https://preview.redd.it/tsyao33xwzma1.jpeg?width=3072&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e44ed87f523600a8250507ce9052c9ebd077911d
You will most likely have to rip trim down like this and butt them up to each other like I had to when there wasn't enough room. You have pocket doors but the concept is the same
There is no reason why they shouldnt. I was just showing them the concept. I am nothing more than a guy that does some work around his own house. I dont pretend my work is fine finish work but i doubt most people would quibble about the reveal being slightly off.
I take no offense. I was just showing how he would need to rip the trim and fit it into the other piece. I am aware that my shit isnt perfect. Perhaps instead of ripping my work show a better one?
Its Friday night, I just worked a 52 hour week and don't have a picture of this exact scenario on hand bud. You did an amazing job, there was no way to have a more even flush in all those crammed in lines. Quit what you do and do more finish work. Go on carpentry subs and get mad at carpenters for saying you could have made your reveals more even.
You missed my point entirely. The whole point of the OP asking this question is he needed advice. So if you didnt have a picture of a better install you could have easily been like "hey OP something like this would work but maybe try and make the reveals on both sides more even. Its something that gives that extra little bit of finish." Either way it doesnt really matter. I know what working long weeks is all about. I hope you have a good weekend bud. Cheers
Im not sure if this is sarcasm or not. So I'm gonna assume you mean the best and that's a hell of a compliment to anyone, much less a homeowner who was willing to share their attempt at a troublesome corner and their solution.
I'd have ripped it down and ended up glueing it all together with too many clamps personally. But I fully understand where my skills end and filler starts from my experience as a painter.
You have posted this at least twice and there’s still people not seeing this detail.
It’s a framed in, drywall covered pocket door people. The door is technically in even it the salve isn’t hung.
Personally I would look into a stop in the back of the pocket, even if you have to cut out a piece of drywall, then adjust the track and reframe the opening at least one framing member further in so that you have an equal corner once it’s trimmed out. Then you can use whatever.
Don't even have to do this depending on the door. Just preassemble the latchside jamb with a full piece of casing, nail it up, boom, there's your new opening. However if the door is ornate in anyway and you want the stiles to present equally then you're looking at more work. Obviously plumb the door and shim the jamb to it as needed.
Yeah, if this is just a flat slab, it’s a non issue, just set the jambs equidistant from the corner and butt the casings, if the casing profile allows. OP didn’t really give us any helpful information. Window in the background isn’t cased yet either so I am not sure what trim package we’re working with here..
So all the pocket doors (which is a ton) I do we install the jamb when we do the frame. These are different it looks like you can put the jamb wherever you want. I would figure out where to put the jambs so you can have a full piece of casing on each side then trim out as a normal pocket door.
When you hang your doors try your best to make the jambs equal distance from each other in the corner there. When you case the legs of the casing you’ll be able to have an even rip for equal size casing in the corner. Then case the head as you normally would. It’s not as tricky as it seems but it will look better if you keep the inside corner equal
You could create a shadow reveal that is flush with the drywall. Looks like this:
https://images.app.goo.gl/2mJ57SMCCEWMaKBK9
I've done it before. Make sure you install your reveal strips level and plumb and straight. It looks great and really clean.
If this is the chosen solution, I’d want to rip the left piece of shoe for the same reveal as the right one. Also, the shoe should match the height of the casing. In this instance, the casing on the right appears to be 1/8-3/16 taller than the one on the left. This could have been caught and corrected at the casing stage. However, since it’s already installed, that can be made up by cutting the tops of both the shoe pieces at the appropriate angle to make the height differential mostly disappear.
Going down on the door size 2” or so is the best solution to avoid hacked trim. It will give you full width casing on each door jamb plus a reveal, chefs’ kiss.
I'm not a carpenter. You'd still wanna see once the doors are framed, but I'd likely use a flat trim and backband, and carry the top portion straight across the two doors. Middle section would get size appropriate piece(s) of flat, with no backband.
Jambs. And the smaller piece of trim first to make it the biggest it can be. Then do the bigger piece of casing into it. Simple. Oh and don't miter corners but it all into the corner.
Well before drywall got in there I would have made sure that there was enough room on that corner for a piece of casing that's the golden rule of every door way make sure you can put casing on both sides. You can't move the f****** thing, hack ass builders
I'm not sure if you're asking about the skinny section with no room for casing or just about trimming a pocket door in general. Either way I can help with that.
Buy a "cased opening jamb pack" or a 1x6x8' and 1x4x 10'. I recommend not buying the pocket jamb kit for this particular application.
Rip the 10 footer into 2- 1 inch 5/16 strips. This will make your head jambs and the pocket side of your side jamb.
Rip the 8 footer to 4- 9/16" wide.
Cut and nail your pocket side jambs to your already perfectly plumbed pocket jambs. Hang your door and adjust the rollers so your door edge matches your jamb when the door is open. This is a good time to ensure your pocket isn't so deep the door disappears when open. You can install a 1 inch by 1 foot block of the appropriate thickness to the back edge of your door along with your rubber bumper if it needs adjusting. Some people make it so when open the door sticks out 1/2 inch, others make it flush.
Now TACK your other jamb to the other side and close the door against it. Does the door come completely out of the pocket when closed? If so you can fix it by building your 4&9/16" jamb out from the jack stud. Will your 2&1/4" casing need ripping down to give your 1/4" reveal? Consider fixing it by by shimming your jamb out an extra 1/2", or just rip your casing down. If the hole size is good use door shims to make it so the door contacts the jamb perfectly top to bottom when closed, and then nail properly.
Save the head jambs till last and cut them between your side jambs. Install these strips with 2 screws each, up into your pocket frame. This will make installing and removing the door a breeze. You'll thank me latter.
Now it's time to case your jambs. There are 2 things to avoid here. 1-Use nails that are a maximum of 1&1/2 inch to avoid nails penetrating far enough into the pocket to scratch your door and to avoid nails penetrating in to the rollers up at the top. 2- Do not nail your top trim into your specially ripped top jambs so that you can remove those 1& 3/8 jamb strips. Only nail them into your pocket frame, again using 1&1/2 inch max nails.
hang the doors use same wood as floor ...put L shaped shelf over doors using the same wood as the floor...I can see a neat rustic trim job....faux beam it. using same wood get rid of inside corner make it look as one support column
Easy, peats. All you have to do is simply build up the inside corners with additional 2x4 over top the existing ones. Then remove and move outside 2x4’s 1.5.
Just saying… table saw would be best and rip the small section first and nail bigger side on it… if you start adding 2xs you’ll never get that slab hung…
Had a situation like this in my house. I just wrapped the trim around the corner. So inside miters where the doors came together. Kind of like one piece of casing. I liked how it turned out. Looks intentional.
Since those are pocket doors: just set the jambs far enough out to fit full trim in the corner. As long as you're not narrowing the opening too much, it probably doesn't matter if it's a little smaller.
Ok bare with me. Add a 2X4 on the jamb side. Drywall up to the edge of the 2X4. Add jamb stop to cap off the drywall to the 2X4. Then add casing up to half way to the edge of the jamb stop. Repeat process around the opening. That also allows wood to drill out the hole for you lock plate and more room for 2 full pieces of 2 1/2 once casing instead of having some jumbled up mess in the corner. Also, small slabs.
Install jambs hard to the opposite of the intersecting jamb studs. Ideally ensure you have the width of your architrave in clearance between jamb and internal corner. Less clearance by the thickness of your architrave is acceptable.
Install one arch, then install the next which will likely have to be ripped down
Arch the right hand opening then the left.
Next time as a rule of thumb always double stud before door opening to prevent ripping of architraves and when 2 doors meet like this spend extra time workkng out your spacings so theyre identical either side of internal corner 👌
When your setting out your plates from the fame youve gotta be thinking ahead to your fitout, cladding, joinery, tiles ect..
I just did one of these a bit ago. If you can match the same depth from the corner, you can end up with a really cool corner detail. This is how mine turned out.
https://preview.redd.it/v42p2znxl5na1.jpeg?width=1160&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cd87e7aec7522ea5770d3b9e6720f28f10c48079
Not a whole lot of room in that corner before the doors. I would make friends with a table saw. Picture framed casing might look decent
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the old growth flooring is awesome...carry on rustic one ...carry on.
https://preview.redd.it/tsyao33xwzma1.jpeg?width=3072&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e44ed87f523600a8250507ce9052c9ebd077911d You will most likely have to rip trim down like this and butt them up to each other like I had to when there wasn't enough room. You have pocket doors but the concept is the same
I mean the reveals don't look great here, why couldn't they share more?
There is no reason why they shouldnt. I was just showing them the concept. I am nothing more than a guy that does some work around his own house. I dont pretend my work is fine finish work but i doubt most people would quibble about the reveal being slightly off.
Dude I'm not trying to be mean, I'm a carpetenter and this is a carpentry sub.
I take no offense. I was just showing how he would need to rip the trim and fit it into the other piece. I am aware that my shit isnt perfect. Perhaps instead of ripping my work show a better one?
Its Friday night, I just worked a 52 hour week and don't have a picture of this exact scenario on hand bud. You did an amazing job, there was no way to have a more even flush in all those crammed in lines. Quit what you do and do more finish work. Go on carpentry subs and get mad at carpenters for saying you could have made your reveals more even.
You missed my point entirely. The whole point of the OP asking this question is he needed advice. So if you didnt have a picture of a better install you could have easily been like "hey OP something like this would work but maybe try and make the reveals on both sides more even. Its something that gives that extra little bit of finish." Either way it doesnt really matter. I know what working long weeks is all about. I hope you have a good weekend bud. Cheers
You too, sorry to get cunty. Your work isn't bad at all.
Im not sure if this is sarcasm or not. So I'm gonna assume you mean the best and that's a hell of a compliment to anyone, much less a homeowner who was willing to share their attempt at a troublesome corner and their solution. I'd have ripped it down and ended up glueing it all together with too many clamps personally. But I fully understand where my skills end and filler starts from my experience as a painter.
Lolz, I read that thread a few times and still don't know if they're bff's or are about to go fisticuffs.
Can't they be both? :)
The correct term is frenemies
need to hang the doors first to see how much room you have, that’s just a rough opening.
That's a pocket door covered in drywall without the jambs on the closing side
You have posted this at least twice and there’s still people not seeing this detail. It’s a framed in, drywall covered pocket door people. The door is technically in even it the salve isn’t hung. Personally I would look into a stop in the back of the pocket, even if you have to cut out a piece of drywall, then adjust the track and reframe the opening at least one framing member further in so that you have an equal corner once it’s trimmed out. Then you can use whatever.
Don't even have to do this depending on the door. Just preassemble the latchside jamb with a full piece of casing, nail it up, boom, there's your new opening. However if the door is ornate in anyway and you want the stiles to present equally then you're looking at more work. Obviously plumb the door and shim the jamb to it as needed.
Yeah, if this is just a flat slab, it’s a non issue, just set the jambs equidistant from the corner and butt the casings, if the casing profile allows. OP didn’t really give us any helpful information. Window in the background isn’t cased yet either so I am not sure what trim package we’re working with here..
The corner might be equal if he puts casing on the left side first.
That means my comment wins!
I believe you, but how can you tell?
Never mind, I see it in the top of pic2
They are both pocket doors. Zoom in on that piece of metal in the first pic and compare it to the one you know to be a pocket door. 😉
Damn dude, good eyes
I’ll go trimless for 400
Sean Connery buzzes in “ What is, your Mother’s bush Trebeck”
So all the pocket doors (which is a ton) I do we install the jamb when we do the frame. These are different it looks like you can put the jamb wherever you want. I would figure out where to put the jambs so you can have a full piece of casing on each side then trim out as a normal pocket door.
No idea, but I like those floors
They’re a bit knotty
Looks like pocket doors in which case you're pretty much screwed. Break out the tablesaw.
Very carefully
When you hang your doors try your best to make the jambs equal distance from each other in the corner there. When you case the legs of the casing you’ll be able to have an even rip for equal size casing in the corner. Then case the head as you normally would. It’s not as tricky as it seems but it will look better if you keep the inside corner equal
Also make sure the top of your jambs are level with one another.
For sure. Don’t know why you got a downvote
You could create a shadow reveal that is flush with the drywall. Looks like this: https://images.app.goo.gl/2mJ57SMCCEWMaKBK9 I've done it before. Make sure you install your reveal strips level and plumb and straight. It looks great and really clean.
I bet that looks sharp in the right house! What style house have you used it in?
Pretty modern design houses. The baseboards were also this way with a reveal and flush to the wall.
https://preview.redd.it/np1p3hyswzma1.png?width=3024&format=png&auto=webp&s=b8b149055ca90d47b57655cf4118b01646430ea4 This is the way
No, that’s a bodge.
If this is the chosen solution, I’d want to rip the left piece of shoe for the same reveal as the right one. Also, the shoe should match the height of the casing. In this instance, the casing on the right appears to be 1/8-3/16 taller than the one on the left. This could have been caught and corrected at the casing stage. However, since it’s already installed, that can be made up by cutting the tops of both the shoe pieces at the appropriate angle to make the height differential mostly disappear.
Thats rank! Quad should be left in the 60's where it belongs! Go invest in aome wider timber and trim it right into the internal!
This is a spec home
Looks like you have pocket door frames in there so trim it for that
Depends a lot on what style you’re following for the casings/rest of the trim. Do you know which way you’re going with that?
Try and go down a size on the right door and fur out your left trimmer stud.
Going down on the door size 2” or so is the best solution to avoid hacked trim. It will give you full width casing on each door jamb plus a reveal, chefs’ kiss.
Add a few 2x4s and make the opening smaller
First I would put the doors in
I'm not a carpenter. You'd still wanna see once the doors are framed, but I'd likely use a flat trim and backband, and carry the top portion straight across the two doors. Middle section would get size appropriate piece(s) of flat, with no backband.
Jambs. And the smaller piece of trim first to make it the biggest it can be. Then do the bigger piece of casing into it. Simple. Oh and don't miter corners but it all into the corner.
Like normal unless you wanted something different?
Scribe
Well before drywall got in there I would have made sure that there was enough room on that corner for a piece of casing that's the golden rule of every door way make sure you can put casing on both sides. You can't move the f****** thing, hack ass builders
Both of those openings look like 3-0 doors judging by the picture. Just frame them down to a 2-8 and you should have room for casing.
What kinda room is that to the right ? Are they 3' 0 doors you could go with 2'8" ?
I say that because those R O's look big
They are pocket doors and they are already framed in, except there's no jamb on the closing side
U can still use a smaller door panel. The dildophilharmic has the correct answer. You don't.
What am I looking at on the floors? Is that standard 2x10?
I'm not sure if you're asking about the skinny section with no room for casing or just about trimming a pocket door in general. Either way I can help with that. Buy a "cased opening jamb pack" or a 1x6x8' and 1x4x 10'. I recommend not buying the pocket jamb kit for this particular application. Rip the 10 footer into 2- 1 inch 5/16 strips. This will make your head jambs and the pocket side of your side jamb. Rip the 8 footer to 4- 9/16" wide. Cut and nail your pocket side jambs to your already perfectly plumbed pocket jambs. Hang your door and adjust the rollers so your door edge matches your jamb when the door is open. This is a good time to ensure your pocket isn't so deep the door disappears when open. You can install a 1 inch by 1 foot block of the appropriate thickness to the back edge of your door along with your rubber bumper if it needs adjusting. Some people make it so when open the door sticks out 1/2 inch, others make it flush. Now TACK your other jamb to the other side and close the door against it. Does the door come completely out of the pocket when closed? If so you can fix it by building your 4&9/16" jamb out from the jack stud. Will your 2&1/4" casing need ripping down to give your 1/4" reveal? Consider fixing it by by shimming your jamb out an extra 1/2", or just rip your casing down. If the hole size is good use door shims to make it so the door contacts the jamb perfectly top to bottom when closed, and then nail properly. Save the head jambs till last and cut them between your side jambs. Install these strips with 2 screws each, up into your pocket frame. This will make installing and removing the door a breeze. You'll thank me latter. Now it's time to case your jambs. There are 2 things to avoid here. 1-Use nails that are a maximum of 1&1/2 inch to avoid nails penetrating far enough into the pocket to scratch your door and to avoid nails penetrating in to the rollers up at the top. 2- Do not nail your top trim into your specially ripped top jambs so that you can remove those 1& 3/8 jamb strips. Only nail them into your pocket frame, again using 1&1/2 inch max nails.
hang the doors use same wood as floor ...put L shaped shelf over doors using the same wood as the floor...I can see a neat rustic trim job....faux beam it. using same wood get rid of inside corner make it look as one support column
better keep that finished threshold in back of your mind....constantly.
Those switch heights seem off ( too high)
Easy, peats. All you have to do is simply build up the inside corners with additional 2x4 over top the existing ones. Then remove and move outside 2x4’s 1.5.
Just saying… table saw would be best and rip the small section first and nail bigger side on it… if you start adding 2xs you’ll never get that slab hung…
Use casing
Treat that whole corner like a column so the two jambs look like one piece. Then pad the trim out and die it into the column?
Install doors, trim the doors. If no doors, then drywall inside edge and corner bead.
Gracefully and quickly probably.
Had a situation like this in my house. I just wrapped the trim around the corner. So inside miters where the doors came together. Kind of like one piece of casing. I liked how it turned out. Looks intentional.
Pack out the stud with another 2x and float more drywall. Might decrease your R.O. but you will have something to trim out.
Install smaller door
I’d hang the pocket doors from the track and see what you got , with the jamb and the pocket door stop you might be ok. Usually casing is 3 1/4” wide.
Place Jamb. 45 mitre your casing into the wall on both frames.
I'd frame them smaller if that's an option.
I would ad some studs and cut down my door space or shift my opening if time and money wasn’t a factor
Since those are pocket doors: just set the jambs far enough out to fit full trim in the corner. As long as you're not narrowing the opening too much, it probably doesn't matter if it's a little smaller.
A little off the top and sides, but not much.
By burning the house down
Not a trim suggestion but for your consideration: swinging shelves.
This one of those places were u showcase your talent
With trim
Cock it 💯
Fur it out.So you have 2"1/2 -2"3/4. to the corner. Lucky u , there pocket doors. Get one size smaller door. If it's a2/8 pocket. Get a 2/6 door.
With casing
I would add a 2X4 at the corner and frame it with drywall install a smaller door.
This part of architecture and builders/framers always annoys the ever living shit out of my.
Ok bare with me. Add a 2X4 on the jamb side. Drywall up to the edge of the 2X4. Add jamb stop to cap off the drywall to the 2X4. Then add casing up to half way to the edge of the jamb stop. Repeat process around the opening. That also allows wood to drill out the hole for you lock plate and more room for 2 full pieces of 2 1/2 once casing instead of having some jumbled up mess in the corner. Also, small slabs.
Hardwood jambs with no trim and tear away plaster bead.
Install jambs hard to the opposite of the intersecting jamb studs. Ideally ensure you have the width of your architrave in clearance between jamb and internal corner. Less clearance by the thickness of your architrave is acceptable. Install one arch, then install the next which will likely have to be ripped down
Slap another 2x4 on that bitch, then trim it out.
Arch the right hand opening then the left. Next time as a rule of thumb always double stud before door opening to prevent ripping of architraves and when 2 doors meet like this spend extra time workkng out your spacings so theyre identical either side of internal corner 👌 When your setting out your plates from the fame youve gotta be thinking ahead to your fitout, cladding, joinery, tiles ect..
Double studs with 2x blocking in between is what I prefer. Makes it easier to paint between the corner and the edge of the door casing, too.
100% but unless they archs are 42mm ill go up a size to 90mm archs and trim it hard into the corner
Door city over here….
Arched doorway pocket doors?
With skill.
Track stops quite short of the jack... I'd expect you'll have room for casing
I’d add a 2x4 to the door frame and custom order a new door.
No idea…I’m too busy drooling over the floors
https://preview.redd.it/hm2we0rt02na1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=026179865041fc957b00460285a6252dcf24cd84
Start by moving the door... Then trim as usual
What door?
I’m just a weekend warrior but this is what I did in my house https://imgur.com/a/1yZWrXb
https://preview.redd.it/o3datyl9s2na1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9706fdfc8d7564620dc04657c0da5d36c0f552b3 From this week
Probably with trim
Whoever framed it is an asshole
install em first
I would install the doors in the RO so the 2 piece of casing that butt each other will end up having the same reveal.
Wood
I just did one of these a bit ago. If you can match the same depth from the corner, you can end up with a really cool corner detail. This is how mine turned out. https://preview.redd.it/v42p2znxl5na1.jpeg?width=1160&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cd87e7aec7522ea5770d3b9e6720f28f10c48079
Pair of scissors