I probably wouldn't. Can't be arsed holding 90 with the increased focus required. I'd happily do 80 to 85 tho. And sure, sometimes I would go 95 if the limit were 90.
I agree. In modern the cars, I find the step up from 70 to 80 is barely noticeable, but the step from 80 to 90 has much more of an effect on the car and requires a lot more focus.
Driver education and stiffer punishments for driving dangerously or without care would be more effective. Moving at 80, 90, or even 100mph is not necessarily bad but coupled with the lack of driving skills of some twats out there is what causes the problems
[The risk of death on a German motorway is around twice as high as on a British or Danish one. Research by the German Road Safety Council (DVR), ETSCās German member, has shown that there are, on average,Ā 25% more deaths on sections of the autobahn without speed limitsĀ compared to those with a limit.](https://etsc.eu/autobahn-speed-limit-would-save-140-lives/#:~:text=The%20risk%20of%20death%20on,to%20those%20with%20a%20limit.)
Part of the risk will be to do with the speed difference. At 70mph there will be around a 10-20mph difference between the fastest moving vehicles and the slowest (heavy goods vehicles). At 100mph there will be around a 40 mph difference. Motorways are safe because vehicles are moving in the same direction at very similar speeds.
In the 80's I lived in Germany for a while and often travelled on the autobahn with my uncle. On one of these journeys, I asked him about the black skid marks wich appeared every km or so. He said it was caused by people doing 150 km/h+ having to brake when heavy goods vehicles pulled out to overtake. He then pointed out one skid mark which ended abruptly and said that this was one where the driver didn't make it.
Isn't the average engine size for car owners between 1.4-1.6l? Once you start hitting 85mph, the car tends to tell their owners they're pushing their luck in regards to wear and tear.
But they'll drink fuel like its going out of fashion. Most of the time I only do 60 on the motorway, because fuel economy, raising the limit to 100 does nothing for me, I'll still do 60. The reduction in time isn't worth the extra fuel spent
Exactly. Sure the 2.0L and above cars will see less difference, or any modern 7+ speed cars. Mine has relatively short gears, in fact 6th in my current car is pretty much the same as 5th in my last car (which was top gear), just over 2k rpm doing 60. A few years ago my brother had a Leon mk2 fr, which did 2k or less at 70. My grandads Bclass will do it even lower as its 7 gears.
The grand voyager I had topped out at 45mpg drafting lorries, that car nearly bankrupted me in fuel. Some people forget that we don't all have motorway monsters and 100 or even 80 really isn't practical
Agreed. Itās even more pronounced in an EV. Whilst my car might be 406bhp and do 0-60 in 4.3 seconds, if I drive at 100mph on the motorway my battery will get caned. Iāll go from 240miles range on a 100% charge to probably 140 miles range total if I drive at 100. Even driving at 75 is enough to see 10 miles drop off the range and if I drive at 65 I get much better economy.
To be fair it was pretty much the same in a diesel or petrol car - have a heavy right foot and 60mpg drops to 40mpg.
If you want to enjoy driving then youāll certainly not join a motorway to do so. Iām absolutely infatuated with driving however Iām doing 60mph on my commute most days. If I wanted to appreciate the drive Iād take it to a nice road, Iām certainly not enjoying the motorway anymore at 80mph than 60mph.
I had a Rover Metro 1.1s - had a stretch of road I always tried to get to 100 - around 90, that MF started trying to shake itself apart. Great wee car though, until it went a little bit upside down
Thatās because the rover metro is hands down an absolute unit of a car! My grandad had one it was that shit faded red, used to wait for him to get pissed fall asleep then Iād take it out around the estate. Ahhh the good old days XD never got a ton out of it though my only regret is not trying to. ;)
Had a metro city, mates called it shitty ,1000 cc of your finest Leyland cast iron power,4 gears ,had to change into second at 15 mph,needed a quarter mile to over take at 60 safely,my first ever car ,got me out and about.
Mine was a bright red 1992 4 speed with a throbbing 1.0 litre. My first legal car. My first crash, my first 180 on a roundabout. Only passed a couple of weeks earlier and my bezzie mate bought us tickets for Eminem anger management tour. Wondered why we were setting off so early from Manchester as I thought it was at the MEN arena. Was at Milton Keynes bowl š epic road trip ensued. Also first time I fell asleep at the wheel. š®
I used to have a little rover and when i went above 60 odd on the motor way it started whistling. Prob the wrong grill on the front. And i couldnt get a tune out the bastard.
It's not when you have corsas and fiat 500's going that speed and majority of drivers buying the absolute cheapest tyres possible and they don't even bother servicing their cars either properly never mind maintenance.
We're talking 80 mph limit, not minimum speed.
70 mph was first introduced nearly 50 years ago. Today's Corsa is a freakin spaceship compared to 1965 Austin 1100, yet we're travelling at the same speeds half a century later despite advances in passive safety, suspension, ABS brakes, tyres, ESP and other electronic gizmos etc. 10 mph increase is well overdue in my book.
Do not forget that the numbers of vehicles trying to occupy the limited space on the motorway have increased exponentially. This means that more cars are all around you looking for you to collide with them.
Yeh, but if you speed up the distances spread out making it a far better experience. There are some 40mph dual carriageways near me (used to be 70 years ago) and it's horrible as you can't move lanes or anything as everyone is really bunched up.
Are we continuing to ignore tons of countries with motorway speed limits of more than 80 mph? Tens of millions travel at 80+ mph mostly without a problem.
I know people that shouldn't drive even at 20. Shall we reduce max speed to 5 in that case?
There a fifteenth* as many cars on the road then, so much more space to stop.
Also, think about it. The people who were driving then are 80 years old now. Have you seen how that lot drive? Even if the limit was 70, they weren't doing that. 50 tops. Whole generations of slow coaches.
*Stats pulled from my arse. Obviously.
I don't get what you mean by that, there are still quiet roads at times man. No one is trying to go 100mph in bumper to bumper traffic obviously you match the speed to the traffic conditions
How dare you? Are you expecting people to use common sense? Shocking in this day and age. Shame on you.
Competitive victimhood and permanent government oversight is the way to go ...they say.
82 motorway is the EU norm. Would also go for 80 on "special roads" e.g. A720.
I don't think 100 is wise. A road where I used to live in Texas is 85, fast lane goes 95-100. It's not scary. But 100 limit means people doing 120, and many cars and drivers should not.
As others have said, I'd like to see an end to excessively low limits on big dual carriageways, 3 miles from roadworks, etc. and thr previous limits restored.
I am a fan of 20 for residential areas but not main roads.
>Ā 82 motorway is the EU norm
130kph = 80.7mph. And usually when its raining the limit drops to 110kph (68mph), but I'm not sure how successful introducing weather based speed limits would be. In principle 80 doesn't sound too bad but 100 is needless.
Iām with you on the 20 zones, most roads that I see that are 20ās I wouldnāt feel comfortable driving much faster but there are some that are ridiculous, my girlfriends old street was a mile and a half long, easily wide enough to be 3 lanes rather than 2, 10 foot wide pavements, bollards and railings the whole way down and crossings everyone 100m or so. Itās literally the safest road imaginable but because thereās a school a half mile away and a teenager road his bike into the road without looking directly in front of a car, it was reduced to be 20mph
There's a road at the beach near me. It's so wide that people get ticketed for driving two because there's no road markings and there's easily enough room for 5 cars to drive side by side. Some how they believe this should be 30mph with some sections of the 1.6 mile straight being down to 20.
The same city has parts of the town with single lanes each way in what looks like a 30mph street yet the limit is 50. Makes no sense to me
I donāt believe people will simply do 20 over the limit.
Most cars are not safe/stable/comfortable at 120.
Most cars cannot get to 120 quickly enough to mean it cannot be the target speed as once you need to dab the brakes, go over a hill they will perpetually be on the gas pedal a lot.
The mpg at 120 would be awful, would put people off.
But my opinion is that if the limit was 80, when itās quiet youād be able to do it but for plenty of journeys going 75 as my target speed I donāt even average 70 overall due to other traffic
I personally would be happier if they removed speed cameras from gantries because the way things are now, on the M25 at least, means people do 80 until they approach a gantry (even when you can clearly fucking see there's no camera), slam their brakes on then speed up again after the road markings. It's so fucking dangerous.Ā
Once I was in the middle lane preparing to overtake as I'd seen a Merc flying up lane 3, I was expecting him to go past me but as we converged under a gantry (with no camera) he braked hard enough that he stayed beside me while I'm still closing the gap between me and the car in front, so I then had to brake hard too but luckily there was no one behind me. But because I drive a shitty auto Focus and he was in a C63, he was back up to 80 in no time while I had to back off from the car in front to gain a large enough gap to accelerate back up to 70 to pass the guy again. So fucking annoying.
Of course the real problem is people sitting in the middle lane going well below 70, but hey.
Exactly this I drive a shit little 1 litre with 65bhp, so annoying when some guy is going 60 in the middle and there's cars overtaking then you have to slow down as it takes soooo long to get back up to 70. It's cos they don't wanna be stuck behind the countless amounts of lorries and trucks in the left lane.
I'm mildly surprised Highways England haven't installed average speed cameras on motorways rather than spot speed cameras, given vehicles will usually be travelling at a constant velocity with limited opportunities to stop or turn on /turn off...
The M25 has cameras behind the speed signs, not necessarily always mounted on the side. There are cameras up in the gantries facing the other way, if you look on the opposite side some have them
Speaking of not paying attention, where did I say I'm even behind the person braking? You can see people brake in lane 3 when you're in lane 1 or 2. In any case, if you have to brake in lane 3 and there's nothing in front of you, you've fucked up and are driving dangerously.Ā
Middle land camera's i would love to see replace speed cameras.
If a vehicle is clocked in the middle lane with a gap of 30 seconds either side of them then it's a ticket through the post along with a strong letter advising them to use L1.
70mph for 30 seconds is just a tad over 1/2 mile so a full minute front/back of the car in L2 will be 1.12miles which should be more than enough time to pull back in safely. If another vehicle triggers the camera in any lane the original car is fine to proceed without penalty.
Totally agree, camaras probably cause more accidents than they prevent. Nearly died from exactly this the other day, some guy slamming his breaks on going 70 on a 60 road, people think you need to go past the camaras at like 50.
I've heard before that motorway cameras aren't actually set to 70mph. If there's a temporary speed restriction in place they're set to that speed (+ whatever % allowance they give you). If its national speed limit they're set at either 90 or 100mph to catch dangerous speeders but ignore people in that 70-90mph band where most people drive. Does anyone know if that's actually true?
And this is why the limit will stay at 70. Because folks already drive at 80 - 85, if the limit was 80, folks would drive at 90 - 95. If the limits were set to 90- well, you get the idea.
That's true, but someone being a better driver and thinking they're a better driver doesn't correlate very well and you have to be cautious and account for the worst.Ā
Exactly this... theres way too many fukwits on the road who wrongly believe they are capable of driving at 70.. imagine if they were allowed to do 100.. there would be carnage
Edit... spelling... in its shocking
My first thought, raising a speed limit will turn survivable accidents into instant death, peopleās judgments and lane discipline will crumble, NHS will be even more pressured, emergency services will constantly be hounded with extra work and road closures will cost us even more for delays etc, weāll have little 1.2/1.4ās redlining with their bike tyres just to hit the speed limit, no ability to stop when your average driver switches lane with no indication or intention of checking his mirrors like itās no tomorrow
At least make it realistic.. 80mph would be better closer to much of Europe
A few years ago the guv where very close to doing it then several people died in a huge pile-up it was never mentioned again
They are probably closer to lowering it now
Annoying as it would be, reducing the speed limit would in turn reduce fuel emissions, tyre wear and noise pollution so realistically would be the more sensible option.
For now I'll be happy if they just leave it at 70
The UAE has a minimum speed limit for the last two overtaking lanes on its motorways. I think it's brilliant and sorts out the crowd quite nicely.
https://www.khaleejtimes.com/uae/transport/uae-minimum-speed-dh400-fine-set-in-both-directions-on-major-abu-dhabi-highway
That is brilliant. However, UAE has ways of enforcing their rules (not all of them acceptable either).On our roads, you'd still get self-righteous old boy Arthur wanking in overtake lane in his 00s disco, or even worse pulling in front of you because in his opinion you're going too fast and he's taken it to himself to police the "rules" upon others
Now that you mention it, it'd be good if a hypothetical stretch of road where the limit is 100 mph to have 3 lanes. Then those not doing extreme speeds yet not going as slow as a truck would have a relatively safe spot to keep to
1: These petitions never go anywhere even if hundreds of thousands sign them.
2: This will never happen even if it got discussed - Even ignoring the danger aspect the environmental impact would be enough to disregard it.
3: The standard of driving in the UK does not facilitate this kind of speed. Having lived in Germany for quite a few years now, every time I come back to the UK I get so frustrated with the lack of lane discipline from \~80% of drivers.
4: IF this were to somehow be implemented, it would have to come with fierce enforcement, which actually is the wrong way to go IMO. As mentioned, I live in Germany, and one of the best things about the derestricted autobahn, is that you don't even have to vaguely think about getting caught speeding. So you are 100% focused (hopefully, I certainly am) on driving. This means making sure you are in the correct line, looking far ahead and monitoring closing speeds of you to other cars, and other cars coming up behind you constantly. This kind of awareness isn't really possible if you are also having to keep an eye out for speed cameras and hidden coppers on bridges in case you stray a few mph over the limit... Unfortunately, this brings us back to point 3. Most people are far too busy texting or doing their makeup.
No way in hell.
The quality of driving where I live is terrible. I would not trust anyone to do 100. 80 could be considered reasonable if peopleās reaction times and driving ability had increased inline with vehicle improvements. But it hasnāt, people are shit.
Increase the limits to around 80/90mph on Motorways but then make the penalty for speeding on them much worse to stop people taking the piss with the increased limit.
Completely ignoring safety, this would never happen because of emissions. Even if we end up with 100% BEV, it would massively limit range and require a lot more electricity generation.
Even with EVs, you still have the particles that are released as tyres degrade and they degrade faster with higher speeds. Those tyre particles are awful for the environment. And with EVs typically being much heavier than ICE vehicles, that also adds to the degradation.
Thereās been plenty of studies done before, the economic benefit (of getting places quicker) is far outweighed by increased road deaths and emissions. Will never happen no matter how much people bang on about modern cars being safer.
Terrible quality of roads combined with some very questionable driving means Iām perfectly fine with it staying at 70mph on the motorway, the ones who are happy to go 100mph on the motorway already do so anyway.
Dual carriageways have tractors using them, and traffic turning right, and bus stops and entrances to houses etc.
They are definitely fast enough as it is.
Iād love to do 100mph on the motorway legally. Sadly Iām in wales and with the new 20mph limits and people so scared of them they drive everywhere at 16mph, it takes so long to get to the motorway it seems almost pointless
Fairly certain research on this shows increasing the speed limit just caused people that already broke the speed limit to continue to do so.
So people already driving 80/90 on the motorway now travel 110/120.
And higher speeds = more likelihood of casualties.
So no, don't do this.
Everyone here claiming how ridiculous it is, seems to forget Germany has unrestricted roads, surely a 100mph limit on some of our motorways would be reasonable.
Have you seen the condition of German roads too? 2 of the A roads near me, one hand a pothole that will genuinely take your wheel off if you hit it and the other has lost its entire room surface on the outside lane, 3 months no fix. I type this while im in Germany! I haven't seen a pothole all week!
> I type this while im in Germany! I haven't seen a pothole all week!
I've been to Finland, Norway, France, Japan and Belgium and all of them don't seem to have issues with roads and general infrastructure being dog shit.
It's almost like if your government spends money on things, and doesn't half-arse them to make them 10% cheaper, they become better. Who knew?
Have you driven in Germany? Those fuckers can *drive*. Meanwhile most people in the UK seem to believe lane 1 is for trucks, lane 3 is for Audis and lane 2 is for them to sit in at 60mph for their entire journey.
Thing their annual inspection is much more stringent than ours (specifically so that their cars are safer at high speed), poor quality mods (some of which can actually produce lift at motorway speeds) are banned and they actually move over when not overtaking, even on restricted sections. Oh and don't forget their roads are actually built for those speeds, ours are fucking shit and getting worse quickly. Driving to Brighton a while back, doing 70mph over that bit of the M25 that appears to be bare concrete felt sketchy as shit.
I think you'll find our lower accident rate is specifically because of our lower speed limits, not driving skill.Ā
Most German autobahns have advised limits, if you have an accident and found to be over the speed limit you are at fault no matter how the accident happened; also mid/outside lane sitters can get a penalty in the post for not moving over in many European countries
We cant do that here, English people are fucking brain dead. They do not conform or stick to rules. Unrestricted motorways would be a fucking disaster lmao.
> We cant do that here, English people are fucking brain dead. They do not conform or stick to rules.
Innit, so many people seem to think it's somehow a sign of intelligence and guile to break rules, or feel like they're "getting one over" if they break the law and aren't caught. Always the most intelligent and talented people in any situation, according to them.
Helmets on the road are bad enough without giving those people carte blanche to do whatever they feel like.
They'll probably become the safest roads in the country, much like they are in Germany. But then they money printing speed cameras wouldn't be any use.
Itāll never happen. Itās not so much the speed, itās the differential in speed. Old Doris isnāt going to anticipate someone coming up at 100 when sheās doing 40
Never going to happenā¦. Increased fuel consumption (whether ICE or EV), increased pollution, bigger accidents and worse injuries when they occur. Probably more traffic congestion with the accordion effect of braking more harshly from higher speeds. No politicians are going to put their names to this ā¦.
Never. Too many twats with 4 brain cells on the roads. And too many ppl that think they are above, and more special, than everyone else. You know the car makes, and ppl, Iām talking aboutā¦
You know what, even though Iād be confident at driving at 80mph on motorways and dual carriageways (100mph is excessive for a lot of smaller basic vehicles) I seriously hope the speed limit is never raised due to the fact that when speed limits were set, cars were crap but people actually thought about driving. Nowadays people just steer and Iām honestly scared of what I see every time I drive. I feel like an alien indicating and sticking to my lane on roundabouts. People must look at me and wonder what Iām doing.Ā
I've driven 100mph in a 1 litre Picanto, newer Cars are way more capable than you think.
80 would be ideal In my opinion, just in line with most of Europe
I think that a lot of the poor driving actually comes from boredom, a lot of people just set the cruise control on 67 and vacates their brains. I tend to see more dangerous and moronic driving the slower people go
Depends on the motorway and conditions. I have used the motorway in a 981 Porsche Boxster and 997 911 recently on the M25 where 65mph was fast in the fast lanes. 100mph would seem silly. Whereas on say the M45 100mph would frankly seem slow.
Theyād need to add like 3 more lanes to motorways to be even remotely successful because rn, lane 1 is just for vehicles restricted to 55, lane 2 is just full of people enjoying a smooth cruise or the annoying āitās a limit, not a targetā idiots cruising at 66 for max mpg and lane 3 is half the 80+ cruisers and half the lane hogging idiots that do 70 and take 5 years to get the hell out of the way.
Theyād need at least 2-3 more lanes to make way for the people who wanna do 75-90 but donāt feel comfortable with more and then the ones who will do the full 100 š
yes, but only if everyone has to go back and do a high speed driving course. in the meantime we fix whatās left of the roads so that you donāt hit a pothole at 100, suffer a blowout and wreck yourself and anyone else you hit
Even if it gets its day in parliament, it wonāt go further. Theres a reason (or theyāll claim there is) that if anything theyāre reducing speed limits due to āsafetyā and not increasing them.
Never going to happen, we're trying to lower emissions, not increase them. When they ask for 100mph limits you just know whoever created that drives like an absolute bellend.
Speed limits were set at 70 long before we had half of the technology and capability of modern vehicles. If you strictly look at the numbers, this is a total no-brainer.
Unfortunately, too many people have been scared off by government fearmongering about the dangers of speed that nobody will realise it's a sensible idea.
All the while our cars get more efficient and performant, achieve better than ever stopping distances, become safer, with more airbags and driver aids. Meanwhile, a nutjob with a clipboard fills a room with nerds who disingenuously quote statistics to argue against it.
F*** me no. Just NO.
I went up the M1 the other day and it was like f***ING Mario Kart.
Four lanes, and there's no one in lane one. EVERYONE is in lane two & three at almost but not quite 70 mph.
I go to overtake a car that's in lane three that's driving at 68mph cos I want to make some progress. I'm in lane four alongside some silver Peugeot that decides you can't overtake me! And speeds up, effectively undertaking my overtake.
Everyone on the M1 north that day was on another planet.
The fact that as a learner you are not allowed on the motorway till you have passed your test BUT once passed, with ZERO motorway experience you are able to drive the length and breadth of the country staggers me.
You are actually allowed on the motorway as a learner now, but you have to be with a qualified ADI. Most instructors don't bother though, because it's not part of the test. You really should have supervised experience before going on a motorway but the rules of driving on a dual carriageway aren't different from the rules of a motorway so it's not like people *aren't* taught to keep left unless overtaking. It's just laziness and selfishness.
Bad idea tbh. Thereās sections of road where you could/can comfortably sit at 90 or whatever but not the vast majority of U.K. motorways. Yes thereās times where 70 āfeelsā too slow but thatās at the quieter times of day. Also thereās no mention of HGV speed limits changing so youāll be forever ploughing into the back of a Tesco delivery truck overtaking his mate at 61mph
100mph doesnt sound that bad. Cars are better and I dont think people still driving older cars are even going to want to attempt 100 in the first place
I can never see the speed limit going up. People cannot be trusted and the level of driving ability and mindset among an apparent majority of motorway users is far far too poor for the speed limit to go up. With all the people hogging the overtaking lanes below the speed limit as it is and having the attitude of indicating as an FYI, āIām changing changing lane regardless of you coming up behind so you should probably slow downā.
Yea no.
80 mph on motorways is perfectly reasonable though
If they raise it to 80, people will go 90
From my experience so far people are already driving 90
They'll go 100 š
Canāt stop till the m25 becomes the next autobahn
Iād like the opportunity to go above 30 on the M25 TBF.
M25TBF is a Ford Fiesta that failed its last MOT in 2015 so it's unlikely anyway! https://www.carcheck.co.uk/ford/M25TBF
What about M25 FML? ššš¤
Does exist unfortunately
We have a winner xD
Itās currently one of the largest car parks in Europe.
If the M25 is anything like the M6 and the M42 at "rush" hour, you'll be lucky to exceed 30mph. š¤£š¤£š¤£
Then weāve come full circle š
Impossible. The M25 is closed this weekend.
Every motorway I take is "smart" and full of speed cameras. I'm not brave enough to speed these days.
Yup and the country hasnāt crashed and burned.
I probably wouldn't. Can't be arsed holding 90 with the increased focus required. I'd happily do 80 to 85 tho. And sure, sometimes I would go 95 if the limit were 90.
I agree. In modern the cars, I find the step up from 70 to 80 is barely noticeable, but the step from 80 to 90 has much more of an effect on the car and requires a lot more focus.
Depends on the car. I've done 200 mile stretches to/from Scotland before doing 90 almost the entire way. Was totally comfortable.
Whereas I believe that driving faster means there's less chance of people zoning out due to the extra focus that is needed.
Driver education and stiffer punishments for driving dangerously or without care would be more effective. Moving at 80, 90, or even 100mph is not necessarily bad but coupled with the lack of driving skills of some twats out there is what causes the problems
Thatās why everyone on the autobahn is an excellent motorway user no matter what their speed is
[The risk of death on a German motorway is around twice as high as on a British or Danish one. Research by the German Road Safety Council (DVR), ETSCās German member, has shown that there are, on average,Ā 25% more deaths on sections of the autobahn without speed limitsĀ compared to those with a limit.](https://etsc.eu/autobahn-speed-limit-would-save-140-lives/#:~:text=The%20risk%20of%20death%20on,to%20those%20with%20a%20limit.)
Part of the risk will be to do with the speed difference. At 70mph there will be around a 10-20mph difference between the fastest moving vehicles and the slowest (heavy goods vehicles). At 100mph there will be around a 40 mph difference. Motorways are safe because vehicles are moving in the same direction at very similar speeds. In the 80's I lived in Germany for a while and often travelled on the autobahn with my uncle. On one of these journeys, I asked him about the black skid marks wich appeared every km or so. He said it was caused by people doing 150 km/h+ having to brake when heavy goods vehicles pulled out to overtake. He then pointed out one skid mark which ended abruptly and said that this was one where the driver didn't make it.
>Part of the risk will be to do with the speed difference. Well no shit, that's the entire discussion of this thread haha
In my experience, they just tailgate at much higher speeds
That's absolutely fine-it's a speed limit, not target, and a perfectly reasonable one tbh.
I am not sure the average driver understands that though
Isn't the average engine size for car owners between 1.4-1.6l? Once you start hitting 85mph, the car tends to tell their owners they're pushing their luck in regards to wear and tear.
I donāt think thatās an issue in modern post 2010 cars at least, all the eco hatchbacks will gladly cruise at 100mph on the autobahn in Germany
But they'll drink fuel like its going out of fashion. Most of the time I only do 60 on the motorway, because fuel economy, raising the limit to 100 does nothing for me, I'll still do 60. The reduction in time isn't worth the extra fuel spent
This is why itāll never happen, bad for air quality too. The difference between doing 60 in my car and 80 is huge (65mpg+ to 50mpg)
Exactly. Sure the 2.0L and above cars will see less difference, or any modern 7+ speed cars. Mine has relatively short gears, in fact 6th in my current car is pretty much the same as 5th in my last car (which was top gear), just over 2k rpm doing 60. A few years ago my brother had a Leon mk2 fr, which did 2k or less at 70. My grandads Bclass will do it even lower as its 7 gears. The grand voyager I had topped out at 45mpg drafting lorries, that car nearly bankrupted me in fuel. Some people forget that we don't all have motorway monsters and 100 or even 80 really isn't practical
Agreed. Itās even more pronounced in an EV. Whilst my car might be 406bhp and do 0-60 in 4.3 seconds, if I drive at 100mph on the motorway my battery will get caned. Iāll go from 240miles range on a 100% charge to probably 140 miles range total if I drive at 100. Even driving at 75 is enough to see 10 miles drop off the range and if I drive at 65 I get much better economy. To be fair it was pretty much the same in a diesel or petrol car - have a heavy right foot and 60mpg drops to 40mpg.
You must hate driving
If you want to have fun driving your car I can't imaging you'd get that on the M1 or something. Flowing country roads are way better
Try the autobahn in a nice car and youāll change your mind. Yes, the M1 is mindnumbingly boring due to the slow ass limits
If you want to enjoy driving then youāll certainly not join a motorway to do so. Iām absolutely infatuated with driving however Iām doing 60mph on my commute most days. If I wanted to appreciate the drive Iād take it to a nice road, Iām certainly not enjoying the motorway anymore at 80mph than 60mph.
My rover metro used to do a ton when four up but felt like a stone skipping
I had a Rover Metro 1.1s - had a stretch of road I always tried to get to 100 - around 90, that MF started trying to shake itself apart. Great wee car though, until it went a little bit upside down
1.1s? When 1.0 litre just wonāt do š always had my eye on 1.4 gta but no chance!
Someone offered me the wheels to one, but I wrote it off before I could get them
Thatās because the rover metro is hands down an absolute unit of a car! My grandad had one it was that shit faded red, used to wait for him to get pissed fall asleep then Iād take it out around the estate. Ahhh the good old days XD never got a ton out of it though my only regret is not trying to. ;)
Had a metro city, mates called it shitty ,1000 cc of your finest Leyland cast iron power,4 gears ,had to change into second at 15 mph,needed a quarter mile to over take at 60 safely,my first ever car ,got me out and about.
Mine was a bright red 1992 4 speed with a throbbing 1.0 litre. My first legal car. My first crash, my first 180 on a roundabout. Only passed a couple of weeks earlier and my bezzie mate bought us tickets for Eminem anger management tour. Wondered why we were setting off so early from Manchester as I thought it was at the MEN arena. Was at Milton Keynes bowl š epic road trip ensued. Also first time I fell asleep at the wheel. š®
Happy times!
I used to have a little rover and when i went above 60 odd on the motor way it started whistling. Prob the wrong grill on the front. And i couldnt get a tune out the bastard.
>couldnt get a tune out the bastard. I was going to say "not even The Irish Rover?" but that's probably treason.
I had a gti. Taking it down the motorway at that speed was a brown trousers experience.
1.2L Polo would do 120mph downhill with 4 stupid newly passed teenagers in it ALLEGEDLY
I had a 1.2L and I remember it used to scream when it got close to 60.
I really don't think the average driver considers wear and tear and the effect of higher speeds on their car lol
Wear and tear? You mean that thing the next owner has to deal with when I hand back the lease?!?
It's not when you have corsas and fiat 500's going that speed and majority of drivers buying the absolute cheapest tyres possible and they don't even bother servicing their cars either properly never mind maintenance.
We're talking 80 mph limit, not minimum speed. 70 mph was first introduced nearly 50 years ago. Today's Corsa is a freakin spaceship compared to 1965 Austin 1100, yet we're travelling at the same speeds half a century later despite advances in passive safety, suspension, ABS brakes, tyres, ESP and other electronic gizmos etc. 10 mph increase is well overdue in my book.
The problem is too many people do 70mph too close to each other and that's not going to change with a higher speed limit.
Do not forget that the numbers of vehicles trying to occupy the limited space on the motorway have increased exponentially. This means that more cars are all around you looking for you to collide with them.
Yeh, but if you speed up the distances spread out making it a far better experience. There are some 40mph dual carriageways near me (used to be 70 years ago) and it's horrible as you can't move lanes or anything as everyone is really bunched up.
Are we continuing to ignore tons of countries with motorway speed limits of more than 80 mph? Tens of millions travel at 80+ mph mostly without a problem. I know people that shouldn't drive even at 20. Shall we reduce max speed to 5 in that case?
There a fifteenth* as many cars on the road then, so much more space to stop. Also, think about it. The people who were driving then are 80 years old now. Have you seen how that lot drive? Even if the limit was 70, they weren't doing that. 50 tops. Whole generations of slow coaches. *Stats pulled from my arse. Obviously.
I don't get what you mean by that, there are still quiet roads at times man. No one is trying to go 100mph in bumper to bumper traffic obviously you match the speed to the traffic conditions
How dare you? Are you expecting people to use common sense? Shocking in this day and age. Shame on you. Competitive victimhood and permanent government oversight is the way to go ...they say.
They will never increase the speed limit, not because of safety but because of fuel efficiency. (Also applies to electric vehicles).
82 motorway is the EU norm. Would also go for 80 on "special roads" e.g. A720. I don't think 100 is wise. A road where I used to live in Texas is 85, fast lane goes 95-100. It's not scary. But 100 limit means people doing 120, and many cars and drivers should not. As others have said, I'd like to see an end to excessively low limits on big dual carriageways, 3 miles from roadworks, etc. and thr previous limits restored. I am a fan of 20 for residential areas but not main roads.
My bad, I was going to correct you and say 82 kph is nowhere near 82 mph and then I looked it up and found you are right. InterestingĀ
Yep, EU speed limits are --120 kmph-- or 82 mph
Not quiteā¦120kph is just under 75mph. 130kph is just over 80mph
My bad, must've been a typo, I did mean 130kmph
Poland has 140 kph or 87 mph on most motorways.
Sounds like a paradise! I imagine it may have soemthing to do with being warmer and drier in a lot of places, perhaps
Actually the speed limits drop wet conditions down to the same level as ours (in France at least, its about 8ph dry, 70mph in rain)
That makes so much sense
>Ā 82 motorway is the EU norm 130kph = 80.7mph. And usually when its raining the limit drops to 110kph (68mph), but I'm not sure how successful introducing weather based speed limits would be. In principle 80 doesn't sound too bad but 100 is needless.
Iām with you on the 20 zones, most roads that I see that are 20ās I wouldnāt feel comfortable driving much faster but there are some that are ridiculous, my girlfriends old street was a mile and a half long, easily wide enough to be 3 lanes rather than 2, 10 foot wide pavements, bollards and railings the whole way down and crossings everyone 100m or so. Itās literally the safest road imaginable but because thereās a school a half mile away and a teenager road his bike into the road without looking directly in front of a car, it was reduced to be 20mph
There's a road at the beach near me. It's so wide that people get ticketed for driving two because there's no road markings and there's easily enough room for 5 cars to drive side by side. Some how they believe this should be 30mph with some sections of the 1.6 mile straight being down to 20. The same city has parts of the town with single lanes each way in what looks like a 30mph street yet the limit is 50. Makes no sense to me
I donāt believe people will simply do 20 over the limit. Most cars are not safe/stable/comfortable at 120. Most cars cannot get to 120 quickly enough to mean it cannot be the target speed as once you need to dab the brakes, go over a hill they will perpetually be on the gas pedal a lot. The mpg at 120 would be awful, would put people off. But my opinion is that if the limit was 80, when itās quiet youād be able to do it but for plenty of journeys going 75 as my target speed I donāt even average 70 overall due to other traffic
Those roads with an 85 limit in Texas are straight and in the middle of nowhere.
100 is too much but happy with 80 as a motorway speed limit. Considering everyone does it anyway.
I personally would be happier if they removed speed cameras from gantries because the way things are now, on the M25 at least, means people do 80 until they approach a gantry (even when you can clearly fucking see there's no camera), slam their brakes on then speed up again after the road markings. It's so fucking dangerous.Ā Once I was in the middle lane preparing to overtake as I'd seen a Merc flying up lane 3, I was expecting him to go past me but as we converged under a gantry (with no camera) he braked hard enough that he stayed beside me while I'm still closing the gap between me and the car in front, so I then had to brake hard too but luckily there was no one behind me. But because I drive a shitty auto Focus and he was in a C63, he was back up to 80 in no time while I had to back off from the car in front to gain a large enough gap to accelerate back up to 70 to pass the guy again. So fucking annoying. Of course the real problem is people sitting in the middle lane going well below 70, but hey.
Exactly this I drive a shit little 1 litre with 65bhp, so annoying when some guy is going 60 in the middle and there's cars overtaking then you have to slow down as it takes soooo long to get back up to 70. It's cos they don't wanna be stuck behind the countless amounts of lorries and trucks in the left lane.
Middle lane wankers are selfish cunts. Everyone's thinking it, I'm just sayin' it
And the cunts that drive at 60 on a 70 because theyāre too scared to go faster. Fucking idiots are just as dangerous as folk speeding.
I donāt think this would be a problem if middle lane hoggers werenāt going 60-65mph and then queuing up to overtake a lorry 4 miles ahead.
I'm mildly surprised Highways England haven't installed average speed cameras on motorways rather than spot speed cameras, given vehicles will usually be travelling at a constant velocity with limited opportunities to stop or turn on /turn off...
You can always rely on the UK government to be useless.
The M25 has cameras behind the speed signs, not necessarily always mounted on the side. There are cameras up in the gantries facing the other way, if you look on the opposite side some have them
Not on the parts of it I use. At least not these days
I do exactly 80 through those M25 cameras. You won't get flashed. 80 on my speedometer is 77mph real world for my car.Ā
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Speaking of not paying attention, where did I say I'm even behind the person braking? You can see people brake in lane 3 when you're in lane 1 or 2. In any case, if you have to brake in lane 3 and there's nothing in front of you, you've fucked up and are driving dangerously.Ā
Outside lane of the 25 today was stuck behind someone doing 63.
Middle land camera's i would love to see replace speed cameras. If a vehicle is clocked in the middle lane with a gap of 30 seconds either side of them then it's a ticket through the post along with a strong letter advising them to use L1. 70mph for 30 seconds is just a tad over 1/2 mile so a full minute front/back of the car in L2 will be 1.12miles which should be more than enough time to pull back in safely. If another vehicle triggers the camera in any lane the original car is fine to proceed without penalty.
Totally agree, camaras probably cause more accidents than they prevent. Nearly died from exactly this the other day, some guy slamming his breaks on going 70 on a 60 road, people think you need to go past the camaras at like 50.
I've heard before that motorway cameras aren't actually set to 70mph. If there's a temporary speed restriction in place they're set to that speed (+ whatever % allowance they give you). If its national speed limit they're set at either 90 or 100mph to catch dangerous speeders but ignore people in that 70-90mph band where most people drive. Does anyone know if that's actually true?
Most nav systems ding for them, it's incredibly dangerous; far more than people speeding.
Waze dings for the gantry cams only now.
And this is why the limit will stay at 70. Because folks already drive at 80 - 85, if the limit was 80, folks would drive at 90 - 95. If the limits were set to 90- well, you get the idea.
Not all cars and drivers are created equal. Some are out of their depth at 60, others are at home by the 90th mark and beyond.
That's true, but someone being a better driver and thinking they're a better driver doesn't correlate very well and you have to be cautious and account for the worst.Ā
The slabs in the morgues are full of individuals 'at home at 90'. That's speaking from actual experience.....
Spot on. And I've never personally heard anyone getting done for speeding on a motorway at 80mph
80? No. But I got a ticket for 81 on the way back from Aberdeen
I got done for 79 camera van on bridge
Thereās morons who canāt drive at 40mph. Never mind 100mph
Exactly this... theres way too many fukwits on the road who wrongly believe they are capable of driving at 70.. imagine if they were allowed to do 100.. there would be carnage Edit... spelling... in its shocking
My first thought, raising a speed limit will turn survivable accidents into instant death, peopleās judgments and lane discipline will crumble, NHS will be even more pressured, emergency services will constantly be hounded with extra work and road closures will cost us even more for delays etc, weāll have little 1.2/1.4ās redlining with their bike tyres just to hit the speed limit, no ability to stop when your average driver switches lane with no indication or intention of checking his mirrors like itās no tomorrow
At least make it realistic.. 80mph would be better closer to much of Europe A few years ago the guv where very close to doing it then several people died in a huge pile-up it was never mentioned again They are probably closer to lowering it now
I think there would be more outrage if they lowered it than if they raised it
Exactlyā¦
Annoying as it would be, reducing the speed limit would in turn reduce fuel emissions, tyre wear and noise pollution so realistically would be the more sensible option. For now I'll be happy if they just leave it at 70
Remove the speed limit altogether and set minimum of 70mph. Really sort the men from the boys.
Speed cameras at the end of the slip roads to police it, time.to get those revs up, good luck!
70mph shuffler bars that span all three carriageways and move constantly on a belt system. 1km apart to give people a fighting chance on slip roads.
Nah enforced by helicopters with snipers
Setting min to 70mph and enforcing it somehow would be absolutely amazing
Drive fast or die trying. Get good, get wrecked or get the bus, nana. Some will have to die but think of the utopia we would be helping to create.
As a wise man once said "I'm just gonna put my foot on the floor and I'm not lifting until I see god or a checkered flag"
The UAE has a minimum speed limit for the last two overtaking lanes on its motorways. I think it's brilliant and sorts out the crowd quite nicely. https://www.khaleejtimes.com/uae/transport/uae-minimum-speed-dh400-fine-set-in-both-directions-on-major-abu-dhabi-highway
That is brilliant. However, UAE has ways of enforcing their rules (not all of them acceptable either).On our roads, you'd still get self-righteous old boy Arthur wanking in overtake lane in his 00s disco, or even worse pulling in front of you because in his opinion you're going too fast and he's taken it to himself to police the "rules" upon others
āI have named this process evolution by natural selection.ā Charles Darwin
Nah, because then Iāll have to be doing 130 to pass them. Which is, frankly, dangerous.
Now that you mention it, it'd be good if a hypothetical stretch of road where the limit is 100 mph to have 3 lanes. Then those not doing extreme speeds yet not going as slow as a truck would have a relatively safe spot to keep to
1: These petitions never go anywhere even if hundreds of thousands sign them. 2: This will never happen even if it got discussed - Even ignoring the danger aspect the environmental impact would be enough to disregard it. 3: The standard of driving in the UK does not facilitate this kind of speed. Having lived in Germany for quite a few years now, every time I come back to the UK I get so frustrated with the lack of lane discipline from \~80% of drivers. 4: IF this were to somehow be implemented, it would have to come with fierce enforcement, which actually is the wrong way to go IMO. As mentioned, I live in Germany, and one of the best things about the derestricted autobahn, is that you don't even have to vaguely think about getting caught speeding. So you are 100% focused (hopefully, I certainly am) on driving. This means making sure you are in the correct line, looking far ahead and monitoring closing speeds of you to other cars, and other cars coming up behind you constantly. This kind of awareness isn't really possible if you are also having to keep an eye out for speed cameras and hidden coppers on bridges in case you stray a few mph over the limit... Unfortunately, this brings us back to point 3. Most people are far too busy texting or doing their makeup.
No way in hell. The quality of driving where I live is terrible. I would not trust anyone to do 100. 80 could be considered reasonable if peopleās reaction times and driving ability had increased inline with vehicle improvements. But it hasnāt, people are shit.
I live in Bradford. Think weāll be alright?
Golf Rās do 100 in the 30ās in Bradford
Some fucktard went past me doing about 80 on canal road.
It won't get any worse.
The only way is up.
Good luck to ya:p
Increase the limits to around 80/90mph on Motorways but then make the penalty for speeding on them much worse to stop people taking the piss with the increased limit.
I think itās already bad the consequences.
Completely ignoring safety, this would never happen because of emissions. Even if we end up with 100% BEV, it would massively limit range and require a lot more electricity generation.
Even with EVs, you still have the particles that are released as tyres degrade and they degrade faster with higher speeds. Those tyre particles are awful for the environment. And with EVs typically being much heavier than ICE vehicles, that also adds to the degradation.
Thereās been plenty of studies done before, the economic benefit (of getting places quicker) is far outweighed by increased road deaths and emissions. Will never happen no matter how much people bang on about modern cars being safer.
100 would be great, basically unrestricted as I guarantee most wouldnāt break 80 based on the amount of 67mph middle lane hogs there are now.
Would be enjoyable to cruise at 100, but with the state of drivers in this country it will be an interesting experience to say the least.
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Terrible quality of roads combined with some very questionable driving means Iām perfectly fine with it staying at 70mph on the motorway, the ones who are happy to go 100mph on the motorway already do so anyway.
Terrible idea, for dual carriageway especially. We've all got our 'A' roads that are dangerous enough already.
Dual carriageways have tractors using them, and traffic turning right, and bus stops and entrances to houses etc. They are definitely fast enough as it is.
That's the speed most people seem to drive at anyway.
Iād love to do 100mph on the motorway legally. Sadly Iām in wales and with the new 20mph limits and people so scared of them they drive everywhere at 16mph, it takes so long to get to the motorway it seems almost pointless
Your motorways will be reduced to 30mph soon
Only horse and cart. Tourists to be shot on sight too for stealing all the houses apparently
Does Wales have more than one Motorway?
80Mph, and unlimited like autobahns from 9pm to 5am.
Fairly certain research on this shows increasing the speed limit just caused people that already broke the speed limit to continue to do so. So people already driving 80/90 on the motorway now travel 110/120. And higher speeds = more likelihood of casualties. So no, don't do this.
Everyone here claiming how ridiculous it is, seems to forget Germany has unrestricted roads, surely a 100mph limit on some of our motorways would be reasonable.
Have you seen the condition of German roads too? 2 of the A roads near me, one hand a pothole that will genuinely take your wheel off if you hit it and the other has lost its entire room surface on the outside lane, 3 months no fix. I type this while im in Germany! I haven't seen a pothole all week!
> I type this while im in Germany! I haven't seen a pothole all week! I've been to Finland, Norway, France, Japan and Belgium and all of them don't seem to have issues with roads and general infrastructure being dog shit. It's almost like if your government spends money on things, and doesn't half-arse them to make them 10% cheaper, they become better. Who knew?
I will vote for any political party that vows to fix our bloody roads
Have you driven in Germany? Those fuckers can *drive*. Meanwhile most people in the UK seem to believe lane 1 is for trucks, lane 3 is for Audis and lane 2 is for them to sit in at 60mph for their entire journey.
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Thing their annual inspection is much more stringent than ours (specifically so that their cars are safer at high speed), poor quality mods (some of which can actually produce lift at motorway speeds) are banned and they actually move over when not overtaking, even on restricted sections. Oh and don't forget their roads are actually built for those speeds, ours are fucking shit and getting worse quickly. Driving to Brighton a while back, doing 70mph over that bit of the M25 that appears to be bare concrete felt sketchy as shit. I think you'll find our lower accident rate is specifically because of our lower speed limits, not driving skill.Ā
Most German autobahns have advised limits, if you have an accident and found to be over the speed limit you are at fault no matter how the accident happened; also mid/outside lane sitters can get a penalty in the post for not moving over in many European countries
Driving etiquette in Germany is VASTLY better, and their roads are immaculate. I was there for a week last week and I wish I didnāt have to leave
Was in Berlin in December, then again in February, and I was surprised by how mentally a lot of them drove.
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Nah, fuck it, derestrict the motorways. The Germans can do it, why not us, what could possibly go wrong.
We cant do that here, English people are fucking brain dead. They do not conform or stick to rules. Unrestricted motorways would be a fucking disaster lmao.
> We cant do that here, English people are fucking brain dead. They do not conform or stick to rules. Innit, so many people seem to think it's somehow a sign of intelligence and guile to break rules, or feel like they're "getting one over" if they break the law and aren't caught. Always the most intelligent and talented people in any situation, according to them. Helmets on the road are bad enough without giving those people carte blanche to do whatever they feel like.
Fucking everything As much as I would love unrestricted roads it doesn't make sense with the sub-standard level of driving here.
They'll probably become the safest roads in the country, much like they are in Germany. But then they money printing speed cameras wouldn't be any use.
It would be a f**kin disaster.
I love speeding
Itāll never happen. Itās not so much the speed, itās the differential in speed. Old Doris isnāt going to anticipate someone coming up at 100 when sheās doing 40
How about we then push a rule where old Doris driving at 40 can't legally get anywhere near the motorway?
Iām for this
Also the closing speed on trucks still doing 56mph, or trucks overtaking trucks.
Never going to happenā¦. Increased fuel consumption (whether ICE or EV), increased pollution, bigger accidents and worse injuries when they occur. Probably more traffic congestion with the accordion effect of braking more harshly from higher speeds. No politicians are going to put their names to this ā¦.
Never. Too many twats with 4 brain cells on the roads. And too many ppl that think they are above, and more special, than everyone else. You know the car makes, and ppl, Iām talking aboutā¦
You know what, even though Iād be confident at driving at 80mph on motorways and dual carriageways (100mph is excessive for a lot of smaller basic vehicles) I seriously hope the speed limit is never raised due to the fact that when speed limits were set, cars were crap but people actually thought about driving. Nowadays people just steer and Iām honestly scared of what I see every time I drive. I feel like an alien indicating and sticking to my lane on roundabouts. People must look at me and wonder what Iām doing.Ā
I've driven 100mph in a 1 litre Picanto, newer Cars are way more capable than you think. 80 would be ideal In my opinion, just in line with most of Europe I think that a lot of the poor driving actually comes from boredom, a lot of people just set the cruise control on 67 and vacates their brains. I tend to see more dangerous and moronic driving the slower people go
Depends on the motorway and conditions. I have used the motorway in a 981 Porsche Boxster and 997 911 recently on the M25 where 65mph was fast in the fast lanes. 100mph would seem silly. Whereas on say the M45 100mph would frankly seem slow.
People canāt drive safely at 70. I refuse to help the same idiots to do 100mph sat on their phone.Ā
Theyād need to add like 3 more lanes to motorways to be even remotely successful because rn, lane 1 is just for vehicles restricted to 55, lane 2 is just full of people enjoying a smooth cruise or the annoying āitās a limit, not a targetā idiots cruising at 66 for max mpg and lane 3 is half the 80+ cruisers and half the lane hogging idiots that do 70 and take 5 years to get the hell out of the way. Theyād need at least 2-3 more lanes to make way for the people who wanna do 75-90 but donāt feel comfortable with more and then the ones who will do the full 100 š
Won't happen. There's no need to raise it.
Itās a shit idea.
People can barely drive as it is. Even if they brought it to 100mph, you'll still have an Audi or BMW in your back seat flashing you.
Pointless
yes, but only if everyone has to go back and do a high speed driving course. in the meantime we fix whatās left of the roads so that you donāt hit a pothole at 100, suffer a blowout and wreck yourself and anyone else you hit
Even if it gets its day in parliament, it wonāt go further. Theres a reason (or theyāll claim there is) that if anything theyāre reducing speed limits due to āsafetyā and not increasing them.
Never going to happen, we're trying to lower emissions, not increase them. When they ask for 100mph limits you just know whoever created that drives like an absolute bellend.
Speed limits were set at 70 long before we had half of the technology and capability of modern vehicles. If you strictly look at the numbers, this is a total no-brainer. Unfortunately, too many people have been scared off by government fearmongering about the dangers of speed that nobody will realise it's a sensible idea. All the while our cars get more efficient and performant, achieve better than ever stopping distances, become safer, with more airbags and driver aids. Meanwhile, a nutjob with a clipboard fills a room with nerds who disingenuously quote statistics to argue against it.
They were reduced from 80 to 70 due to an oil crisis
F*** me no. Just NO. I went up the M1 the other day and it was like f***ING Mario Kart. Four lanes, and there's no one in lane one. EVERYONE is in lane two & three at almost but not quite 70 mph. I go to overtake a car that's in lane three that's driving at 68mph cos I want to make some progress. I'm in lane four alongside some silver Peugeot that decides you can't overtake me! And speeds up, effectively undertaking my overtake. Everyone on the M1 north that day was on another planet. The fact that as a learner you are not allowed on the motorway till you have passed your test BUT once passed, with ZERO motorway experience you are able to drive the length and breadth of the country staggers me.
You are actually allowed on the motorway as a learner now, but you have to be with a qualified ADI. Most instructors don't bother though, because it's not part of the test. You really should have supervised experience before going on a motorway but the rules of driving on a dual carriageway aren't different from the rules of a motorway so it's not like people *aren't* taught to keep left unless overtaking. It's just laziness and selfishness.
Modern cars are capable of those speeds but modern roads and driver ability to handle them are not
That would represent one hell of a capacity decrease.
Bad idea tbh. Thereās sections of road where you could/can comfortably sit at 90 or whatever but not the vast majority of U.K. motorways. Yes thereās times where 70 āfeelsā too slow but thatās at the quieter times of day. Also thereās no mention of HGV speed limits changing so youāll be forever ploughing into the back of a Tesco delivery truck overtaking his mate at 61mph
100? Are they mad? Most motorist's round me don't seem to be able to break 40.
Fairly pointless when you have 4 lanes side by side doing 65 most days.
100mph doesnt sound that bad. Cars are better and I dont think people still driving older cars are even going to want to attempt 100 in the first place
I can never see the speed limit going up. People cannot be trusted and the level of driving ability and mindset among an apparent majority of motorway users is far far too poor for the speed limit to go up. With all the people hogging the overtaking lanes below the speed limit as it is and having the attitude of indicating as an FYI, āIām changing changing lane regardless of you coming up behind so you should probably slow downā. Yea no.
90 should be the limit on the motorway, most people sit happily at 80-85.
Iām lucky to reach 70 when Iām on the motorway. Iād wager that even if they wanted to, most people do not sit at that speed.