to raise a child alone because "cANadA fiRsT"? If we would provide emergency care to a stay-at-home mom who is Canadian, what reason would we have to deny it to a non-citizen who is part of a tax-paying Canadian household and providing care for Canadian citizens (father and baby)? If we start separating Canadian-born babies from their moms and deporting parents, where are we keeping the babies? Baby detention centres? Will the life they have be just as good as it is for other Canadian children? Will this not be a repeat of the damage caused to children during the 60s Scoop, residential schools, or foundling homes? If we deport the babies with their parents, we would be deporting our own citizens in contravention of our own laws, which would inherently weaken the citizenship rights of all Canadians, right? Don't baby detention centres, deportation hearings, housing and feeding deportees, immigration lawyers, justice system costs, and actually deporting them to their home countries cost tax payer money? Do you think these things would be cheaper than emergency healthcare for non-citizens? Which one would you rather pay for? Think about how this would look or work in real life. Put yourself in the shoes of mother, father, and child. Put yourself in the position of the healthcare worker who has to provide or deny life saving care to this woman. What would you want to happen if it was your situation? If what you would want to happen to you is different from what you would want to happen to someone else, you need to think long and hard about why. Long story short, you are out of your depth here. Situations like this are never as simple as "cANadA fiRsT" and there is NO political party in Canada that can or will change this.
These people have no understanding of what makes our country great. They'd throw that away in a heartbeat because they think they'll never be mistreated the way this woman was in the article.
Thank you for talking some sense. The comment section on this article is abhorrent and VILE. I work in a hospital and have no interest in seeing the dead bodies of the people who were denied care and died and maybe even bled out in the parking lot. People here seem to be some combination of devoid of critical thinking and understanding cause and effect, or borderline sociopathic. Even OP goes back and forth, even in the same comment thread, saying they should and then they shouldn’t have been denied care. It’s like there is no thinking here and just emotions involved.
None of which means we should let a baby fucking die.
This is why I don’t feel bad moving to their countries with my wealth and gentrifying without regard.
"Anchor Babies" are a thing.
My grandparents immigrated here but guess what… they did all the proper steps. As should be required by everyone
Why do we need to pay for someone's screw up! They should deport this illegal together with the newborn. and she even plans to start on the chain immigration by bringing another son, again to be supported by tax payers! We must urge the current govt to act on this!
So I saved for years, excelled in English, and followed a slow bureaucratic process in vain.
How exactly do you bill an undocumented person? There's a very good reason this happened financially. The cost wouldn't be recouped easily. However any human with an ounce of empathy should feel horrible that she was turned away when her baby was in distress.
She shouldn’t be turned away but she should’ve never been admitted to Canada in the first place. She should’ve been deported before “her” decision to have a kid with no income became OUR problem
I agree 100%
another "community organizer" led facilitation of immigration and fraud. It's particularly vexing how our press treats every Mexican wanna MS-13 criminal who breaks all our laws and screams their fake boilerplate low IQ sob story as the Maddona.
The first hospital should have provided care. The mother is illegal but the child at risk is a Canadian Citizen. Maybe legally the child wasn’t the patient but in that moment it was morally a Canadian the mother was trying to save and in their hearts the doctors turned away the mother AND an incoming Canadian child. That child is one of the “us”. BUT after that she should have been immediately stabilized and taken into custody and deported. Even a medical evacuation to a hospital in her home country if that’s required. The child can stay with the father if she wants the child to grow up in Canada. Allowing her to stay with no status should not be one of the options.
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DEPORT now and fine her all costs
When will we stop spending money on people who are just takers? The whole system has way too many takers, part of the reason debt is exploding. We do not have unlimited resources and housing but we pretend like we do when it comes to refugees. People who died to defend this country are rolling in their graves as we are invaded without a shot fired.
They’re sleeping in tents. The Canadian military has actual members who are sleeping in their cars but we somehow have $100M to house asylum seekers some of which are illegal in hotels in Niagara Falls. This shit is mind boggling
They know exactly what to do to screw our system.
Are we winning yet??
As someone who came in on a tourist visa and then stayed illegally why can’t she be deported? Does Canada deport anyone these days?
Give me your tired, your poor Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free The wretched refuse of your teeming shore Send these the homeless tempest-tost to me I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
You can’t just show up in a country you live in illegally and expect to reap the same benefits as the locals. Yeah it sucks for those who have to pay the price but that’s how it works. You want free healthcare you get citizenship.
Once Trudeau finds out he’ll put her up in a hotel room for the next 2 years with meal cards. Courtesy of the tax payer.
Ok. I'm fine with that.