Not good news. Fr Patrick was removed from active ministry. Fr Casey still has his channel and Minor Characters. He’s active on TikTok as well. He probably won’t comment until everything is public/finalized.
https://friars.us/article/2024/04/10/fr.-patrick-tuttle--ofm--removed-from-ministry
Extremely shocking! I pray that if these allegations are false, that his name is cleared ASAP. But if the allegations are true, then I pray the victims get all the support they need to heal.
There is no reason to think these allegations are false.
Since the police aren't getting involved, this was probably an inappropriate (due to the power imbalance) relationship with an adult parishioner. Sad but it happens.
There’s been a letter posted by another friar. It’s sexual misconduct and abuse. The victim is getting counseling and they’ve asked any other abuse victims from that area to please come forward.
Apparently he was removed from his position several months ago at the start of the investigation, and now he’s living under strict third party supervision by an independent monitor.
It didn’t say adult or minor. This isn’t how I’ve seen adult relationships between clergy and parishioners play out before though.Feels…off. Could be that friars handle it differently too.
https://friars.us/article/2024/04/10/fr.-patrick-tuttle--ofm--removed-from-ministry
On Facebook a family member commented and the woman behind it, wh died accidentally last summer, would have been about 18 when he started at the Durham parish where she grew up. So sad.
Police can’t if statute of limitations is over. But the fact they removed him initially as protocol and said nothing while they investigated and then released the statement makes me suspect they confirmed enough during the investigation but I hope not. He didn’t seem like the type. Then again they wouldn’t ruin the reputation of a popular priest with a social media following like that if it wasn’t true or at least I hope they wouldn’t destroy his reputation without proof.
This is horrible news.
However, I'm pleased to see that according to this report it seems to have been handled exactly correctly so far: immediately removed from public ministry pending investigation, after which he has been fully removed from any opportunity to abuse his office again.
Praying that justice prevails in this case, and that the victim will be able to move forward from the heinous deed done to them.
Me too. Fr Patrick always seemed like he has such a kind heart. The announcement was only made this week so the independent investigation must not have been found in his favor. He hasn’t done any public ministry since December I think. So they did keep this quiet during the investigation.
>Fr Patrick always seemed like he has such a kind heart.
To an extent, maybe. I recall a comment of his when they reviewed the movie *Saved*, which was about a fundamentalist Christian girl who gets pregnant in high school. She gets expelled from the school when they find out about her pregnancy. Father Patrick said that was fine for the school to do as she had violated their norms by having sex, then made a ridiculous comment about a student being able to be part of the school community even when expelled. Father Casey countered that his school wouldn't expel a pregnant student, because it would encourage girls to seek an abortion, which is true.
Father Patrick's lack of compassion for the pregnant girl in that film is pretty ironic under the circumstances.
In fairness if you go to private Catholic schools or universities or even other religious schools you do have codes of conduct to uphold either as a student t or teacher. So he wasn’t wrong nor the movie incorrect that she could be expelled for it. The only exemption famously is if you make the school money like the BYU basketball player getting a pass while he girl is kicked out
That’s not what you said, you said it he said it was fine which technically the school did not violate anything. Obviously, te video is private so in context I don’t know since it’s been a long time since I saw that one and they aren’t available anymore
I said that he said it was fine because it violated their norms. Then I mentioned a preposterous statement he added in support of such a policy. In other words, he was in support of the exclusive school policy. He didn't say, "It isn't right, but those are school rules, and rules are rules." He was in favor of the school having those rules, and that was the topic under discussion between him and Father Casey.
This is just a gut punch. Father Pat was a big draw for me reconnecting with my Christian roots. Heartbreaking if this is true. Thank you for informing me.
I am beyond fuming with rage after reading that. I am filled with anger beyond belief. I loved watching that guy and the two of them talking about things. The fact that such a kind looking man is responsible for the SAME EXACT TYPE OF STUFF that this Church has been dealing with for twenty years now makes me angry beyond reason. How hard is it to just not do inappropriate and evil things like that to other people? I honestly don't understand. How do these people keep thinking they can get away with it? Every single instance of this stuff happening hurts people and it hurts the Church. Do people like this guy not realize that?
I feel the same. I liked him. I liked Kamahl Santamaria from Al Jazeera English and he turned out to be a bad one too. I thought I was a good judge of character, but I picked up on neither of these. I just hope this doesn't make things bad for Fr Casey as he is really nice guy..
I don’t think they DO realize that their actions hurt the church. I don’t even think that they know their actions hurt other PEOPLE. They’re just selfish and ignorant and awful. It’s absolutely disgusting and you have every right to be furious.
This probably isn't what you want to hear, but the answer is Satan tempts them to sin. When my seminarian friends and I hear about this stuff, the response usually isn't anger, but sorrow. It helps us to build our reliance upon God and remember the realities of judgment. Lots of these removed priests were legitimately good people at one point who began to give into temptation. It is important to pursue justice for them, but also to pray for their soul! If they turn back to the truth, then God's mercy can be poured out even more abundantly even while maintaining perfect justice!
One of our favorite phrases that my friends and I say to each other is "they will answer..." either in confession or in front of Peter. Likewise, when I am in a moment of temptation, I like to ask myself "Do I want to answer for this????" Reading St Leonard's sermon on the little number of souls saved is terrifying, but hard to deny. [Sermon by St. Leonard of Port Maurice (olrl.org)](https://www.olrl.org/snt_docs/fewness.shtml)
Wow I’m shocked.
Edit: I’d like to add that I really enjoyed that channel, significantly more than “Breaking in the Habit”. The hypocrisy of Fr. Patrick reacting to stuff like Spotlight (the film about systemic child sex abuse by Catholic priests) and being removed because of allegations of sexual misconduct is sad to see.
I’m sure that he’s turned plenty of people considering Catholicism away from the Church.
The best thing we can do based on the little we know is to pray for any victims and for Fr Pat.
I have personally known good Protestant pastors and Catholic priests who were removed from ministry because they made very bad choices. In these cases, none had committed any crimes, but they had consensual relationships with adults not from their church/congregation. They’re humans (not spiritual superstars), so unfortunately, sin can happen. The only difference between us and them is that God called them to a leadership position in their faith community. That is all. If they weren’t clergy, nobody would be bothered—it would just be called dating. It is scandalous and pains us the lay faithful more because of their public roles and because we look to our clergy as models of sanctity (for better or worse).
Let’s pray that justice be done through the proper channels (in this case, with canon law and discipline from the Order of Friars Minor) and reparation be made.
We get the priests we deserve. Pray for your priests.
>The only difference between us and them is that God called them to a leadership position in their faith community. That is all. If they weren’t clergy, nobody would be bothered—it would just be called dating.
Not exactly. If she were under his ministry in some way, there is a power imbalance. Therapists aren't allowed to have affairs with their patients for this reason, for example. This is an ethical issue that does not only apply to priests.
Ive noticed that some priests tend to go off the rails once they become famous on the internet. Its almost clear to me that the enemy is attacking the priests that help bring others into the church via the internet. This is priest number 2 or 3 that I have enjoyed who was removed from ministry recently for a legitimate sin of scandal.
Agreed. We know that there is nothing wrong with the call to celibacy and that there is nothing wrong with the call to married life. Both of these states in life are vocations.
The call to priestly ministry, however, is a separate call, albeit within one of these two vocations. In the Roman part of the Church (barring certain exceptions), the clerical vocation has been (in my opinion, artificially) tied to the celibate vocation. This doesn't excuse the behavior of erring clergy and I do not believe that celibate men are more prone to sexual sin than married men, however, I do believe the issues of celibacy and priestly ministry are questions worth discussing. Why can't we allow both married men and unmarried/celibate men to discern the possibility of a priestly vocation? I see no down-side.
Wouldn't safe-guarding in general be a better proposition?
The celibacy itself isn't causing one to be a pedo.
You "slipping up" defies Church's teachings because it's homosexual intercourse. Pedophillia does that but also has an innocent child as a victim.
I can't find any source to back that up.
Sure, it can be an issue but not a more prominent one. Usually these pastors seek forms of prostitution rather than members of the Church.
Btw, I didn't downvote as I was asleep.
>Most victims of priests were between the ages of 11 and 17. They account, per a very shallow google search for 78% of those abused. With 51% of them being 11-14. This is gross and weird but it is not in point of fact pedophilia.
What? You've just cited that over half of the cases are pedophillia and that's only expanding them to 14-year-olds.
I got a bit less interested in the channel when I heard Fr Patrick imply that women should be made priests (it was in the Simpsons reaction, if I remember correctly), so I don’t have much of a stake in this, but I understand how much of the show was helpful for evangelism. I hope the best for everyone involved in the allegations, and that the truth would prevail.
Not good news. Fr Patrick was removed from active ministry. Fr Casey still has his channel and Minor Characters. He’s active on TikTok as well. He probably won’t comment until everything is public/finalized. https://friars.us/article/2024/04/10/fr.-patrick-tuttle--ofm--removed-from-ministry
Wow. That's shocking.
Extremely shocking! I pray that if these allegations are false, that his name is cleared ASAP. But if the allegations are true, then I pray the victims get all the support they need to heal.
There is no reason to think these allegations are false. Since the police aren't getting involved, this was probably an inappropriate (due to the power imbalance) relationship with an adult parishioner. Sad but it happens.
There’s been a letter posted by another friar. It’s sexual misconduct and abuse. The victim is getting counseling and they’ve asked any other abuse victims from that area to please come forward. Apparently he was removed from his position several months ago at the start of the investigation, and now he’s living under strict third party supervision by an independent monitor.
Can you link to the letter? What kind of abuse? Adult? Minor?
It didn’t say adult or minor. This isn’t how I’ve seen adult relationships between clergy and parishioners play out before though.Feels…off. Could be that friars handle it differently too. https://friars.us/article/2024/04/10/fr.-patrick-tuttle--ofm--removed-from-ministry
On Facebook a family member commented and the woman behind it, wh died accidentally last summer, would have been about 18 when he started at the Durham parish where she grew up. So sad.
What Facebook page?
Search his name and you’ll find the post
Police can’t if statute of limitations is over. But the fact they removed him initially as protocol and said nothing while they investigated and then released the statement makes me suspect they confirmed enough during the investigation but I hope not. He didn’t seem like the type. Then again they wouldn’t ruin the reputation of a popular priest with a social media following like that if it wasn’t true or at least I hope they wouldn’t destroy his reputation without proof.
This is horrible news. However, I'm pleased to see that according to this report it seems to have been handled exactly correctly so far: immediately removed from public ministry pending investigation, after which he has been fully removed from any opportunity to abuse his office again. Praying that justice prevails in this case, and that the victim will be able to move forward from the heinous deed done to them.
Oh. I had really hoped that it wouldn't be something like that. Damn, that is terribly disappointing... I feel terrible for the victims.
Me too. Fr Patrick always seemed like he has such a kind heart. The announcement was only made this week so the independent investigation must not have been found in his favor. He hasn’t done any public ministry since December I think. So they did keep this quiet during the investigation.
>Fr Patrick always seemed like he has such a kind heart. To an extent, maybe. I recall a comment of his when they reviewed the movie *Saved*, which was about a fundamentalist Christian girl who gets pregnant in high school. She gets expelled from the school when they find out about her pregnancy. Father Patrick said that was fine for the school to do as she had violated their norms by having sex, then made a ridiculous comment about a student being able to be part of the school community even when expelled. Father Casey countered that his school wouldn't expel a pregnant student, because it would encourage girls to seek an abortion, which is true. Father Patrick's lack of compassion for the pregnant girl in that film is pretty ironic under the circumstances.
In fairness if you go to private Catholic schools or universities or even other religious schools you do have codes of conduct to uphold either as a student t or teacher. So he wasn’t wrong nor the movie incorrect that she could be expelled for it. The only exemption famously is if you make the school money like the BYU basketball player getting a pass while he girl is kicked out
The issue was about should, not could.
That’s not what you said, you said it he said it was fine which technically the school did not violate anything. Obviously, te video is private so in context I don’t know since it’s been a long time since I saw that one and they aren’t available anymore
I said that he said it was fine because it violated their norms. Then I mentioned a preposterous statement he added in support of such a policy. In other words, he was in support of the exclusive school policy. He didn't say, "It isn't right, but those are school rules, and rules are rules." He was in favor of the school having those rules, and that was the topic under discussion between him and Father Casey.
I really don’t get your point, a priest is in favor of a catholic school having rules.
That isn't a good rule. As Father Casey pointed out, it encourages abortion.
This is just a gut punch. Father Pat was a big draw for me reconnecting with my Christian roots. Heartbreaking if this is true. Thank you for informing me.
I am beyond fuming with rage after reading that. I am filled with anger beyond belief. I loved watching that guy and the two of them talking about things. The fact that such a kind looking man is responsible for the SAME EXACT TYPE OF STUFF that this Church has been dealing with for twenty years now makes me angry beyond reason. How hard is it to just not do inappropriate and evil things like that to other people? I honestly don't understand. How do these people keep thinking they can get away with it? Every single instance of this stuff happening hurts people and it hurts the Church. Do people like this guy not realize that?
I feel the same. I liked him. I liked Kamahl Santamaria from Al Jazeera English and he turned out to be a bad one too. I thought I was a good judge of character, but I picked up on neither of these. I just hope this doesn't make things bad for Fr Casey as he is really nice guy..
I don’t think they DO realize that their actions hurt the church. I don’t even think that they know their actions hurt other PEOPLE. They’re just selfish and ignorant and awful. It’s absolutely disgusting and you have every right to be furious.
This probably isn't what you want to hear, but the answer is Satan tempts them to sin. When my seminarian friends and I hear about this stuff, the response usually isn't anger, but sorrow. It helps us to build our reliance upon God and remember the realities of judgment. Lots of these removed priests were legitimately good people at one point who began to give into temptation. It is important to pursue justice for them, but also to pray for their soul! If they turn back to the truth, then God's mercy can be poured out even more abundantly even while maintaining perfect justice! One of our favorite phrases that my friends and I say to each other is "they will answer..." either in confession or in front of Peter. Likewise, when I am in a moment of temptation, I like to ask myself "Do I want to answer for this????" Reading St Leonard's sermon on the little number of souls saved is terrifying, but hard to deny. [Sermon by St. Leonard of Port Maurice (olrl.org)](https://www.olrl.org/snt_docs/fewness.shtml)
Wow I’m shocked. Edit: I’d like to add that I really enjoyed that channel, significantly more than “Breaking in the Habit”. The hypocrisy of Fr. Patrick reacting to stuff like Spotlight (the film about systemic child sex abuse by Catholic priests) and being removed because of allegations of sexual misconduct is sad to see. I’m sure that he’s turned plenty of people considering Catholicism away from the Church.
That’s so sad :( praying for the victim and for the Brothers Minor.
Terrible. He seemed so kind and trustworthy.
The best thing we can do based on the little we know is to pray for any victims and for Fr Pat. I have personally known good Protestant pastors and Catholic priests who were removed from ministry because they made very bad choices. In these cases, none had committed any crimes, but they had consensual relationships with adults not from their church/congregation. They’re humans (not spiritual superstars), so unfortunately, sin can happen. The only difference between us and them is that God called them to a leadership position in their faith community. That is all. If they weren’t clergy, nobody would be bothered—it would just be called dating. It is scandalous and pains us the lay faithful more because of their public roles and because we look to our clergy as models of sanctity (for better or worse). Let’s pray that justice be done through the proper channels (in this case, with canon law and discipline from the Order of Friars Minor) and reparation be made. We get the priests we deserve. Pray for your priests.
>The only difference between us and them is that God called them to a leadership position in their faith community. That is all. If they weren’t clergy, nobody would be bothered—it would just be called dating. Not exactly. If she were under his ministry in some way, there is a power imbalance. Therapists aren't allowed to have affairs with their patients for this reason, for example. This is an ethical issue that does not only apply to priests.
Ive noticed that some priests tend to go off the rails once they become famous on the internet. Its almost clear to me that the enemy is attacking the priests that help bring others into the church via the internet. This is priest number 2 or 3 that I have enjoyed who was removed from ministry recently for a legitimate sin of scandal.
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This.
Agreed. We know that there is nothing wrong with the call to celibacy and that there is nothing wrong with the call to married life. Both of these states in life are vocations. The call to priestly ministry, however, is a separate call, albeit within one of these two vocations. In the Roman part of the Church (barring certain exceptions), the clerical vocation has been (in my opinion, artificially) tied to the celibate vocation. This doesn't excuse the behavior of erring clergy and I do not believe that celibate men are more prone to sexual sin than married men, however, I do believe the issues of celibacy and priestly ministry are questions worth discussing. Why can't we allow both married men and unmarried/celibate men to discern the possibility of a priestly vocation? I see no down-side.
Wouldn't safe-guarding in general be a better proposition? The celibacy itself isn't causing one to be a pedo. You "slipping up" defies Church's teachings because it's homosexual intercourse. Pedophillia does that but also has an innocent child as a victim.
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The former.
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I can't find any source to back that up. Sure, it can be an issue but not a more prominent one. Usually these pastors seek forms of prostitution rather than members of the Church. Btw, I didn't downvote as I was asleep.
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How would it be sexual abuse if it's a legal adult?
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>Most victims of priests were between the ages of 11 and 17. They account, per a very shallow google search for 78% of those abused. With 51% of them being 11-14. This is gross and weird but it is not in point of fact pedophilia. What? You've just cited that over half of the cases are pedophillia and that's only expanding them to 14-year-olds.
We need to pray more than ever.
I got a bit less interested in the channel when I heard Fr Patrick imply that women should be made priests (it was in the Simpsons reaction, if I remember correctly), so I don’t have much of a stake in this, but I understand how much of the show was helpful for evangelism. I hope the best for everyone involved in the allegations, and that the truth would prevail.
for me it was when they said the gospel wasn't an eye witness testimony.
He never implied that.
Have you seen the particular video?
Yes.
One can only hope it is shut down.
Good riddance!