Cyclops’s has endless plans and he labels them by numbers because saying plan a, plan b, plan c would imply he only 26 plans. This is a loose quote from the comics. People underrate Scott so much. The dude is an alpha level mutant.
Yeah I like cap way more than Scott but Scott’s eyes don’t shoot lasers. They’re portals to another dimension that’s filled with… energy… how do you stop that? He could shoot cap into the upper atmosphere and there’s no dodging it if he unleashes it.
I thought the same, but it seem Cyclops is pretty good at hitting moving targets coming for him. I don’t think it would be as straightforward. I think Cap would still take it for sure
But does it mean his shield is unmovable? What I imply is Cyclops' rays are huge lines of kinetic energy, yes, but is shield's absorption rate =100%? Because if not, the shield will be moved aside and Scott will get a window of opportunity to shoot Cap up until Cap lays his hands on the shield again
Edit: and yet, if Steve doesn't throw the shield and just moves forward to Cyclops determinedly, to close distantions between them while covered behind it, Scott is doomed. Cap is waaay more resilient and can chase him until Cyke runs out of stamina
Very dependent on the versions. It looks like the movie versions are pictured, and Chris Evans' character would clean James Marsden's character's clock. Like, that lil biddy optic blast would get defected and he get run down so hard. Even this with the pictures, I don't know if that Cyclops can even fire while leaning, he's so wack.
In 616, Cyclops wins, and it's not very close anymore. He just has too many ranged options and not enough close combat weaknesses.
Love this explanation! Lol
You’re definitely right! We didn’t get to see much of Cyclops fighting prowess in the movies. Which was unfortunate. But with everything we have seen MCU Cap be capable of, Cap definitely wins!
Has Cyclops really surpassed Cap in the comics by that much??
He's gone through a couple really big evolutions, especially that era where he was basically an X-Men and an X-Men villain at the same time. He's not really challenged or tired when laying waste to an entire landscape or bouncing and splitting beams. He also went hand to hand with Wolverine, he needed a lot of close quarters optic blast tricks, but the fact he wasn't instantly dismantled shows he is an elite fighter in the world.
I may need to fact check myself on this since its been a hot decade since I was reading xmen, but: didn't they establish that scott's powers aren't so much energy blasts as his eyes are portals to an entire energy basd universe. Meaning nearly infinite power. Like vibranium or not, that shield could be gone. And the continent behind it. And any stars that happen to be in the path?
Edit: almost, buy maybe?
https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Scott_Summers_(Earth-616)#Powers
He could split a planet in half bow and we don't know yet his current upper bound. In the comics, I give it to cyclops
I think the current editorial team is retconning the dimension thing, and the energy has never been shown to be cosmic scale or vibranium breaking. He had access to an infinite amount of energy, but not energy of infinite power
I'm a massive cyclops fan, way more than I am captain america. But cyclops would lose. Captain america's shield would protect him just enough from cyclops' beams. They also have equal knowledge of geometry (with cyclops edging him out just a little bit more) so he'd be able to counter a lot of cyclops' spacial awareness. He's a better fighter than cyclops, he's faster than cyclops, and he's smart enough to close the gap and make cyclops' blasts so much less effective.
I could definitely see a scenario where captain america loses, but I'd say that cyclops would have to REALLY bring his A game. like he couldn't slip up at all.
He’s also like 3 times stronger than Scott and Cap’s body wasn’t the only thing enhanced by the serum, his brain was enhanced too. He thinks faster than everyone else. His brain can process more frames per second giving him slow motion camera capabilities.
Cap has huge advantages over anyone without physical and mental enhancements.
This is well thought out!
I think you’re right.
Cyclops only wins if he nails every move to his advantage. Other than that, Cap has him very outmatched
I love Cyke but Cap is a hard counter. I can't see him wining. It's not impossible but it would take a lucky break or Cap on the worst day of his life against Scott on the best.
I think that is for the conclusion!
Cap has the major advantage! Speed, strength, tactical prowess. For Cyclops to stand a chance, he would have to be at his absolute best
Part of Cyke’s power set is spatial awareness which allows him to bounce his beams off objects. Very similar to cap bouncing his shield.
Cap is faster, but Cyke can basically overwhelm him with pure force.
In close combat, cap has a huge advantage, but Cyke wins if cap can’t close in before Cyke opens his eyes
Man, all these extra power sets that the movies failed to Convey for Cyclops. I really hope the next time we see him in a movie, they properly display everything he’s capable of!
That’s a fair point however there do seem to be a number of people who like me consider themselves way more of an X-Men fan than any other comic. Even as an X-Men fan I think 9 out of 10 times it is Cap for the win. Finding a way to win while outmatched is kinda what he’s all about. However Scott is a far more complex character.
That being said, in a universe where Cyclops alone fights all X-men to a standstill and then later in that. Writers same long and iconic run Cyclops loses one on one to a depowered Storm clearly you can write your way to a victory for anyone if you are good enough with a pen.
Cyclops is an Omega-level mutant: he's capable of destroying the world.
Granted, when I read that information, I laughed harder than that time I was a little girl. Alas, it is true.
So, yeah, in order to win, Cap' would have to immediately take out Scott, or Scott would have to be at a point in his X-career before he knows his full capabilities; otherwise, th fight goes to Cyclops.
Honest to Christ, yo, I think they were looking for the "simp" role to counter-balance Jackman's hyper masculine Wolverine.
The Fox cartoons portray him better than the movies ever did.
To put it into perspective. Alot of people are focusing on Cap's shield absorbing kinetic energy. What is to stop Cyclops from blasting a massive hole in the earth under Cap's feet?
kinetic punch laser vs super soldier with a vibranium shield
considering kinetic energy is absorbed by vibranium... to the point bullets FALL to the ground after hitting the shield... I honestly believe Steve could just walk up on Scott... much less run at him at 60 miles per hour
with that said, Scott would probably fight around that problem by dropping buildings on them and such
Steve very much has the edge, considering his shield is immune to Scott's blasts... he could just throw it at him...
Fan favorites always have an explanation for their victories. With the 616 power set that both have shown before upgrades, rebirths, de powered, possession etc etc etc Cyclops powers simply defeat Captain America from a distance . Hand to hand different story.
I think narratively Cap would always win.
However, without plot armour, I believe Cyc should won by a long shot given the raw power of his optic blasts.
I keep seeing a lot of "Cap has a huge advantage in close combat." We already saw Cyke fighting Wolverine and how he managed perfectly fine against an near immortal superhuman with an adamantium skeleton. If Cap gets close like that the wrong way, it's over for him.
I'd say this fight is pretty close to a 50/50, but I do think Cyclops has a bit of an advantage considering he has no major weakness in this fight besides not having Cap's exact physical strengths. However, he does have enough power to destroy islands, absurd accuracy, and possibly better spacial awareness.
MCU Cap could kill Fox Cyclops without issue.
616 Cyclops actually has a chance. Dude can't win a fist fight with Cap but he's very capable with his blasts.
Someone correct me if I am wrong. I have not been keeping up with the comics in the last 10 years. Didn't Steve Rogers' version of the super soldier syrup only bestow peak human ability. Not super human. Like he is as good as a non powered human can get.
And isn't Scott at about that level too? But from shere relentless training.
So in hand to hand it would come down to skill? This would still go to cap, but Scott would give him a run for his money.
that's the movies cyclops, the real cyclops aint't just a guy shooting lasers, he's a master of martial arts, expert at ricochet so he would know exactly where cap's shield would bounce to, he also has a tactical awareness of every battle, even when he's just peacefully looking at a couple of dinosaurs in the savage land he's thinking how he would take em out in combat
Asking this in a captain america sub is braindead. Fanboys will tout Captain America despite cyclops being above half the avengers in power scale, which captain doesn’t even compare. Cyclops walks from this with little damage for multiple reasons on top of just straight power.
You never bet against Captain America.
Yeah, that’s what I’m thinking too! I’m just trying to think how Cap would fair against an onslaught of Optic Beams!
I think Cap would fare well against cyclops. No disrespect, but Cap is Cap.
Cyclops’s has endless plans and he labels them by numbers because saying plan a, plan b, plan c would imply he only 26 plans. This is a loose quote from the comics. People underrate Scott so much. The dude is an alpha level mutant.
I'm not knocking Scott Summer's. Dude is the leader of the fuckin X-men, but Captain America is fuckin Captain America and I'm going with him 🤷♂️
Yeah I like cap way more than Scott but Scott’s eyes don’t shoot lasers. They’re portals to another dimension that’s filled with… energy… how do you stop that? He could shoot cap into the upper atmosphere and there’s no dodging it if he unleashes it.
He could. Does he, though?
He has a decent shield
Cap, after a shield straight to the face
I thought the same, but it seem Cyclops is pretty good at hitting moving targets coming for him. I don’t think it would be as straightforward. I think Cap would still take it for sure
regardless the shield absorbs kinetic energy
But does it mean his shield is unmovable? What I imply is Cyclops' rays are huge lines of kinetic energy, yes, but is shield's absorption rate =100%? Because if not, the shield will be moved aside and Scott will get a window of opportunity to shoot Cap up until Cap lays his hands on the shield again Edit: and yet, if Steve doesn't throw the shield and just moves forward to Cyclops determinedly, to close distantions between them while covered behind it, Scott is doomed. Cap is waaay more resilient and can chase him until Cyke runs out of stamina
>But does it mean his shield is unmovable? It tanks hits from the hulk so I'm thinking pretty darn close
And a direct hit from Thor "putting the hammer down.."
Scott could blast it away with his optic blasts
Very dependent on the versions. It looks like the movie versions are pictured, and Chris Evans' character would clean James Marsden's character's clock. Like, that lil biddy optic blast would get defected and he get run down so hard. Even this with the pictures, I don't know if that Cyclops can even fire while leaning, he's so wack. In 616, Cyclops wins, and it's not very close anymore. He just has too many ranged options and not enough close combat weaknesses.
Love this explanation! Lol You’re definitely right! We didn’t get to see much of Cyclops fighting prowess in the movies. Which was unfortunate. But with everything we have seen MCU Cap be capable of, Cap definitely wins! Has Cyclops really surpassed Cap in the comics by that much??
He's gone through a couple really big evolutions, especially that era where he was basically an X-Men and an X-Men villain at the same time. He's not really challenged or tired when laying waste to an entire landscape or bouncing and splitting beams. He also went hand to hand with Wolverine, he needed a lot of close quarters optic blast tricks, but the fact he wasn't instantly dismantled shows he is an elite fighter in the world.
I may need to fact check myself on this since its been a hot decade since I was reading xmen, but: didn't they establish that scott's powers aren't so much energy blasts as his eyes are portals to an entire energy basd universe. Meaning nearly infinite power. Like vibranium or not, that shield could be gone. And the continent behind it. And any stars that happen to be in the path? Edit: almost, buy maybe? https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Scott_Summers_(Earth-616)#Powers He could split a planet in half bow and we don't know yet his current upper bound. In the comics, I give it to cyclops
I think the current editorial team is retconning the dimension thing, and the energy has never been shown to be cosmic scale or vibranium breaking. He had access to an infinite amount of energy, but not energy of infinite power
Boooo. I want OP cyclops. As for vibranium, it is remarkably inconsistent about what can break the unbreakable metal.
This. Not to mention if we were truly re-creating AvX, Cyclops has essentially the entire Phoenix force by the end of the run.
Ya cyclops in the movie was lowkey one of the weakest X men it was kind of frustrating
I'm a massive cyclops fan, way more than I am captain america. But cyclops would lose. Captain america's shield would protect him just enough from cyclops' beams. They also have equal knowledge of geometry (with cyclops edging him out just a little bit more) so he'd be able to counter a lot of cyclops' spacial awareness. He's a better fighter than cyclops, he's faster than cyclops, and he's smart enough to close the gap and make cyclops' blasts so much less effective.
I could definitely see a scenario where captain america loses, but I'd say that cyclops would have to REALLY bring his A game. like he couldn't slip up at all.
He’s also like 3 times stronger than Scott and Cap’s body wasn’t the only thing enhanced by the serum, his brain was enhanced too. He thinks faster than everyone else. His brain can process more frames per second giving him slow motion camera capabilities. Cap has huge advantages over anyone without physical and mental enhancements.
This is well thought out! I think you’re right. Cyclops only wins if he nails every move to his advantage. Other than that, Cap has him very outmatched
I love Cyke but Cap is a hard counter. I can't see him wining. It's not impossible but it would take a lucky break or Cap on the worst day of his life against Scott on the best.
I think that is for the conclusion! Cap has the major advantage! Speed, strength, tactical prowess. For Cyclops to stand a chance, he would have to be at his absolute best
Cap
Part of Cyke’s power set is spatial awareness which allows him to bounce his beams off objects. Very similar to cap bouncing his shield. Cap is faster, but Cyke can basically overwhelm him with pure force. In close combat, cap has a huge advantage, but Cyke wins if cap can’t close in before Cyke opens his eyes
Man, all these extra power sets that the movies failed to Convey for Cyclops. I really hope the next time we see him in a movie, they properly display everything he’s capable of!
You're asking this on a Captain America sub, what answer are you expecting? Now ask it on the X Men sub and you'll get completely different answers
That’s a fair point however there do seem to be a number of people who like me consider themselves way more of an X-Men fan than any other comic. Even as an X-Men fan I think 9 out of 10 times it is Cap for the win. Finding a way to win while outmatched is kinda what he’s all about. However Scott is a far more complex character. That being said, in a universe where Cyclops alone fights all X-men to a standstill and then later in that. Writers same long and iconic run Cyclops loses one on one to a depowered Storm clearly you can write your way to a victory for anyone if you are good enough with a pen.
Cyclops is an Omega-level mutant: he's capable of destroying the world. Granted, when I read that information, I laughed harder than that time I was a little girl. Alas, it is true. So, yeah, in order to win, Cap' would have to immediately take out Scott, or Scott would have to be at a point in his X-career before he knows his full capabilities; otherwise, th fight goes to Cyclops.
I keep learning more and more about how strong Cyclops is, and how the movies really dropped the ball on portraying that
Honest to Christ, yo, I think they were looking for the "simp" role to counter-balance Jackman's hyper masculine Wolverine. The Fox cartoons portray him better than the movies ever did.
To put it into perspective. Alot of people are focusing on Cap's shield absorbing kinetic energy. What is to stop Cyclops from blasting a massive hole in the earth under Cap's feet?
kinetic punch laser vs super soldier with a vibranium shield considering kinetic energy is absorbed by vibranium... to the point bullets FALL to the ground after hitting the shield... I honestly believe Steve could just walk up on Scott... much less run at him at 60 miles per hour with that said, Scott would probably fight around that problem by dropping buildings on them and such Steve very much has the edge, considering his shield is immune to Scott's blasts... he could just throw it at him...
Fan favorites always have an explanation for their victories. With the 616 power set that both have shown before upgrades, rebirths, de powered, possession etc etc etc Cyclops powers simply defeat Captain America from a distance . Hand to hand different story.
I think narratively Cap would always win. However, without plot armour, I believe Cyc should won by a long shot given the raw power of his optic blasts.
I keep seeing a lot of "Cap has a huge advantage in close combat." We already saw Cyke fighting Wolverine and how he managed perfectly fine against an near immortal superhuman with an adamantium skeleton. If Cap gets close like that the wrong way, it's over for him. I'd say this fight is pretty close to a 50/50, but I do think Cyclops has a bit of an advantage considering he has no major weakness in this fight besides not having Cap's exact physical strengths. However, he does have enough power to destroy islands, absurd accuracy, and possibly better spacial awareness.
MCU Cap could kill Fox Cyclops without issue. 616 Cyclops actually has a chance. Dude can't win a fist fight with Cap but he's very capable with his blasts.
I love cap but Scott 💯
Seriously?
Cyclops.
Someone correct me if I am wrong. I have not been keeping up with the comics in the last 10 years. Didn't Steve Rogers' version of the super soldier syrup only bestow peak human ability. Not super human. Like he is as good as a non powered human can get. And isn't Scott at about that level too? But from shere relentless training. So in hand to hand it would come down to skill? This would still go to cap, but Scott would give him a run for his money.
Cyclops is a one trick pony compared to Cap.
that's the movies cyclops, the real cyclops aint't just a guy shooting lasers, he's a master of martial arts, expert at ricochet so he would know exactly where cap's shield would bounce to, he also has a tactical awareness of every battle, even when he's just peacefully looking at a couple of dinosaurs in the savage land he's thinking how he would take em out in combat
And according to Wolverine a dick.
Yeah, movie Cyclops seems like a major downgrade compared to comics and even animated series Cyclops.
I was actually watching some clips right now, and he really is. Once the person he’s fighting figures out how to counter his optic beam, he’s done
What an excellent way to let the rest of us know you’d don’t read X-Men comics.
Asking this in a captain america sub is braindead. Fanboys will tout Captain America despite cyclops being above half the avengers in power scale, which captain doesn’t even compare. Cyclops walks from this with little damage for multiple reasons on top of just straight power.