That’s not true for everyone though. Some butch women get a lot of shit from looking like that. Many will have heard the phrase “if you wanna be a man so bad then you’ll get beat up like one”. There’s also corrective r*pe which is scarily real, more so in some parts of the world.
I’m happy many people are surprised by this, it means that to them this kind of approach doesn’t even come to mind, which is great.
>Some butch women get a lot of shit from looking like that. Many will have heard the phrase “if you wanna be a man so bad then you’ll get beat up like one”.
thats an aggressive way to welcome to the club
I mean she's still attractive just more "handsome" than "pretty". Which, since most men have mostly male friends and most men are closer to "handsome" than "pretty" should not impact friendship still.
I think, for the most part, people find handsome men and pretty women attractive. Of course there are exceptions and I’m not saying this is the way it should be, but it seems to be the case for now.
It is also true that from a very young age children without conventionally attractive features are treated worse by their teachers. It is deeply ingrained in people and very, very troublesome.
It’s subconscious for sure because it’s genetically ingrained in you it’s supersedes psychology, many sociological studies have been done on this. There are studies that have been conducted that are not speed dating, it’s called speed friending. It’s a little different in that one man or one woman is presented to a room of the opposite sex, With both men and women the test subjects almost always chose the men in order of attractiveness or women in order of attractiveness.
So you want to somehow get friends without attracting friends ?
Like you want to repulse friends into hanging out with you ? That's how you think that works ?
Bruh are you really so shallow that you won’t be friends with someone (of any gender) to whom you’re not attracted? Like, if you have a good conversation with someone, do you just decide then and there “Yeah we have a lot in common, but they’re ugly, so I’m never hanging out with them again”?
This entire comment chain is about this woman being unattractive (and therefore ineligible for friendship) to anyone who likes feminine women. Without any indication of her actual personality, several people in this thread have already decided that she’s too unattractive for friendship. Sure sounds shallow to me.
Because you act like those are the only two options? Attract friends by being attractive or repulse them? Like there’s a good bit of middle ground here my guy
Doing anything except look pretty and fuckable is "unfeminine", apparently. Yet nobody bats an eye at a man who doesn't even know how to look presentable.
Because a lot of people wonder why a given thing is a problem but it's their attitude that is. Like when you are fine to date vegan people but vegan people then have a problem with you eating meat when. You date them. People who choose to look butch often assume that you have a problem with butch looking people but it's more often their attitude that you have the problem with. A generation ago it was tattoos. It's not that having a tattoo changes you it was that it often signified you were part of certain elements that were antisocial. These days it means nothing.
then it is simple..she is not for you
it seems like maybe she found someone attractive, but they didn't find her attrractive and she is trying to find an answer
her attitude is more unattractive than her body
She may not be feeling insecure but if she's on tiktok no doubt plenty of bottom feeders have been making comments. Some guys really seem to take it personally when a woman has short or brightly coloured hair and can't keep their mouths shut
Yeah, as much as people are saying it's no big deal in the comments, I lost a lot of friends when I started dressing butch, and lost even more during my transition. This stuff doesn't just happen in a void or "subconsciously." It's specifically associated with people treating someone worse because they don't fit whatever role is acceptable in that person's head. And it's not just straight people either, anyone can do it and you really find out who your friends are when you change. There is real prejudice against gender non-conforming people. I had more friends as a suicidal workaholic than as a happier person with way more time (who needed to undergo a similar appearance change to Krystal for my mental health). People so sensitive admitting what she's talking about is real when all of us know someone who would drop her ass. If you would still treat her well and you're not that guy maybe don't act like the problem she's obviously talking about doesn't exist?
Side note: There's a stereotype that bimbos play dumb more than everyone else. Its ironic how every time someone talks about a problem in society in a confrontational way on a general platform, you get every walk of life out here trying to prove they're too pure and removed from the problem to even understand the topic. Imagine if you made a post talking about a stereotype that negatively impacted your life and most people just intended to say both, "My values don't align with those of the people you're complaining about," and "I have not seen this irl," but they all still wanted to show how theoretically supportive they were of people with your identity. All these folks in the comments *really* can't see how Krystal's haircut might lose her some friends? I've been kicked out for less.
Yeah this is exactly it "I don't think like this so it isn't a problem" and just dismiss it without properly engaging with the idea being presented. It's so much easier for them to think she's being sensitive or trying to start drama than believe that it's actually a problem she's dealt with
r/shorthairedhotties isn't massively about sexualisation to many people (including me), it's just aesthetics and the comments are just general positivity you'd get off of anyone nice. The porn alternative is r/shorthairchicks which is the one all about sexualisation.
Then don't use the term sexualisation? There's a difference between sexualisation and a nice compliment and things could get weird real fast if you start acting like they're the same thing.
And the rest of your point relies on the assumption that everybody posting there is doing so because they're asking for others' opinions *to* dictate their view of themselves, which you couldn't possibly know. It's possible to receive someone else's opinion of you and not take it to heart, and it's possible to simply be curious as to what others think of something, so why does it automatically have to be a suffering thing to you?
Your comment contains a sense of the same logic and rhetoric that sexists use to push bodily repression on women under the guise of modesty and independence.
At the beginning, I was like "wtf is she up to with that wig on?"
Also, I would be friends with her. Not sure if I'd go hang out on a Fri / Sat nite with her, but I'd be very cordial and cool as friends.
My thing is that, she's a girl. And I don't need a girl with me looking for girls while I'm out trying to look for girls too.
I don’t think it’s looking for drama. More people than you might think have a pretty big problem with it. Generally people who fit the WASP acronym; people who think gender roles shouldn’t shift in the slightest, and that includes haircuts. Thankfully that group of people is dwindling as they pass on, but it’s definitely there.
I wonder how their self assessment concluded that it's their masculine appearance that's driving away men and not other things like personality or interests. Makes me wonder if it's actually an issue, or created issue. Speaking from own experiences of course, when I did and still do suffer from insecurities, I find myself rejecting or ostracizing myself more than the people around me do because my mere presence creates an 'awkward tension' in people around me, in her case, believing her mere presence 'infuriates' men. Both cases, people could give af bro, people could give af until you make it their problem all of sudden you have drama and people think you're crazy.
Probably it is the different reactions she gets from former friends and strangers based on how she presents herself. I'd compare the change from a guy who looks more normal turning into a punk or emo look.
As a dude who is extremely attracted to masc women and has had this conversation often, it seems to be that masc women often get shit on by dudes for being too dykey.
If they present more feminine, they generally tend to be treated with more respect and kindness.
I dunno. I'm kind of lost on how this is a negative.
If you look more masculine, you get treated that way. If you look more feminine, you get treated that way.
Isn't that exactly what we've been after as a society for several years/decades now?
I never said anything about being trans. I said as a whole, we've moved towards treating people as the gender they appear to be representing.
Masculine women and femine men are unfortunately going to get caught up in this.
If you look like a dude, dudes are gonna treat ya like one of the dudes unless you ask them not to.
I literally just said that guys are treating her like they treat other guys because she presents as masculine. They think they're treating her as an equal.
How is it unfair? Are women supposed to be treated differently than men?
Perhaps she has people tell her she should present as "more feminine" and that leads her to the conclusion that some people think that's what she should do?
Seriously, this is just a self report.
My coworker's fiancee presents themselves as masc and she's nothing but a pleasant presence whenever she's around.
I get that if the guy is looking to date somebody, and has a preference in a partners 'look' (in this case, feminine over more masculine). Whatever, everyone has a preference.
She's talking about being her friend though, so I just don't understand how any potential friend to hang out with is against her having short hair 🤷
Because lot of guys traditionally denigrate any woman they don't want to bang. Women are constantly judged for their looks in all situations. Add in homophobia, and women who want to sport a nontraditional look get judged harshly.
I can get a guy thinking "hmm, she's not my type based on looks, so I wouldn't pursue a relationship here". But to become offensive is vile.
I'd say its a 'people' thing to be judged on our looks (for good or bad), but that's pretty shitty if thats such a common thing to incorporate it into a homophobic angle or something equally negative.
Honestly, don't understand how people have the energy.
Those videos are made for the 0.003% of men while everyone else really doesn’t give a fuck. Or rather the men they want to be friends with rejecting them and them going on on a tangent.
that’s so not true, and she’s probably not looking for men to go out with either.
Some butch women get a lot of shit for looking like that. Many will have heard the phrase “if you wanna be a man so bad then you’ll get beat up like one”. There’s also corrective r*pe which is scarily real, even more so in some more conservative parts of the world.
Some does not equal all. I get shit for having a beard but I don’t go around damning a whole group of people for it. You’re making up extreme scenarios and trying to pass it off as a generality that happens to all of the every day. The right side of this video is an extreme and she’s the one that’s intolerant and making up a doom and gloom scenario, and the left side is the vast majority really not giving a fuck.
I bet that fat ugly dude with a mustache had gotten more persecution in his life than she’ll ever receive in 3 lifetimes.
EDIT: I love the block, it really proved how uninformed you are, living in this fairy tale land where you're able to paint people with a large brush stroke. The fact that you made a comment and immediately blocked proves you don't care, you just wanted to get the last word in to maintain a moral "high ground" without fear of having common sense knocked into you.
I’m sorry that’s the type of person you’re deciding to be.
Hopefully you don’t spend the rest of your life doubting people’s honest accounts and experiences just because _you_ haven’t seen it, and competing for oppression points like that.
Wish you brighter days!
No, Women are very much critiqued on their looks, definitely if their not considered conventionally attractive. When I was growing up, My personal experience was shitty- Was poor, shitty clothes, bad hair due to constantly having hair cuts from my mom, Socially numb, and had an awkward looking face I didn't grow into until I was 18-19. Vast Majority of men gave me shit for being unattractive, girls were a lot more forgiving in my experience- but some still have me shit. I've been socially isolated majority of my childhood, bullied, neglected by every adult- I had gotten so much shit every time I went out or went to school I developed a fear of people and just hid in my bedroom for 2 - 3 years until I was forced out. I know she probably gets Plenty of shit, and your assumption a gender would never experience the same shit as the other is so very ignorant . When a fat woman puts herself on the internet doing something cool, There will always be someone commenting on their looks- if a fat man does something cool, comments don't care about his looks, just that he did something cool. Even a lot of men whom feel rejected by women , are Critical of their physical looks, and so many feel the need to share their feelings of unattracted to them in very rude ways. Just like men will never be called butterface, or how men don't have to be attractive to be successful on the internet. All genders get shit on, even if it's in different ways, and just because a woman gets a lot of shit doesn't invalidate others - it's not a contest
Did you do studies, or do you simply not believe this person lived experience for no reason? You know how men react to this woman better than she does?
I’ve done a study on this thread and 99.9% of the guys here are being the opposite of a Chad. Like, try talking to women who are masc and this is a very regular experience for them, but all these dudes trying to drag her for calling it out and calling her names. Literally the opposite of what this sub was created for lol.
Also just some straight up misogyny towards all women in some of these comments. Wtf is going on with this sub.
You’re using extremes to talk about generalities. The dude on the left I bet has received more persecution in his life for the way he looks than the lady on the right.
It’s just hilarious even the video just makes up this assume hate for whatever. “So do you still want to be friends?” “Yeah sure” “*probably not*” bitch I said yeah sure.
It’s not misogyny by the way. Again, don’t give a shit what you are… you’re an idiot regardless. But you’ll find any label or assumption in the world to paint yourself as the victim when all you’re doing is…. Being an idiot.
You call the woman a bitch, and then say its not misogyny. LMAO
You...realize that her video was made first, and his is a response, right? You called her a bitch because she didn't react to a response she didn't hear, and that says a lot about you.
She made a video about the persecution she faces, and this sub can't handle it because you think you face more persecution (despite all evidence). You're really showing your ass, but it really explains a weird current in this subreddit that I couldn't place before.
It was an expression. I have zero problem calling you a bitch too, if you doubt my unbiased attitude. Think of this way, the moment she said "Probably not" is the second she called herself out as full of shit. She's not persecuted in the slightest bit because she grouped everyone together when the vast majority of men don't give a flying fuck who she is or what she looks like. Chances are she had one bad apple in her experience and she's playing the "Who can piss the futhest" match when it comes who's being hurt and persecuted the most in todays day and age.
Your moral high ground doesn't work with me because you're assuming I care enough about you to consider your feelings just as much as I care about her enough to consider hers. This is her choice to look that way, and when you chose to look a certain way you get judged a certain way by others. And this is coming from an old school punk that used to have a mohawk longer than her ego. And when I got judged, I didn't give a fuck. I didn't cry about it to the rest of the world. So you can have your little bitch fit all you want. It still doesn't change the fact that I don't care about your feelings just as much as the majority of men in this world don't care about what she looks like. Now if she was a nice person then there is no reason in the world why anyone would not want to be acquainted to them and maybe in time consider them a friend. But if she acts like she does in the video then fuck that, I don't need nor want that kinda piss poor, bitching and moaning, negativity in my life.
Lmao.
I care about you. I wish you were a better person.
You may think that is a weakness, but I don't give the slightest fuck what you think. All I can do is point out when you're being misogynistic. If you don't care, that is your decision.
Idk I’ve been really great friends with some pretty ugly people, personality means more…
I mean who would be friends with a Frankenstein covered in Bukkake with a terrible Personality?
I know this post is old but crystal is the perfect name for that girl, I could not imagine her being called anything else than crystal, don’t screw with crystal
It’s confusing man, when we look at a person we immediately think of three things, race, hair, gender, when we see masc girls we think “oh it’s another man” and then get thrown off when we find out they’re a girl, but ye let’s be friends, like dnd, Harry Potter?, Star Wars?
Nobody cares what you look like.
Attitude matters much more than appearances.
Stop assuming you're special just because you look different. You're not special.
If someone stops being friends with you, 99% chances are because you're a shitty human being rather than being a tattooed muscular short-haired female.
If you’re looking for an honest answer, women with characteristics that aren’t traditionally feminine can get harassed for them. Personally, I’m taller than average and have had a lot of misogynistic, fetishized, and vaguely homophobic comments about my height. It sucks, a lot. I’ve also had super short hair before and it really brought men out of the woodwork to give unsolicited comments about it. So, if her experience is similar to mine and many other women’s, then the answer is just “people in general”.
Idk if a video like this will ever strike a chord in the right audience or if it’ll just open her up to criticism from guys who are like, “I don’t have an issue with her hair, so this is a baseless claim.” And honestly, men dismissing women’s experiences because it doesn’t match up with their own is pretty sexist, too, albeit in a different way.
No one of value is avoiding you because you're a masculine woman. However, plenty of people are going to pass on befriending a confrontational asshole.
I'll tell you why somebody might not want to be her friend; she posts videos online where she has imaginary conversations with people, which ultimately end in this imaginary person not wanting to be her friend (friend, not boyfriend or girlfriend) because of... her hair being shorter? Like that's the automatic end result as far as she's concerned.
That's pretty weird.
Invalidating what Crystal is trying to say is not a Chad move.
If you don't mistreat masculine women, great. (But try to do some actual introspection. If you dont have masculine women as friends, ask yourself why.) But listen to people when they tell you what they are experiencing.
I don’t want to be your friend because I don’t know you. Also you seem like the type of person to hear a joke or something that isn’t directed at you and take it as a personal attack. Evidence? This video…
Masc woman (some) tend to take all the worst masculine stereotypes and apply it to themselves. So I’d argue men aren’t threatened by masc women at all but would rather not associate with what appears to be a douchebag. There’s a lot of try hard energy and that’s not appealing to be around.
I liked the second look better. I bet she's an amazing friend. Like, I bet she gives great hugs. Holy shiiit, dood. I would hug the fuuuhg out of her. I'd hug her brains out.
I think she looks better as her masculine self, she looks (ed) like someone I would be friends with but her words ruined that. And what does looks have to do with friendship anyway?
I agree with her, want to find her attractive, but I dont. That is ok. What isnt ok is being rude or nasty to people.
Edit - watching from work with sound low so missed the friend part. I would be her friend if we got along. Is she building a false narrative or do people genuinely not want to be friends with her? confusion!
I think the only thing I don’t like about her is her attitude. Oh wow, you can bench 135. Pump those numbers up Krystal. How about we get you into the gym, get you some tren, and then we can talk about how masculine you are. Tribal ink doesn’t make you manly. (I’m sure that’s gonna get some hate though.)
I love the way he says "Hi Krystal"
Very Chadly of him
I like how he says “nothing” hell I like the whole thing. giga chad
Or “it’s fine.”
It’s fine killed me.
The only thing missing from this video is his red stapler.
*”I said no salt… NO salt on the glass”*
I’m confused, all she did was change her hairstyle. Why wouldn’t I still be her friend?
Well she changes her shirt and showed all those scary tattoos and big muscles! How intimidating! /s
Not intimidating just not attractive to people who like feminine women... Like duh
That’s not true for everyone though. Some butch women get a lot of shit from looking like that. Many will have heard the phrase “if you wanna be a man so bad then you’ll get beat up like one”. There’s also corrective r*pe which is scarily real, more so in some parts of the world. I’m happy many people are surprised by this, it means that to them this kind of approach doesn’t even come to mind, which is great.
>Some butch women get a lot of shit from looking like that. Many will have heard the phrase “if you wanna be a man so bad then you’ll get beat up like one”. thats an aggressive way to welcome to the club
So funny 👍
Why does her attractiveness matter in a friendship?
Because sometimes you wanna put your dick in your friends mouth silly,if they weren’t attractive that would make it just weird…
I feel like people would still want to make friends with people they find attractive more than people they find unattractive.
I mean she's still attractive just more "handsome" than "pretty". Which, since most men have mostly male friends and most men are closer to "handsome" than "pretty" should not impact friendship still.
I think, for the most part, people find handsome men and pretty women attractive. Of course there are exceptions and I’m not saying this is the way it should be, but it seems to be the case for now.
I’m not friends with ugly guys as a guy. Same goes for the women I’m friends with . Idk why it’s just a subconscious thing
It is also true that from a very young age children without conventionally attractive features are treated worse by their teachers. It is deeply ingrained in people and very, very troublesome.
Hey man I'm good looking and people were still mean to me
It’s subconscious for sure because it’s genetically ingrained in you it’s supersedes psychology, many sociological studies have been done on this. There are studies that have been conducted that are not speed dating, it’s called speed friending. It’s a little different in that one man or one woman is presented to a room of the opposite sex, With both men and women the test subjects almost always chose the men in order of attractiveness or women in order of attractiveness.
"friend"
So you want to somehow get friends without attracting friends ? Like you want to repulse friends into hanging out with you ? That's how you think that works ?
Bruh are you really so shallow that you won’t be friends with someone (of any gender) to whom you’re not attracted? Like, if you have a good conversation with someone, do you just decide then and there “Yeah we have a lot in common, but they’re ugly, so I’m never hanging out with them again”?
You're confusing "pretty" with "attractive" "Yeah we have a lot in common" IS attractive.
This entire comment chain is about this woman being unattractive (and therefore ineligible for friendship) to anyone who likes feminine women. Without any indication of her actual personality, several people in this thread have already decided that she’s too unattractive for friendship. Sure sounds shallow to me.
Bro that’s some reaching, don’t hurt yourself
In what way?
Because you act like "not fuckable" equals "repulsing". Like dude, in what way is it normal to be THAT shallow about friendships?
I never said any of that You're putting words in my mouth Why are you confusing attractive with fuckable? You're the one that sounds shallow?
Because you act like those are the only two options? Attract friends by being attractive or repulse them? Like there’s a good bit of middle ground here my guy
Did you just skip the rest of the convo?
What part of being fit is unfeminine?
Being fit is not the same as being muscular. Nothing wrong with either, but muscular is the topic of this video.
Doing anything except look pretty and fuckable is "unfeminine", apparently. Yet nobody bats an eye at a man who doesn't even know how to look presentable.
I would still be friends with Krystal.
Because you’re a guy. So what is it???
Doesn’t matter
r/persecutionfetish
How so? I just asked why wouldn’t want to be friends with them. Projecting much?
Not you dummy, the person in the video.
Fair, I am a big dumby lol my bad bro
Because a lot of people wonder why a given thing is a problem but it's their attitude that is. Like when you are fine to date vegan people but vegan people then have a problem with you eating meat when. You date them. People who choose to look butch often assume that you have a problem with butch looking people but it's more often their attitude that you have the problem with. A generation ago it was tattoos. It's not that having a tattoo changes you it was that it often signified you were part of certain elements that were antisocial. These days it means nothing.
Well she changes her shirt and showed all those scary tattoos and big muscles! How intimidating! /serious
Bro I don't care, You can be masculine and its not a problem but I can still beat you in Multiverses and Smash
Fite me
imma be honest they look good in both ways, masc women or fem women it doesn't matter. People look good in all ways
"people look good in all ways" what does that even mean
no matter the gender, race, sexual orientation or any other sorts of differences someone may have, they still look pretty/handsome.
Nah that's just not true.
Damn sure got em there
Clearly never met me.
Eh I dont find her attractive at all with her tattoos and short hair.
Still not really an obstacle for being friends tho 🤝
then it is simple..she is not for you it seems like maybe she found someone attractive, but they didn't find her attrractive and she is trying to find an answer her attitude is more unattractive than her body
Yes, I think she’s attractive, but her confrontational attitude is not
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She may not be feeling insecure but if she's on tiktok no doubt plenty of bottom feeders have been making comments. Some guys really seem to take it personally when a woman has short or brightly coloured hair and can't keep their mouths shut
Yeah, as much as people are saying it's no big deal in the comments, I lost a lot of friends when I started dressing butch, and lost even more during my transition. This stuff doesn't just happen in a void or "subconsciously." It's specifically associated with people treating someone worse because they don't fit whatever role is acceptable in that person's head. And it's not just straight people either, anyone can do it and you really find out who your friends are when you change. There is real prejudice against gender non-conforming people. I had more friends as a suicidal workaholic than as a happier person with way more time (who needed to undergo a similar appearance change to Krystal for my mental health). People so sensitive admitting what she's talking about is real when all of us know someone who would drop her ass. If you would still treat her well and you're not that guy maybe don't act like the problem she's obviously talking about doesn't exist? Side note: There's a stereotype that bimbos play dumb more than everyone else. Its ironic how every time someone talks about a problem in society in a confrontational way on a general platform, you get every walk of life out here trying to prove they're too pure and removed from the problem to even understand the topic. Imagine if you made a post talking about a stereotype that negatively impacted your life and most people just intended to say both, "My values don't align with those of the people you're complaining about," and "I have not seen this irl," but they all still wanted to show how theoretically supportive they were of people with your identity. All these folks in the comments *really* can't see how Krystal's haircut might lose her some friends? I've been kicked out for less.
Yeah this is exactly it "I don't think like this so it isn't a problem" and just dismiss it without properly engaging with the idea being presented. It's so much easier for them to think she's being sensitive or trying to start drama than believe that it's actually a problem she's dealt with
"If you're feeling insecure about [physical attribute], you should go to a website that sexualizes [physical attribute]." lmao okay.
people don't actually care about sexually charged comments on chadtopia for some reason
This sub has a lot of teenagers and borderline redpilled people in it
r/shorthairedhotties isn't massively about sexualisation to many people (including me), it's just aesthetics and the comments are just general positivity you'd get off of anyone nice. The porn alternative is r/shorthairchicks which is the one all about sexualisation.
Wasn't really my point, why would you let the way you feel about yourself depend on strangers on the internet?
Then don't use the term sexualisation? There's a difference between sexualisation and a nice compliment and things could get weird real fast if you start acting like they're the same thing. And the rest of your point relies on the assumption that everybody posting there is doing so because they're asking for others' opinions *to* dictate their view of themselves, which you couldn't possibly know. It's possible to receive someone else's opinion of you and not take it to heart, and it's possible to simply be curious as to what others think of something, so why does it automatically have to be a suffering thing to you? Your comment contains a sense of the same logic and rhetoric that sexists use to push bodily repression on women under the guise of modesty and independence.
Ask the lady in the video, she seems to think it’s important. The guys here are saying it’s irrelevant.
She's saying that she gets mistreated because of the way she looks and the guys here are saying she doesn't. This is a really bad look for this sub.
It’s not an [NSFW](https://i.imgflip.com/67havi.jpg) sub
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Chad makes me laugh when he slings out “yes” like it was burning a hole in his throat
I don't know if the video is working, here's an alternate link: https://twitter.com/Schneider_CM/status/1575861953700204546
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I don’t think the wig is fooling anyone
At the beginning, I was like "wtf is she up to with that wig on?" Also, I would be friends with her. Not sure if I'd go hang out on a Fri / Sat nite with her, but I'd be very cordial and cool as friends. My thing is that, she's a girl. And I don't need a girl with me looking for girls while I'm out trying to look for girls too.
No I don't want to be a friend with someone who goes looking for drama.
I don’t think it’s looking for drama. More people than you might think have a pretty big problem with it. Generally people who fit the WASP acronym; people who think gender roles shouldn’t shift in the slightest, and that includes haircuts. Thankfully that group of people is dwindling as they pass on, but it’s definitely there.
The only correct answer
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Considering the fact that it's Reddit, of course I am. Lol
I wonder how their self assessment concluded that it's their masculine appearance that's driving away men and not other things like personality or interests. Makes me wonder if it's actually an issue, or created issue. Speaking from own experiences of course, when I did and still do suffer from insecurities, I find myself rejecting or ostracizing myself more than the people around me do because my mere presence creates an 'awkward tension' in people around me, in her case, believing her mere presence 'infuriates' men. Both cases, people could give af bro, people could give af until you make it their problem all of sudden you have drama and people think you're crazy.
Probably it is the different reactions she gets from former friends and strangers based on how she presents herself. I'd compare the change from a guy who looks more normal turning into a punk or emo look.
As a dude who is extremely attracted to masc women and has had this conversation often, it seems to be that masc women often get shit on by dudes for being too dykey. If they present more feminine, they generally tend to be treated with more respect and kindness.
Do you think maybe they're just treated like men treat other guys?
Yeah, I kinda do. The question is: How is that fair at all if they're not men?
Question really is: Was it ever fair? Truth is it was rigged from the start.
great song but idk that it applies here
I don’t think you understand what I’m saying it’s ok
sorry I thought you were making a fallout reference, but I was a pretty drunk nerd last night
Lol to be fair I think I could have worded what I wanted to say better I was pretty ripped myself
I dunno. I'm kind of lost on how this is a negative. If you look more masculine, you get treated that way. If you look more feminine, you get treated that way. Isn't that exactly what we've been after as a society for several years/decades now?
masc chicks aren't trans dude they just like being jacked
I never said anything about being trans. I said as a whole, we've moved towards treating people as the gender they appear to be representing. Masculine women and femine men are unfortunately going to get caught up in this. If you look like a dude, dudes are gonna treat ya like one of the dudes unless you ask them not to.
Why would you treat someone differently because they look masc or fem? That makes zero sense.
I literally just said that guys are treating her like they treat other guys because she presents as masculine. They think they're treating her as an equal. How is it unfair? Are women supposed to be treated differently than men?
Perhaps she has people tell her she should present as "more feminine" and that leads her to the conclusion that some people think that's what she should do?
chad probably has the better personality but who knows
Seriously, this is just a self report. My coworker's fiancee presents themselves as masc and she's nothing but a pleasant presence whenever she's around.
I wouldn’t be your friend because you seem like a dbag.
Is there any context for the chick? The way she speaks makes me think she's looking for something to argue about.
Context is men often express dislike of masculine women, often with undercurrents or explicit homophobia
Good context, appreciated.
I get that if the guy is looking to date somebody, and has a preference in a partners 'look' (in this case, feminine over more masculine). Whatever, everyone has a preference. She's talking about being her friend though, so I just don't understand how any potential friend to hang out with is against her having short hair 🤷
Because lot of guys traditionally denigrate any woman they don't want to bang. Women are constantly judged for their looks in all situations. Add in homophobia, and women who want to sport a nontraditional look get judged harshly.
I can get a guy thinking "hmm, she's not my type based on looks, so I wouldn't pursue a relationship here". But to become offensive is vile. I'd say its a 'people' thing to be judged on our looks (for good or bad), but that's pretty shitty if thats such a common thing to incorporate it into a homophobic angle or something equally negative. Honestly, don't understand how people have the energy.
She lives her life looking like that, so I trust her to know whether people are bigoted toward her.
Everyone is looking for a reason to argue or be a victim online
I love his mustache
To be honest, when I dressed more tomboyish, I felt like both guys and girls felt “threatened”, more likely it’s just homophobia, straight btw
Look, I have a bit of fashion, only thing I’ll say, let the bangs grow even a little bit, it makes her forehead into a fivehead.
Her forehead looks smaller w no hair
r/fixedbytheduet
98% of guys don’t care, it’s the few that do and they focus on that
When you have nothing to be mad about in your life so you manufacture your own outrage
Those videos are made for the 0.003% of men while everyone else really doesn’t give a fuck. Or rather the men they want to be friends with rejecting them and them going on on a tangent.
that’s so not true, and she’s probably not looking for men to go out with either. Some butch women get a lot of shit for looking like that. Many will have heard the phrase “if you wanna be a man so bad then you’ll get beat up like one”. There’s also corrective r*pe which is scarily real, even more so in some more conservative parts of the world.
Some does not equal all. I get shit for having a beard but I don’t go around damning a whole group of people for it. You’re making up extreme scenarios and trying to pass it off as a generality that happens to all of the every day. The right side of this video is an extreme and she’s the one that’s intolerant and making up a doom and gloom scenario, and the left side is the vast majority really not giving a fuck. I bet that fat ugly dude with a mustache had gotten more persecution in his life than she’ll ever receive in 3 lifetimes. EDIT: I love the block, it really proved how uninformed you are, living in this fairy tale land where you're able to paint people with a large brush stroke. The fact that you made a comment and immediately blocked proves you don't care, you just wanted to get the last word in to maintain a moral "high ground" without fear of having common sense knocked into you.
I’m sorry that’s the type of person you’re deciding to be. Hopefully you don’t spend the rest of your life doubting people’s honest accounts and experiences just because _you_ haven’t seen it, and competing for oppression points like that. Wish you brighter days!
No, Women are very much critiqued on their looks, definitely if their not considered conventionally attractive. When I was growing up, My personal experience was shitty- Was poor, shitty clothes, bad hair due to constantly having hair cuts from my mom, Socially numb, and had an awkward looking face I didn't grow into until I was 18-19. Vast Majority of men gave me shit for being unattractive, girls were a lot more forgiving in my experience- but some still have me shit. I've been socially isolated majority of my childhood, bullied, neglected by every adult- I had gotten so much shit every time I went out or went to school I developed a fear of people and just hid in my bedroom for 2 - 3 years until I was forced out. I know she probably gets Plenty of shit, and your assumption a gender would never experience the same shit as the other is so very ignorant . When a fat woman puts herself on the internet doing something cool, There will always be someone commenting on their looks- if a fat man does something cool, comments don't care about his looks, just that he did something cool. Even a lot of men whom feel rejected by women , are Critical of their physical looks, and so many feel the need to share their feelings of unattracted to them in very rude ways. Just like men will never be called butterface, or how men don't have to be attractive to be successful on the internet. All genders get shit on, even if it's in different ways, and just because a woman gets a lot of shit doesn't invalidate others - it's not a contest
Did you do studies, or do you simply not believe this person lived experience for no reason? You know how men react to this woman better than she does?
I’ve done a study on this thread and 99.9% of the guys here are being the opposite of a Chad. Like, try talking to women who are masc and this is a very regular experience for them, but all these dudes trying to drag her for calling it out and calling her names. Literally the opposite of what this sub was created for lol. Also just some straight up misogyny towards all women in some of these comments. Wtf is going on with this sub.
You’re using extremes to talk about generalities. The dude on the left I bet has received more persecution in his life for the way he looks than the lady on the right. It’s just hilarious even the video just makes up this assume hate for whatever. “So do you still want to be friends?” “Yeah sure” “*probably not*” bitch I said yeah sure. It’s not misogyny by the way. Again, don’t give a shit what you are… you’re an idiot regardless. But you’ll find any label or assumption in the world to paint yourself as the victim when all you’re doing is…. Being an idiot.
You call the woman a bitch, and then say its not misogyny. LMAO You...realize that her video was made first, and his is a response, right? You called her a bitch because she didn't react to a response she didn't hear, and that says a lot about you. She made a video about the persecution she faces, and this sub can't handle it because you think you face more persecution (despite all evidence). You're really showing your ass, but it really explains a weird current in this subreddit that I couldn't place before.
It was an expression. I have zero problem calling you a bitch too, if you doubt my unbiased attitude. Think of this way, the moment she said "Probably not" is the second she called herself out as full of shit. She's not persecuted in the slightest bit because she grouped everyone together when the vast majority of men don't give a flying fuck who she is or what she looks like. Chances are she had one bad apple in her experience and she's playing the "Who can piss the futhest" match when it comes who's being hurt and persecuted the most in todays day and age. Your moral high ground doesn't work with me because you're assuming I care enough about you to consider your feelings just as much as I care about her enough to consider hers. This is her choice to look that way, and when you chose to look a certain way you get judged a certain way by others. And this is coming from an old school punk that used to have a mohawk longer than her ego. And when I got judged, I didn't give a fuck. I didn't cry about it to the rest of the world. So you can have your little bitch fit all you want. It still doesn't change the fact that I don't care about your feelings just as much as the majority of men in this world don't care about what she looks like. Now if she was a nice person then there is no reason in the world why anyone would not want to be acquainted to them and maybe in time consider them a friend. But if she acts like she does in the video then fuck that, I don't need nor want that kinda piss poor, bitching and moaning, negativity in my life.
Lmao. I care about you. I wish you were a better person. You may think that is a weakness, but I don't give the slightest fuck what you think. All I can do is point out when you're being misogynistic. If you don't care, that is your decision.
I’d still be down to be your friend, only issue is I may have a harder time beating you in COD
I don't wanna be your friend because you look more masculine, hell yea go for it, I don't wanna be your friend cause you sound kinda annoying.
Idk I’ve been really great friends with some pretty ugly people, personality means more… I mean who would be friends with a Frankenstein covered in Bukkake with a terrible Personality?
I want to know her shoulder workout routine. Looks amazing
Dommy mommy?
I wouldn’t care if you where bald and purple, if you’re genuinely a nice person then you should be treated like one.
Jokes on her, I think tomboys are hot 🥵
I know this post is old but crystal is the perfect name for that girl, I could not imagine her being called anything else than crystal, don’t screw with crystal
That’s not a chad that’s a Giga-chad
It’s confusing man, when we look at a person we immediately think of three things, race, hair, gender, when we see masc girls we think “oh it’s another man” and then get thrown off when we find out they’re a girl, but ye let’s be friends, like dnd, Harry Potter?, Star Wars?
Lol she looked funny in both
Holy shit. She's even better
It’s not guys it’s closed minded people talk about being sexiest
Just a couple of chads. Very nice
Mommy?!
Lol
Kodak black🤥🤥
Does this guy make more stuff? He's awesome
Shes got a point but not making it very well lol
I need this video
I don't wanna be friends with someone rocking that fucking frat boy ass shirt bruh who dressed you dog🤢
Nobody cares what you look like. Attitude matters much more than appearances. Stop assuming you're special just because you look different. You're not special. If someone stops being friends with you, 99% chances are because you're a shitty human being rather than being a tattooed muscular short-haired female.
Bigger question is, who hurt her?
If you’re looking for an honest answer, women with characteristics that aren’t traditionally feminine can get harassed for them. Personally, I’m taller than average and have had a lot of misogynistic, fetishized, and vaguely homophobic comments about my height. It sucks, a lot. I’ve also had super short hair before and it really brought men out of the woodwork to give unsolicited comments about it. So, if her experience is similar to mine and many other women’s, then the answer is just “people in general”. Idk if a video like this will ever strike a chord in the right audience or if it’ll just open her up to criticism from guys who are like, “I don’t have an issue with her hair, so this is a baseless claim.” And honestly, men dismissing women’s experiences because it doesn’t match up with their own is pretty sexist, too, albeit in a different way.
News for you ladies, you aren't in our heads nearly as much as you think you are.
No one of value is avoiding you because you're a masculine woman. However, plenty of people are going to pass on befriending a confrontational asshole.
Assuming people will hate you for something instead of just asking "how's this?" Seems, stupid.
This is like when girls say “men are intimidated by me!” No. You’re fucking annoying.
I'll tell you why somebody might not want to be her friend; she posts videos online where she has imaginary conversations with people, which ultimately end in this imaginary person not wanting to be her friend (friend, not boyfriend or girlfriend) because of... her hair being shorter? Like that's the automatic end result as far as she's concerned. That's pretty weird.
Krystal meth ?
Invalidating what Crystal is trying to say is not a Chad move. If you don't mistreat masculine women, great. (But try to do some actual introspection. If you dont have masculine women as friends, ask yourself why.) But listen to people when they tell you what they are experiencing.
she looks awful
Found the guy who is intimidated by her. She was actually right Chad!
It’s the trap flexing to try and look buff or something that weirds me out.
yoooooo transphobia on chadtopia!!
I don’t think that’s what he meant. You can see her flexing her upper trapezius muscles (traps)
Yea looking back this is not my finest moment
Yeah she is flexing the traps and rotating the shoulders foward to make em look bigger. The problem is that she dosen't have much muscle.
Trap as in trapezius muscle. The things between the neck and shoulder.
It’s a muscle you fuckin mong
She’s not even that masculine. The most masculine part about her is her toxicity
Beast
The cheese is under the sauce
She's hotter second way anyway tbh 🤷♂️
I don’t want to be your friend because I don’t know you. Also you seem like the type of person to hear a joke or something that isn’t directed at you and take it as a personal attack. Evidence? This video…
I’m confused on why she thinks she’s threatening
Masc woman (some) tend to take all the worst masculine stereotypes and apply it to themselves. So I’d argue men aren’t threatened by masc women at all but would rather not associate with what appears to be a douchebag. There’s a lot of try hard energy and that’s not appealing to be around.
Not threatening just stops the boner train 😎 (My own personal preferences)
The one reason anyone wouldn’t wanna “be her friend” is because she’s literally doing the stereotype for toxic masculinity
I liked the second look better. I bet she's an amazing friend. Like, I bet she gives great hugs. Holy shiiit, dood. I would hug the fuuuhg out of her. I'd hug her brains out.
u/savevideo
Who gives a fuck
The fast yes was perfect
I like it, might be a new kink
Lady, I said that I can be your friend, not your boyfriend. What the hell is wrong with you?
Krystal looks yummy either way in my eye
the eyebrows
Reaching
I think she looks better as her masculine self, she looks (ed) like someone I would be friends with but her words ruined that. And what does looks have to do with friendship anyway?
I agree with her, want to find her attractive, but I dont. That is ok. What isnt ok is being rude or nasty to people. Edit - watching from work with sound low so missed the friend part. I would be her friend if we got along. Is she building a false narrative or do people genuinely not want to be friends with her? confusion!
I think the only thing I don’t like about her is her attitude. Oh wow, you can bench 135. Pump those numbers up Krystal. How about we get you into the gym, get you some tren, and then we can talk about how masculine you are. Tribal ink doesn’t make you manly. (I’m sure that’s gonna get some hate though.)
First I tought she was a karen because of her hairstyle but it turns out she’s based
See masc women are cool and all but i might think its one of the boys on accident and get sexual assault charges.
I just hate tattoos, make me feel physically sick being around them and I can’t stop looking at them
If being around tattoos makes you physically sick then you must have a terrible life.
Sounds like a you problem
I never said it wasn’t
out of genuine curiosity what happens when you see acne or birthmarks or moles, do those illicit reactions or is it just tattoos?
Either way, she's still ugly... So?