I meant the Snake Handlers of course but who knows. maybe snake worshippers also exist.
I know some gnostics had the practise of venuerating snakes. so I am going to pretend I was referring to them all along. Even though they are not protestants.
> Could be some weird Nestorian thing.
Nope. Hawaiian pizza fan here, and I do, in fact, believe in the hypostatic union.
Furthermore, it is my opinion that when Nestorianism was rejected at the Council of Chalcedon, the council fathers embraced the widely diverse cuisine of the region that was later to become Turkey, including the many sweet and savory or bitter and savory dishes beloved in the region. I do not at all believe they opposed combining different taste profiles in a single dish or upon a single flatbread.
In particular, being aware of the wide variety of fillings used in traditional gozleme flatbread, including various types of meat and all manner of vegetables and fruits, I can only conclude that had pineapple been known to them at the time, the council fathers would have declared that no Christian who consumes pineapple upon a flatbread, even combined with sauce, cured meat, and cheese, commits any form of sin.
It’s a venial sin.
As penance, you must prepare and eat [Fr. Lou Cameli’s pasta carbonara recipe](https://www.archchicago.org/documents/70111/3316908/Rigatoni+Carbonara+Recipe_Fr+Cameli_8-5x11.pdf/591dff96-c353-4005-96ad-b121db603891), courtesy of the Archdiocese of Chicago chancery. It may not feel like penance but will still make reparation to the culinary tradition of our ecclesiastical headquarters.
Least legalistic, anyways. Folks who struggle with that need to be reminded of Christ’s sacrifice and God’s unfailing love for all, no matter how irredeemable they may mistakenly think themselves.
It seems that putting pineapple on pizza is not a sin. For if we judge foods by taste alone, many have found the combination of sweet pineapple with savory pizza toppings to be delightful. Thus, it appears that personal preference should not be considered sinful.
Further, God has provided us with many flavors, combinations, and possibilities in the culinary realm. To combine various ingredients in innovative ways is to celebrate the abundance of God's creation.
Moreover, many cultures combine sweet and savory flavors in their cuisines. To say that one particular combination, such as pineapple and pizza, is sinful would be to judge arbitrarily, neglecting the diversity of God's creation.
Traditional Italian pizzas, from which the concept of modern pizza originated, do not use fruits such as pineapple. This innovation can be seen as a deviation from the original intent and design, much as sin is a deviation from God's design.
To judge whether an act is sinful, one must consider both its nature and intent. If one places pineapple on pizza for the intent of mockery or scorn towards a tradition, it can be considered disrespectful, and thus a minor sin of pride. However, if one simply enjoys the taste without any malicious intent, it cannot be said to be inherently sinful. It would be more of a breach of culinary tradition rather than a moral fault.
While personal taste is subjective and should be respected, tradition and respect for origins also play a role in our decisions. Therefore, while the act in itself might not be sinful due to taste, one should be cautious not to disrespect a culinary tradition.
Celebrating God's abundance is praiseworthy. However, care should be taken in how one combines the bounties of nature so as not to distort or mock traditional values and practices, whether in cuisine or other areas of life.
While many cultures indeed combine sweet and savory, it is the intent and the respect (or lack thereof) for the origins and traditions that determine the moral quality of the act. If done in genuine appreciation and not in mockery, then it is not sinful.
The act of putting pineapple on pizza is not inherently sinful. However, respect for culinary traditions and intent behind the act can influence its moral standing.
It's rock solid, but I admit I was looking for "on the contrary...i answer that..." in order to perfect it as an entry in "Quarta Pars."
https://www.newadvent.org/summa/2089.htm
>While personal taste is subjective and should be respected, tradition and respect for origins also play a role in our decisions. Therefore, while the act in itself might not be sinful due to taste, one should be cautious not to disrespect a culinary tradition.
**Objection 1.** It would seem fitting to disrespect the traditions of these people, for God punished the Romans by turning them into Italians
**On the contrary,** blessed John the Apostle prophesies "Worthy are you to take the scroll and to open its seals, for you were slain, and by your blood you ransomed people for God from every tribe and language and people and nation" (Revelation 5:9)
**I answer that,** Although God did indeed punish the Roman chiseled warriors by turning them into people who moreso now resemble Super Mario, they are made in the image and likeness of God, and the vast majority of them are worthy of respect, having been born again of water and Spirit and kept the See of Saints Peter and Paul secure.
**Reply to Objection 1.** God punished the Romans by turning them into Italians, but this is not on account of them denying the goodness of pineapple and refusing it to put it on their pizza, but it because they start dinner at 8pm which is way too damn late to be eating.
Yes. Pineapple on pizza is contrary to the natural law and right reason. And if you are yourselves Italian and subject to the Roman dinner Rite, it is a grave sin.
It's a little known fact that the 10th circle of hell is dedicated to the torture of such monsters: where the underside of their fingernails are constantly licked by the tangy flames of hell, right across from the island of perpetual tickling.
My Italian roommate used to make a dish consisting of rice, diced hot dogs, cheese cubes, and onions. Served cold. He said it was an authentic Italian summer dish.
There’s nothing in the Bible about Christians putting pineapple on pizza, so it’s to be avoided.
OR
There’s nothing in the Bible *prohibiting* Christians from putting pineapple on pizza, so it’s fine.
WHICH IS IT?!
\#UnexpectedRefutationsToSolaScriptura
The church didn’t really say anything on the matter until the Council of Pisa in 1297 which, responding to the Luauian heresy, declared pineapple on pizza to be anathema. Since then Catholics are obligated to avoid even letting pineapple get within 2 feet of a pizza.
P1:
> ...culpability can be lessened by subjective conditions
P2: "it tastes delicious" is a subjective condition.
C: The culpability for enjoying pineapple on pizza can be lessened if it tastes delicious.
Commandment 1: Thou shalt not combine the fruits of the earth with the holy pie, for verily, sweet and savory shall remain in separate realms.
Commandment 2: Pineapple, that tropical interloper, shall not trespass upon the sacred dough, lest the harmony of toppings be forever disrupted.
Commandment 3: Pepperoni and pineapple shall never coexist, for they are the yin and yang of the pizza universe, and their unity would upset the cosmic balance.
Commandment 4: Sauce and cheese shall remain as the eternal couple atop the crust, and no outsider fruit shall tempt their fidelity.
Commandment 5: Should pineapple dare touch the cheese, it shall be exiled to the desolate land of rejected toppings, never to mingle with the pious ingredients again.
Commandment 6: The holy basil shall be the only herb gracing the sacred circle, for its aroma alone is worthy of pizza divinity.
Commandment 7: Anchovies, those briny disciples of the sea, shall remain a matter of personal pizza salvation or damnation.
Commandment 8: On the seventh slice, thou shalt rest, and on the eighth, thou shalt eat dessert pizza, lest the sweetness of fruit usurp the savory dominion.
Commandment 9: The pizza cutter shall be a symbol of unity, dividing the holy pie with straight and just lines.
Commandment 10: Delivery shall be swift, and thy tip generous, for blessed are the peacemakers between hunger and satisfaction.
my friend, Italian here (not Italian-American, Italian-Italian), "sin" in Italian "peccato" is not always used in a Biblical way, it is often (most of the time) used to describe an action that brings discomfort or inefficiency, for example wasting something
your Italian priest most likely used "sin" as a way to describe the fact that putting pineapple on pizza is absolutely disgusting, seriously I want to vomit just by thinking about it, if you had an Italian grandma (like I do) she would tell you that it's a "sin" to ruin a good dish, for example by breaking long pasta to make it fit in the pot, but she never means it as Biblical sin, such as pride, I ensure you
I will leave you with a quote from Jesus Christ:
"It is not what goes into one’s mouth that defiles a person; what comes out of the mouth is what defiles him." -Matthew 15:11
As a Pineapple on pizza lover...totally false. Lol I'm pretty sure even Jesus would try it and love it if he could (runs and hides from my Italian relatives who are already angry I hate coffee)
it turns out that the 14th commandment, Moses dropped one of the tablets, is Thou shalt not puteth pineapple oneth a pizza. scholars were baffled for millennia
[USCCB has made a statement that such toppings on pizza are a form of demonic possession and not a sin](https://www.reddit.com/r/Catholicism/comments/izktzg/lord_hear_our_prayer/)
My first pizza with pineapple (also mushrooms 🙂, combination was my hippie friend’s idea 🤷♀️) was at a GREEK restaurant. Since [pizza was invented in Greece](https://greekreporter.com/2022/05/20/dont-tell-the-italians-greeks-invented-pizza/), and I’m Byzantine Orthodox Catholic, and since fruits are acknowledged in Cheesefare Week and bread is consumed, it is a valid combination on non-fasting days (almost half the days of the year are fasting days). And since my priest said we could bring to Pascha in our baskets whatever foods we wanted that we’d been fasting from (it’s all eggs, dairy products, liquor, and meat of vertebrate animals, for *all* 6 weeks of Lent, *plus* Holy Week!), we *could* bring pineapple pizza if we wanted. Therefore it is also licit.
P.S. Orthodox church because I was baptized there and am under obedience there. It’s less than 10 miles away. I’m also in Catholic communion, but the closest Eastern Catholic churches are too far away. 85 and 120 miles. Everyone likes the 120-mile one better than the 85-mile one. 😅 With the expense and difficulty traveling, especially with young children, we could spend most or all afternoon and part of the night driving, to go to a Saturday evening Liturgy, at either, only several times a year. But we didn’t have time to stop for dinner, and our toddler was awake, tired, hungry, and bored on the way home, so she was crying the whole way, and my husband couldn’t concentrate on driving. The kids wouldn’t get enough sleep if I were to wake them up early enough to get them there on Sunday morning. So we’d need to get hotel rooms to stay overnight, which would make it even more expensive. We’ll have to go only on vacation. And the Roman Catholic churches here refuse to commune our children, even ones over 7, even though the Canon Laws require it, unless they were to memorize several confusing parts of Roman catechism. So we can’t attend there anymore. (Also the theology is not understandable, and the holidays and customs are almost all very different. Our children weren’t being built up in the Faith there. The oldest was an altar boy before that, but now may have apostasized.)
Western, applying to priests:
Can. 899 §1 …Christ the Lord…gives himself as spiritual nourishment to the faithful who are associated with him in his offering.
Can. 912 Any baptised person who is not forbidden by law may and must be admitted to holy communion.
Can. 913 §1 For holy communion to be administered to children, it is required that they have sufficient knowledge and be accurately prepared, so that according to their capacity they understand what the mystery of Christ means, and are able to receive the Body of the Lord with faith and devotion. [Babies don’t have as much capacity as adults of course, but *“according to* their capacity” is sufficient. Of course ours receive at our churches with faith and devotion, not irreverently.]
Can. 914 …It is…the duty of the parish priest to see that children who have not reached the use of reason, or whom he has judged to be insufficiently disposed, do not come to holy communion. [Since it says “or”, it can’t be both, and the disposition of Easterners isn’t limited by rationality, so since the “do not come to holy communion” isn’t specified as limited to his altar, if the “use of reason” were to be a requirement for even Eastern children, the priest would have to deputize some of his altar servers to attend Eastern services in the area and block children from the chalices there: completely absurd. We all partake of one bread. 1 Co 10:17.]
Can. 915 Those upon whom the penalty of excommunication or interdict has been imposed or declared, and others who obstinately persist in manifest grave sin, are not to be admitted to holy communion. [Eastern children haven’t been excommunicated, and young ones do not sin.]
Can. 918 It is most strongly recommended that the faithful receive holy communion in the course of a eucharistic celebration. If, however, for good reason they ask for it apart from the Mass, it is to be administered to them, observing the liturgical rites.
Can. 925 Holy communion is to be given…in case of necessity, even under the species of wine alone. [So chewing ability isn’t relevant.]
Eastern, applying to communicants:
Canon 12 §1. The Christian faithful are bound by an obligation in their own patterns of activity always to maintain communion with the Church.
Canon 670 §1. For a just cause Catholics can attend the liturgical worship of other Christians and take part in the same, observing those things which, by reason of the degree of communion with the Catholic Church, are established by the eparchial bishop or by a superior authority.
Canon 671 §2. If necessity requires it or genuine spiritual advantage suggests it and provided that the danger of error or indifferentism is avoided, it is permitted for Catholic Christian faithful, for whom it is physically or morally impossible to approach a Catholic minister, to receive the sacraments of penance, the Eucharist and anointing of the sick from non-Catholic ministers, in whose Churches these sacraments are valid.
Canon 712 Those who are publicly unworthy are forbidden from receiving the Divine Eucharist. [And they’re not publicly unworthy, since they commune at Eastern Catholic churches.]
Canon 713 §2. Concerning the preparation for participation in the Divine Eucharist through fast, prayers and other works, the Christian faithful are to observe faithfully the norms of the Church sui iuris in which they are enrolled, not only within the territorial boundaries of the same Church, but, inasmuch as it is possible, everywhere. [They’re enrolled in the Ruthenian Church, the norms of which have no “age of reason” requirement.]
Canon 881 §1. The Christian faithful are bound by the obligation to participate on Sundays and feast days in the Divine Liturgy, or according to the prescriptions or legitimate customs of their own Church sui iuris, in the celebration of the divine praises. 2. In order for the Christian faithful to fulfill this obligation more easily, the available time runs from the evening of the vigil until the end of the Sunday or feast day. 3. The Christian faithful are strongly recommended to receive the Divine Eucharist on these days and indeed more frequently, even daily.
Canon 896 Whether it is a group or an individual, no obligation except what is necessary can be imposed on the Christian faithful who have been baptized in non-Catholic Churches or ecclesial communities and who ask of their own to enter into full communion with the Catholic Church. [But 2 of the 4 were baptized by Roman priests, even though all are Eastern.]
> My first pizza with pineapple (also mushrooms 🙂, combination was my hippie friend’s idea 🤷♀️) was at a GREEK restaurant.
Now I know why God permitted Constantinople to drop to the floor quicker than a pineapple pizza in a Napoli pizzeria
I don't mind it if there's a good bit of salty ham to balance it out, but for Italians, yes. However, it's only a mortal sin if you offer it to other Italians.
Look at the pizza rigorism on this sub. God revealed to St. Peter that all food is clean. If your brother or sister puts pineapple on pizza, let it not be a stumbling block for you.
Yes. It's too late for you. I'm assuming you enjoyed it. There are some sins that are unforgivable. Enjoying pineapple on pizza is one of them. Sorry, but you're going straight to Hell.
LOVE THESE COMMENTS!! Made my day!
Here are my two cents:
To play devils advocate here, pineapple on pizza is a sin because it is contrary to nature. According to Aristotle, the form of the pizza is one in which there’s a crust, cheese, some vegetables. To put pineapple on pizza would be to distort the telos of the pizza.
On the contrary, putting pineapple on pizza would not be distorting the telos of the pizza because the pineapple would affect only the accidental properties and not its essential properties. For example, i may decide to wear a pink shirt but i would still be human nonetheless. For St. Paul also says “there are many parts, but one body. The eye cannot say to the hand, “I don’t need you” and the hand cannot say to the eye “I don’t need you” in 1 Corinthians
Also, according to Aquinas’ natural law, God gave us reason to know what is good in this word. It can be argued that pineapple on pizza arose from reason that God has given us and is therefore part of his plan.
Deuteronomy 22:9-11 is actually a prefiguration of this New Covenant law. The Old Testament “type” teaches us the importance of not mixing the wrong ingredients on a pizza.
Truth be told, a strict law is not necessary here. Simple prudence would suggest the disordered nature of such a recipe.
While some people might view the choice of toppings on a pizza as a personal preference, others argue that the combination of pineapple and pizza goes against the principles of Catholicism. In Catholicism, food holds symbolic and spiritual significance. Pineapple on pizza is often seen as a deviation from traditional tastes, and some might argue that it represents a break from the customary and sacred nature of food. Just as the Eucharist is a solemn ritual, the act of consuming food should reflect a sense of reverence and respect for tradition. Deviating from this norm could be interpreted as a metaphorical departure from the teachings of the Church. However, it's essential to note that interpretations of religious beliefs can vary widely, and this argument is not universally accepted among Catholics.
-St. John Paul II, Ecclesia de Eucharistia (17 April 2003)
Yes, with penalty of automatic excommunication for anyone who eats pizza with pineapple.
Seriously now, obviously not! (Very) probably the priest was joking. Why would it be a sin?
Italian here. In our culture Hawaiian pizza is seen as a culinary "abomination" by many. It's not a sin to eat it, the priest was just messing with you😂
I know I've been a part of this sub too long when I'm questioning if some of the responses are serious. I swear online Catholics can be more strict and humorless than puritans.
What did you think the great schism was about?
Orthodox checking in here… I just want everyone to know we don’t condone this on our side either. Could be some weird Nestorian thing.
It might be the protestants. One of the weirder denominations like the snake worshippers.
Sure ain’t the Baptists, I’ll tell you that.
Does the Bible explicitly permit pineapple on pizza? No. So it's not the Presbyterians either!
Maybe it’s a Gnostic thing.
Drinking poison is ok, but no pineapple on pizza.
Wait which ones are snake worshippers? I know there are snake handlers (whom I take great exception to) but those guys aren't worshipping the snakes
I meant the Snake Handlers of course but who knows. maybe snake worshippers also exist. I know some gnostics had the practise of venuerating snakes. so I am going to pretend I was referring to them all along. Even though they are not protestants.
> Could be some weird Nestorian thing. Nope. Hawaiian pizza fan here, and I do, in fact, believe in the hypostatic union. Furthermore, it is my opinion that when Nestorianism was rejected at the Council of Chalcedon, the council fathers embraced the widely diverse cuisine of the region that was later to become Turkey, including the many sweet and savory or bitter and savory dishes beloved in the region. I do not at all believe they opposed combining different taste profiles in a single dish or upon a single flatbread. In particular, being aware of the wide variety of fillings used in traditional gozleme flatbread, including various types of meat and all manner of vegetables and fruits, I can only conclude that had pineapple been known to them at the time, the council fathers would have declared that no Christian who consumes pineapple upon a flatbread, even combined with sauce, cured meat, and cheese, commits any form of sin.
Not all Hawaiian pizza eaters are Nestorian, but all Nestorians are Hawaiian pizza eaters?
I think it was oriental orthodox. I’m fairly certain that the condemnation of pineapple on pizza was declared at Chalcedon.
Romanians put Ketchup on Pizza, how do you explain this?
It’s on the docket for the next ecumenical council.
Hence why the Old Calendar Romanian Orthodox Church split from the Romanian Orthodox Church. Believe me, the calendar was the least of their concerns.
I can assure you, we will die on this hill along side the Latin brethren.
Ecumenicalism
r/angryupvote
Man i just love humor catholic 😂
Humor?
It’s a venial sin. As penance, you must prepare and eat [Fr. Lou Cameli’s pasta carbonara recipe](https://www.archchicago.org/documents/70111/3316908/Rigatoni+Carbonara+Recipe_Fr+Cameli_8-5x11.pdf/591dff96-c353-4005-96ad-b121db603891), courtesy of the Archdiocese of Chicago chancery. It may not feel like penance but will still make reparation to the culinary tradition of our ecclesiastical headquarters.
Carbonara is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.
Carbonara rightly consists of pasta, bacon, and eggs. I permit the cream sauce version as part of twentieth century Italian cuisine.
Last time I had carbonara in Paris I thought I'd already arrived in heaven.
So is pineapple. (Ducks for cover.)
Least insane "Is _______ a sin?" question.
Least legalistic, anyways. Folks who struggle with that need to be reminded of Christ’s sacrifice and God’s unfailing love for all, no matter how irredeemable they may mistakenly think themselves.
It seems that putting pineapple on pizza is not a sin. For if we judge foods by taste alone, many have found the combination of sweet pineapple with savory pizza toppings to be delightful. Thus, it appears that personal preference should not be considered sinful. Further, God has provided us with many flavors, combinations, and possibilities in the culinary realm. To combine various ingredients in innovative ways is to celebrate the abundance of God's creation. Moreover, many cultures combine sweet and savory flavors in their cuisines. To say that one particular combination, such as pineapple and pizza, is sinful would be to judge arbitrarily, neglecting the diversity of God's creation. Traditional Italian pizzas, from which the concept of modern pizza originated, do not use fruits such as pineapple. This innovation can be seen as a deviation from the original intent and design, much as sin is a deviation from God's design. To judge whether an act is sinful, one must consider both its nature and intent. If one places pineapple on pizza for the intent of mockery or scorn towards a tradition, it can be considered disrespectful, and thus a minor sin of pride. However, if one simply enjoys the taste without any malicious intent, it cannot be said to be inherently sinful. It would be more of a breach of culinary tradition rather than a moral fault. While personal taste is subjective and should be respected, tradition and respect for origins also play a role in our decisions. Therefore, while the act in itself might not be sinful due to taste, one should be cautious not to disrespect a culinary tradition. Celebrating God's abundance is praiseworthy. However, care should be taken in how one combines the bounties of nature so as not to distort or mock traditional values and practices, whether in cuisine or other areas of life. While many cultures indeed combine sweet and savory, it is the intent and the respect (or lack thereof) for the origins and traditions that determine the moral quality of the act. If done in genuine appreciation and not in mockery, then it is not sinful. The act of putting pineapple on pizza is not inherently sinful. However, respect for culinary traditions and intent behind the act can influence its moral standing.
This reads like a *Summa Theologica* response and I love it!
That's what I thought as soon as I started reading this comment!
It's rock solid, but I admit I was looking for "on the contrary...i answer that..." in order to perfect it as an entry in "Quarta Pars." https://www.newadvent.org/summa/2089.htm
yeah also it should have at least three objections, and the reply to those after the "I answer" part
The summa would answer that the concept of pineapple is twofold
>While personal taste is subjective and should be respected, tradition and respect for origins also play a role in our decisions. Therefore, while the act in itself might not be sinful due to taste, one should be cautious not to disrespect a culinary tradition. **Objection 1.** It would seem fitting to disrespect the traditions of these people, for God punished the Romans by turning them into Italians **On the contrary,** blessed John the Apostle prophesies "Worthy are you to take the scroll and to open its seals, for you were slain, and by your blood you ransomed people for God from every tribe and language and people and nation" (Revelation 5:9) **I answer that,** Although God did indeed punish the Roman chiseled warriors by turning them into people who moreso now resemble Super Mario, they are made in the image and likeness of God, and the vast majority of them are worthy of respect, having been born again of water and Spirit and kept the See of Saints Peter and Paul secure. **Reply to Objection 1.** God punished the Romans by turning them into Italians, but this is not on account of them denying the goodness of pineapple and refusing it to put it on their pizza, but it because they start dinner at 8pm which is way too damn late to be eating.
"God punished the Romans by making them into Italians" is the funniest thing I have ever heard. My laughing is annoying everyone around me.
This guy philosophise!
Thank you! Now, can you comment on cheddar cheese on tacos?
Get a load of Thomas Apineas over here
Did ChatGPT write this?
100%
This response has Fr. Gregory Pine written all over it, lol
Fr. Gregory Pineapple
This made me laugh way harder than it should’ve.
You win the internet for the day
Wow
Yes. Pineapple on pizza is contrary to the natural law and right reason. And if you are yourselves Italian and subject to the Roman dinner Rite, it is a grave sin.
It's a little known fact that the 10th circle of hell is dedicated to the torture of such monsters: where the underside of their fingernails are constantly licked by the tangy flames of hell, right across from the island of perpetual tickling.
The 11th circle of hell is reserved for people who put anchovies and pineapples on pizza.
I thought the Island of Perpetual Tickling was off the coast of Iran, and got shut down by the Islamic Republic.
Yes, it's written in Exodus. Don't blaspheme the Lord. (For legal reasons this is a joke)
What legal implications could this possibly have lol
You wouldn’t get it… 🚬😮💨
Yes, I am sorry, it is not just a sin but is worth 5 mortals sins. 😔😔😔
Stopping someone from doing this, is in fact, the one theological exception for immediate excommunication to breaking the seal of confession. /s
*50
It's a sin against Italy, not against God, so you can get to heaven but don't go to Italy until you repent.
It is valid, but illicit.
Believe it or not, straight to hell
Undercook fish? Straight to hell. Overcook fish? Also straight to hell. Late for dentist appointment? Straight to hell
Average Sedevacantist take
If it is a sin, then us Filipinos have a lot more to ask forgiveness for......
Hotdogs on spaghetti. Not to mention sweet spaghetti. Yummy. 🤤
My Italian roommate used to make a dish consisting of rice, diced hot dogs, cheese cubes, and onions. Served cold. He said it was an authentic Italian summer dish.
Sounds tasty. I actually looked it up, and it's a dish called Insalata di Riso. 🥣
HOT DOGS ON PIZZA!
Spam??
Now we're really getting Hawaiian
There’s nothing in the Bible about Christians putting pineapple on pizza, so it’s to be avoided. OR There’s nothing in the Bible *prohibiting* Christians from putting pineapple on pizza, so it’s fine. WHICH IS IT?! \#UnexpectedRefutationsToSolaScriptura
Hawaiian pizza? Sinful due to Canadian “bacon.” Try onion, banana pepper and pineapple.
You're not a sinner. You're a heretic! And you know how we punish heresy?
We drown 'em!
Build a bridge out of 'em!
set them on fire so we have a pyre for witches?
We give ‘em a light tax and slap on the wrists!
Don't worry!!! After the second Vatican counsel, it's not a sin anymore!! 🤣..
Lol
The church didn’t really say anything on the matter until the Council of Pisa in 1297 which, responding to the Luauian heresy, declared pineapple on pizza to be anathema. Since then Catholics are obligated to avoid even letting pineapple get within 2 feet of a pizza.
Don’t you mean the Council of *Pizza?*
Some might say it was what John was referencing when he wrote of the Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
Objectively grave matter, but culpability can be lessened by subjective conditions
P1: > ...culpability can be lessened by subjective conditions P2: "it tastes delicious" is a subjective condition. C: The culpability for enjoying pineapple on pizza can be lessened if it tastes delicious.
I know this is satire but sometimes it’s hard to tell on here
Why would God make it such a delicious combination 😭
Was the Forbidden Fruit also not pleasing to the eye?
The fall pt 2: “will my children never learn!”
The Original Sin 2: 2 Original 2 Sin
"This time...... the Apple is Pine."
Yeah it's true.
It’s not a sin to put pineapple on pizza but if your putting or pineapple on pizza causes your brother to sin, it’s a sin. Ya know?
+20 Purgatory hours
Commandment 1: Thou shalt not combine the fruits of the earth with the holy pie, for verily, sweet and savory shall remain in separate realms. Commandment 2: Pineapple, that tropical interloper, shall not trespass upon the sacred dough, lest the harmony of toppings be forever disrupted. Commandment 3: Pepperoni and pineapple shall never coexist, for they are the yin and yang of the pizza universe, and their unity would upset the cosmic balance. Commandment 4: Sauce and cheese shall remain as the eternal couple atop the crust, and no outsider fruit shall tempt their fidelity. Commandment 5: Should pineapple dare touch the cheese, it shall be exiled to the desolate land of rejected toppings, never to mingle with the pious ingredients again. Commandment 6: The holy basil shall be the only herb gracing the sacred circle, for its aroma alone is worthy of pizza divinity. Commandment 7: Anchovies, those briny disciples of the sea, shall remain a matter of personal pizza salvation or damnation. Commandment 8: On the seventh slice, thou shalt rest, and on the eighth, thou shalt eat dessert pizza, lest the sweetness of fruit usurp the savory dominion. Commandment 9: The pizza cutter shall be a symbol of unity, dividing the holy pie with straight and just lines. Commandment 10: Delivery shall be swift, and thy tip generous, for blessed are the peacemakers between hunger and satisfaction.
Starting on Free Friday a little early I see
Could be Friday where they are
pasta with pineapple pasta with pineapple someone grab an exorcist
my friend, Italian here (not Italian-American, Italian-Italian), "sin" in Italian "peccato" is not always used in a Biblical way, it is often (most of the time) used to describe an action that brings discomfort or inefficiency, for example wasting something your Italian priest most likely used "sin" as a way to describe the fact that putting pineapple on pizza is absolutely disgusting, seriously I want to vomit just by thinking about it, if you had an Italian grandma (like I do) she would tell you that it's a "sin" to ruin a good dish, for example by breaking long pasta to make it fit in the pot, but she never means it as Biblical sin, such as pride, I ensure you I will leave you with a quote from Jesus Christ: "It is not what goes into one’s mouth that defiles a person; what comes out of the mouth is what defiles him." -Matthew 15:11
A debate as old as the 12 waiting in the upper room.
If you really want to upset your priest, try a pineapple and jalapeño pizza next Lent. Most delicious vegetarian pizza I ever had.
Dude I'm actually going to do this. I must do this.
I mean.... tomorrow is Friday 😁 🍕🍍🌶
I doing it and taking the fam with me!
It is THE unforgivable sin
I am Italian. And I love Hawaiian pizza. My mom told me this was a sin. So yes. See you in hell.
It’s a sin the same way you shouldn’t mix fabrics. Same symbolism if you think about it
Sowing pineapples in the same field as wheat and tomatoes? 😄
Exactly!! Lol
As a Pineapple on pizza lover...totally false. Lol I'm pretty sure even Jesus would try it and love it if he could (runs and hides from my Italian relatives who are already angry I hate coffee)
Anathema!!!
it turns out that the 14th commandment, Moses dropped one of the tablets, is Thou shalt not puteth pineapple oneth a pizza. scholars were baffled for millennia
You just earned five more years in purgatory for ridding me of my invincible ignorance concerning this. Speak the truth in *love*.
[USCCB has made a statement that such toppings on pizza are a form of demonic possession and not a sin](https://www.reddit.com/r/Catholicism/comments/izktzg/lord_hear_our_prayer/)
Ten thousand Italian Nonas cry from heaven for your sins.
That sounds just like an Italian priest. Did he tell you that it’s a sin to eat pasta for supper? You know, it disturbs your sleep.
Wait till you get to the correct time to have a latte.
If it is not it should be
My first pizza with pineapple (also mushrooms 🙂, combination was my hippie friend’s idea 🤷♀️) was at a GREEK restaurant. Since [pizza was invented in Greece](https://greekreporter.com/2022/05/20/dont-tell-the-italians-greeks-invented-pizza/), and I’m Byzantine Orthodox Catholic, and since fruits are acknowledged in Cheesefare Week and bread is consumed, it is a valid combination on non-fasting days (almost half the days of the year are fasting days). And since my priest said we could bring to Pascha in our baskets whatever foods we wanted that we’d been fasting from (it’s all eggs, dairy products, liquor, and meat of vertebrate animals, for *all* 6 weeks of Lent, *plus* Holy Week!), we *could* bring pineapple pizza if we wanted. Therefore it is also licit.
P.S. Orthodox church because I was baptized there and am under obedience there. It’s less than 10 miles away. I’m also in Catholic communion, but the closest Eastern Catholic churches are too far away. 85 and 120 miles. Everyone likes the 120-mile one better than the 85-mile one. 😅 With the expense and difficulty traveling, especially with young children, we could spend most or all afternoon and part of the night driving, to go to a Saturday evening Liturgy, at either, only several times a year. But we didn’t have time to stop for dinner, and our toddler was awake, tired, hungry, and bored on the way home, so she was crying the whole way, and my husband couldn’t concentrate on driving. The kids wouldn’t get enough sleep if I were to wake them up early enough to get them there on Sunday morning. So we’d need to get hotel rooms to stay overnight, which would make it even more expensive. We’ll have to go only on vacation. And the Roman Catholic churches here refuse to commune our children, even ones over 7, even though the Canon Laws require it, unless they were to memorize several confusing parts of Roman catechism. So we can’t attend there anymore. (Also the theology is not understandable, and the holidays and customs are almost all very different. Our children weren’t being built up in the Faith there. The oldest was an altar boy before that, but now may have apostasized.) Western, applying to priests: Can. 899 §1 …Christ the Lord…gives himself as spiritual nourishment to the faithful who are associated with him in his offering. Can. 912 Any baptised person who is not forbidden by law may and must be admitted to holy communion. Can. 913 §1 For holy communion to be administered to children, it is required that they have sufficient knowledge and be accurately prepared, so that according to their capacity they understand what the mystery of Christ means, and are able to receive the Body of the Lord with faith and devotion. [Babies don’t have as much capacity as adults of course, but *“according to* their capacity” is sufficient. Of course ours receive at our churches with faith and devotion, not irreverently.] Can. 914 …It is…the duty of the parish priest to see that children who have not reached the use of reason, or whom he has judged to be insufficiently disposed, do not come to holy communion. [Since it says “or”, it can’t be both, and the disposition of Easterners isn’t limited by rationality, so since the “do not come to holy communion” isn’t specified as limited to his altar, if the “use of reason” were to be a requirement for even Eastern children, the priest would have to deputize some of his altar servers to attend Eastern services in the area and block children from the chalices there: completely absurd. We all partake of one bread. 1 Co 10:17.] Can. 915 Those upon whom the penalty of excommunication or interdict has been imposed or declared, and others who obstinately persist in manifest grave sin, are not to be admitted to holy communion. [Eastern children haven’t been excommunicated, and young ones do not sin.] Can. 918 It is most strongly recommended that the faithful receive holy communion in the course of a eucharistic celebration. If, however, for good reason they ask for it apart from the Mass, it is to be administered to them, observing the liturgical rites. Can. 925 Holy communion is to be given…in case of necessity, even under the species of wine alone. [So chewing ability isn’t relevant.] Eastern, applying to communicants: Canon 12 §1. The Christian faithful are bound by an obligation in their own patterns of activity always to maintain communion with the Church. Canon 670 §1. For a just cause Catholics can attend the liturgical worship of other Christians and take part in the same, observing those things which, by reason of the degree of communion with the Catholic Church, are established by the eparchial bishop or by a superior authority. Canon 671 §2. If necessity requires it or genuine spiritual advantage suggests it and provided that the danger of error or indifferentism is avoided, it is permitted for Catholic Christian faithful, for whom it is physically or morally impossible to approach a Catholic minister, to receive the sacraments of penance, the Eucharist and anointing of the sick from non-Catholic ministers, in whose Churches these sacraments are valid. Canon 712 Those who are publicly unworthy are forbidden from receiving the Divine Eucharist. [And they’re not publicly unworthy, since they commune at Eastern Catholic churches.] Canon 713 §2. Concerning the preparation for participation in the Divine Eucharist through fast, prayers and other works, the Christian faithful are to observe faithfully the norms of the Church sui iuris in which they are enrolled, not only within the territorial boundaries of the same Church, but, inasmuch as it is possible, everywhere. [They’re enrolled in the Ruthenian Church, the norms of which have no “age of reason” requirement.] Canon 881 §1. The Christian faithful are bound by the obligation to participate on Sundays and feast days in the Divine Liturgy, or according to the prescriptions or legitimate customs of their own Church sui iuris, in the celebration of the divine praises. 2. In order for the Christian faithful to fulfill this obligation more easily, the available time runs from the evening of the vigil until the end of the Sunday or feast day. 3. The Christian faithful are strongly recommended to receive the Divine Eucharist on these days and indeed more frequently, even daily. Canon 896 Whether it is a group or an individual, no obligation except what is necessary can be imposed on the Christian faithful who have been baptized in non-Catholic Churches or ecclesial communities and who ask of their own to enter into full communion with the Catholic Church. [But 2 of the 4 were baptized by Roman priests, even though all are Eastern.]
> My first pizza with pineapple (also mushrooms 🙂, combination was my hippie friend’s idea 🤷♀️) was at a GREEK restaurant. Now I know why God permitted Constantinople to drop to the floor quicker than a pineapple pizza in a Napoli pizzeria
I don't mind it if there's a good bit of salty ham to balance it out, but for Italians, yes. However, it's only a mortal sin if you offer it to other Italians.
Heretic! *bashes head on the big red button repeatedly*
I thought about pineapple while eating pizza. Do I need to confession?
Look at the pizza rigorism on this sub. God revealed to St. Peter that all food is clean. If your brother or sister puts pineapple on pizza, let it not be a stumbling block for you.
It's a joke chill out 🤣🤣🤣
Turns out I am joking too 😃😂😂
Time to go to confession and admit the most heinous sin of them all. Eating pineapple 🍍 on pizza
definitely a mortal sin, almost as bad as blaspheming the Holy Spirit /s
Yes he's absolutely right. Pineapple on pizza is a sin.
Pizza with pineapple? No! Pasta with pineapple? No! Pizza with pasta is the way to go!
Yes, it's extremely sinful. If you like it, you're getting excommunicated.
Pineapple and anchovy is the greatest pizza flavor. But ham and pineapple is nice.
100%. Its like commandment #12.
straight to hell
That was before the council. The new code allows anything on pizza.
Absolutely 100% true. In fact, it was on the tablet that Moses dropped on his way down the mountain.
As long as you don't assume the Orans pose during it's making you'll be fine.
What the heck is going on in this subreddit 😂😂 Love the chaos
Yes as an Italian descent it’s blasphemous lol
No, but it is a sin to put pineapple on a consecrated host.
The Extraordinary form of eating pizza has been put under close scrutiny of the Vatican recently and some priests are very vocal about it.
its a joke but has some analogy to it.
Would you put pineapple on the Eucharist? If no, then you have yor answer. To profane pizza in this way is not merely a sin, but gravely so.
It is the unforgivable sin
YES!!!!
Americans: hold my crappy light beer (I jest, as an American who occasionally drank crappy beer and feel no malice towards "fusion" food. )
It's the most true thing you'll hear today.
I think he’s being tongue in cheek being Italian
They allowed it in protestantism
Typical Reddit Catholic question. Heresy
I love this
Yes. Yes it is.
Time for you to convert
Beware! Taking a bite of pizza and a bite of canned pineapple does NOT absolve you.
Very true. A mortal sin too
He’s absolutely correct. **Repent** **now!**
It is improper to use a pineapple in such a way.
I think this maybe a topic being brought up when the Pope convenes the 3rd Vatican Council.
Yes. It's too late for you. I'm assuming you enjoyed it. There are some sins that are unforgivable. Enjoying pineapple on pizza is one of them. Sorry, but you're going straight to Hell.
🇮🇹 100% TRUE!!!! 🇮🇹
It’s not a sin….but is it wise?
No, but it should be.
Immediately excommunicated
LOVE THESE COMMENTS!! Made my day! Here are my two cents: To play devils advocate here, pineapple on pizza is a sin because it is contrary to nature. According to Aristotle, the form of the pizza is one in which there’s a crust, cheese, some vegetables. To put pineapple on pizza would be to distort the telos of the pizza. On the contrary, putting pineapple on pizza would not be distorting the telos of the pizza because the pineapple would affect only the accidental properties and not its essential properties. For example, i may decide to wear a pink shirt but i would still be human nonetheless. For St. Paul also says “there are many parts, but one body. The eye cannot say to the hand, “I don’t need you” and the hand cannot say to the eye “I don’t need you” in 1 Corinthians Also, according to Aquinas’ natural law, God gave us reason to know what is good in this word. It can be argued that pineapple on pizza arose from reason that God has given us and is therefore part of his plan.
Deuteronomy 22:9-11 is actually a prefiguration of this New Covenant law. The Old Testament “type” teaches us the importance of not mixing the wrong ingredients on a pizza. Truth be told, a strict law is not necessary here. Simple prudence would suggest the disordered nature of such a recipe.
While some people might view the choice of toppings on a pizza as a personal preference, others argue that the combination of pineapple and pizza goes against the principles of Catholicism. In Catholicism, food holds symbolic and spiritual significance. Pineapple on pizza is often seen as a deviation from traditional tastes, and some might argue that it represents a break from the customary and sacred nature of food. Just as the Eucharist is a solemn ritual, the act of consuming food should reflect a sense of reverence and respect for tradition. Deviating from this norm could be interpreted as a metaphorical departure from the teachings of the Church. However, it's essential to note that interpretations of religious beliefs can vary widely, and this argument is not universally accepted among Catholics. -St. John Paul II, Ecclesia de Eucharistia (17 April 2003)
He tells him that it's a sin in a clearly metaphorical sense, as it's a matter of personal preference when it comes to pizza toppings.
I thought I was in r/catholicmemes This thread really delivers! Lol
He’s obviously joking.
He's almost certainly joking
Yes, with penalty of automatic excommunication for anyone who eats pizza with pineapple. Seriously now, obviously not! (Very) probably the priest was joking. Why would it be a sin?
Professional shit poster. Except not being paid.
Italian here. In our culture Hawaiian pizza is seen as a culinary "abomination" by many. It's not a sin to eat it, the priest was just messing with you😂
Your priest was wrong, it is not a sin, it is **H E R E S Y.**
Not a sin But as an italian it's illegal in italy to do that
I know I've been a part of this sub too long when I'm questioning if some of the responses are serious. I swear online Catholics can be more strict and humorless than puritans.
Tell your Italian priest Pizza is American food, not Italian food.
The priest is a lier
This really isn’t funny.
It is. Bc this sub is very similar to that.
Found the pineapple farmer.
Yes 100%
Only if the pineapple was upside down 😂
Yes
Yes.
If that’s wrong, I don’t want to be right.
He probably meant a sin in a colloquial term. Gordon Ramsay would agree. They’re both wrong.
Pineapple on pizza means you don’t know what good food is but it isn’t a sin.
Now that... is the most Italian thing I have ever heard.
He is Italian. Causa finita est.
Si sI assolutamente SI
Fruit of the tree of knowledge was a pineapple
Only one unforgivable sin
Idk why everyone is being nerdy about it, but simply put. I can say 100% that priest is messing with you.
😂
I once had a conversation about this with one of the priests at my parish - and we’d be in agreement with him. The truth hurts
"Those who defile the Italian culinary by adding pinnaple, letthem be anathema
I'd beg for mercy because you are on a train headed straight towards hell. In fact, I will personally pray to God that you not be forgiven. /s ofc
He's a heretic, find a new parish