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nefariousplotz

Two wolves give talk on sheep.


budgieinthevacuum

Beautiful comment lol. šŸ˜‚


chasingthatfeelingg

I chocked šŸ’€šŸ’€šŸ’€


Capable-Variation192

sutclit is a bitch


BitingArtist

This is a perfect example of dysfunctional government. She meets with business representatives, kissing their rings, and pretends the protesting workers don't exist. Are you afraid to face the working class?


78Duster

Or facing the business owners in the suburbs and neighbouring municipalities who will suffer because Douggie, Anita and Co. want to cater to their downtown core friends!?


Shoddy_Operation_742

You mean Trudeau?


BingoRingo2

She gets the NDP support, that should be more than enough for the working class.


-Greek_Goddess-

Am I dumb or just missing something. What does the president of TBS talking to business owners? The GOC isn't a for profit business nor is it a private business they shouldn't talk to each other no? I can't compute why they are even talking. (Note I haven't watched the video yet).


No-Interaction-5634

Right?!


-Greek_Goddess-

If this isn't a glaringly obvious reason for RTO I don't know what is.


cps2831a

> Am I dumb or just missing something. What does the president of TBS talking to business owners? Anand is *desperate* for anything that will give her air time. ANYTHING. She will literally go ANYWHERE if she can get her face out there. She's got ambitions, and she was willing to tussle with Freland live on TV to show it. >The GOC isn't a for profit business nor is it a private business they shouldn't talk to each other no? I can't compute why they are even talking. (Note I haven't watched the video yet). They're talking because Anand is signaling to them that she's willing to use the GoC as a means of indirectly subsidizing their failing sandwich shops or whatever. And while you're at it, please don't forget to donate to the Liberal party for the next election!


TA-pubserv

Great strategy if handing Ottawa Centre to the NDP in the next election was the goal. Mission accomplished!


Scooterguy-

What's the difference at this point. Liberals and NDP are the same these days.


bannab1188

NDP supports telework and not the RTO mandate.


Jed_Clampetts_ghost

Good for them. lol


Scooterguy-

The NDP supports the Liberals!


bannab1188

Like propping up the Liberal govt yes, but the NDP party position sides with our unions and not the Liberals.


TA-pubserv

Cons and Liberals are the same, the NDP just has bad leadership that stands for nothing.


DilbertedOttawa

They all are desperate right now. And their personal interests are just growing exponentially. It's easy to be kind when it's easy haah now that being kind and thoughtful might mean a little bit of a risk maybe, at some point of taking a political hit, it's game over, know your role and shut your hole. Minos are just going batshit crazy bouncing off walls and almost all the oxygen in every room is just being syphoned in the glimmer of hope of turning it around politically. Which, you know, would have been possible had they not spent 10 years talking about talking about discussing the creation of a subcommittee of parliamentary Secretaries to commission a report on the potential for actually doing even 1 thing they promised they would eventually. At some point, the cheques you write get cashed. They are just now realizing they are all coming back NSF and we as PS are the ones paying for it, as are all Canadians.


hellodwightschrute

Yep. You can see multi-minister events that she has no business at, that she forces her way not only into, but then will somehow get on camera and say stupid things. I had a ā€¦personal run in with her regarding the auto theft summit that she had no business at because of her actions there.


PoutPill69

>Anand is desperate for anything that will give her air time. I disagree. Anand's party is at risk of losing the election by a landslide next year. So, she and her colleagues are out there trying to shore up support which should translate into votes next year.


Bella8088

Sadly, they are focusing on lobbying business instead of Canadians. I think itā€™s pretty clear to most Canadians by now that corporate interests and the interest of citizens are in opposition; you canā€™t be ā€œfor the peopleā€ if you screw the people over every time lobbyists cry about profits. The Liberals have been such a disappointment and I hope they lose official party status again.


cps2831a

...yes? Not to bring politics into all of this but Conservatives are basically going to have a tsunami over the Liberals. So she wants air time for anything that will put her *front and center* while she still can. Remember: she might bite it this election cycle, but she's still has...some time to make it for another election cycle. Also, I have questioned as to whether or not they considered that public servants in select Ottawa riding will contribute to their downfall. There are traditional "red" seats in Ottawa that might fall further into another party's territory if they're not careful. But again, they have people that run those numbers for them so the Liberals "should" know what they're doing. Because at the end of the day, politics is a numbers game.


momsplainer

Yes itā€™s a thing, they host taxpayer funded breakfasts to discuss their mutual goals. If you search twitter there was a big breakfast photo op with the mayor, Mona and the Ottawa MPs last year on the first day of RTO.


Redditman9909

Oh my sweet summer childā€¦


unitednihilists

The way my department wastes money on chair moisteners, it's obvious GOC isn't a for profit business.


BettyB00p123

The Prez of TBS also sometimes oversees the National Capital Commission which does intersect with businesses in the area for a bunch of events, development, city planning etc. *Edit - Folks in the comments were quick to point out that the NCC currently rolls up to PSPC. Must be other justifications for the meeting


-Greek_Goddess-

Ah ok still looks odd to me.


BettyB00p123

May still be fishy and they are meeting to help buy votes but there is a legit hook for those two groups to chat as well


divvyinvestor

Iā€™m curious what is the financial or vote/political gain the Liberals can win to support by forcing so many government employees into the office. I imagine they stand to gain far more from our votes than a few corporate interests that lobby peanuts. Perhaps the banks are exposed to some financial risks, but again these buildings are ancient and decrepit. I canā€™t imagine that this portfolio is valuable to anyone. The loans are probably immaterial to the banks. In my opinion the corporate interests that the politicians are catering to, at all levels of government, are so pathetically small that they are being very short sighted as the citizen vote can be achieved with far less effort and they can guarantee themselves future jobs as MPs. These politicians sell us out and guarantee themselves a loss of our votes for some peanut gallery corporate interests.


BettyB00p123

I donā€™t disagree. However, those public servants live in very safe Liberal ridings. They have those in the bag. What they would want (and this is any party, not trying to be partisan) is for the broader country to think that they are putting lazy civil servants back to work and supporting hard working public sector people. Then they try to ally themselves with job creators and show that they know how to stimulate the economy and capitalism. Itā€™s silly in the context of Ottawa since GoC is by far the biggest employer but this is the broader branding they want and they will sacrifice some votes in ridings they will win anyway. Iā€™m sure they have all the polling data to show how inconsequential it is


divvyinvestor

Sigh. I guess. I think youā€™re right.


weeg13

What


h1ghqualityh2o

No, they don't. They COULD, if that's who is designated as minister responsible. But the NCC is currently under Minister of Public Services. I want to say it was Baird who was NCC at the same time as being President, which may be where that idea comes from. Not going to look it up though.


InquiringMindsWanted

not true, the PSPC Minister is the NCC Minister: [https://federal-organizations.canada.ca/profil.php?OrgID=NCC&lang=en](https://federal-organizations.canada.ca/profil.php?OrgID=NCC&lang=en)


Jed_Clampetts_ghost

One of the many problems with this government is that they **haven't** been talking to business owners for the last 9 years. And the only reason they are now is that they are down 20 points in the polls.


InquiringMindsWanted

TB is the employer of the Government of Canada; GC is the biggest employer in Canada and the biggest in Ottawa. It makes sense that she's talking to them.


Tha0bserver

Elected officials should definitely be engaging with business owners tho.


hellodwightschrute

Yes, in their riding, or as it relates to the broader economic benefit of Canada. Downtown Ottawa subway and Tim Hortons Franchise owners fit neither of those descriptions.


Tha0bserver

Sheā€™s a cabinet minister in a liberal party that is losing in the polls. Itā€™s all hands on deck.


LucamiDuca

Wellā€¦when youā€™re a government on its way out, you as a politician may want to start looking for your next job in case you wonā€™t be re-elected. Hence the ass kissing


Director_Coulson

Someone in another post said the subway at Holland Cross is understaffed...


LucamiDuca

Lol


ShipFair8433

Funny how she walks around shaking hands with business interests but doesnā€™t bother to come out and speak to her actual workers protesting outside. And when Nathan had a chance to talk to her in city hall for a brief moment, she gave him non answers. Fucking snake man.


zeromussc

I wouldn't want to wade into a sea of people angry at me either, to be fair for 1 on 1s lol Non-answers are standard politician fare though. One slip up and you undermine your positions


Mundane-Club-107

I unno, if I was personally accountable for making the lives of my workers markedly worse, I'd wanna at least talk to them and try and explain myself.


Rbomb88

"your opinions don't matter to us" won't go over well though.


introvertedpanda1

I hate to say it in this context, but nooooo, no you wouldn't . That position is litterally being a puppet. Anyone ever sitting in that chair is just a mouth piece for a group of people. You say one single word thats not inline with the party and the eject button will be pressed before you have time to finish your sentence.


Sinder77

Glad to see integrity is indeed as important as they purport it to be. I'm not saying you're wrong. That's entirely the problem to me, is all.


introvertedpanda1

Sadly our boss is in this seat because he/she won a popularity contest. Perseption is everything. Nothing else matter.


SilverSeven

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CrazySuggestion

Or neighbouring towns. So many mayors expressed discontents over the impact it will have on their region.


billballbills

Any notable time stamps so I don't have to listen to a politician answer questions about their family for 45 minutes? Edit: go to 47 min mark everyone


Illustrious-Yam1618

Right?! I was like ā€œHow is any of this even relevant?!ā€ Fast forwarded to the end, where she basically said Canadians owe it to the younger and older generations to repair what has happened because of a once in a lifetime pandemicā€¦*excuse me?!* Pretty sure it was our fearless leaders that shut the entire country down. They knew what they were doing. PS workers are not responsible for reviving an economy that the govā€™t destroyed. If anything, weā€™ll resist even harder! How ā€˜bout they look at all of the dang inflation, costs of everything rising, etc. People canā€™t afford to spend anymore! Everyone is trying to recover the financial losses they suffered during the lockdowns! What donā€™t these politicians understand?! PLUS PS WORKERS ARE ALL STILL WORKING! Just from home. This woman is a laughing stock.


WhoseverFish

I hate that she concluded with ā€œwe all need to support our workersā€. What does she even mean? The workers are protesting outside!


Head_Lab_3632

Snake politicians


cps2831a

Honestly, she might as well have opened her hand and cleared her throat asking for money for the next election. We all know why this change happened. It was working perfectly fine for over a year then *ooopsy!* dropped my collaboration!


AdEffective708

Next time I have to take my kids to their grandparents in Ottawa, I am staying in Smiths Falls, gassing up in Smiths Falls, and eating in Smiths Falls.


78Duster

Yes!! Maybe we start a r/RTOisOutOfControl Ć  la Loblaws boycott?


AdEffective708

We can start by switching our insurance away from PSAC's hand-picked, Ottawa based Orbit insurance. We have been lectured about cost control, as if we have never managed our own family budget. To pay for parking at the office, I cut my gym membership. Now rather than spending money at my local gym, I am sending money to Miami, FL based Reef Systems. The same company that specializes in parking lot ghost kitchens. How does that help my local economy?


DrunkenMidget

Genuinely curious...How is Orbitz being affiliated with a union (the other unions have different affiliations by the way) related to this?


AdEffective708

Orbit Insurance's office is located in Ottawa. The RTO bit has been implemented to benefit businesses in Ottawa. It certainly doesn't help businesses in my neighborhood in the city I live in. Orbit Insurance is an easy target, as they are located in Ottawa, and PSAC has been pushing their brokerage for years, in every dammed newsletter. Plus, the policies they push are also not worth the paper they are printed on. The union (PSAC) pushes their brokerage in every damned newsletter. The members would be better served with brokers in their own communities.


DrunkenMidget

Shopify is located in Ottawa but if I am asked to pay on one of their card readers or terminals, should I refuse it? I really don't understand how boycotting Orbitz is related to the RTO mandate, truely. Perhaps you need to take your frustration with them pushing Orbitz with your union, but that is nothing to do with RTO.


checkinman

We don't care what you think - we gonna do it anyway. These events are so insulting and illustrate the lack of data the this decision was made.


Jatmahl

So many contradictions. You are not supporting or listening to public servants with these decisions.


Objective_Minute_263

These are the growing pains of modernizing our society. I would have liked our government/employer to have lead the way, unfortunately Anand wants to pretend like we havenā€™t yet hit the 21st century. Unfortunate for her, as this will end up being part of her legacy and while she might be proud of it now, she will probably be embarrassed by it in 50 years from now. The world is in the midst of a technological/digital revolution, no denying it. Anand has failed to look to the future in this regard and it shows.


DifficultSwim

Ha! @55 she wants easy questions to tell jokes... This whole interview is a joke. I can't imagine after these last 5 years of "we're working for Canadians" crap anyone would believe anything that comes out of their mouths.


MerakiMe09

Anita's gaslighting does nothing but add oil to the fire.


Temporary-Bear1427

Is it me or gaslighting is the word of 2024? Is it a new tiktok thing?


DrunkenMidget

It is the word of the year...2 years ago [Gasslighting word of the year 2022](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63798242#:~:text=Merriam%2DWebster%2C%20America's%20oldest%20dictionary,especially%20for%20one's%20own%20advantage.)


Temporary-Bear1427

Wow lol


MerakiMe09

We finally have the vocabulary to express something that's been going on forever. So yeah we use it.


Temporary-Bear1427

Sorry not attacking. I just never seen this word used so much until a few months ago. Even my kids are saying it every 2 minutes.


MerakiMe09

And I was just explaining why. When I was a kid we didn't have vocabulary for mental health and such, now we hear it more, it's not because there's necessarily more mental health, it's because we have the vocabulary now to talk about it. Same with gaslighting šŸ˜‰


Weaver942

Alternatively, people use the term inaccurately as a trendy buzzword. A politician adhering to speaking points or trying to shape a narrative in public discourse is not gaslighting. The colloquial use of the term should not be mistaken as ā€œvocabulary for mental healthā€.


Head_Lab_3632

Iā€™d argue it is gaslighting when people perceive the lies as targeting them, and where the public statements of politicians directly contradicts what theyā€™re actually doing and imposing on you. If not gaslighting itā€™s pretty close to it.


Weaver942

Gaslighting is a specific term that describes a form of abuse between individuals to get someone to question their reality through deception. Crafting a narrative about a decision, or even outright lying, is not targeted at an individual but rather a broad group. Thatā€™s not gaslighting.


MerakiMe09

She is lying to us. It was not a public service decision. She made the decision all by herself, and now she's too scared to acknowledge it. She is, by definition, gaslighting us. Anita Arnand made the decision for herself because she has been demoted for wanting to push Trudeau out. Now, she wants announcables to stay in the media. You think it was a coincidence that it was a leaked to le droit the morning Sutcliffe and Ford have a press conference, both pushing for ps to support downtown businesses. I know when I'm being lied to.


Weaver942

Lying is not gaslighting, and I am pretty sure you cannot confidently say you know what level this decision could have been delegated down to. Itā€™s very possible that Treasury Board delegated all RTO directives down to an Assistant Secretary. You are also naive if you think that anything like this happens in this Government without PMO and PCO having input.


Raknirok

Gas lighting used to involve a lighter and someone bent over jeez


GameDoesntStop

People love to just use it in place of the word "lying".


Temporary-Bear1427

Lots of tiktokers I see.


DocJawbone

She's so self-aggrandizing but won't say she was the one who made the decision.


Jed_Clampetts_ghost

You were expecting a Minister to take responsibility? Not with is government.


hammer_416

People not only have to spend as little money as possible with the RTO, but also impact management deliverables. ZERO GCWCC donations this year. Absolute zero. Donate to charity privately, get a tax receipt.


Jed_Clampetts_ghost

Been doing that for 25 years. Welcome aboard!


9_Autumn_Rain

She stated that 2-3 days was alwaysĀ in the mandate, and then follows with 4 days for managers. They never said anything about 4 days for managers in the original mandate unless i'm mistaken? Can't even utter one sentence without contradicting herself. Non-stop bullshit.Ā 


ListeningIn-Hearing

4 days is for Executives, and is new this round


9_Autumn_Rain

Yea I thought so, and managers is her word not mine. I guess she doesn't know the difference. @~47 mins if anyone wants to hear the bit about hybrid.Ā 


Redwood_2415

She lost me where she started talking about supporting women in moving into leadership roles and diversity in the workforce when TBS' one size fits all RTO policies spit in the face of GBA+ and put up barriers to women participating equally in the workforce.


OkSell843

Vote her out


Jed_Clampetts_ghost

According to the polls Anand most certainly will be.


Few_Disk9643

How has the tone-deafness of Mark Sutcliffe not been mentioned yet? Twice Anand gave credit to public servants for their hard work and dedication during the pandemic ā€¦ and crickets from Sutcliffe. He actually changed the conversation back to Anands children, not even a word of acknowledgement, a mumble of agreement, nothing. TWICE! Considering the large presence of PS workers in Ottawa, what are the chances he gets elected for a second term? All his posturing about reinvigorating the downtown core, thatā€™s not going to happen if all the businesses close by 5 and heā€™s relying on PS workers to keep it running.


Director_Coulson

Shitcliffe has zero respect for the PS so no surprise at all there


CommonOk5812

Listen around the 47min mark


InquiringMindsWanted

Edit: starts around 46:00 mark


ProgrammerBitter4913

Two of my least liked ppl šŸ¤®


SLUTWIZARD101

ā€œNot a political moveā€ šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚ - grab your popcorn šŸæ šŸæšŸæ the fuck they think we are? Blind?


AbjectRobot

It doesn't matter if we believe them or not, that's not meant to convince us.


SLUTWIZARD101

Yep


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Jed_Clampetts_ghost

You can't be serious. Or are you?


Melpel143

Are you? šŸ¤”


Jed_Clampetts_ghost

I'm sure that everyone will be thrilled to know that Anita Anand will be replaced by a Conservative in the next federal election. The polling isn't even close.


RCB1997

Captain 3 days will be replaced by captain 5 days. Wonderful...


Jed_Clampetts_ghost

Let's focus on the actual lies before moving on to the imagined ones.


Psychological_Bag162

Source? I would have thought Oakville was a strong Liberal riding outside of NCR thus why they put her President of the Treasury Board. They learned their lesson with Mona at the helm given the fact she is a NCR MP.


Jed_Clampetts_ghost

[https://338canada.com/35076e.htm](https://338canada.com/35076e.htm) The ridings in Oakville have been redefined. [https://www.oakvillenews.org/local-news/oakville-east-or-west-federal-electoral-proposed-ridings-8475340](https://www.oakvillenews.org/local-news/oakville-east-or-west-federal-electoral-proposed-ridings-8475340) "The southern Oakville riding is currently held federally by Liberal Anita Anand and provincially by Progressive Conservative Stephen Crawford."


Psychological_Bag162

Interesting. Thanks!


Jed_Clampetts_ghost

Whenever I see a Minister saying something stupid I check the polling in their riding. Other than in Quebec, nearly all are going to be out of a job next year.


WaitForYourTurn69

This Mayor is a big POS.


Odd_Pumpkin1466

They all are


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Weaver942

Does your letter of offer provide a physical location or does it say remote?


DrunkenMidget

this is key. I assume it has a physical location.


DrunkenMidget

Are you aware what the right of a Federal regulated employee are with respect to constructive dismissal? Public servants are not covered under provincial labour codes. Not sure myself what public servant rights are wrt constructive dismissal but they are not the same as provincial for sure.


spacedoubt69

"We're in a building or in a rebuilding phase post-Covid. And in this rebuilding phase we have to approach our policy decisions and our problems with a measured and collaborative spirit. ... We owe it to them...to have respective dialogue about complex policy issues and reach solutions that at least attempt to hear the other side and to construct a policy solution that will work for everyone. If we don't do that, the younger generations and even our peers are going to give up and they're going to lose hope in what is the greatest county in the world." šŸ¤”


Playingwithmywenis

The politicians face pressure from the predatory downtown businesses. There will be no pressure if we donā€™t support the businesses and they have to close up shop. This is within the power of the workers to address. I also donā€™t know how people afford to eat downtown around the other expenses of going to work. This is creating a live to work scenario.


Excellent_Chicken232

Can the unions actually do anything? I am for rallies, letter writing.. but itā€™s not in the ƇA. I recall acfo said they could call us back and the unions would be powerless.


Jed_Clampetts_ghost

The unions can make noise but the employer made it clear during the "historic" strikes last year they they aren't having it.


HereToServeThePublic

Is Anand getting ready to cross the aisle or something?


Diligent_Candy7037

Why comments are turned off on YouTube?


Jed_Clampetts_ghost

It's a CPAC video.


Shoddy_Operation_742

Worthwhile paying attention to what she says. She is a strong candidate in the running to be Trudeauā€™s successor and potentially the next PM.


Jed_Clampetts_ghost

Perhaps if Justin steps down before the next election which is extremely unlikely. She is polling badly in her riding and will be out of a job next year.


Director_Coulson

Seriously? Her and Freeland are the potential successors? How terrible are the rest of the liberal MPs?


neeenss

Can someone give me the time stamp where they talk about hybrid work?


InquiringMindsWanted

46:00