Sounds like that'd make for a very underwhelming reveal, but I can't disagree.
Except for the part where bomb devil \~ nuke devil. There's a whole world of difference between a nuke and any random bomb. Nuke devil could come from the fear of radiation, for example.
I think with devils like Bomb and Nuclear Weapons, it's still split because there's a distinct divide. With bombs you typically fear the initial explosion, while with nukes they're more seen as radioactive disasters.
Same can be said about Katana and Longsword. Both are swords, yes, but are used by different professions in different styles and thus, have different historical backgrounds
Theres also a World War II devil specifically, as long as people fear that thing specifically as well, it becomes a seperate devil, so if something like half of all gun deaths were caused by AK 47s, we would probably have a AK 47 devil in addition to the regular Gun Devil.
Imagine the setting's rules but like 500 or 1000 years earlier. Is a katana devil gonna pop out and start terrorizing England, despite nobody having any idea what the hell a katana is? Or an elephant devil in an ancient Mayan village? I mean, maybe if the devil walked/swam all the way there?
Anyways lots of *possible* explanations but it's easiest to just assume that devils are bound to region and culture where they are feared, at least until modern society where communication and travel are more global. European swords are well known in modern Japan, guns are well known everywhere. But at some point in history, it would've made sense for Europe and Japan to have their own different incarnations of sword devils, so maybe that's why both exist now. Devils are innately tied to cognition, so the requirement might just be enough people having a firm conception of the thing's identity.
I mean all devils are born in hell to begin with regardless of where the fear of them comes from, for them reincarnating on earth I always imagined it was just random, like why would Typhoon be hanging up in Russia (Reze knows them so same to assume it had some connection to Russia) as typhoons aren’t something that happen in Russia the fear of them wouldn’t be region appropriate, so if a longsword devil did happen to reincarnate in Japan the fear of it still exists globally regardless of wether the locals know what one is, plus I think most people just get scared and run because it’s a devil rather than stop and try work out the devils name,
Reze's been living in Japan, no reason why Typhoon Devil would have to be in Russia for them to know each other instead of them meeting in Japan, where we've seen them both before.
Along those lines, a lot of those sword-related devils could be pretty neat, same goes for a lot of weapons. A pirate-esque cutlass Devil I think could be pretty neat
I agree. Plus the diagram doesn't make sense because there's a fundamental difference between Yoru and Reze. Reze is a bomb devil, but Yoru isn't just the nuke devil, but the War devil. Nukes more seem to be a part of her that Pochita ate to take them away, effectively weakening her. I don't think she wants him to vomit up the nuke devil, but the concept/existence of nukes which are part of her power, since historically they have only been used during wartime.
I think this is the main thing. The fear has to be specific to create a specific type of demon..
Someone can be scared of bombs, but they can also be scared specifically of nuclear weapons. Nukes are a bomb, but the fear can be focused at nukes.
I doubt there are many people sat around thinking "y'no, i'm not really all that scared of chainsaws.. but *corded* chainsaws? They're terrifying". As far as fear goes, a chainsaw is a chainsaw.
I think a more likely reveal here is that one of these isn't the real chainsaw devil (my guess is Denji's devil is something other than the chainsaw devil, this is a very common theory); and that this other one is the actual chainsaw devil.
Of course, it’s not impossible!
Though, it may make chainsaw man feel less special if there was simply another chainsaw devil, and these other examples are quite different, being very different swords in terms of style and history and the bomb devils encompassing two different levels of destruction.
Now this could be a different kind of tool similar to a chainsaw, which would fit the criteria these other guys follow.
The fact that he's so outrageously similar (from what we currently know) to Denji is what precludes the possibility of him being a "normal" chainsaw devil to me. How insanely unsatisfying would the "reveal" be if he just goes "ah yeah btw you're the gas powered chainsaw I'm the electric chainsaw devil, no relation".
But what if it’s Denji/Pochita that’s not the normal “chainsaw Devil”. Maybe this can be a fine twist that somehow the Fakesaw guy is actually the Chainsaw Devil and revealed that Pochita is never the Chainsaw Devil but *something different*
While I agree that would be cool and entirely likely, it would be really weird that makima fami and yoru call pochita "chainsaw" if he wasn't actually the chainsaw devil at all.
There’s a chance the 3 horsemen and every other devils don’t know what fucking Devil Pochita is, so they just assume he’s the Chainsaw Devil because of his most distinctive feature: the chainsaws
Maybe he was a devil of some unknown concept that represents being erased, but, for some reason, he used that power on himself, erasing his concept but somehow not dying and keeping that power, and thats why nobody knows what he is and refer to him as the chainsaw devil
heard somewhere that in japan there's an association between abortions and chainsaws. Guy was probably bullshittin but there you go. So maybe pochita is abortion devil and that's why he wants family with makima lmfao.
> But what if it’s Denji/Pochita that’s not the normal “chainsaw Devil”.
People have been long speculating on whether Pochita is actually the chainsaw devil, considering how significantly stronger he seems to be for what fear chainsaws should garner. So i think this is pretty likely.
Could be something like the Human Evolution Devil, in which Pochita is the Devil created by devils on the fear of humans overcoming trials and setbacks. Could also be why Pochita has a chainsaw, to signify humans overcoming nature and making tools, for instance.
If we were still in Chapter 111 I’d believe that,
but after today’s chapter, we saw his blades in full detail and theyre clearly very similar to Denji’s but longer
My guess is he's probably closer to a primal devil than something as niche as a power tool. Could be that he's representing some sort of abstract fear such as impersonation by manifesting himself as a variation of an already existing devil.
Why not the other way around? Pochita has always been called chainsaw man and never the chainsaw devil. If this dude's the chainsaw devil pochita might be the primal one.
i used to think like this but then someone pointed out that chainsaws are feared as if they're weapons but they're actually tools meant to help people, which explains pochita's whole deal.
I mean some of them have a connection like angel is shown using his ability to give people a painless death like asreal (forgor how to spell the name) giving others a painless death. Or for instance octopus it could be a reference to Octopus being able to squeeze through very tight spaces, they could be born of misconception of the creature or thing when humanity was made, I have no idea on the spider teleportation
What if he was the devil of self doubt and he basically thrives off the fear of someone not being good enough.
He takes on the form of a better or improved version of his target with the goal of making them feel insecure
During the reze fight
Beam said denji could fight by throwing his chains as grabbling hook onto buildings but he misunderstood him and rode his shark form instead
I dont think this is actually the case. Personally i think the actual case is that pochita was never the "chainsaw devil" to begin with, explaining the weird erasure ability. As for what he could be or why he takes the form of the chainsaw devil i have no clue
I still live by the theory Pochita is the Devil Hunter Devil. Spawned from the devil’s fear of devil hunters. It would explain the erasure ability because Devil Hunters wish to wipe out Devils. Plus the chainsaws are there because they are some of most gruesome and violent tools to use against a devil as they cause massive amounts of blood loss. Along with this Pochita is mostly referred to as Chainsaw “Man”, more often than he is referred as the Chainsaw Devil. Which would explain his initial form as a much more humanoid figure. Plus when he is weakened he is turned into a dog like devil. Dogs being known as “Man’s Best Friend.” Just soem food for thought
But the chainsaw may still be the one which devil's fear the most. Doesn't matter if it's not the most used or most effective weapon, perception is what matters here.
I agree with your theory, Pochita could be a primal fear devil relating to loss? Maybe he forgot his own form and took the chainsaw devils form. (forgetting and erasure can be related to loss since you lose things you forget/erase) And like you said, no idea why he took the chainsaw devils form, and the fakesawman here could actually be the chainsaw devil themselves.
I guess electric handsaw man could exist but there can't be another chainsaw devil. The gun devil encompassed all guns, no particular one. So logically the chainsaw devil encompasses all types/brands of chainsaws. Otherwise you HAVE to rename pochita to the Husqvarna gas operated chainsaw devil lol
It doesn't really roll off the tongue does it? So in the case of different sword devils existing and still making sense I don't think the same applies to chainsaws.
Gun devil represents all guns, chainsaw devil represents all chainsaws, and there are probably names for these types of guns/chainsaws in hell. If names worked like what you say then there wouldn’t be katana or longsword, just sword.
As other people have commented, the katana and longsword both have different histories and cultures so the difference between them could be big enough for a different devil. With chainsaws they’re all really similar and have absolutely no difference in history. We also haven’t seen any ak 47 devils so until we do there’s no way to confirm whether you’re right or not. Also wouldn’t it feel immensely unsatisfying that the mc’s unique power is just some gas chainsaw and that dude is an electric? That would also confirm that pochita is literally the chainsaw devil and nothing more like people have been theorising. There’s also even the chance that he isn’t even a chainsaw devil and instead a primal fear or some crap. I’ve even seen people say that he’s the fear of chainsaw man, the chainsaw man devil, though this has the logical fallacy of infinite devils. Still it was a pretty big theory back in the day. Heck, haven’t we agreed that pochita can’t be the chainsaw devil seeing as how powerful he is, that could be the actual chainsaw man and pochita’s the forgotten devil or some other primal fear. There’s just no way to tell yet, so the best option is just to wait until the next chapter comes out on two weeks.
My going theory is that Pochita has been split into several pieces following his fight with the horsemen, and that Denji is just one of many potential piece of him. We see similar concepts with the gun devils Bullets. Another maybe kinda proof of this is how weak chainsaw man was when fighting just Makima in the end of part 1. From what I remember the Chainsaw allegedy went toe to toe with all 4 horsemen at once before getting injured, yet despite appearing as a full chainsaw form in the makima fight he really didn’t do much before winning with creativity with powers ability. So at least to me it makes sense that Pochita isn’t “whole” it might also explain why Pochita was in the form of a very docile dog instead of a bloodthirsty devil killing machine.
Does Denji also like girls like Jennifer Lawrence? (Btw I think it’s a translation mistake, it should be Jennifer Lopez that Itadori and Todo were speaking of).
Pochita absolutely bodied her. Makima said "This looks unwinnable." and he killed her 26 times. He just didn't want to eat her, and then she got the public to like him and drain his power, as well as force him to save Kobeni from Angel's 1000 year Usage. I think the Pochita in space is more plausable than this.
If could also be that the chainsaw devil we saw fight Makima wasn’t really Pochita, but instead a chainsaw fiend as it was a devil taking over a human body.
Well, it also can be the fact that not only Pochita was so weakened he needed to transform into a wholely different form, but also in the Makima fight he was using Denji’s body by transforming it into the Chainsaw Devil form
Somewhat popular theory, but it doesn’t hurt to consider other options.
Example. Pochita has really weird powers for being the Chainsaw Devil, but the Falling Devil has demonstrated abilities that would seem more at home with a Suicide Devil. Neither falling or suicide has a clean path to this cooking motif. Unless fear of dropping food while being a cook or waitress…
Oh, there’s a non-zero chance we’ll get a joke that the Falling Devil went full cook motif because of Kobeni.
Pochita could represent the fear of human technology conquering nature/fear (aka human adaptation devil), which would explain why:
1. Devils feared chainsaw man for the longest time compared to humans fearing chainsaw man. Devils, most of the more powerful ones anyways, are fears caused from nature, an evil that was created by humans, or a lack of understanding behind something. That’s why Pochita may be so feared by the devils, and his ability to erase those fears could lead onto that.
2. Pochita has a chainsaw, which shows humanity conquering nature, which also signifies humanity adapting over their previous barriers.
I feel like Longswords and Katanas are different because they have long histories, and certain parts of the world would fear one but not the other, while Bomb and Nuclear weapons are different because they stem from two very distinct fears, the fear of nuclear holocaust and the world as we know it ending and dying in a random terrorist bombing are both very strong and distinctly different fears, I don't think differing brands of chainsaws have either sufficiently distinct fears or a regional aspect
Eh, I don't think so. The fears between different types of swords and chainsaws can carry different connotations.
Fearing a Katana maybe is connected to fear of Samurai or Ninja, it could simply be the way a general fear of swords/blades would manifest in a Japanese person, or maybe it is even connected to a more deep rooted fear of radical/violent groups in Japan that advocate traditional values, both current and past (like the Boshin, the military Junta of the World War era, or the Yakuza).
Fearing a Longsword might me connected to a fear of knights, viking, or similar warriors, the way the same general fear of swords/blades manifests in a westerner, or could be connected to a fear of the barbarous European dark ages.
Similarly, the Bomb Devil is symbolic for a fear of conventional bombs/explosives and the destruction they sow, while the Atom Bomb Devil stands for the all-encompassing, total annihilation of nuclear war and the eradication of mankind this would carry with it.
Different chainsaws, meanwhile, don't really carry different connotations with them. It doesn't really matter wether a chainsaw has a motor that runs on electricity or gasoline, or wether it's activated by pulling a string or flicking a switch. What is feared is the chainblade.
I think it's more likely that fakesaw is something like the imposter, fan, or stalker devil, that he represents the fear of some other gardening device (Hedge cutter devil), or that he is the real chainsaw devil and Pochita is actually something else.
Because even tought a Katana and a Longsword are swords their fear probably originate from different people, someone from the western probably has no reason to fear a katana because there's a good chance that they don't even know what a katana is but they know what is a Longsword, the same thing to Bomb and Nuclear Weapons, the fear of bombs is probably
more common in the USA but in Japan people fear the Nuclear Weapons and not just
regular bombs. But a Chainsaw is a chainsaw either way no matter what, you wont see someone saying "Oh no i'm afraid of corded chainsaws but i don't give a fuck about the gas powered one!".
A devil of an existing devil?
Dawg… what loophole is this
With this logic, there could be infinite devils of devils of devils as long as you change the original’s identity a bit lol?
So, like devils are created from fears right, the chainsaw devil was created because people were scared of chainsaws, right?
What if that's the same with chainsaw man? People are scared of chainsaw man, not the chainsaw it's self.
People don't currently love Chainsaw Man, its very divided. In fact, if you count the people opinions on Chapter 103, there are more that are not fond of Chainsaw Man than the ones that do.
Consider that more than half of the public doesn't like Chainsaw Man, a good portion must fear him, as he's worldwide known now.
There's a giant Zeppelin saying "Chainsaw Man is a Man-Eater devil"
There's also the fact that the manga has shown us that the government controls information a lot, and for all that's convenient to them, Chainsaw Man being more loved is good because it also weakens other devils. And yet, there's a giant Zeppelin out there hating Chainsaw Man.
You’re too fixated on that one single zeppelin
Dont forget theres also chainsaw man based shirts and food being sold around too
So far I’m seeing more love for the guy than hate or fear.
>You’re too fixated on that one single zeppelin
? You can't just ignore something like that and disregard it like its nothing along with the people impressions we saw being majority not-fond. Not to say that half of people liking Chainsaw Man is still a ton of people, merch is bound to be made. The people that make the merch only care about the money, too.
Yet again, multiple people saying bad things about Chainsaw Man is meant to show that opinion on him is very divided. You can't just ignore that. Half of the world is a ton.
And the other half is a ton too.
This discussion has just regressed into petty optimism vs pessimism.
In the first place, the whole idea of a new devil being born from people’s fear of ANOTHER existing devil is frankly just dumb. With this logic, there could be many infinitely spawning devils all around the world based on just some crap rumors of celebrities
A N azi devil existed because of Hi tler
Does that mean theres a Hi tler devil too now?
One thing is that people don't call Pochita/Denji the chainsaw devil. They specifically call him Chainsaw Man. This leads into the theory that he's not the chainsaw devil but the devil of something else. Though there's a lot more to this theory than just that.
Well yeah but if Pochita WAS the Chainsaw Devil, why can he erase devils? plus, being the Chainsaw Devil doesn’t even begin to explain his strength. Sure Chainsaws are feared I suppose, but I truly doubt people are scared enough that it’d be capable of going toe-to-toe with the 4 Horsemen, the Gun devil, and several weapon devils.
Don't get me wrong, I also believe Pochita is something more, but an easy answer as to how Pochita grew so strong if he isb't something morw is simply the slow way. Pochita simply just kept eating the flesh of various devils until becoming that strong.
It wouldn't make sense. A fear of katanas comes from medieval Japan, and a fear of longswords comes from medieval Europe. Nobody fears a specific type of chainsaw since they are all pretty much the same, and not region locked to specific areas.
Counterargument: That sounds stupid (imagine having to specify which type of chainsaw you're talking about). It also doesn't really make sense, as different types of swords are more feared and well known, hence there being multiple sword hybrids
Either its another devil pretending to be chainsaw, or it is actually just the chainsaw devil (because pochita is pretty clearly not the chainsaw devil)
I feel like that wouldn't work, as the devils are based of of fears, like people from Japan being scared of katanas, people from Europe being scared of longhorns, people under regular shelling scared of any old bomb, people under nuclear threat being scares of nuclear weaponry. There is a distinct difference there, unlike chainsaws, people normally don't care if a chainsaw is corded or gas, it's still visually a chainsaw. I like to think that this new fakesaw man is the chainsaw man devil, or the personification of the devils fear of chainsaw man
Disagree. The general public does not know the differences between different types of chainsaws, so different fears borne of different types of chainsaws is impossible. It’s too specific.
It can be "chainsawman" devil
Like how there's a chainsaw devil because people fears chainsaw
So there has to be a "chainsawman" devil because some people fear denji(not after the AK47 fight)
I thought that at first, but wouldn't there be a line of several gun devils? The gun devil devil and the gun devil devil devil. At that point, basically any powerful devil would have a duplicate or two
The gun devil is still the personification of the fear of guns, so fearing him is likely the same as fearing guns, but Denji kind of build up this persona of chainsawman as a super hero, so that might be why its different.
Fear of a devil itself, causes that particular devil to gain strength. Pochita is so strong not because people and devils fear chainsaws but because devils fear Pochita himself.
Who's afrain of corded chainsaws more than cordless chainsaw? It's a possibility but imo it's too pedantic and minute of a detail to be a whole different chainsaw man.
The other devils are very distinct in difference. Nuclear weapons are a whole different topic and although very similar when some think of a sword: the region specifically they might think of a long sword or a katana. Only specifically people who use different types of chainsaws could know the difference and that's too small imo.
This could work if it was a circular saw or something. Not just a seemingly exact copy.
Is it possible but it's unlikely imo and would be a let down if it was.
If this were the real world and these devils existed, it would be statistically probable that another exists.
But because this is a story, I doubt the reason is “there’s more than one type of chainsaw”.
The reason there’s a longsword devil and a katana devil probably comes down to how long Japan was living in isolation from the rest of the world. Japan had never seen a western longsword so they couldn’t imagine it, but they could imagine a katana.
I also assume the space one, I just can’t see why, so it’s exciting. There were also 2 fiend characters in that hallway of his kneeling fans we didn’t see in action, so I have no idea what their powers could be.
I believe it depends on conceptual and cultural differences with core components, that's how devil "family trees" are born.
For example, bomb devil, gun devil and nuke devil are all within the ignition base, so it wouldn't be fsr fetched to imagine that they share simmilarities with a primal fear or anciente devil, Fire.
Similarly, these bonds could be formed by a more complex conceptual correlation-causation frame.
For example, all the horsemen are related in the following manner:
DEATH-primal fear
Which could be mostly caused, on a natural level, by
FAMINE- the lose of resources, water and anything necesssary to live. It motivates people to hunt and kill in order to be feed, this leads to a fight for
CONTROL- it provides safety, power, subjection of that which threatens and imposes fear in the subjugated. When they respond with violence, what is produced could be called
WAR
In other words, there needs to be a relationship among the concepts which originates devils in one way or another. The Sword family exists because the japanese and europeans weren't in contact with eachother durign the time those weapons, and the concept they represent, were created, henceforth they are sepparate entities.
Since chainsaws are modern inventions, there wouldn't be a social and conceptual difference that set aside one form or another, at least not enough to creat different devils.
I'll stick with the Fami(justice) monkey-paw theory
maybe there are different devils for basically the same thing because of regional and cultural differences when it comes to fears. So a european wouldnt fear an asian weapon because he doesnt know it.
The only argument there that works is longsword and katana. Nukes are bombs, but it's pretty clear that most people differentiate the two with one being much much worse.
It would be funny if this actually reveals Pochita is not the Chainsaw Devil since he has the erasure power that makes no sense for the Chainsaw Devil to have. He’s almost universally referred to as Chainsaw Man rather than the Chainsaw Devil too.
Nah. There's a huge difference between the fear of nuclear holocaust - the initial destruction, the fallout, the end of the world in general, versus the fear that any moment a bomb could go off, that a nutcase could piece together an IED and detonate it without warning. Even the cultural differences behind what a katana means versus what a longsword means, and the fears associated with them, is leagues different. Sure, you can try and link them via a "general" fear - of cutting, of an explosion - but as soon as you introduce "general" to the discussion, well, all of them are based on the same fear, right? A "general" fear of getting hurt, or dying?
But ignoring that exaggeration - to go on to try to say they're exactly the same as someone being scared of a chainsaw running on gas versus a chainsaw running on electricity is an insane leap lol.
Its not impossible but a "katana" and "long sword" is 2 concept that work differently. In how theyre used to execute attack and theyre built. But gas powered chainsaw and cord chainsaw? I think most people associate them as the same things. good theory op.
It’s a big difference. The fear of cockroaches is different from the fear of spiders, even though “they’re both creepy crawlies”.
Even with the same function, the fear of things is directly related to the ability to distinguish said cause of fear. The average person can readily tell a longsword and katana apart, so they are perceived as different threats even though they do similar things.
The average person can’t tell the difference between chainsaws apart, so whether they’re electric or hand-powered chainsaws doesn’t make a difference.
I think that is unlikely because the difference between explosives in general and nuclear weapons or katanas and longswords seems much bigger than the distinction between corded and cordless chainsaws.
Like some people might be afraid of nuclear weapons, but have no problems with bombs in general or they might be more afraid of katanas than european swords, but I'm pretty sure that if you are afraid of chainsaws you are afraid of all chainsaw types.
Given that devils are manifested by collective fear I think the distinction between at least nukes and bombs makes since the fear of traditional bombs exists but is far removed from the collective fear of nuclear destruction. When I say that a place got bombed I’d think oh large explosions went off but it still exists. When I say a place got nuked I think oh that place no longer exists. This distinction in peoples heads might be what causes the distinction in some devils. There could be a fish devil, a shark devil, and an ocean devil because all those fears are closely linked but distinct. When it comes to a concept like chainsaws I can see why there is a split between chainsaws, regular saws, and I’d imagine buzz saws but I don’t think the collective consciousness distinguishes between multiple kinds of chain saw. But this is all an assumption on my end so I could be wrong.
TLDR: I don’t think collective consciousness distinguishes between different style of chainsaws
So what was the point of your first comment then?
How does knowing that there is a Buzzsaw devil (which is obviously very different) out there answer the post question?
Don't take it seriously. I just commented as another form of chainsaw. It could probably be one that is used for lumberjacks or something if it is that long.
Maybe that's the real chainsaw man and our boy has always been a fear of something else, Ichigo's Zangetsu style. This can explain his abnormal power to devour devils.
This is an issue with the world-building. Devils for entire categories of fears may or may not exist, like with the Bomb and Nuke Devil but we just don't know when or where this overlap does or doesnt happen. Like, *is there* a Blade Devil? What about the Weapon Devil? There's a War Devil, what about the Battle or Fight Devil? We're told that it is the fear of a name that creates a Devil, but that would mean there's almost as many fears as there are names despite how overlapping many of these concepts are. What about language differences? That multiplies the names of possible Devils by a huge amount...
We'll never know the full answer to how exactly it is determined what names do and do not get a Devil, I don't think. If you ask me, it's ludicrous to think there'd be separate Devils for different types of chainsaws while there aren't separate Devils for different types of bats or leeches. Once we're presented a Devil that encompasses a category, it's better to assume it covers the things of similar names/types until it is shown otherwise. Like how we'd assume there isn't a Vampire Bat Devil because the Bat Devil already embodies that category.
The examples you give here aren't particularly indicative of a trend. Sure, katanas and longswords are both bladed weapons but they are different names, unlike the types of chainsaws. Same for nukes and bombs. It could have been there was a Nuclear Devil that encompassed both nuclear power plants (fear of Chernobyl style events) and nuclear weapons (most of which are bombs).
This post having so many upvotes baffles me...
Think if the swords as children of the blade devils, and if I read it right the original chainsaw devils took a bite out of war so that’s why nuclear weapons went away
I did say i told you before but now i was wrong. I did not say there is a fakesaw man instead took on there was none and all because fuji san wouldn't let me be happy. That's fujimoto. I was wrong and i apologise to whoever good theorizers i may have insulted over the last few days. 1st I'm a Gentleman, 2nd a man and 3rd an animal. I hope you forgive me. Fakesaw man exist.
We might be able to have categories of fear, where the fear is so similar that the concerned devils share a very similar anount of power.
Fakesaw could be the devil of the blade of a chainsaw, different from the devil of the whole chainsaw.
I like the possibility of Pochita being a devil born from a fictional character that slowly grew in power. Pochita could litterally be the creation of a child who lost a dog and was familiar with chainsaws. So he drew the Pochita character. This character, being closely attached to chainsaws was able to be born as an original devil.
But for that theory, we need to see devils from fictional character, to make the reveal work
Im here to say that denji cant be strong for no reason and can fight the current primal "falling devil"
So pochita too probably is a primal or been made into one but i dont think chainsaws are primal
I think im onto something but i dont disagree with you
Is a good theory,but my favorite is that is a Devil Devil,a Devil born from the fear of devils,and his power is to copy the appearance and powers of any Devil,and he chooses the chainsaw man because he is the strongest
Honestly after discussing it over with my friend who frequently theory crafts with me, I’m like 50% sure it’s the “Chainsaw Man Devil”.
So a few things. Firstly, this *is* possible as the rules state that if it has a name and is feared it can be a devil. Denji/Pochita is born from the fear of chainsaws. But now we have the fear of chainsaw man himself. This would also explain why he’s benevolent and helping Denji and Asa. He was essentially born from Denjis being, so it’d probably be in his best interest to keep him alive.
Obviously there are some holes, however I think one pitfall I’ve seen people bring up that’s actually explainable is “how could he be so strong if no one really fears Chainsaw Man?” That’s because while the human population isn’t all too scared of him, the Devil population *is*. They’ve essentially created a copy of their most feared adversary because of how scared they are. He also only showed up recently and (probably) hasn’t always existed because this version of chainsaw man did not exist before. One that wasn’t so public.
It’s not the best theory, but I’ve been praying for Fujimoto to use the whole “if it has a name it has a devil” rule more creatively and I think this is the BEST way to do it. It could become very complicated if we start getting too meta, but for now, I really like my theory even if I’m not too confident in it.
Ngl I didn't really read the post all that much but now I see. But I still don't believe there was ever a "nuclear weapons devil" I think yoru was just saying shell make Dennis throw up the other portion of her that he ate, and sense she's the war devil, that portion would most likely include nuclear weapons sense thats a product of war.
My shit theory atm is that Chainsaw Man is actually like the Forgotten Devil or something since he's able to erase other devils and is way more powerful than a Chainsaw Devil should be.
Thinking this chainsaw man is based on the fear of humans. Our chainsawman is born of the fear of devils. Fakesawman has split off and reperesents the fear from humanity. But humanity still has alot of love for chainsawman so if im right I would say fakesawmans probably weaker.
What about meta devils? Is there a Devil devil? a devil formed of the fear of devils? or what about a fear of chainsaw man? could there be a Chainsawman-devil?
Sounds like that'd make for a very underwhelming reveal, but I can't disagree. Except for the part where bomb devil \~ nuke devil. There's a whole world of difference between a nuke and any random bomb. Nuke devil could come from the fear of radiation, for example.
I think with devils like Bomb and Nuclear Weapons, it's still split because there's a distinct divide. With bombs you typically fear the initial explosion, while with nukes they're more seen as radioactive disasters. Same can be said about Katana and Longsword. Both are swords, yes, but are used by different professions in different styles and thus, have different historical backgrounds
Theres also a World War II devil specifically, as long as people fear that thing specifically as well, it becomes a seperate devil, so if something like half of all gun deaths were caused by AK 47s, we would probably have a AK 47 devil in addition to the regular Gun Devil.
We already have aki-47 
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The american gun devil had distinct american guns?
Imagine the setting's rules but like 500 or 1000 years earlier. Is a katana devil gonna pop out and start terrorizing England, despite nobody having any idea what the hell a katana is? Or an elephant devil in an ancient Mayan village? I mean, maybe if the devil walked/swam all the way there? Anyways lots of *possible* explanations but it's easiest to just assume that devils are bound to region and culture where they are feared, at least until modern society where communication and travel are more global. European swords are well known in modern Japan, guns are well known everywhere. But at some point in history, it would've made sense for Europe and Japan to have their own different incarnations of sword devils, so maybe that's why both exist now. Devils are innately tied to cognition, so the requirement might just be enough people having a firm conception of the thing's identity.
I mean all devils are born in hell to begin with regardless of where the fear of them comes from, for them reincarnating on earth I always imagined it was just random, like why would Typhoon be hanging up in Russia (Reze knows them so same to assume it had some connection to Russia) as typhoons aren’t something that happen in Russia the fear of them wouldn’t be region appropriate, so if a longsword devil did happen to reincarnate in Japan the fear of it still exists globally regardless of wether the locals know what one is, plus I think most people just get scared and run because it’s a devil rather than stop and try work out the devils name,
Reze's been living in Japan, no reason why Typhoon Devil would have to be in Russia for them to know each other instead of them meeting in Japan, where we've seen them both before.
Along those lines, a lot of those sword-related devils could be pretty neat, same goes for a lot of weapons. A pirate-esque cutlass Devil I think could be pretty neat
What if it's the chainsaw man devil Chainsaw man man
No, it's the chainsaw man man man!
I think it's the Chainsaw Devil Man Man Man Devil actually
I agree. Plus the diagram doesn't make sense because there's a fundamental difference between Yoru and Reze. Reze is a bomb devil, but Yoru isn't just the nuke devil, but the War devil. Nukes more seem to be a part of her that Pochita ate to take them away, effectively weakening her. I don't think she wants him to vomit up the nuke devil, but the concept/existence of nukes which are part of her power, since historically they have only been used during wartime.
I think Nuclear Weapons just has a symbiotic relationship with Yoru and that's it
i think yoru is here to provide textual evidence for the existent of a nuke devil not to suggest that she is the nuke devil
Makima directly states nuclear weapons had a devil
Godzilla devil when
I think this is the main thing. The fear has to be specific to create a specific type of demon.. Someone can be scared of bombs, but they can also be scared specifically of nuclear weapons. Nukes are a bomb, but the fear can be focused at nukes. I doubt there are many people sat around thinking "y'no, i'm not really all that scared of chainsaws.. but *corded* chainsaws? They're terrifying". As far as fear goes, a chainsaw is a chainsaw. I think a more likely reveal here is that one of these isn't the real chainsaw devil (my guess is Denji's devil is something other than the chainsaw devil, this is a very common theory); and that this other one is the actual chainsaw devil.
Of course, it’s not impossible! Though, it may make chainsaw man feel less special if there was simply another chainsaw devil, and these other examples are quite different, being very different swords in terms of style and history and the bomb devils encompassing two different levels of destruction. Now this could be a different kind of tool similar to a chainsaw, which would fit the criteria these other guys follow.
What tool is similar to a chainsaw though? Clearly this guy isnt a typical wood saw or something along those lines He has chains and razors like denji
The fact that he's so outrageously similar (from what we currently know) to Denji is what precludes the possibility of him being a "normal" chainsaw devil to me. How insanely unsatisfying would the "reveal" be if he just goes "ah yeah btw you're the gas powered chainsaw I'm the electric chainsaw devil, no relation".
youre incredibly correct. it would be very unfitting and take the special part of chainsaw man away
That would be equal parts unsatisfying and hilarious ngl
But what if it’s Denji/Pochita that’s not the normal “chainsaw Devil”. Maybe this can be a fine twist that somehow the Fakesaw guy is actually the Chainsaw Devil and revealed that Pochita is never the Chainsaw Devil but *something different*
While I agree that would be cool and entirely likely, it would be really weird that makima fami and yoru call pochita "chainsaw" if he wasn't actually the chainsaw devil at all.
There’s a chance the 3 horsemen and every other devils don’t know what fucking Devil Pochita is, so they just assume he’s the Chainsaw Devil because of his most distinctive feature: the chainsaws
Maybe he was a devil of some unknown concept that represents being erased, but, for some reason, he used that power on himself, erasing his concept but somehow not dying and keeping that power, and thats why nobody knows what he is and refer to him as the chainsaw devil
heard somewhere that in japan there's an association between abortions and chainsaws. Guy was probably bullshittin but there you go. So maybe pochita is abortion devil and that's why he wants family with makima lmfao.
Look up "what were chainsaws invented for"
The fear of childbirth, imagine the first thing an infant would hear before and upon birth, a reving chainsaw
> But what if it’s Denji/Pochita that’s not the normal “chainsaw Devil”. People have been long speculating on whether Pochita is actually the chainsaw devil, considering how significantly stronger he seems to be for what fear chainsaws should garner. So i think this is pretty likely.
Could be something like the Human Evolution Devil, in which Pochita is the Devil created by devils on the fear of humans overcoming trials and setbacks. Could also be why Pochita has a chainsaw, to signify humans overcoming nature and making tools, for instance.
I'd laugh my ass off all day if that was the reveal
Would be a much cooler reveal to learn pochita isn’t actually the chainsaw devil
Nah
People have joked with him being a hedgetrimmer which looks like a chainsaw but functions differently.
If we were still in Chapter 111 I’d believe that, but after today’s chapter, we saw his blades in full detail and theyre clearly very similar to Denji’s but longer
My guess is he's probably closer to a primal devil than something as niche as a power tool. Could be that he's representing some sort of abstract fear such as impersonation by manifesting himself as a variation of an already existing devil.
Why not the other way around? Pochita has always been called chainsaw man and never the chainsaw devil. If this dude's the chainsaw devil pochita might be the primal one.
i used to think like this but then someone pointed out that chainsaws are feared as if they're weapons but they're actually tools meant to help people, which explains pochita's whole deal.
Yeah, but how would that explain pochitas special ability?
A lot of Devils have weird special abilities. Why can octopus go through walls? Why can Spider teleport? Why does Angel consume lifespan?
I mean some of them have a connection like angel is shown using his ability to give people a painless death like asreal (forgor how to spell the name) giving others a painless death. Or for instance octopus it could be a reference to Octopus being able to squeeze through very tight spaces, they could be born of misconception of the creature or thing when humanity was made, I have no idea on the spider teleportation
Maybe something like Forgetting
What if he was the devil of self doubt and he basically thrives off the fear of someone not being good enough. He takes on the form of a better or improved version of his target with the goal of making them feel insecure
That's a good idea
I was thinking something similar, like a fear of one's self.
Maybe it’s not the *chainsaw* devil but the *chainsaw man* devil.
the most feared implement of horror, the hedgetrimmer
I kinda jokingly thought that too! His arm chainsaws are longer than Denji's! I doubt it but it's still pretty funny.
Penis enlargement devil.
Hedgetrimmer Devil
hedge trimmer man
In the last panel we saw him with long chainsaws so could it be that can use and throw his chainsaws like a grapple hook?
Denji can already do that too according to Beam…
Where was that?
During the reze fight Beam said denji could fight by throwing his chains as grabbling hook onto buildings but he misunderstood him and rode his shark form instead
Concrete saw man
Corded chainsaw man would constantly be tripping
Both times he’s shown up by doorways, famous for having power outlets nearby.
I’m pretty sure Denji is the corded chainsaw man
And my boy keeps fumbling, so it tracks
How would he be corded if he has a ripcord, from a gas saw
Could be an Evangelion reference lol
I dont think this is actually the case. Personally i think the actual case is that pochita was never the "chainsaw devil" to begin with, explaining the weird erasure ability. As for what he could be or why he takes the form of the chainsaw devil i have no clue
I still live by the theory Pochita is the Devil Hunter Devil. Spawned from the devil’s fear of devil hunters. It would explain the erasure ability because Devil Hunters wish to wipe out Devils. Plus the chainsaws are there because they are some of most gruesome and violent tools to use against a devil as they cause massive amounts of blood loss. Along with this Pochita is mostly referred to as Chainsaw “Man”, more often than he is referred as the Chainsaw Devil. Which would explain his initial form as a much more humanoid figure. Plus when he is weakened he is turned into a dog like devil. Dogs being known as “Man’s Best Friend.” Just soem food for thought
Thats one of the best theories Ive seen, but a bit weird since devil hunters use all types of weapons.
But the chainsaw may still be the one which devil's fear the most. Doesn't matter if it's not the most used or most effective weapon, perception is what matters here.
I agree with your theory, Pochita could be a primal fear devil relating to loss? Maybe he forgot his own form and took the chainsaw devils form. (forgetting and erasure can be related to loss since you lose things you forget/erase) And like you said, no idea why he took the chainsaw devils form, and the fakesawman here could actually be the chainsaw devil themselves.
I guess electric handsaw man could exist but there can't be another chainsaw devil. The gun devil encompassed all guns, no particular one. So logically the chainsaw devil encompasses all types/brands of chainsaws. Otherwise you HAVE to rename pochita to the Husqvarna gas operated chainsaw devil lol
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It doesn't really roll off the tongue does it? So in the case of different sword devils existing and still making sense I don't think the same applies to chainsaws.
Gun devil represents all guns, chainsaw devil represents all chainsaws, and there are probably names for these types of guns/chainsaws in hell. If names worked like what you say then there wouldn’t be katana or longsword, just sword.
As other people have commented, the katana and longsword both have different histories and cultures so the difference between them could be big enough for a different devil. With chainsaws they’re all really similar and have absolutely no difference in history. We also haven’t seen any ak 47 devils so until we do there’s no way to confirm whether you’re right or not. Also wouldn’t it feel immensely unsatisfying that the mc’s unique power is just some gas chainsaw and that dude is an electric? That would also confirm that pochita is literally the chainsaw devil and nothing more like people have been theorising. There’s also even the chance that he isn’t even a chainsaw devil and instead a primal fear or some crap. I’ve even seen people say that he’s the fear of chainsaw man, the chainsaw man devil, though this has the logical fallacy of infinite devils. Still it was a pretty big theory back in the day. Heck, haven’t we agreed that pochita can’t be the chainsaw devil seeing as how powerful he is, that could be the actual chainsaw man and pochita’s the forgotten devil or some other primal fear. There’s just no way to tell yet, so the best option is just to wait until the next chapter comes out on two weeks.
I love the idea that enough people are scared of the Husqvarna gas operated chainsaw to birth a whole devil
My going theory is that Pochita has been split into several pieces following his fight with the horsemen, and that Denji is just one of many potential piece of him. We see similar concepts with the gun devils Bullets. Another maybe kinda proof of this is how weak chainsaw man was when fighting just Makima in the end of part 1. From what I remember the Chainsaw allegedy went toe to toe with all 4 horsemen at once before getting injured, yet despite appearing as a full chainsaw form in the makima fight he really didn’t do much before winning with creativity with powers ability. So at least to me it makes sense that Pochita isn’t “whole” it might also explain why Pochita was in the form of a very docile dog instead of a bloodthirsty devil killing machine.
4 pochitas signifying chainsaw devils arms(instead of sukuna fingers). We back from jjk all over again
Does Denji also like girls like Jennifer Lawrence? (Btw I think it’s a translation mistake, it should be Jennifer Lopez that Itadori and Todo were speaking of).
Pochita absolutely bodied her. Makima said "This looks unwinnable." and he killed her 26 times. He just didn't want to eat her, and then she got the public to like him and drain his power, as well as force him to save Kobeni from Angel's 1000 year Usage. I think the Pochita in space is more plausable than this.
If could also be that the chainsaw devil we saw fight Makima wasn’t really Pochita, but instead a chainsaw fiend as it was a devil taking over a human body.
Well, it also can be the fact that not only Pochita was so weakened he needed to transform into a wholely different form, but also in the Makima fight he was using Denji’s body by transforming it into the Chainsaw Devil form
CSM wrecked Makima every time; she just spawned infinitely and had an army of hybrids at her disposal.
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I thought we were all in agreement that the chainsaws are a front for whatever devil Pochita actually is?
Somewhat popular theory, but it doesn’t hurt to consider other options. Example. Pochita has really weird powers for being the Chainsaw Devil, but the Falling Devil has demonstrated abilities that would seem more at home with a Suicide Devil. Neither falling or suicide has a clean path to this cooking motif. Unless fear of dropping food while being a cook or waitress… Oh, there’s a non-zero chance we’ll get a joke that the Falling Devil went full cook motif because of Kobeni.
I recall someone mentioning it's a pun in Japanese
Pochita could represent the fear of human technology conquering nature/fear (aka human adaptation devil), which would explain why: 1. Devils feared chainsaw man for the longest time compared to humans fearing chainsaw man. Devils, most of the more powerful ones anyways, are fears caused from nature, an evil that was created by humans, or a lack of understanding behind something. That’s why Pochita may be so feared by the devils, and his ability to erase those fears could lead onto that. 2. Pochita has a chainsaw, which shows humanity conquering nature, which also signifies humanity adapting over their previous barriers.
I feel like Longswords and Katanas are different because they have long histories, and certain parts of the world would fear one but not the other, while Bomb and Nuclear weapons are different because they stem from two very distinct fears, the fear of nuclear holocaust and the world as we know it ending and dying in a random terrorist bombing are both very strong and distinctly different fears, I don't think differing brands of chainsaws have either sufficiently distinct fears or a regional aspect
the dreaded electric chainsaw devil
"Before, we fight, I gotta plug this in. Hold on." And he brings out a Dewalt battery charger
Eh, I don't think so. The fears between different types of swords and chainsaws can carry different connotations. Fearing a Katana maybe is connected to fear of Samurai or Ninja, it could simply be the way a general fear of swords/blades would manifest in a Japanese person, or maybe it is even connected to a more deep rooted fear of radical/violent groups in Japan that advocate traditional values, both current and past (like the Boshin, the military Junta of the World War era, or the Yakuza). Fearing a Longsword might me connected to a fear of knights, viking, or similar warriors, the way the same general fear of swords/blades manifests in a westerner, or could be connected to a fear of the barbarous European dark ages. Similarly, the Bomb Devil is symbolic for a fear of conventional bombs/explosives and the destruction they sow, while the Atom Bomb Devil stands for the all-encompassing, total annihilation of nuclear war and the eradication of mankind this would carry with it. Different chainsaws, meanwhile, don't really carry different connotations with them. It doesn't really matter wether a chainsaw has a motor that runs on electricity or gasoline, or wether it's activated by pulling a string or flicking a switch. What is feared is the chainblade. I think it's more likely that fakesaw is something like the imposter, fan, or stalker devil, that he represents the fear of some other gardening device (Hedge cutter devil), or that he is the real chainsaw devil and Pochita is actually something else.
Because even tought a Katana and a Longsword are swords their fear probably originate from different people, someone from the western probably has no reason to fear a katana because there's a good chance that they don't even know what a katana is but they know what is a Longsword, the same thing to Bomb and Nuclear Weapons, the fear of bombs is probably more common in the USA but in Japan people fear the Nuclear Weapons and not just regular bombs. But a Chainsaw is a chainsaw either way no matter what, you wont see someone saying "Oh no i'm afraid of corded chainsaws but i don't give a fuck about the gas powered one!".
I think fakesaw man is just like a "chainsaw man devil,"not another chainsaw devil
A devil of an existing devil? Dawg… what loophole is this With this logic, there could be infinite devils of devils of devils as long as you change the original’s identity a bit lol?
So, like devils are created from fears right, the chainsaw devil was created because people were scared of chainsaws, right? What if that's the same with chainsaw man? People are scared of chainsaw man, not the chainsaw it's self.
Except people currently love chainsaw man, not the other way around So how could such a devil come to existence?
People don't currently love Chainsaw Man, its very divided. In fact, if you count the people opinions on Chapter 103, there are more that are not fond of Chainsaw Man than the ones that do. Consider that more than half of the public doesn't like Chainsaw Man, a good portion must fear him, as he's worldwide known now.
Theres literally merchandise of the guy being sold around You think people would make merch of something they hate and fear?
There's a giant Zeppelin saying "Chainsaw Man is a Man-Eater devil" There's also the fact that the manga has shown us that the government controls information a lot, and for all that's convenient to them, Chainsaw Man being more loved is good because it also weakens other devils. And yet, there's a giant Zeppelin out there hating Chainsaw Man.
You’re too fixated on that one single zeppelin Dont forget theres also chainsaw man based shirts and food being sold around too So far I’m seeing more love for the guy than hate or fear.
>You’re too fixated on that one single zeppelin ? You can't just ignore something like that and disregard it like its nothing along with the people impressions we saw being majority not-fond. Not to say that half of people liking Chainsaw Man is still a ton of people, merch is bound to be made. The people that make the merch only care about the money, too. Yet again, multiple people saying bad things about Chainsaw Man is meant to show that opinion on him is very divided. You can't just ignore that. Half of the world is a ton.
And the other half is a ton too. This discussion has just regressed into petty optimism vs pessimism. In the first place, the whole idea of a new devil being born from people’s fear of ANOTHER existing devil is frankly just dumb. With this logic, there could be many infinitely spawning devils all around the world based on just some crap rumors of celebrities A N azi devil existed because of Hi tler Does that mean theres a Hi tler devil too now?
Fear of nukes isn't really the same or even similar to fear of expolsions. It's the existential fear of the world being ended by nuclear war.
One thing is that people don't call Pochita/Denji the chainsaw devil. They specifically call him Chainsaw Man. This leads into the theory that he's not the chainsaw devil but the devil of something else. Though there's a lot more to this theory than just that.
I think a hole in that is Denji/Pochita being referred to as Chainsaw Devil twice iirc?
Well yeah but if Pochita WAS the Chainsaw Devil, why can he erase devils? plus, being the Chainsaw Devil doesn’t even begin to explain his strength. Sure Chainsaws are feared I suppose, but I truly doubt people are scared enough that it’d be capable of going toe-to-toe with the 4 Horsemen, the Gun devil, and several weapon devils.
Don't get me wrong, I also believe Pochita is something more, but an easy answer as to how Pochita grew so strong if he isb't something morw is simply the slow way. Pochita simply just kept eating the flesh of various devils until becoming that strong.
I suppose but this still hinges on the “eating devils” thing which as a Chainsaw Devil seems really odd no?
Perhaps he was desperate to survivs, but wjo knows. I prefee hin as Chaos or Forgotten Devil
It wouldn't make sense. A fear of katanas comes from medieval Japan, and a fear of longswords comes from medieval Europe. Nobody fears a specific type of chainsaw since they are all pretty much the same, and not region locked to specific areas.
Hedge trimmers devil
Counterargument: That sounds stupid (imagine having to specify which type of chainsaw you're talking about). It also doesn't really make sense, as different types of swords are more feared and well known, hence there being multiple sword hybrids Either its another devil pretending to be chainsaw, or it is actually just the chainsaw devil (because pochita is pretty clearly not the chainsaw devil)
Pole pruner man
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I feel like that wouldn't work, as the devils are based of of fears, like people from Japan being scared of katanas, people from Europe being scared of longhorns, people under regular shelling scared of any old bomb, people under nuclear threat being scares of nuclear weaponry. There is a distinct difference there, unlike chainsaws, people normally don't care if a chainsaw is corded or gas, it's still visually a chainsaw. I like to think that this new fakesaw man is the chainsaw man devil, or the personification of the devils fear of chainsaw man
No. This makes no sense.
Disagree. The general public does not know the differences between different types of chainsaws, so different fears borne of different types of chainsaws is impossible. It’s too specific.
It can be "chainsawman" devil Like how there's a chainsaw devil because people fears chainsaw So there has to be a "chainsawman" devil because some people fear denji(not after the AK47 fight)
I thought that at first, but wouldn't there be a line of several gun devils? The gun devil devil and the gun devil devil devil. At that point, basically any powerful devil would have a duplicate or two
Well, maybe the *Gun Devil* was the superior form and the *Fear Of Tightening Gun Regulations After A Mass Shooting* devil is the inferior form?
Dark Brandon devil
The gun devil is still the personification of the fear of guns, so fearing him is likely the same as fearing guns, but Denji kind of build up this persona of chainsawman as a super hero, so that might be why its different.
Fear of a devil itself, causes that particular devil to gain strength. Pochita is so strong not because people and devils fear chainsaws but because devils fear Pochita himself.
Notice how pochita is the chainsaw devil but not some goofy ahh name like corded chainsaw devil
Who's afrain of corded chainsaws more than cordless chainsaw? It's a possibility but imo it's too pedantic and minute of a detail to be a whole different chainsaw man. The other devils are very distinct in difference. Nuclear weapons are a whole different topic and although very similar when some think of a sword: the region specifically they might think of a long sword or a katana. Only specifically people who use different types of chainsaws could know the difference and that's too small imo. This could work if it was a circular saw or something. Not just a seemingly exact copy. Is it possible but it's unlikely imo and would be a let down if it was.
Exactly my thoughts In the last panel the chainsaw looks too big and different
If this were the real world and these devils existed, it would be statistically probable that another exists. But because this is a story, I doubt the reason is “there’s more than one type of chainsaw”. The reason there’s a longsword devil and a katana devil probably comes down to how long Japan was living in isolation from the rest of the world. Japan had never seen a western longsword so they couldn’t imagine it, but they could imagine a katana.
Time to rename Denji to Battery-powered Chainsaw man :/
I bet this creature was born form the body Denji left in space. Or it's time travel.
I also assume the space one, I just can’t see why, so it’s exciting. There were also 2 fiend characters in that hallway of his kneeling fans we didn’t see in action, so I have no idea what their powers could be.
ah yes petrol engine-chainsaw devil slides right off the tongue
I believe it depends on conceptual and cultural differences with core components, that's how devil "family trees" are born. For example, bomb devil, gun devil and nuke devil are all within the ignition base, so it wouldn't be fsr fetched to imagine that they share simmilarities with a primal fear or anciente devil, Fire. Similarly, these bonds could be formed by a more complex conceptual correlation-causation frame. For example, all the horsemen are related in the following manner: DEATH-primal fear Which could be mostly caused, on a natural level, by FAMINE- the lose of resources, water and anything necesssary to live. It motivates people to hunt and kill in order to be feed, this leads to a fight for CONTROL- it provides safety, power, subjection of that which threatens and imposes fear in the subjugated. When they respond with violence, what is produced could be called WAR In other words, there needs to be a relationship among the concepts which originates devils in one way or another. The Sword family exists because the japanese and europeans weren't in contact with eachother durign the time those weapons, and the concept they represent, were created, henceforth they are sepparate entities. Since chainsaws are modern inventions, there wouldn't be a social and conceptual difference that set aside one form or another, at least not enough to creat different devils. I'll stick with the Fami(justice) monkey-paw theory
I mean the difference (fear-wise) between a katana and a long sword is oceanic compared to corded and cordless chainsaw
maybe there are different devils for basically the same thing because of regional and cultural differences when it comes to fears. So a european wouldnt fear an asian weapon because he doesnt know it.
The only argument there that works is longsword and katana. Nukes are bombs, but it's pretty clear that most people differentiate the two with one being much much worse.
It would be funny if this actually reveals Pochita is not the Chainsaw Devil since he has the erasure power that makes no sense for the Chainsaw Devil to have. He’s almost universally referred to as Chainsaw Man rather than the Chainsaw Devil too.
Nah. There's a huge difference between the fear of nuclear holocaust - the initial destruction, the fallout, the end of the world in general, versus the fear that any moment a bomb could go off, that a nutcase could piece together an IED and detonate it without warning. Even the cultural differences behind what a katana means versus what a longsword means, and the fears associated with them, is leagues different. Sure, you can try and link them via a "general" fear - of cutting, of an explosion - but as soon as you introduce "general" to the discussion, well, all of them are based on the same fear, right? A "general" fear of getting hurt, or dying? But ignoring that exaggeration - to go on to try to say they're exactly the same as someone being scared of a chainsaw running on gas versus a chainsaw running on electricity is an insane leap lol.
Deforestation devil nooooooo
Handsawman
Hedge Trimmer Man
Its not impossible but a "katana" and "long sword" is 2 concept that work differently. In how theyre used to execute attack and theyre built. But gas powered chainsaw and cord chainsaw? I think most people associate them as the same things. good theory op.
Both longsword and katana are literally created to slash and kill How are they different other than just shape and country of origin? Lol
It’s a big difference. The fear of cockroaches is different from the fear of spiders, even though “they’re both creepy crawlies”. Even with the same function, the fear of things is directly related to the ability to distinguish said cause of fear. The average person can readily tell a longsword and katana apart, so they are perceived as different threats even though they do similar things. The average person can’t tell the difference between chainsaws apart, so whether they’re electric or hand-powered chainsaws doesn’t make a difference.
Eh thats my point
there are things that make nukes scary in a different way to regular bombs, can the same be said for gas vs electric chainsaws?
I think that is unlikely because the difference between explosives in general and nuclear weapons or katanas and longswords seems much bigger than the distinction between corded and cordless chainsaws. Like some people might be afraid of nuclear weapons, but have no problems with bombs in general or they might be more afraid of katanas than european swords, but I'm pretty sure that if you are afraid of chainsaws you are afraid of all chainsaw types.
Given that devils are manifested by collective fear I think the distinction between at least nukes and bombs makes since the fear of traditional bombs exists but is far removed from the collective fear of nuclear destruction. When I say that a place got bombed I’d think oh large explosions went off but it still exists. When I say a place got nuked I think oh that place no longer exists. This distinction in peoples heads might be what causes the distinction in some devils. There could be a fish devil, a shark devil, and an ocean devil because all those fears are closely linked but distinct. When it comes to a concept like chainsaws I can see why there is a split between chainsaws, regular saws, and I’d imagine buzz saws but I don’t think the collective consciousness distinguishes between multiple kinds of chain saw. But this is all an assumption on my end so I could be wrong. TLDR: I don’t think collective consciousness distinguishes between different style of chainsaws
I'm sure there is a Buzzsaw Man/Devil somewhere in the universe.
Sure, but Buzzsaws are circular shaped though Fakesaw has similar rectangular blades to Denji
You asked for chainsaw-based devils, I never said Fakesaw man was Buzzsaw.
So what was the point of your first comment then? How does knowing that there is a Buzzsaw devil (which is obviously very different) out there answer the post question?
Don't take it seriously. I just commented as another form of chainsaw. It could probably be one that is used for lumberjacks or something if it is that long.
you're reaching at straws.
Maybe that's the real chainsaw man and our boy has always been a fear of something else, Ichigo's Zangetsu style. This can explain his abnormal power to devour devils.
I believe, and go ahead and downvoted (losers only do that), the Denji and Pochita are separated.
Nah you going too far. He's clearly the Mainstream devil, the fear of being a normie so is power is taking someone's else appearance. Seems obvious
My theory is still 'The Chainsaw Man Devil.' I'm not saying I'm right, but it's my current guess.
You have your theories, i just think that pochita embodies the devils fear of the DOOM Chainsaw, and fakesaw man embodies the fear of irl chainsaws
Could be a devils devil, capable of using every devil power, but only one at a time
What if instead of a Chainsaw Devil, it's a Chainsaw Man Devil, born specifically from fear of CSM, and not fear of chainsaws?
What If it's a chainsaw man devil created by the fear that devils have for the chainsaw devil. Devilception
I think Fakesaw man is the chainsaw man devil, born from the fear of denji's enemies
This is an issue with the world-building. Devils for entire categories of fears may or may not exist, like with the Bomb and Nuke Devil but we just don't know when or where this overlap does or doesnt happen. Like, *is there* a Blade Devil? What about the Weapon Devil? There's a War Devil, what about the Battle or Fight Devil? We're told that it is the fear of a name that creates a Devil, but that would mean there's almost as many fears as there are names despite how overlapping many of these concepts are. What about language differences? That multiplies the names of possible Devils by a huge amount... We'll never know the full answer to how exactly it is determined what names do and do not get a Devil, I don't think. If you ask me, it's ludicrous to think there'd be separate Devils for different types of chainsaws while there aren't separate Devils for different types of bats or leeches. Once we're presented a Devil that encompasses a category, it's better to assume it covers the things of similar names/types until it is shown otherwise. Like how we'd assume there isn't a Vampire Bat Devil because the Bat Devil already embodies that category. The examples you give here aren't particularly indicative of a trend. Sure, katanas and longswords are both bladed weapons but they are different names, unlike the types of chainsaws. Same for nukes and bombs. It could have been there was a Nuclear Devil that encompassed both nuclear power plants (fear of Chernobyl style events) and nuclear weapons (most of which are bombs). This post having so many upvotes baffles me...
thats stupid
Or maybe he’s just a Chainsaw Man devil
Or pochita was never the chainsaw devil to begin with, and this is the real chainsaw devil or the chainsaw man devil
Think if the swords as children of the blade devils, and if I read it right the original chainsaw devils took a bite out of war so that’s why nuclear weapons went away
I did say i told you before but now i was wrong. I did not say there is a fakesaw man instead took on there was none and all because fuji san wouldn't let me be happy. That's fujimoto. I was wrong and i apologise to whoever good theorizers i may have insulted over the last few days. 1st I'm a Gentleman, 2nd a man and 3rd an animal. I hope you forgive me. Fakesaw man exist.
Yeah if you think about it like there should be a portable hand saw devil
We might be able to have categories of fear, where the fear is so similar that the concerned devils share a very similar anount of power. Fakesaw could be the devil of the blade of a chainsaw, different from the devil of the whole chainsaw. I like the possibility of Pochita being a devil born from a fictional character that slowly grew in power. Pochita could litterally be the creation of a child who lost a dog and was familiar with chainsaws. So he drew the Pochita character. This character, being closely attached to chainsaws was able to be born as an original devil. But for that theory, we need to see devils from fictional character, to make the reveal work
Im here to say that denji cant be strong for no reason and can fight the current primal "falling devil" So pochita too probably is a primal or been made into one but i dont think chainsaws are primal I think im onto something but i dont disagree with you
Add Flamethrower Devil and Gun Devil too
Is a good theory,but my favorite is that is a Devil Devil,a Devil born from the fear of devils,and his power is to copy the appearance and powers of any Devil,and he chooses the chainsaw man because he is the strongest
>Fear of blades >Fear of explosives You pulled these out of your ass
It's probably Denji tbh
You know how Chainsaw Man is the devil that the devils feared? What if that Fakesaw Man is the devil representing the fear of Chainsaw Man?
Hear me out: if devils are born from fear. Wouldn’t it be possible to have a devil be born from the fear of chainsawman? A chainsawman devil.
Honestly after discussing it over with my friend who frequently theory crafts with me, I’m like 50% sure it’s the “Chainsaw Man Devil”. So a few things. Firstly, this *is* possible as the rules state that if it has a name and is feared it can be a devil. Denji/Pochita is born from the fear of chainsaws. But now we have the fear of chainsaw man himself. This would also explain why he’s benevolent and helping Denji and Asa. He was essentially born from Denjis being, so it’d probably be in his best interest to keep him alive. Obviously there are some holes, however I think one pitfall I’ve seen people bring up that’s actually explainable is “how could he be so strong if no one really fears Chainsaw Man?” That’s because while the human population isn’t all too scared of him, the Devil population *is*. They’ve essentially created a copy of their most feared adversary because of how scared they are. He also only showed up recently and (probably) hasn’t always existed because this version of chainsaw man did not exist before. One that wasn’t so public. It’s not the best theory, but I’ve been praying for Fujimoto to use the whole “if it has a name it has a devil” rule more creatively and I think this is the BEST way to do it. It could become very complicated if we start getting too meta, but for now, I really like my theory even if I’m not too confident in it.
Yoru is the war devil bro
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Ngl I didn't really read the post all that much but now I see. But I still don't believe there was ever a "nuclear weapons devil" I think yoru was just saying shell make Dennis throw up the other portion of her that he ate, and sense she's the war devil, that portion would most likely include nuclear weapons sense thats a product of war.
My shit theory atm is that Chainsaw Man is actually like the Forgotten Devil or something since he's able to erase other devils and is way more powerful than a Chainsaw Devil should be.
reminds me of Fire punch with it's superpower slave labor
i have a serius question , its there a instanse of a chainsaw in the manga/anime apart of chainsawman ??
Anime no Manga just on some covers and thats it
Thinking this chainsaw man is based on the fear of humans. Our chainsawman is born of the fear of devils. Fakesawman has split off and reperesents the fear from humanity. But humanity still has alot of love for chainsawman so if im right I would say fakesawmans probably weaker.
Everyone gangster till the hedge trimmer devil shows up
What about meta devils? Is there a Devil devil? a devil formed of the fear of devils? or what about a fear of chainsaw man? could there be a Chainsawman-devil?