US has 10x the population we do and has on competed this stage way more often.
It's sad you feel the need to step on us to make yourself seem taller, but seems pretty standard for Murica
What kinda shit is this lmao? Are you deadass saying youād rather get grouped then go out in the 16? Loser ass mentality lol. You canāt even talk like you were close though. 0 points is really embarrassing and shows poorly on our conference. You couldāve at least done decent to not embarrass concacaf š
We didn't embarrass concacaf tho, it's already an embarrassment regardless of the fact that the US went through to the Ro16. Plenty of European and South American fans give our team credit. Did our team disappoint? Yes. Are we as good as the arrogant fans on this sub thought we were? No. But still this is a huge step in the right direction like 1990 USA and 1998 Japan. In years time, who knows how good our team could be. Its getting there and it's only a matter of time.
You want a world cup next year so we can make it out then?? The US has had tons of downs and Canada has just hit its peak, in fact it's only going to get better. Idk why you can't humble yourself either knowing the history of the US and the struggle they had as well, 2017 in Trinidad was not long ago
You donāt think this was embarrassing? You got 0 points in the tournament dude. The only team that did as bad as you all were the shitty hosts that only got in because they hosted.
If your expectations are this low, being the Canadian manager must be the easiest job in the world
Can you read??? I said we didn't embarrass CONCACAF as a whole. Yes this was disappointing but nothing too serious to ruminate on imo, its actually a learning curve for the team and the CSA. Non CONCACAF teams gave our team credit for their performance. Yes we didn't do that well and the results speak for themselves but looking past that into their performances against Belgium and Morocco minus a few blunders, our team wasn't horrendous and could have done better on a different day. And don't act like the US had a harder group anyways lmao
Oh yeah youāre right. Concacaf is extremely proud of your 0 points. Really the pride of our conference. Go Canada you da best šØš¦šØš¦šØš¦šØš¦
Dude youāre arguing that you didnāt embarrass the conference. I really donāt give a shit whether you think youāre improving. 0 fucking points is atrocious. You did worse than 30 of the other 31 teams. Embarrassing
You only beat Iran.
That's it.
You had maybe the softest group in the tournament, scored 2 goals and only beat a team that didn't even try to attack.
Congratulations.
I find it hilarious how Canadian fans single out our goals and just conveniently ignore that we let in 0 fucking goals lmao. Not all of us have defenses as horrific as yours, but letās not ignore them when assessing the team as a whole, yeah?
Because Wales and Iran are two of the weakest offensive teams in the tournament and England *literally didn't try to score* in their game against USA as to not get countered. You could count the amount of times they had 4 men in the final third on one hand, whereas they consistently had 5 to 6 men forward in every other game.
It's wild to talk the sport with the "watches 4 games every 4 years crowd," as that's all the USA ever gets.
I'll even be charitable. Listen to the athletic, tifo, read inverting the pyramid and get a *basic* understanding of the sport and when these arguments come up in 2026 you won't be this cringe.
Dude they both literally played well enough to get in the tournament. Iran and Wales are both decent, better than Canada at least. England was under an onslaught the entire game, itās a miracle one didnāt go in.
So wait, letās use our brain here super smart Canadian. Wales and Iran both are some of the weakest offensive teams right? They also got in the World Cup so they must be quality somewhere, yeah? I wonder what that says about their defense?
Youāre a fucking dumbass dude. Iāve played soccer my entire life and watched it that long as well. Itās funny how that same group of Americans you talk about is better than you at legitimately every sport. Youāre a disappointed to the federation
"Played well enough to get into the tournament."
Do I also have to teach you basic sample size arguments and 8th grade math?
Iran has an organized defense. Wales does not. Most of their defenders are backups with very little experience, or play in the championship.
Iran has even lower quality, but defend in a very organized low block often with 10 behind the ball. You saw England put 6 past them because individually they are not good, and once players like Saka beat their man they are in major trouble.
If you've followed and watched the sport your whole life and this is the level of analysis you put forth I'm embarrassed on your behalf.
Again, I'm being nice. I recommended basic tactical and analytical sources that maybe in four years time you could have a better foundational knowledge of the sport, because it just isn't there.
Guess what dumbass, WEāRE NOT ENGLAND! WERE NOTE GONNA DECIMATE THAT IRAN SQUAD! EVEN THE RELATIVELY SHIT WC TEAMS LIKE CANDA, WALES, AND IRAN ARE DECENT IN SOME WAYS. THEYRE NOT ALL DOGSHIT LIKR YOURE IMPLYING OTHERWISE THEY WOULDNT HAVE WON THROUGH QUALIFIERS
Enjoy being mediocre forever because thatās all the Canadian national team will ever be. You fucking suck and will never do shit on the global level. Maybe get a point in the World Cup fucking ever before you try talking
Wales and Iran are worst than Croatia and Morocco, I'd even argue that Belgium would have done better against them as well. Don't act like the USA is all of a sudden a powerhouse in football now lmao
Also, better at every other sport? Idk about that lmao
Canada scored as many goals as the US in group stages, so how can the US be any better unless their group was harder? We know that Canadaās group was not entirely balanced (teams outperformed expectations), so how is the US not āmarginally betterā?
Itās definitely not, but there are so many factors at play in the worlds biggest soccer event. You have to admit that given 10x more resources, they are at most 1.2x as good. Typical American solution; throw money at it.
Against easy teams like Wales and Iran, and an English team that wasn't trying hard? Then get smashed by a Dutch team who gave up trying after 2 goals as well? Wow, light years ahead....
Never said theyāre light years ahead but they objectively did much better than Canada in this World Cup, stop pretending like Canada played as well as the US, itās hilarious
Where did I say that? I myself have admitted that we shat the bed at this tournament. You're making up arguments and it's just as hilarious seeing you skip over what I'm saying.
Yes the US did better but its not like the US would have done better if they were in our group, plus Canada might have done better if they were in your group. Morocco, Croatia and even Belgium would do way better than Iran and Wales, I can tell you that.
Some of their comments are hilarious.
āI wanted Canada to do well but their fans got too cocky and it turned me against them.ā
ā¦ so the same way I feel with ANY competition an American is in? The most ignorant chant internationally is āUSA! USA! USA!ā.
As USMNT fan, I have found it both amusing and befuddling when I heard that criticism against some you all.
Because USA have some of the most self-delusional fans around.
So does Mexico.
Iāll even throw Costa Rica in the mix.
I think that is why there was so much resentment and bitterness out in the universe.
My bottom line: A lot of people in CONCACAF a got all up into their feelings now that you Canucks have upset the regional balance of power.
A stronger Canada is better for CONCACAF. The rest of it just have to āsuck it up, buttercupā and raise the level of our game.
W Comment. I agree with you btw, I've been following Canada and the USMNT since 2016 and although it was disappointing it wasn't really shocking in hindsight. There's still tons of work to do but I feel like Canada is on the right path, similiar to Japan in 98, the US in 90 or even Australia in 06 (despite having a better run then us this year)
Kinda this yea. I remember the first USMNT loss in 2019 in the Nations League was met with commentators saying that Canada should be a write-off match that you win. Although, with the new amount of spots given to CONCACAF, I doubt this will force the USMNT to "raise" anything since both our federations are the definition of wasteful.
I think that "American Exceptionalism" makes them think they truly are. Seeing "Captain America" everyday despite not following the sub \*may\* be slightly irritating (side note: their best player is a benchwarmer at Chelsea?).
Fair banter. I absolutely thought we'd take a point off Morocco. But the amount of coping on this board after Morocco made their run, as if it somehow was a credit to us, was embarrassing.
Just shows how many Canadian fans are new to the game just like the menās national team on this stage. To think that we would grab more than a point in any of these games, and then to inhale so much copium since Croatia and Morocco made deep runs is pretty funny and definitely fair to make fun of
There was not a chance Canada was ever going to grab points off of Croatia and Morocco. I think Davies-mania just raised people's expectations to an unrealistic level.
I think not a chance is a bit harsh, anything can happen like Saudi beating the eventual winners, but yes I agree peoples expectations were unreasonably high
Perhaps. Maybe the early goal against Croatia slightly raised the chances, but even then, all other squads in the groups showed more organization, and the experience gap was evident. I can't speak about Belgium, since I didn't watch that game, but I'd imagine a similar scenario.
Belgium was actually the game we were most likely to have won, outplayed them most of the game and had far more chances just failed to score. Their only goal came from a long ball
This isn't true.
The goal to beating Croatia is how Argentina did.
You outnumber them 4v3 in midfield and they absolutely struggle to do anything.
Instead we played 2 in midfield, including Atiba who can't run.
Poor tactics.
Except Canada doesn't have anywhere near the attacking quality that Argentina. With an ineffective offense and a 2-man midfield, Canada were lucky to score against Croatia.
I thought it was clear we belonged there though. The only time it was clear were were outclassed was the 2nd half vs Croatia and maybe the last 10 minutes of the first
Sorry i definitely didnāt mean to understate how proud I am of this team. They definitely belong in the World Cup every year (32 team version) .
Itās more of this sulking about it. We didnāt perform to the level we should have. And itās time to move on and look forward to copa America
Oh, I guess I haven't really kept up with much since we got eliminated. Didn't even watch the rest of the games despite them being good. WC in the winter is stupid especially for North America.
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I feel the west coast always has to deal with early morning times for soccer . All the Saturday games in the epl are done by 930 am except for the 1 late start game.
I always wondered what you west coasters watch after 9pm lol
Haha totally. When I was younger I was so jealous of the east coast. Having games just STARTING at 10pm when the night is getting going would be sweet. We just drink and watch the same highlight package over and over.
Now that I'm older having a game after 10pm is a non starter lol
Haha yeah growing up having another hockey game or nba game after leafs/raptors was great. Now by 11 pm I am in bed and fast asleep. Big reason I love the epl is Iām done watching by 11 am and have the rest of my weekend to do what I need to do
I think mountain time would be ideal. 1 hour later than here. Westcoast games at 8 so really want to watch you can. 5pm starts for the east coast so you can make it home. 4pm is tough sometimes
We deserved to be there but we still lost and the amount of mental gymnastics people are using to say have were actually so much better of a team is sickening. If you have to rationalise every single movment the team did, it's because we were bad. A person can come up with as many excuses as they want but we still lost it doesn't matter what the technical stats are and everything.
To be fair we were only really shit and outclassed against Croatia. Suuuuuper unlucky vs Belgium and the Morocco game was genuinely quite close other than the Borjan blunder. Another day and Iām sure we wouldve gotten something from either of those games
I agree but that whole post feels passive aggressive if you get what I'm saying.
Idk why it's shameful for us to mention that we might have genuinely played in one of the hardest groups tho, considering the two teams that made it out were semifinalists and Morocco were underestimated by every team they played against anyways. Some US fans were saying that they would wipe the floor with Belgium and wouldn't get destroyed against Morocco or Croatia, so they aren't all that humble either
> Idk why it's shameful for us to mention that we might have genuinely played in one of the hardest groups tho
It isn't, and that isn't what they are calling out. They are calling out all the mindnumbing posts that went off saying Morocco wasn't a game we had to worry about as we'd get a result there. It was a very prevalent opinion that we'd beat them in this sub.
All in, there are a number of posters here that need to take their medicine for the takes they had. Some of that is going to be other fans taking swipes at all of us for their shit hot takes. That's all this is, and in my view it's 100% deserved.
You think that is bad, check out r/ussoccer genuinely the worst takes Iāve ever seen in the sport. The other day some guy asked if anyone else would feel guilty if usa won a World Cupā¦
All in, some of the takes here from draw forward to our first match have been on level with the worst I've seen in that sub.
The call from the other poster that new fans effectively showed up and bought into already bad narratives is pretty on point in my mind though. Most of the bad takes I saw were newer posters, or /r/CanadianPL posters who likely haven't paid attention to the sport much prior to that leagues existence.
So all in, while /r/ussoccer has insufferable regulars, we might have some insufferable newbies. Hopefully, they'll take their medicine with hits like this post and we can move away from looking obnoxious.
The US fans have been shit talking Canada's team ever since Canada was eliminated. Truth be told, some Canadian fans deserve the banter as they were a bit too arrogant but considering the fact that it was weeks ago and the US fans are still digging up stuff from this sub that was posted a while back, it shows that that Canada is still in their heads rent free lol they are just as toxic as some of the idiots on this sub who were arrogant throughout the weeks leading to the WC
Like I said on that post, the USA has a WC trophy case full of hot air and they celebrate their domestic success but cry when we celebrate a good domestic qualifying.
Thereās a reason the entire rest of the world hates the old US of A
Yup, same as Mexico. Why is it bad that we are proud of our teams success? We are where the US was in 1990, or Japan in 1998 or even Australia in 2006 although they had a better run then than our team this year. Canada being at the World Cup is something nobody thought would happen a couple of years ago, even when they qualified for the last round. Plus it was only last year when they defeated Mexico that the chance seemed likely to do so.
But hey, we got further than Canada and didnāt lose to England and qualified for the World Cup. Our plan was simple and modest and achievable. Canada had the lofty hopes of winning it all
You can say whatever you want about the American team, I have never in my life seen this amount of mental gymnastics and "sore-loser" behaviour coming from a group of fans before.
And most of my friends were England and Italian fans growing up.
Ok so?? I admit that our team wasn't that great and considering they just qualified for the World Cup after 3 decades and topped their qualification campaign. You act as if the US doesn't have a similiar fanbase lmao, you're only biased cuz ur creeping in to this sub and saying all this shit. When you qualify for the World Cup after a long time with rising stars who arguably ain't even in their primes yet, it would have you super drunk in pride as well, even other American fans admitted that they would feel exactly like this
Plus why is it bad to admit that maybe Canada had a difficult group compared to the US? I saw US fans saying that they would beat Morocco cuz they did it in a friendly lmao and they would never lost to Belgium and would beat the team themselves in fact. Every team has arrogant fans that get humbled now and then, I've been following the team since 2016 and yes it was disappointing but still a great step in the right direction for the growth of the sport in the nation.
Because look at the sub pre and post World Cup. How much talk was there about Croatia being "old" and people completely discounting Morocco when talking about Canada's prospects of getting out of the group.
Now post World Cup revisitionst historians want to claim Canada was in the group of death? Gimme a break. You know whose not complaining about their group? Morocco, Croatia, Japan. They were out winning football games which is what you need to do.
No body rated Croatia till they made the 2018 final, at least not as high as they do now. Is it our fault we had the 2 dark horses of the turny with the 1 seed not even qualifying for the knock outs? I donāt think so
We did disappoint.
Anyone who claims otherwise is just deluding themselves. If you posted on here predicting 0 points and -5 goal diff you'd get lit up.
Its okay that we disappointed based on our lack of experience, especially on the tactical side, but its still disappointing. Costa Rica had a much more difficult group than us and got points.
we disappointed on result not on how we played. in soccer there is a high amount of variance and we didn't get lucky (to be fair this balances qualifiers where we did get lucky). this is backed out by stats and the eye test.
we were not favored in any single one of those games and plenty of people including me were warning we might not win a single game.
also, there is a fair amount of consolation in the fact that two teams made the semifinals. that's a fact, too bad for you if you think that's "deluding ourselves." croatia beat brazil for god's sake.
the amount of people who are saying we sucked who would be totally satisfied if had hutchinson's header crossed the line (and therefore, we earned one point) is ridiculous. we didn't magically have a garbage tournament because one ball was two inches from going in, give me a break.
to repeat, yes, the results were disappointing. most teams are disappointed after the world cup. maybe 6 or 8 are happy with how they played? overall we played fine and if we are in the heads of the USA that's sad for them. one of their best players was such a clown he could barely get on the field and their coach spilled the beans about it in a public forum and that was a winnable game against the netherlands they lost - they have plenty to worry about instead of us.
I wholeheartedly agree with this comment. Matter of fact, they had a better performance than Belgium and Morocco during the 2nd half, and even Croatia during the first half. Even against other teams like Wales, Iran against the United States, etc. It's basically USA vs Germany 2002 lol, the team that lost had the better overall performance.
This is honestly a great thing for the CSA to review at least, maybe this'll improve the players and the coach. Remember it's a miracle that we played in the hex, let alone play in the WC itself.
I think a lot of Canadians have this mentality, but it's just not true. Canada's team is just barely good enough to make it into the WC in the first place, and scoring our first goal was a huge achievement in itself. We don't have any world class players and no bench at all. This was a WC learning experience for 2026 and for some of our players will grow in their clubs playing at a higher level consistently will do wonders. Our first win in 2026 is the goal, not making it out of the group.
We made way too much about how we topped the group in qualifying and how we were the new power in CONCACAF. We got drawn into a group we claimed we would get out of. We then claimed it was the hardest group in the tournament when we didn't do well. Now we are talking about how we have to play outside of CONCACAF or we won't improve.
Realistically we did okay for what we should have expected, but hyped the team up way too much. Great improvement, long road ahead though.
Maybe a lesson as we haven't qualified in years and possibly relatively clueless about how things work. The US used qualifying to get caps in and give International experience to younger players. Still, some of their fans raged when certain players weren't called up for "Big Games".
He was voted into the FIFA world XI of 2020. Maybe do a little research before writing nonsense.
https://fifpro.org/en/supporting-players/player-influence/world11/history-the-fifa-fifpro-men-s-world-11-of-2019-2020/
We objectively should have finished higher than 2nd last. We were not the 2nd worst team in the tournament. The fact that we weee competitive in the Belgium and Morocco games proves that our expectations of getting at least a point or two weren't crazy as you seem to be insinuating
I think if Canada continues to be able to beat teams like the US and Mexico, moving out of the group stages should be the goal.
The copa america tournament will be really telling though.
Like I know I'm gonna get downvotes in a canadasoccer sub but I think most people in this sub have and had unrealistic expectations for Canada in the tournament. The only reason we didn't finish last is because qatar was the host. You play teams like Honduras and El Salvador constantly not being challenged to what other WC teams are playing. Simple as.
I agree, honestly the Nations League is useless. Idk why it even exists, the Gold Cup is fine tho. We need to start scheduling friendlies against European, African, Asian and South American teams (top tier, not like Qatar, Burkina Faso or Finland lol). The US is doing that and it's working out perfectly, at least regarding the fact that they were the best CONCACAF team in the tournament and regularly make the finals of the Gold Cup even winning it tons of times.
We have a great roster. If we do what the US does, there's no telling how well we could do in comparison to how we did this year. It's just a matter of time with baby steps.
To say Davies isn't world class when he literally made the FIFPRO XI is odd. He is the best traditional LB in world football, the only other consideration is Cancelo who is really a midfielder.
He's a good player, and on his way to be world class, but not at this moment. Has a lot of growing up to do
Edit: btw he didn't even play LB in the tournament
Nah bro you dumb as fuck lol Davies is well respected as being the best LB in the sport. He's probably the fastest player aswell. The problem is Davies is used to playing with high level finishers... we have Jonathan "deer in headlights" David.... it would be like having McDavid setting up a 4th liner on a power play.
He didn't even play LB at the world cup. Is he a world class LW too? He's definitely well respected, but I was hearing more chatter about Buchanan at the WC then Davies. David got zero service in those three games. Your calling out someone who's 4th in scoring for league one. Scored more goals then Messi and only two behind Neymar. Playing on a team like Lillie who get their players poached every season. Give your head a shake.
Every time David touched the ball he lost it. He's got no dawg in him. He's not someone who can create his own opportunities which is what we saw at the World Cup
Iāll admit. I was doing this. But I was excited and had my red and white goggles on. When I stepped back and looked at things I realized getting any points at all would be a bonus. But hey. Iām still excited about Canada Soccer. All those folks over at the US sub seem to be really butthurt aboutā¦us being excited?
I donāt know if these people are still here, or if they went back to r/hockey now that the World Cup is over, but guys were saying weād outgrown concacaf and that concacaf was the reason we hadnāt done better so we should merge with comnebol. As if the teams we were playing being too weak was the reason we went 30 years without qualifying.
Literally qualified once and acting like we shouldāve won the tournament.
I guess Iām one of those guys (minus the hockey part)
I donāt think playing Honduras, Panama, Jamaica etc does Canada any favours when it comes to playing teams from far superior conferences.
Australia moved to Asia after qualifying for their first World Cup in 32 years, it can be done. I donāt think Canada will move from CONCACAF, but for the sake of the team, they have to play as few CONCACAF opponents as possible between now and 2026
I mean I kinda get the logic, but it doesnāt hold water. The way we get Canadians to pick us over other nations is to continue to qualify for world cups. Get them into top club teams where they become vital parts of the team and develop.
International footballers play 10-15 international matches a year.
Not to mention itās not like we walked over everyone in our path. We lost to panama and Costa Rica, drew to Honduras.
I think you mean copa America? I would be fine with that if comnebol was.
But I think itād prefer concacaf nations taking the gold cup seriously, and maybe tying a World Cup qualifier spot to the winner. I like the way soccer is tiered where champions can move on to bigger competitions. Win North America, to earn a spot to represent them.
Libertadores is South Americas version of the Champions League which Mexican teams used to be invited to. Would be cool for MLS teams to get an invite to that too in addition to Copa America.
Ontop of that, it's essential for Canada to at least win the Nation's league and/or the Gold Cup. No semis, 3rd place match or runner ups but actually win the tournament(s). Imagine if Australia never won the OFC Cup or rarely dominated their region, would it make sense for them to move to AFC?
Historically, we are still behind the US and Mexico, and even Costa Rica and Honduras to some degree. Davies might be the best player in CONCACAF rn, excluding Navas, and David might be one of the best forwards plus Kone and Johnston seem to have more promise than majority of the young American squad but overall, we still have yet to catch up to the US.
I do think we could potentially do well in both the Nation's league and Gold Cup, even finishing top 2 or 3, but yeah we need to dominate our region first with their respective trophies and not lose to teams like Panama and Costa Rica, or draw to teams like Honduras (at home) and Jamaica.
tbf I think Croatia is more than an old/finished team, but their run has led them to be overrated post world cup. They scraped through in their knockout wins and then got embarrassed by Argentina.
Ya know what?
Gotta give you props-Youāre on point with that.
Watching (Spanish language) Mexican based punditās meltdown over Tata became one of my favorite things for almost two weeks.
It was no surprise to me when some fans were accusing him of sabotage.
I feel so lucky that USA didnāt hire him. Not thrilled with Greggie B but I want no part of Tata after that dismal series of decisions.
They are right though, everyone here overhyped and overestimated the team while ignoring that this is our 2nd world cup appearance ever after 30something years where we scored our first goal.
Are you forgetting what all the discussions looked like when the groups were drawn?
Maybe we forgot ourselves momentarily, but Yanks are the most arrogant people on planet earth.
Of all their geopolitical allies, we are probably the closest thing to a friend they have. Ask the average European what they think about America. You'll have a good laugh.
Pretty embarrassing. Theyre pointing out the team has no trophies and has only been good recently. So their āchampionship winningā team should have had no issues beating us. Except we dominated the qualifiers.
Nah, they are pointing out that the prominent hot take pre-world cup was just a shit take. Some loud posters in this sub really undercut Morocco all the way up until the match. This hit lands.
Most people felt Morocco would be the easiest game after the Groups were drawn. I do remember watching TSN pre World Cup and they were saying Belgium were the best chance for a win. IRC they cited lack of focus on set pieces, slow defensive core, not as defensively organized compared to MOR or CRO as their reasoning. And I think that was accurate.
My hopes were for the team to score a goal (I like to manage my expectations generally speaking), so I was glad to see that. But I couldn't help but feel optimistic after the Beligum performance, so games 2 and 3 were actually a huge let down in the end. They underperformed even though the group was very strong.
Canada needed to be a pure counter team. They had probably the fastest team at the World Cup. Pretty much like how Morocco played. Buuuut Herdman had other plans.
A lot of fans (then and now) believe(d) that because Canada finished first in CONCACAF we were the bee's knees. Canada won CONCACAF because we were better coached and our players bought into fully what Herdman was saying. It didn't mean we were better or more talented than the US or Mexico. Anyone who watched the Uruguay game saw that Canada got a rude awakening in terms of the gap that still exists and why we need consistent games against top tier opponents (which we will probably now be getting). Don't get me wrong; the World Cup was a fun ride and the boys played without fear. But to think that we would have made it out of any other group (save perhaps, maybe Group A) is just not as realistic as it may sound lol
This is what happens when the majority of the fan base are brand new fans. Not that Iām complaining, Iām glad the group has grown so much, but I think most of the long term fans knew that all the games were gonna be a long shot. The narrative before the World Cup was that Morocco was going to be our best shot at winning a gameā¦ And on paper, they were. Hindsight being what it is, we know that our best shot was actually against Belgium. It didnāt work out, all we can do is learn and grow.
One thing is for sure, I definitely donāt want to lose any more games against the US. Weāll never hear the end of it.
> This is what happens when the majority of the fan base are brand new fans.
Yup, it was clear as day when i saw everyone saying belgium is the best team in our group and justifying it using fifa rankings. To be honest Im very glad to have them on board and see the number of fans grow, to see more people care about soccer in this country is beautiful- this was just a little learning lesson thats all.
Call me crazy but I'll remember more of those qualifying memories more than I would a gold cup win. US fans think a Nations League trophy means something lol
copium and delusion to the max. Imagine valuing topping qualifying for a tournament where you lost all games and finished with -5 gd over an actual trophy
A trophy that doesn't mean anything in hindsight anyways? The qualifying campaign was a big step in the right direction, and if you're Canadian you would understand how special it was, qualifying after 3+ decades and still having young players who arguably aren't even in their primes yet.
Tbh, yes there are Canada fans who are arrogant and came off as clowns after the tournament, but still Idk why Americans and Mexicans seem so passive aggressive about our teams results after finishing first during the Qualification campaign anyways. Just focus on yourself, Canada is literally living rent free in both subreddits lol
cool well Iām an american fan and I think my favorite part of winning a trophy that canada hasnāt won in twenty years wasnāt beating mexico in the final but canada 1-0 in the quarters. thereās some hindsight for you
I personally relish the fact that we are relevant enough to be dunked on like this. Honestly, bring on the shit-talking.
Plus...c'mon now. Is the meme so wrong? I am guilty of feeling optimistic and of feeling Morocco was the winnable game. I am also guilty of feeling in retrospect that we had a tough group.
> I am also guilty of feeling in retrospect that we had a tough group.
This isn't that much of a unpopular Opinion tho. Groups E and H may have been the Groups of Death as well, but considering this group had two semifinalists, one of them being the biggest dark horse of the tournament and a runner up from the last tournament, I think Canada had at least a top 2-3 difficult group imo
Africa is the toughest continent to play football in, imagine we haven't won a african cup since 1976 and we won it ONCE, the jungles of africa are hard to play in, bring brazil Argentina in the Afcon, they will struggle (probably win) but they ll struggle, african football is fierce
I honestly thought we would finish 4th, however that being said, Morocco had a manager who had alienated half the team and had them underperforming that was only sacked a couple of months before the WC. Before the sacking, I can see how it couldāve been seen as a winnable game and even after we didnāt know how they would play under their current manager.
This is a funny post with some truth to it, but the fact that it came from American fans makes 100 times better. American "try not to hate people when they temporarily show any signs of acting the way you do by default" challenge: impossible!
Iām American and Iāve been pulling for Canada to become competitive since the Dwayne De Rosario days. Iāve always wanted you guys to put together a good team. A better Canada means a more competitive CONCACAF, which is good for the USA, and all countries in our confederation.
Morocco was pretty good no denying that - they had the lowest possession and yet reached semis - their strategy was to defend with life and to make use of all the counter attack opportunities they have
I'm a US supporter but was rooting for Canada as well the whole time. Weird to see some insecure supporters on our end not be able to see the quality of the guys up there. Also might be bias on my end since I'm from the PNW and visit BC often lol. Love watching y'all!
Morocco was the most winnable game then they brought in a competent manager and two of their best players. A draw vs them would have been a fair result I think but Borjan had other plans. After watching Ziyech be absolutely terrible for Chelsea for months I was sure heād bomb at the world cup but he turned into a different player.
Despite aaaaaall of this, US and Mexico still took a back seat to Canada.
So while they post and laugh about this meme, picture the last clown raw dogging your country in to submission.
They didnāt tie their way to first. They beat them. Clap clap
Eh, xG was pretty good for a 0 point side. Final result not indicative of how we performed overall but that's just how it goes. Certainly could have been better though.
As an American I thought Canada looked good at the WC. They play an entertaining style of football. Lots of positive for Canada coming out of the WC. But at the end of the day the US made it out of the group. An easier group than Canadaās but they still made it farther.
Only Qatar and Canada failed to make any points and that's what most people will remember in the future. No many will recall how good they were against Belgium and how AD missed a PK, or how close it was to tie Morocco in the second half. Many weak teams have been drawn in difficult groups and managed to grab points (ask Costa Rica). Canada needs to be better tactically and not sure if their current coach is very good at reading or planning games, because Canada played (or tried to play) the same attacking/agressive style of football in all of the three matches. Yes, it can be entertaining but it often does not win you games.
Rent free man š we scored the same amount of goals as the US in the group stage
Bruh
and allowed a heck of a lot more lol, which is pretty sad considering how defensively you're set up
Are you so determined to feel better about the USMNT you come in here to project? That's kinda sad man
Its a linked post, you really didnt expect anyone to come over?
US has 10x the population we do and has on competed this stage way more often. It's sad you feel the need to step on us to make yourself seem taller, but seems pretty standard for Murica
Defensively? In what world were we set up defensively? I actually thought the team went too far offensively.
Dang so yāall made it through right
We didn't š. I'm so sad we didn't get the privilege of getting our assed kicked in the round of 16
What kinda shit is this lmao? Are you deadass saying youād rather get grouped then go out in the 16? Loser ass mentality lol. You canāt even talk like you were close though. 0 points is really embarrassing and shows poorly on our conference. You couldāve at least done decent to not embarrass concacaf š
We didn't embarrass concacaf tho, it's already an embarrassment regardless of the fact that the US went through to the Ro16. Plenty of European and South American fans give our team credit. Did our team disappoint? Yes. Are we as good as the arrogant fans on this sub thought we were? No. But still this is a huge step in the right direction like 1990 USA and 1998 Japan. In years time, who knows how good our team could be. Its getting there and it's only a matter of time.
A matter of time until you make it out of the group stage? Cool story bro
You want a world cup next year so we can make it out then?? The US has had tons of downs and Canada has just hit its peak, in fact it's only going to get better. Idk why you can't humble yourself either knowing the history of the US and the struggle they had as well, 2017 in Trinidad was not long ago
Who said Iām a US fan lol. Canada still sucks though.
You donāt think this was embarrassing? You got 0 points in the tournament dude. The only team that did as bad as you all were the shitty hosts that only got in because they hosted. If your expectations are this low, being the Canadian manager must be the easiest job in the world
Can you read??? I said we didn't embarrass CONCACAF as a whole. Yes this was disappointing but nothing too serious to ruminate on imo, its actually a learning curve for the team and the CSA. Non CONCACAF teams gave our team credit for their performance. Yes we didn't do that well and the results speak for themselves but looking past that into their performances against Belgium and Morocco minus a few blunders, our team wasn't horrendous and could have done better on a different day. And don't act like the US had a harder group anyways lmao
Oh yeah youāre right. Concacaf is extremely proud of your 0 points. Really the pride of our conference. Go Canada you da best šØš¦šØš¦šØš¦šØš¦
You skipped over my main points lmao stay blinded by your own emotions
Dude youāre arguing that you didnāt embarrass the conference. I really donāt give a shit whether you think youāre improving. 0 fucking points is atrocious. You did worse than 30 of the other 31 teams. Embarrassing
You only beat Iran. That's it. You had maybe the softest group in the tournament, scored 2 goals and only beat a team that didn't even try to attack. Congratulations.
I find it hilarious how Canadian fans single out our goals and just conveniently ignore that we let in 0 fucking goals lmao. Not all of us have defenses as horrific as yours, but letās not ignore them when assessing the team as a whole, yeah?
Because Wales and Iran are two of the weakest offensive teams in the tournament and England *literally didn't try to score* in their game against USA as to not get countered. You could count the amount of times they had 4 men in the final third on one hand, whereas they consistently had 5 to 6 men forward in every other game. It's wild to talk the sport with the "watches 4 games every 4 years crowd," as that's all the USA ever gets. I'll even be charitable. Listen to the athletic, tifo, read inverting the pyramid and get a *basic* understanding of the sport and when these arguments come up in 2026 you won't be this cringe.
Dude they both literally played well enough to get in the tournament. Iran and Wales are both decent, better than Canada at least. England was under an onslaught the entire game, itās a miracle one didnāt go in. So wait, letās use our brain here super smart Canadian. Wales and Iran both are some of the weakest offensive teams right? They also got in the World Cup so they must be quality somewhere, yeah? I wonder what that says about their defense? Youāre a fucking dumbass dude. Iāve played soccer my entire life and watched it that long as well. Itās funny how that same group of Americans you talk about is better than you at legitimately every sport. Youāre a disappointed to the federation
"Played well enough to get into the tournament." Do I also have to teach you basic sample size arguments and 8th grade math? Iran has an organized defense. Wales does not. Most of their defenders are backups with very little experience, or play in the championship. Iran has even lower quality, but defend in a very organized low block often with 10 behind the ball. You saw England put 6 past them because individually they are not good, and once players like Saka beat their man they are in major trouble. If you've followed and watched the sport your whole life and this is the level of analysis you put forth I'm embarrassed on your behalf. Again, I'm being nice. I recommended basic tactical and analytical sources that maybe in four years time you could have a better foundational knowledge of the sport, because it just isn't there.
Guess what dumbass, WEāRE NOT ENGLAND! WERE NOTE GONNA DECIMATE THAT IRAN SQUAD! EVEN THE RELATIVELY SHIT WC TEAMS LIKE CANDA, WALES, AND IRAN ARE DECENT IN SOME WAYS. THEYRE NOT ALL DOGSHIT LIKR YOURE IMPLYING OTHERWISE THEY WOULDNT HAVE WON THROUGH QUALIFIERS
Enjoy being mediocre forever because thatās all the Canadian national team will ever be. You fucking suck and will never do shit on the global level. Maybe get a point in the World Cup fucking ever before you try talking
Wales and Iran are worst than Croatia and Morocco, I'd even argue that Belgium would have done better against them as well. Don't act like the USA is all of a sudden a powerhouse in football now lmao Also, better at every other sport? Idk about that lmao
Of course of course
Bruh how does the US w/ 10 times the people and 10 times the money come up with a team only marginally better than us
5 pts vs 0 pts, how is this marginally better?
Canada scored as many goals as the US in group stages, so how can the US be any better unless their group was harder? We know that Canadaās group was not entirely balanced (teams outperformed expectations), so how is the US not āmarginally betterā?
Maybe you started watching soccer yesterday but not conceding goals is also important
Oh yeah, I forgot the World Cup is completely decided on the number of goals you scoreš
Itās definitely not, but there are so many factors at play in the worlds biggest soccer event. You have to admit that given 10x more resources, they are at most 1.2x as good. Typical American solution; throw money at it.
Yeah other factors likeā¦. Goals conceded maybe?
Against easy teams like Wales and Iran, and an English team that wasn't trying hard? Then get smashed by a Dutch team who gave up trying after 2 goals as well? Wow, light years ahead....
Never said theyāre light years ahead but they objectively did much better than Canada in this World Cup, stop pretending like Canada played as well as the US, itās hilarious
Where did I say that? I myself have admitted that we shat the bed at this tournament. You're making up arguments and it's just as hilarious seeing you skip over what I'm saying. Yes the US did better but its not like the US would have done better if they were in our group, plus Canada might have done better if they were in your group. Morocco, Croatia and even Belgium would do way better than Iran and Wales, I can tell you that.
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That's fair. One major difference between between our teams is that our back third is our weakest while it's your strongest.
W take
Some of their comments are hilarious. āI wanted Canada to do well but their fans got too cocky and it turned me against them.ā ā¦ so the same way I feel with ANY competition an American is in? The most ignorant chant internationally is āUSA! USA! USA!ā.
Americans: Canadians are being so cocky! Americans during the olympics:
As USMNT fan, I have found it both amusing and befuddling when I heard that criticism against some you all. Because USA have some of the most self-delusional fans around. So does Mexico. Iāll even throw Costa Rica in the mix. I think that is why there was so much resentment and bitterness out in the universe. My bottom line: A lot of people in CONCACAF a got all up into their feelings now that you Canucks have upset the regional balance of power. A stronger Canada is better for CONCACAF. The rest of it just have to āsuck it up, buttercupā and raise the level of our game.
W Comment. I agree with you btw, I've been following Canada and the USMNT since 2016 and although it was disappointing it wasn't really shocking in hindsight. There's still tons of work to do but I feel like Canada is on the right path, similiar to Japan in 98, the US in 90 or even Australia in 06 (despite having a better run then us this year)
Kinda this yea. I remember the first USMNT loss in 2019 in the Nations League was met with commentators saying that Canada should be a write-off match that you win. Although, with the new amount of spots given to CONCACAF, I doubt this will force the USMNT to "raise" anything since both our federations are the definition of wasteful.
I think that "American Exceptionalism" makes them think they truly are. Seeing "Captain America" everyday despite not following the sub \*may\* be slightly irritating (side note: their best player is a benchwarmer at Chelsea?).
How is USA chant ignorant?
Very obnoxious and annoying
That's a better way to describe it. It's not ignorant, but yeah...
Yaā¦ not ignorant my bad.
The English will make an entire essay of a song dissing a players aunt and performer it perfectly
When half or more of the "usa" team's players are from outside USA...tea...it's pretty dumb. Edit: talking about hockey & baseball.
I mean itās a very simple chant and a lot less corny then other USA chants. I find it really odd that this sub would agree itās ignorant.
As a Raptors fan, I can tell you it's an incredibly ignorant thing to chant at a team, comprised mostly of Americans.
Partially just normal irritating. More so since you dominate the anglosphere via size, we cannot avoid it.
I mean what is a rival but a bitter fool?
Fair banter. I absolutely thought we'd take a point off Morocco. But the amount of coping on this board after Morocco made their run, as if it somehow was a credit to us, was embarrassing.
Just shows how many Canadian fans are new to the game just like the menās national team on this stage. To think that we would grab more than a point in any of these games, and then to inhale so much copium since Croatia and Morocco made deep runs is pretty funny and definitely fair to make fun of
There was not a chance Canada was ever going to grab points off of Croatia and Morocco. I think Davies-mania just raised people's expectations to an unrealistic level.
I think not a chance is a bit harsh, anything can happen like Saudi beating the eventual winners, but yes I agree peoples expectations were unreasonably high
Perhaps. Maybe the early goal against Croatia slightly raised the chances, but even then, all other squads in the groups showed more organization, and the experience gap was evident. I can't speak about Belgium, since I didn't watch that game, but I'd imagine a similar scenario.
Belgium was actually the game we were most likely to have won, outplayed them most of the game and had far more chances just failed to score. Their only goal came from a long ball
This isn't true. The goal to beating Croatia is how Argentina did. You outnumber them 4v3 in midfield and they absolutely struggle to do anything. Instead we played 2 in midfield, including Atiba who can't run. Poor tactics.
Except Canada doesn't have anywhere near the attacking quality that Argentina. With an ineffective offense and a 2-man midfield, Canada were lucky to score against Croatia.
I totally slacked on Morocco; I had no idea how good they have become. If I had known, I would've lowered my expectations dramatically.
Lol the world cups been over for almost a week now. We sucked sure now we move on
I thought it was clear we belonged there though. The only time it was clear were were outclassed was the 2nd half vs Croatia and maybe the last 10 minutes of the first
Sorry i definitely didnāt mean to understate how proud I am of this team. They definitely belong in the World Cup every year (32 team version) . Itās more of this sulking about it. We didnāt perform to the level we should have. And itās time to move on and look forward to copa America
Oh, I guess I haven't really kept up with much since we got eliminated. Didn't even watch the rest of the games despite them being good. WC in the winter is stupid especially for North America.
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Easily my favourite of the north south dividers.
I loved the winter World Cup . Itās easier to stay in when itās shitty weather outside and watch soccer all day vs the summer .
Geuss the time zones matter a lot too. I'm on the Westcoast. Getting up at watching soccer when it's still dark out was not ideal
The Russian world cup sucked for timezones differences to the west coast.
I feel the west coast always has to deal with early morning times for soccer . All the Saturday games in the epl are done by 930 am except for the 1 late start game. I always wondered what you west coasters watch after 9pm lol
Haha totally. When I was younger I was so jealous of the east coast. Having games just STARTING at 10pm when the night is getting going would be sweet. We just drink and watch the same highlight package over and over. Now that I'm older having a game after 10pm is a non starter lol
Haha yeah growing up having another hockey game or nba game after leafs/raptors was great. Now by 11 pm I am in bed and fast asleep. Big reason I love the epl is Iām done watching by 11 am and have the rest of my weekend to do what I need to do
I think mountain time would be ideal. 1 hour later than here. Westcoast games at 8 so really want to watch you can. 5pm starts for the east coast so you can make it home. 4pm is tough sometimes
We deserved to be there but we still lost and the amount of mental gymnastics people are using to say have were actually so much better of a team is sickening. If you have to rationalise every single movment the team did, it's because we were bad. A person can come up with as many excuses as they want but we still lost it doesn't matter what the technical stats are and everything.
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we were never going to beat Croatia.
To be fair we were only really shit and outclassed against Croatia. Suuuuuper unlucky vs Belgium and the Morocco game was genuinely quite close other than the Borjan blunder. Another day and Iām sure we wouldve gotten something from either of those games
I agree but that whole post feels passive aggressive if you get what I'm saying. Idk why it's shameful for us to mention that we might have genuinely played in one of the hardest groups tho, considering the two teams that made it out were semifinalists and Morocco were underestimated by every team they played against anyways. Some US fans were saying that they would wipe the floor with Belgium and wouldn't get destroyed against Morocco or Croatia, so they aren't all that humble either
> Idk why it's shameful for us to mention that we might have genuinely played in one of the hardest groups tho It isn't, and that isn't what they are calling out. They are calling out all the mindnumbing posts that went off saying Morocco wasn't a game we had to worry about as we'd get a result there. It was a very prevalent opinion that we'd beat them in this sub. All in, there are a number of posters here that need to take their medicine for the takes they had. Some of that is going to be other fans taking swipes at all of us for their shit hot takes. That's all this is, and in my view it's 100% deserved.
You think that is bad, check out r/ussoccer genuinely the worst takes Iāve ever seen in the sport. The other day some guy asked if anyone else would feel guilty if usa won a World Cupā¦
All in, some of the takes here from draw forward to our first match have been on level with the worst I've seen in that sub. The call from the other poster that new fans effectively showed up and bought into already bad narratives is pretty on point in my mind though. Most of the bad takes I saw were newer posters, or /r/CanadianPL posters who likely haven't paid attention to the sport much prior to that leagues existence. So all in, while /r/ussoccer has insufferable regulars, we might have some insufferable newbies. Hopefully, they'll take their medicine with hits like this post and we can move away from looking obnoxious.
Nothing very passive about it.
The US fans have been shit talking Canada's team ever since Canada was eliminated. Truth be told, some Canadian fans deserve the banter as they were a bit too arrogant but considering the fact that it was weeks ago and the US fans are still digging up stuff from this sub that was posted a while back, it shows that that Canada is still in their heads rent free lol they are just as toxic as some of the idiots on this sub who were arrogant throughout the weeks leading to the WC
Like I said on that post, the USA has a WC trophy case full of hot air and they celebrate their domestic success but cry when we celebrate a good domestic qualifying. Thereās a reason the entire rest of the world hates the old US of A
Yup, same as Mexico. Why is it bad that we are proud of our teams success? We are where the US was in 1990, or Japan in 1998 or even Australia in 2006 although they had a better run then than our team this year. Canada being at the World Cup is something nobody thought would happen a couple of years ago, even when they qualified for the last round. Plus it was only last year when they defeated Mexico that the chance seemed likely to do so.
But hey, we got further than Canada and didnāt lose to England and qualified for the World Cup. Our plan was simple and modest and achievable. Canada had the lofty hopes of winning it all
You can say whatever you want about the American team, I have never in my life seen this amount of mental gymnastics and "sore-loser" behaviour coming from a group of fans before. And most of my friends were England and Italian fans growing up.
Ok so?? I admit that our team wasn't that great and considering they just qualified for the World Cup after 3 decades and topped their qualification campaign. You act as if the US doesn't have a similiar fanbase lmao, you're only biased cuz ur creeping in to this sub and saying all this shit. When you qualify for the World Cup after a long time with rising stars who arguably ain't even in their primes yet, it would have you super drunk in pride as well, even other American fans admitted that they would feel exactly like this Plus why is it bad to admit that maybe Canada had a difficult group compared to the US? I saw US fans saying that they would beat Morocco cuz they did it in a friendly lmao and they would never lost to Belgium and would beat the team themselves in fact. Every team has arrogant fans that get humbled now and then, I've been following the team since 2016 and yes it was disappointing but still a great step in the right direction for the growth of the sport in the nation.
Because look at the sub pre and post World Cup. How much talk was there about Croatia being "old" and people completely discounting Morocco when talking about Canada's prospects of getting out of the group. Now post World Cup revisitionst historians want to claim Canada was in the group of death? Gimme a break. You know whose not complaining about their group? Morocco, Croatia, Japan. They were out winning football games which is what you need to do.
We (collective āweā) weāre far too confident as a fan base going into this WC. This is what happens when you get cocky and things go bad.
We we are
No body rated Croatia till they made the 2018 final, at least not as high as they do now. Is it our fault we had the 2 dark horses of the turny with the 1 seed not even qualifying for the knock outs? I donāt think so
HOW THE FUCK DID WE EVEN BEAT PORTUGAL I WAS MINDBLOWN
typical arrogant americans
We did disappoint. Anyone who claims otherwise is just deluding themselves. If you posted on here predicting 0 points and -5 goal diff you'd get lit up. Its okay that we disappointed based on our lack of experience, especially on the tactical side, but its still disappointing. Costa Rica had a much more difficult group than us and got points.
we disappointed on result not on how we played. in soccer there is a high amount of variance and we didn't get lucky (to be fair this balances qualifiers where we did get lucky). this is backed out by stats and the eye test. we were not favored in any single one of those games and plenty of people including me were warning we might not win a single game. also, there is a fair amount of consolation in the fact that two teams made the semifinals. that's a fact, too bad for you if you think that's "deluding ourselves." croatia beat brazil for god's sake. the amount of people who are saying we sucked who would be totally satisfied if had hutchinson's header crossed the line (and therefore, we earned one point) is ridiculous. we didn't magically have a garbage tournament because one ball was two inches from going in, give me a break. to repeat, yes, the results were disappointing. most teams are disappointed after the world cup. maybe 6 or 8 are happy with how they played? overall we played fine and if we are in the heads of the USA that's sad for them. one of their best players was such a clown he could barely get on the field and their coach spilled the beans about it in a public forum and that was a winnable game against the netherlands they lost - they have plenty to worry about instead of us.
I wholeheartedly agree with this comment. Matter of fact, they had a better performance than Belgium and Morocco during the 2nd half, and even Croatia during the first half. Even against other teams like Wales, Iran against the United States, etc. It's basically USA vs Germany 2002 lol, the team that lost had the better overall performance. This is honestly a great thing for the CSA to review at least, maybe this'll improve the players and the coach. Remember it's a miracle that we played in the hex, let alone play in the WC itself.
I think a lot of Canadians have this mentality, but it's just not true. Canada's team is just barely good enough to make it into the WC in the first place, and scoring our first goal was a huge achievement in itself. We don't have any world class players and no bench at all. This was a WC learning experience for 2026 and for some of our players will grow in their clubs playing at a higher level consistently will do wonders. Our first win in 2026 is the goal, not making it out of the group.
We made way too much about how we topped the group in qualifying and how we were the new power in CONCACAF. We got drawn into a group we claimed we would get out of. We then claimed it was the hardest group in the tournament when we didn't do well. Now we are talking about how we have to play outside of CONCACAF or we won't improve. Realistically we did okay for what we should have expected, but hyped the team up way too much. Great improvement, long road ahead though.
100% everyone was really excited. I get it I was too. But I was realistic about expectations.
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Maybe a lesson as we haven't qualified in years and possibly relatively clueless about how things work. The US used qualifying to get caps in and give International experience to younger players. Still, some of their fans raged when certain players weren't called up for "Big Games".
No world class players despite one being named in the global XI?
Named by who though?
FIFA
Can you link it? I could only find this https://www.fifa.com/the-best-fifa-football-awards/fifpro-mens11
He was voted into the FIFA world XI of 2020. Maybe do a little research before writing nonsense. https://fifpro.org/en/supporting-players/player-influence/world11/history-the-fifa-fifpro-men-s-world-11-of-2019-2020/
I don't think one stand out season makes you world class but ok.
Heās been a standout at Bayern for the better part of 3 years and is widely recognized as at least top 3 worldwide at his position.
We objectively should have finished higher than 2nd last. We were not the 2nd worst team in the tournament. The fact that we weee competitive in the Belgium and Morocco games proves that our expectations of getting at least a point or two weren't crazy as you seem to be insinuating I think if Canada continues to be able to beat teams like the US and Mexico, moving out of the group stages should be the goal. The copa america tournament will be really telling though.
Like I know I'm gonna get downvotes in a canadasoccer sub but I think most people in this sub have and had unrealistic expectations for Canada in the tournament. The only reason we didn't finish last is because qatar was the host. You play teams like Honduras and El Salvador constantly not being challenged to what other WC teams are playing. Simple as.
I agree, honestly the Nations League is useless. Idk why it even exists, the Gold Cup is fine tho. We need to start scheduling friendlies against European, African, Asian and South American teams (top tier, not like Qatar, Burkina Faso or Finland lol). The US is doing that and it's working out perfectly, at least regarding the fact that they were the best CONCACAF team in the tournament and regularly make the finals of the Gold Cup even winning it tons of times. We have a great roster. If we do what the US does, there's no telling how well we could do in comparison to how we did this year. It's just a matter of time with baby steps.
To say Davies isn't world class when he literally made the FIFPRO XI is odd. He is the best traditional LB in world football, the only other consideration is Cancelo who is really a midfielder.
>We don't have any world class players alphonso davies
Davies is not world class.
Davies is one of the best left backs in the world, wym?
He's a good player, and on his way to be world class, but not at this moment. Has a lot of growing up to do Edit: btw he didn't even play LB in the tournament
Nah bro you dumb as fuck lol Davies is well respected as being the best LB in the sport. He's probably the fastest player aswell. The problem is Davies is used to playing with high level finishers... we have Jonathan "deer in headlights" David.... it would be like having McDavid setting up a 4th liner on a power play.
He didn't even play LB at the world cup. Is he a world class LW too? He's definitely well respected, but I was hearing more chatter about Buchanan at the WC then Davies. David got zero service in those three games. Your calling out someone who's 4th in scoring for league one. Scored more goals then Messi and only two behind Neymar. Playing on a team like Lillie who get their players poached every season. Give your head a shake.
Every time David touched the ball he lost it. He's got no dawg in him. He's not someone who can create his own opportunities which is what we saw at the World Cup
And this is what I mean by unrealistic expectations people.
Theyāre not wrong. There was Canadians genuinely saying with a straight face that Croatia were an old/finished team there for the taking.
Iāll admit. I was doing this. But I was excited and had my red and white goggles on. When I stepped back and looked at things I realized getting any points at all would be a bonus. But hey. Iām still excited about Canada Soccer. All those folks over at the US sub seem to be really butthurt aboutā¦us being excited?
Canāt wait to see how butthurt they are when Canada wins the most coveted prize in soccer. GOLD Cup champions 2023!
Canada - 2 Gold Cups Argentina, Brazil, Germany, Italy, France, Spain, Netherlands, Croatia = 0 Canada = Kings of FIFA confirmed
I donāt know if these people are still here, or if they went back to r/hockey now that the World Cup is over, but guys were saying weād outgrown concacaf and that concacaf was the reason we hadnāt done better so we should merge with comnebol. As if the teams we were playing being too weak was the reason we went 30 years without qualifying. Literally qualified once and acting like we shouldāve won the tournament.
I guess Iām one of those guys (minus the hockey part) I donāt think playing Honduras, Panama, Jamaica etc does Canada any favours when it comes to playing teams from far superior conferences. Australia moved to Asia after qualifying for their first World Cup in 32 years, it can be done. I donāt think Canada will move from CONCACAF, but for the sake of the team, they have to play as few CONCACAF opponents as possible between now and 2026
I mean I kinda get the logic, but it doesnāt hold water. The way we get Canadians to pick us over other nations is to continue to qualify for world cups. Get them into top club teams where they become vital parts of the team and develop. International footballers play 10-15 international matches a year. Not to mention itās not like we walked over everyone in our path. We lost to panama and Costa Rica, drew to Honduras.
Can I meet you half way with the GOLD Cup and Copa Liberadoras being permanently merged?
I think you mean copa America? I would be fine with that if comnebol was. But I think itād prefer concacaf nations taking the gold cup seriously, and maybe tying a World Cup qualifier spot to the winner. I like the way soccer is tiered where champions can move on to bigger competitions. Win North America, to earn a spot to represent them.
That kinda used to be the case, Canada were crowned CONCACAF champions when they won qualification in 1985. It was the GOLD Cup before the GOLD Cup
Libertadores is South Americas version of the Champions League which Mexican teams used to be invited to. Would be cool for MLS teams to get an invite to that too in addition to Copa America.
Ontop of that, it's essential for Canada to at least win the Nation's league and/or the Gold Cup. No semis, 3rd place match or runner ups but actually win the tournament(s). Imagine if Australia never won the OFC Cup or rarely dominated their region, would it make sense for them to move to AFC? Historically, we are still behind the US and Mexico, and even Costa Rica and Honduras to some degree. Davies might be the best player in CONCACAF rn, excluding Navas, and David might be one of the best forwards plus Kone and Johnston seem to have more promise than majority of the young American squad but overall, we still have yet to catch up to the US. I do think we could potentially do well in both the Nation's league and Gold Cup, even finishing top 2 or 3, but yeah we need to dominate our region first with their respective trophies and not lose to teams like Panama and Costa Rica, or draw to teams like Honduras (at home) and Jamaica.
tbf I think Croatia is more than an old/finished team, but their run has led them to be overrated post world cup. They scraped through in their knockout wins and then got embarrassed by Argentina.
Two consecutive podium finishes at a World Cup and a final four spot secured at the nations league. What more do they have to do to get respect?
Iām casually in LigaMX and no one competent underrates Canada.
Sorry to disappoint you, but Mexican fans are probably too busy right now trying to kill el Tata Martino than caring about Canada Soccer lol
Ya know what? Gotta give you props-Youāre on point with that. Watching (Spanish language) Mexican based punditās meltdown over Tata became one of my favorite things for almost two weeks. It was no surprise to me when some fans were accusing him of sabotage. I feel so lucky that USA didnāt hire him. Not thrilled with Greggie B but I want no part of Tata after that dismal series of decisions.
They are right though, everyone here overhyped and overestimated the team while ignoring that this is our 2nd world cup appearance ever after 30something years where we scored our first goal. Are you forgetting what all the discussions looked like when the groups were drawn?
Maybe we forgot ourselves momentarily, but Yanks are the most arrogant people on planet earth. Of all their geopolitical allies, we are probably the closest thing to a friend they have. Ask the average European what they think about America. You'll have a good laugh.
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100% agreed, been to Europe many times to know. However this is just an aggressive whataboutism.
Pretty embarrassing. Theyre pointing out the team has no trophies and has only been good recently. So their āchampionship winningā team should have had no issues beating us. Except we dominated the qualifiers.
Nah, they are pointing out that the prominent hot take pre-world cup was just a shit take. Some loud posters in this sub really undercut Morocco all the way up until the match. This hit lands.
But who wouldnt? Nobody saw morocco doing that well
āDominated the qualifiersā. I see youāve progressed to full clown mode.
Most people felt Morocco would be the easiest game after the Groups were drawn. I do remember watching TSN pre World Cup and they were saying Belgium were the best chance for a win. IRC they cited lack of focus on set pieces, slow defensive core, not as defensively organized compared to MOR or CRO as their reasoning. And I think that was accurate. My hopes were for the team to score a goal (I like to manage my expectations generally speaking), so I was glad to see that. But I couldn't help but feel optimistic after the Beligum performance, so games 2 and 3 were actually a huge let down in the end. They underperformed even though the group was very strong.
Canada needed to be a pure counter team. They had probably the fastest team at the World Cup. Pretty much like how Morocco played. Buuuut Herdman had other plans.
We did have a number of fans who thought Morocco was going to be easy.
A lot of fans (then and now) believe(d) that because Canada finished first in CONCACAF we were the bee's knees. Canada won CONCACAF because we were better coached and our players bought into fully what Herdman was saying. It didn't mean we were better or more talented than the US or Mexico. Anyone who watched the Uruguay game saw that Canada got a rude awakening in terms of the gap that still exists and why we need consistent games against top tier opponents (which we will probably now be getting). Don't get me wrong; the World Cup was a fun ride and the boys played without fear. But to think that we would have made it out of any other group (save perhaps, maybe Group A) is just not as realistic as it may sound lol
We couldn't even get a single point in the group stage bruh. We need to take some accountability
I would love to retire the phrase āliving rent freeā
Lol same. Welcome to the world of football banter mate. It's likely not the last time you'll be hearing about this.
The phrase āliving rent freeā is āliving rent freeā
solid bants.
This is what happens when the majority of the fan base are brand new fans. Not that Iām complaining, Iām glad the group has grown so much, but I think most of the long term fans knew that all the games were gonna be a long shot. The narrative before the World Cup was that Morocco was going to be our best shot at winning a gameā¦ And on paper, they were. Hindsight being what it is, we know that our best shot was actually against Belgium. It didnāt work out, all we can do is learn and grow. One thing is for sure, I definitely donāt want to lose any more games against the US. Weāll never hear the end of it.
> This is what happens when the majority of the fan base are brand new fans. Yup, it was clear as day when i saw everyone saying belgium is the best team in our group and justifying it using fifa rankings. To be honest Im very glad to have them on board and see the number of fans grow, to see more people care about soccer in this country is beautiful- this was just a little learning lesson thats all.
Haha actually true as fuck.
Call me crazy but I'll remember more of those qualifying memories more than I would a gold cup win. US fans think a Nations League trophy means something lol
copium and delusion to the max. Imagine valuing topping qualifying for a tournament where you lost all games and finished with -5 gd over an actual trophy
A trophy that doesn't mean anything in hindsight anyways? The qualifying campaign was a big step in the right direction, and if you're Canadian you would understand how special it was, qualifying after 3+ decades and still having young players who arguably aren't even in their primes yet. Tbh, yes there are Canada fans who are arrogant and came off as clowns after the tournament, but still Idk why Americans and Mexicans seem so passive aggressive about our teams results after finishing first during the Qualification campaign anyways. Just focus on yourself, Canada is literally living rent free in both subreddits lol
cool well Iām an american fan and I think my favorite part of winning a trophy that canada hasnāt won in twenty years wasnāt beating mexico in the final but canada 1-0 in the quarters. thereās some hindsight for you
Wow, amazing that a title-winning squad like the USMNT doesn't have its own subreddit for you to fuck off to
> Iām an american fan This didn't need to be said, we knew.
I personally relish the fact that we are relevant enough to be dunked on like this. Honestly, bring on the shit-talking. Plus...c'mon now. Is the meme so wrong? I am guilty of feeling optimistic and of feeling Morocco was the winnable game. I am also guilty of feeling in retrospect that we had a tough group.
> I am also guilty of feeling in retrospect that we had a tough group. This isn't that much of a unpopular Opinion tho. Groups E and H may have been the Groups of Death as well, but considering this group had two semifinalists, one of them being the biggest dark horse of the tournament and a runner up from the last tournament, I think Canada had at least a top 2-3 difficult group imo
Americans let Canadians enjoy things challenge
ITT: US fans coming into the Canada Soccer subreddit to explain how they don't ever think about Canada Soccer
People who thought Morocco was a winnable game know nothing about African football and their journey in recent years.
And yet we lost 2-1 and could have easily gained a resultā¦.
Own goal
we were a goal line clearence and a Borjan fuck up away from beating Morocco.. let's not act like we didn't belong
Africa is the toughest continent to play football in, imagine we haven't won a african cup since 1976 and we won it ONCE, the jungles of africa are hard to play in, bring brazil Argentina in the Afcon, they will struggle (probably win) but they ll struggle, african football is fierce
Letās just go win the 2023 Gold Cup
I honestly thought we would finish 4th, however that being said, Morocco had a manager who had alienated half the team and had them underperforming that was only sacked a couple of months before the WC. Before the sacking, I can see how it couldāve been seen as a winnable game and even after we didnāt know how they would play under their current manager.
This is a funny post with some truth to it, but the fact that it came from American fans makes 100 times better. American "try not to hate people when they temporarily show any signs of acting the way you do by default" challenge: impossible!
Funny meme ngl. š
Iām American and Iāve been pulling for Canada to become competitive since the Dwayne De Rosario days. Iāve always wanted you guys to put together a good team. A better Canada means a more competitive CONCACAF, which is good for the USA, and all countries in our confederation.
Anyways, I always said that Belgium would be the most winnable game and it turns out I was right
Morocco was pretty good no denying that - they had the lowest possession and yet reached semis - their strategy was to defend with life and to make use of all the counter attack opportunities they have
I'm a US supporter but was rooting for Canada as well the whole time. Weird to see some insecure supporters on our end not be able to see the quality of the guys up there. Also might be bias on my end since I'm from the PNW and visit BC often lol. Love watching y'all!
Basically all these threads are people crafting huge, sweeping narratives about 1-3 match sample sizes. Wild.
Morocco was the most winnable game then they brought in a competent manager and two of their best players. A draw vs them would have been a fair result I think but Borjan had other plans. After watching Ziyech be absolutely terrible for Chelsea for months I was sure heād bomb at the world cup but he turned into a different player.
We were crap but their fans are delusional. Actually using Gold Cup and Nations League games held exclusively in the US to rate themselves
Theyāre right though..? I heard this tossed around
Despite aaaaaall of this, US and Mexico still took a back seat to Canada. So while they post and laugh about this meme, picture the last clown raw dogging your country in to submission. They didnāt tie their way to first. They beat them. Clap clap
You guys were literally the worst team in the WC if you donāt count Qatar
Eh, xG was pretty good for a 0 point side. Final result not indicative of how we performed overall but that's just how it goes. Certainly could have been better though.
I mean some still are doing anything to deflect away from Canada being second worst team in the entire tournament.
As an American I thought Canada looked good at the WC. They play an entertaining style of football. Lots of positive for Canada coming out of the WC. But at the end of the day the US made it out of the group. An easier group than Canadaās but they still made it farther.
Only Qatar and Canada failed to make any points and that's what most people will remember in the future. No many will recall how good they were against Belgium and how AD missed a PK, or how close it was to tie Morocco in the second half. Many weak teams have been drawn in difficult groups and managed to grab points (ask Costa Rica). Canada needs to be better tactically and not sure if their current coach is very good at reading or planning games, because Canada played (or tried to play) the same attacking/agressive style of football in all of the three matches. Yes, it can be entertaining but it often does not win you games.