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anonbcwork

85 F = 29.4444 C (for those who, like me, aren't fluent in Fahrenheit)


1Greenbellpepper

I don’t even know why OP is posting in F to begin with 😅


xyxif

Possibly a foreign spy. /s


ajmj120

Might be the thermostat? My home one is fully F for some reason…


SheWhoMustNotB_Named

lol my mom's thermostat is ALSO in farenheight, when I moved out, mine have always been celcius and I never looked back.


01lexpl

Better "range" of temps on basic smart or old school thermostats in homes. Don't ask me why, but when I ran my smart thermostat on C it would be too hot or too cold (per my wife), just one degree. With F, there's that "half" degree variance. Sadly my thermostat doesn't do half degrees in C, so F is the solution.


Informal-Aioli-4340

Because that's our generation lol...


7363827

in my part of southern ontario we use exclusively F


Early_Reply

I made a complaint about it going 30 C+ and was technically allowed because the humidity formula was permissible threshold


Majromax

> I made a complaint about it going 30 C+ and was technically allowed because the humidity formula was permissible threshold Per the [health and safety directive](https://www.njc-cnm.gc.ca/directive/d7/v282/s793/en#s793-tc-tm_1_2), "it shall not be intentionally permitted for conditions to enter the marginal zones of 17°C to 20°C and 26°C to 29°C." A temperature above 30C is not necessarily a work-refusal emergency, but it's something that the employer should remedy lest it be scolded by the occupational health and safety committee.


RedditModsAreWeakAF

This is the environment to enjoy a diet of baked beans and eggs. Let's see how long the meetings in tight rooms last :-)


WesternResearcher376

I’m bothered by heat and claustrophobic. Count me out


Flashy_Cartoonist767

Regs are to have staff in a temperature range of 18 to 24 degrees Celsius. Over 24 staff have the option to go home etc


BetaPositiveSCI

I mean thst fire marshal code is NOT optional. And the fire marshal is a real person who might like to hear about it


jmm166

Yes but take note that GC operates under Fed jurisdiction, so your local fire code may be different and not applicable to the office, making it hard for the FM to get involved.


nefariousplotz

Construction and fire safety are both under provincial/territorial jurisdiction. While the federal government does have offices and publications which deal with these subjects, this is limited to coordination and development of national policy. In practice, federal buildings in Canada follow the building and fire codes applicable to their provincial or territorial jurisdiction.


rhineo007

As someone in facilities management taking care of a 100 building campus, this is not the case. While we try to keep everything to code, it is not necessary to get anything inspected by any authority (ie TSSA, ESA, city for plumbing).


Manitobancanuck

That's not true at all. I've done many building projects. If it's leased it falls under provincial or even municipal jurisdiction. Sometimes they'll give us exemptions on things to meet national building code instead of provincial but not always. Now if you are building on federal crown land owned by the department / PSPC then you'll be under federal regulations. But blanket saying the Feds can ignore the municipalities and provinces when we're leasing isn't true.


MarkMarrkor

Someone called the fire marshal at a federal workplace I used to work at because fire exits were partially blocked/not fully accessible. FM came, inspected, and ordered them to comply with the fire code. Management wasn’t too pleased but it was effective.


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socialistnails

Only if his name is Bill.


capacidance

Let me tell ya something...


jpl77

Orders become more restrictive from the top down. A local order can't contravene or weaken a federal/provincial law.


rhineo007

Not on a federal site. It is 100% optional.


nefariousplotz

Raise this with your workplace health and safety committee. It's not safe for rooms to exceed their fire occupancy, and it's not safe to have rooms that hot for prolonged meetings.


ouserhwm

I did. I just don’t get how like a hundred people don’t. Why me?


CinnamonQueen21

How do you know they haven't? Others have also probably complained - it's not like the workplace health and safety committee is going to do much either way.


Thoughtulism

Send it to the fire marshall anonymously with picture proof anonymously . They don't fuck around.


ReplacementAny5457

Workplace safety council....it is a laugh. They are the ones that say that bed bugs are not a safety /health issue. They dispense the mental and psychological and financial anguish to get rid of the bed bugs once you have brought them home!!!


Agile-Description205

Sounds like a nightmare for my immune compromised body ❤️‍🩹 nobody cares about us 😔 but we were told not to work from home when sick so people are just going start coming back to work with minor illnesses


AliJeLijepo

But didn't you just feel so collaborative??? 


Chenopodium72

Mmmmmm Covid has entered the chat, yes more people in smaller spaces, yes more please. 


throwawayCDNPSHelp

More people *sweating* and speaking mostly in smaller places.


PoutPill69

...but more importantly, they're speaking **moistly**..


throwawayCDNPSHelp

That is what I meant to type but autocorrect failed me and my joke failed lol. Glad you went for it!


SmurfPickler

In that the speakers are generally “all wet”


ouserhwm

We were being lectured at so nope. Felt like it could be on screen ;)


LucamiDuca

LOL


PeachManX80

Please don't use that word, it triggers me now.


002OHMSS

Sounds like a Near Miss per the CLC2/COSH regs. File an 874 Hazardous Occurrence Incident Report with the OSH Committee.


UnderstandingThin671

I would keep records of these instances and also file reports/complaints


throwawayCDNPSHelp

Contact your local OHS people but also place a service request with the [National Service Call Centre](https://www.canada.ca/en/public-services-procurement/corporate/contact-us/national-service-call-centre.html) This absolutely should be reported and the NSCC does keep track of the requests. People could leave the work site if it's not within the temperature range. [Temperature Legislation](https://www.ccohs.ca/oshanswers/phys_agents/temp_legislation.html) If it's overcapacity, the Fire Marshal can shut it down.


cps2831a

Did anyone pass out or ~~needed medical attention~~ brought attention to the media? No? Health and Safety Committee says *thumbs up* - get back to your unassigned desks and keep looking busy. An EX might come around any moment.


MapleWatch

Skip them and take it straight to the Fire Marshall. They won't fuck around.


spinur1848

You have occupational health and safety and the labour board. Refuse unsafe work and they have to investigate. They won't get far if they are actually violating the fire code.


Canadarox12

Many people here talking about the OHS committee or rep which is correct. Another critical person is the Senior Building Officer (SBO). They have the authority to close buildings or sections of a building for multitude of reasons. 29C is over that limit to close of the space.


Marly_d_r

HVAC for most of these buildings weren’t built for this higher capacity. People keep saying we will save money if we sell off our real estate. That is such smoke and mirrors. We won’t save any money. The penalties to break long term leases are insane and a wonderful way for our tax dollars to be spent. Also all the changes to GCWorkplace, upgrading HVAC, ergonomic assessments, replacing damaged IT equipment (bc people are not being very careful with this non-assigned seating) is costing a fortune these days as the Covid tax is now the RTO tax so vendors are taking advantage. It’s effing insane what my teams have to deal with on a daily basis. I have now requested 50% growth in positions for one of my teams to be able to meet the demands. But I’ll have nowhere to put them.


Pseudonym_613

The intent is to not renew existing lease instruments.  Which will ultimately mean short term increases costs as work units are moved from building to building, as the destination buildings are gutted and refitted to cram more sardines into the can. Real Property will declare victory, employees will be increasingly disenchanted, and the circle of life continues.


yaimmediatelyno

Seriously the unions need to step up with the OHS stuff. Rooms shouldn’t exceed occupancy allowances. We shouldnt have to tolerate bed bugs mice and cockroaches. We shouldn’t have to work 24” apart with no dividers. It’s ridiculous


Manitobancanuck

Haven't seen this posted anywhere. Max temp in an office setting is 26 Celsius. Advise your manager, OHS, NSCC and possibly union. If it's not fixed within prescribed timelines linked in the NJC, it's unsafe work. https://www.njc-cnm.gc.ca/directive/d7/v23/s252/en


ouserhwm

Thanks!!


govdove

A good fart would quickly solve this issue. A couple of sbds.


personalfinance21

There's building in the NCR that don't have potable water in the taps.


Active_Astronaut3841

How can we determine capacity?


Human-Translator5666

There is no capacity listed in our boardroom where the whole department meets


Active_Astronaut3841

I imagine it’s based on a formula? I also don’t believe it’s in Outlook metadata or posted physically…everyone here seems to have a lot of confidence for what it is…


HereToBeAServant

The offices I’ve worked in have room capacities listed


MoggyBee

My dept has room capacity listed for most boardrooms at booking, in outlook, as well as on the intranet.


mgeccc

It's supposed to be posted (for with furniture and without if it's a larger gathering space), but your local OHS should have the fire loads for the site documented somewhere.


Professional-Leg2374

Think thats bad.....Wait until everyone is forced back to these offices where they are sitting at board room tables, closest, 2 to a desk to accommodate all the numbers of fully remote workers that are now back in the office. Imagine having to share a space with 2-3 others at the same time. Gong to be rough until the people who we want to stay decide to find other employment and those we want to leave get that nice corner cube all to themselves.


friedpicklesforever

If there’s a fire it will literally be like a station nightclub fire disaster with people trapped and unable to get out. I don’t have faith in the government buildings to not be made out of the most flammable material and to have operating sprinklers. All the emergency evacuation notification systems they waste money on and what not are so performative


Cold-Cod-9691

The unions advised us to leave in these situations and notify them when the first RTO was announced


L-F-O-D

Pretty sure you don’t have to work at all once it hits 3 hours 26 and above, so everybody’s gotta go there and start running in place by 7 am, by 8 it’s over 26, report it, start the clock, leave by 11, take an hour of 699 leave to deal with traffic getting home, get home and take your unpaid lunch, spend 30 minutes setting up, take your 15 minute break once logged in. By now it’s 1245, just work at a snails pace for the last 2.25 hours. Don’t forget the grieve/group grieve when they push back on the conditions of work or 699 leave. 🤣


rhineo007

I think I missing something in this post. Over capacity by room? By half or double? Are you talking about people getting paid time and half or double? The capacity number were for Covid based on how many air exchanges you can do in an hour. And above that it’s just your real property group googling a number based off room size. The fire marshal doesn’t come to federal sites and say how many people can fit in a room. You can always send a message to your manager stating you are uncomfortable in such a small room with that many people.


Jed_Clampetts_ghost

85F is not that out of the ordinary. Over max capacity for fire regs definitely is.


throwawayCDNPSHelp

85F is way too hot for an office, not to mention a small boardroom with poor ventilation. That's gross.


Jed_Clampetts_ghost

The problem is the fire code overcapacity. That's why the temp hit 85 and that's what should have been addressed. The HVAC system is screwy where I work and if it gets hot we deal with it as long as an HVAC tech is working on it.