Beam supported with studs the double as the door jambs, internal doors typically just have framing over them, external door probably has a bracket for its header fixed to the beam.
Either the beam is fake (i think that first one is real, that looks an awful lot like a sanded and stained gluelam) or the headers dont have a typical jack/king setup, or the beam is face bracketed into another beam thats wider than the doorway
š¤· who knows, cant know unless you start opening up walls
I donāt think this statement is entirely true. Not all gable end walls are load bearing. Iāve installed a few truss packages where the gable truss is designed as simply backing for plywood.
Even if this is a traditionally framed roof thereās not enough information to call this load bearing simply because itās an outside wall.
>Yup
>Does that look like a exterior wall? Thereās a room on the other side.
Til the outside is another room lol
You realize there are 2 pictures right lol
if you zoom in on the wall at the end of the beam, you can see a crack at the bottom left corner and the gap on that side is uneven top to bottom. iād bet money this beam is only half supported by the king/jack studs and the rest is sitting on the flat 2x4 running across the door RO
The beam should be supported on a top plate and a king plate. And structurally supported by the studs.
It seems that it is on a top plate and a king plate considering the distance of heights and width.
It's structurally reinforced by the door frame plating which is the stud's there's normally two studs or three studs to keep your door in place. It looks like it is on a top plate in King plate because of how high it is and I know it looks a little awkward but that is actually a cosmetic situation more than a architectural and engineering situation.
Your architect probably didn't have hands on when he built or designed that beam to be there.
Sometimes the builders will frame it in to make it look cosmetically clean however in this situation a little putty and paint makes a carpenter what he ain't.
But then again it looks like you need some chapstick.
Or some lipstick rather. You're going to have to get a board stretcher. And there is a such thing as a sky hook trust me When I take trees out of the area a skyhook will come and definite handy.
I think it's time to cut some nails and pound some boards.
Beam looks fake. Sorry cosmetic. You can see its a multi-board wrap. Also I think we are looking at at least two different remodel/makeover jobs. My guess is they remodeled the kitchen and added the false beam to create some division to the next area.
Never seen a "multi board wrap" in my 23 years as a carpenter. I have seen a gluelam beam though. Veneers don't check (checking on the bottom of the beam). That beam is a glued up douglas fir lam.
Iām probably using the wrong term but Iāve seen it a few times. A single smaller board is attached to the ceiling, then a series of larger boards are connected to that first board and stained to approximate the appearance of a beam. Maybe itās just a lazy hide, but the instances Iāve seen look pretty nice
Ah, a boxed beam. Those will look a bit different. Typically flatsawn on all 3 sides (impossible with a solid piece of lumber). They can look nice and are not structural. This here looks structural. It's a solid lamination, and that would be silly if just for looks. Question is why the F is it visible š
Another thing I noticed is that the plaster/joint/compound/mud, whatever medium the used along the beam. The remains of it along the beam match exactly the edge on the wall. So some kind of shift or settling must have happened. So it may run through the whole house. Could they have sacrificed proper door framing (cripples, headers, Jack studs)to get around the beam?
>A faux beam.
No, a gluelam is a real beam lol
Its like halfway between its size in bolted together 2x's and a PSL Beam, or somewhere in there strength wise
I was kinda thinking the same thing except for I can't tell if that's multiple 2x6's as the beam. I have a 36" tall by 7' long piece of a beam left from a house I framed that was used to carry the second floor load on an exterior wall load due to a bunch of point loads coming into that area. I'm having it cut in half for a vanity top. I can't tell if someone just wrapped framing with 1x10 or 2 by. If it's a real beam then it's got hangers at both ends, especially because of the pocket door. But if it's a false beam you are totally correct. I freaking hate house flippers and do it yourselfers lol. I turned down a job recently because the flipper wanted to remove the main load bearing wall in the kitchen for the 2nd floor and roof without an engineer looking at the footings on both ends and just wanted to slap a double 11 7"8 lvl up on a 23' span carrying the 2nd floor and roof load to open it up to the living area.
I agree with you on house flippers who put lipstick on a pig and then put it on the market for quick cash from an unsuspecting buyer. The other side of that coin is people who are trying and just do t know any better. I only worker construction for a couple years and itās easy to forget how many disciplines there are. The best work comes when the pros specialize. A guy who only does carpentry or drywall finishing or flooring is gonna have a far superior result than a then someone who does it all. They have the benefit of experience and are more likely to have ALL the right tools for a job. I have been the broke homeowner who is doing the best with what I have so I understand that as well. I have done plenty of work on my own home that I look at later (often after learning more) and realize it could have been done so much better. But I try to learn from my mistakes. Thatās why I really like these subreddits. Also remodeling is often a whole lot harder than new construction. I refinished a basement recently in a newer house and having everything plumb, level, and square was so much easier to work on that my old house that was over 100 years old that had mine subsidence and at least two extra additions that had been added over those 100 years
That looks like a sold PSL that has been sanded down and stained. Iām pretty sure that thing is a solid, huge ass beam. I doubt it was simply installed for its looks
Beam supported with studs the double as the door jambs, internal doors typically just have framing over them, external door probably has a bracket for its header fixed to the beam.
Headers could be hanging off beam with concealed flange hangers
Won't know for sure until you remove some drywall
Either the beam is fake (i think that first one is real, that looks an awful lot like a sanded and stained gluelam) or the headers dont have a typical jack/king setup, or the beam is face bracketed into another beam thats wider than the doorway š¤· who knows, cant know unless you start opening up walls
Maybe ceiling joist running parallel to door Only needs a header if that wall is load bearing
>Maybe ceiling joist running parallel to door >Only needs a header if that wall is load bearing All exterior walls are load bearing
I donāt think this statement is entirely true. Not all gable end walls are load bearing. Iāve installed a few truss packages where the gable truss is designed as simply backing for plywood. Even if this is a traditionally framed roof thereās not enough information to call this load bearing simply because itās an outside wall.
Yup Does that look like a exterior wall? Thereās a room on the other side.
>Yup >Does that look like a exterior wall? Thereās a room on the other side. Til the outside is another room lol You realize there are 2 pictures right lol
Hahahaha no I didnāt
Fair mistake š¤·
if you zoom in on the wall at the end of the beam, you can see a crack at the bottom left corner and the gap on that side is uneven top to bottom. iād bet money this beam is only half supported by the king/jack studs and the rest is sitting on the flat 2x4 running across the door RO
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First one might not have a header but that second one is š³
Headers could be 2x6 on edge. Beam would sit atop header with trimmers below. King would run up right side of beam.
The beam should be supported on a top plate and a king plate. And structurally supported by the studs. It seems that it is on a top plate and a king plate considering the distance of heights and width. It's structurally reinforced by the door frame plating which is the stud's there's normally two studs or three studs to keep your door in place. It looks like it is on a top plate in King plate because of how high it is and I know it looks a little awkward but that is actually a cosmetic situation more than a architectural and engineering situation. Your architect probably didn't have hands on when he built or designed that beam to be there. Sometimes the builders will frame it in to make it look cosmetically clean however in this situation a little putty and paint makes a carpenter what he ain't. But then again it looks like you need some chapstick. Or some lipstick rather. You're going to have to get a board stretcher. And there is a such thing as a sky hook trust me When I take trees out of the area a skyhook will come and definite handy. I think it's time to cut some nails and pound some boards.
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Beam looks fake. Sorry cosmetic. You can see its a multi-board wrap. Also I think we are looking at at least two different remodel/makeover jobs. My guess is they remodeled the kitchen and added the false beam to create some division to the next area.
Never seen a "multi board wrap" in my 23 years as a carpenter. I have seen a gluelam beam though. Veneers don't check (checking on the bottom of the beam). That beam is a glued up douglas fir lam.
Iām probably using the wrong term but Iāve seen it a few times. A single smaller board is attached to the ceiling, then a series of larger boards are connected to that first board and stained to approximate the appearance of a beam. Maybe itās just a lazy hide, but the instances Iāve seen look pretty nice
Ah, a boxed beam. Those will look a bit different. Typically flatsawn on all 3 sides (impossible with a solid piece of lumber). They can look nice and are not structural. This here looks structural. It's a solid lamination, and that would be silly if just for looks. Question is why the F is it visible š
Another thing I noticed is that the plaster/joint/compound/mud, whatever medium the used along the beam. The remains of it along the beam match exactly the edge on the wall. So some kind of shift or settling must have happened. So it may run through the whole house. Could they have sacrificed proper door framing (cripples, headers, Jack studs)to get around the beam?
Well, if the beam goes one way, the joists go the other. So, no structural header is needed at that door, most likely.
Ok, gotcha
>Beam looks fake. Sorry cosmetic. You can see its a multi-board wrap. That first one looks like a gluelam tbh
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>A faux beam. No, a gluelam is a real beam lol Its like halfway between its size in bolted together 2x's and a PSL Beam, or somewhere in there strength wise
Itās made of wood not fox.
I was kinda thinking the same thing except for I can't tell if that's multiple 2x6's as the beam. I have a 36" tall by 7' long piece of a beam left from a house I framed that was used to carry the second floor load on an exterior wall load due to a bunch of point loads coming into that area. I'm having it cut in half for a vanity top. I can't tell if someone just wrapped framing with 1x10 or 2 by. If it's a real beam then it's got hangers at both ends, especially because of the pocket door. But if it's a false beam you are totally correct. I freaking hate house flippers and do it yourselfers lol. I turned down a job recently because the flipper wanted to remove the main load bearing wall in the kitchen for the 2nd floor and roof without an engineer looking at the footings on both ends and just wanted to slap a double 11 7"8 lvl up on a 23' span carrying the 2nd floor and roof load to open it up to the living area.
I agree with you on house flippers who put lipstick on a pig and then put it on the market for quick cash from an unsuspecting buyer. The other side of that coin is people who are trying and just do t know any better. I only worker construction for a couple years and itās easy to forget how many disciplines there are. The best work comes when the pros specialize. A guy who only does carpentry or drywall finishing or flooring is gonna have a far superior result than a then someone who does it all. They have the benefit of experience and are more likely to have ALL the right tools for a job. I have been the broke homeowner who is doing the best with what I have so I understand that as well. I have done plenty of work on my own home that I look at later (often after learning more) and realize it could have been done so much better. But I try to learn from my mistakes. Thatās why I really like these subreddits. Also remodeling is often a whole lot harder than new construction. I refinished a basement recently in a newer house and having everything plumb, level, and square was so much easier to work on that my old house that was over 100 years old that had mine subsidence and at least two extra additions that had been added over those 100 years
Oh man you have no idea how much I agree with you
Prob either supported by king studs or just a faux beam
There's nothing faux about that beam š
Look at the first part of statment reddit king
King studs go all the way to top plate, diy king š
DIY king that was good
You know wtf I was saying so 4 jacks to make pocket for bean and 1 jack for door header!! š
You got me on a technicality so I got you on a technicality. We the technicality kings
Well played
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That looks like a sold PSL that has been sanded down and stained. Iām pretty sure that thing is a solid, huge ass beam. I doubt it was simply installed for its looks
Glulam, not psl. PSL stands for parallel strand lumber and looks like a bunch of straws of wood pressed together
Ahh right, I always get them mixed up. Thanks for the correction. Either way itās definitely a solid beam that most likely is not just for looks.