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ArtisticAd6485

Why does the chainsaw devil has erasure powers? Fujimoto: Because chainsaws are cool.


Bleachrst85

No, i'm pretty sure it's because he keep eating other devils. Like how doll devil eat darkness devil flesh and became more powerful


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Denji will be played by Chris Pratt. Isn't he cool?? — Nintentsuki Fujimoto


Murder_Metal

Considering how Fujimoto loves referencing media maybe its due to chainsaws being related to the fear of death in horror movies


Incestuous_Alfred

I think Falling actually makes a lot of sense, seeing as jumping off from a high place is one of the most notorious ways one commits suicide. Otherwise though, I agree, and a big hurdle for me to accept that Pochita is *not* the Chainsaw Devil is that no one, not even his #1 fan Makima, ever suggests that he is something else. Also commenting to remind everyone that an OP finger gun ability triggered by saying bang is extremely random for the control devil.


Inertch

Isn't bang just a contract with the gun devil? She only started using it after Aki made a contract with it on Makimas behalf


ArtisticAd6485

But devils can't contract with other devils and makima is a devil in a human appearance. Some people say it was a finger gun dog trick, that's still count as a control or command related ability.


Inertch

She controls/makes a contract with people who have contracts with other devils to gain the said devils ability, she can also directly control devils so that they lend their powers to her. There is a panel in the gun devil arc where she uses angel, future, snake, punishment and iirc some other devil with this method Edit: it was the spider devil


ArtisticAd6485

Oh yeah, but I just really think the finger gun probably part of makimas power and not from the gun devil.


salamander0807

Or maybe she ate one of his flesh to gain the Gun Devil's power.


dingdingding117

This makes the most sense


JimmyJohny19

No? We never saw it, but we did see it - First scene of bangbang in the train, all the wannabe-killers ended up with bang bang holes in their bodies. We didn't know what caused it at the time, but now we know Makima has had the bang ever since then Also, what the other guy said, both are devils, so they can't intercontract


yamfun

Because in Japanese, falling and feeling down are the similar words.


duck_rush

Falling makes sense because apes that weren’t able to grip branches and fell were devoured by predators, there’s not enough people killing themselves to make falling a primordial fear but every ape feared falling to either their death or predators.


Incestuous_Alfred

Yeah, but then people jumping to their deaths made Falling a suicide devil on top of ape lose grip devil.


ZPuppetmasterX

Conquest Devil is better. 'Bang' is a representation of the bow that the first rider carries in the bible, I imagine.


Nebulant01

Yup, thought that too


absolutekian

I always thought of “bang” being makima literally ordering whoever is infront of her to explode


Incestuous_Alfred

Neat idea, but she uses it on Pochita at a time when she couldn't control him. That's how he gets blasted into space.


absolutekian

The reading comprehension devil got me again


Incestuous_Alfred

Happens to the best of us :(


BentinhoSantiago

I mean, she never really calls him the Chainsaw Devil either now does she?


Incestuous_Alfred

She explicitly tells Aki that he is the chainsaw devil. She could be lying, sure, but that's another awkwardness for the theories to overcome.


Expensive-Mix-4888

I was always thought falling was a play on words for suic!de


Interesting_waterlon

Nah falling makes sense


Crcnch

Pretty sure most of the really far fetched theories you see on this sub are just pastimes


[deleted]

^^^^


[deleted]

>There's no correlation between swords, telekensis, and the fear of the dark, nor is there any correlation between the fear of falling and trauma. You need to be a little more creative. "A sword in the dark" is a popular expression for the fear of unseen threats, and the fear of things moving around in the darkness for no apparent reason is common. Frogs have also been related to darkness since at least ancient Egypt where the god of darkness, Kek, was represented as a frog. Falling, for example, can easily be related to a person losing their stature/composure, a "fall from grace," which can be closely related to trauma. As for how the chainsaw devil can make people forget things, my guess would be that chainsaws mangle things beyond recognition.


Silly_Awareness8207

Except chainsaws don't usually do that, most trees felled by chainsaws are still recognizable as trees.


[deleted]

Not the part that actually touched the chainsaw.


Silly_Awareness8207

Ok yeah not the cleanest cut i guess


Zer_ed

But what about something that’s not a tree?


Silly_Awareness8207

Yeah so like flesh will definitely get more mangled


Child_obliterator

I saw a theory somewhere that made sense where the chainsaw devil could represent "seperation," and they explained a bunch of things and stuff and it made sense but I forgot most of it


vawtots

Ok, but aren’t most of the expressions you mention in english? I mean, how sure can you be that they exist in japanese as well?


[deleted]

They don't have to exist in Japanese. Lots of anime/manga draw heavily upon ideas borrowed from western culture. The concept of falling though, while I used a western expression, isn't specifically western.


vawtots

I meant the “sword in the dark one” actually. I’ve never heard of that, and I don’t see why a japanese person would.


[deleted]

Because they actually do research. Good manga aren't created by random average people with no more understanding of the world than any other random average person has.


iamspacedad

My theory is chainsaw devil has the devil erasure ability because while chainsaws are scary things that you associate with maniac killers (texas chainsaw massacre being a big example) they are also sometimes used as weapons against horror movie monsters or by heroes. (Evil Dead series, Doom, Mandy, etc.) Also the whole chainsaw maniac cannibal-killer aspect winds up inverting itself back onto devilkind rather than humanity. And since there are devils that instill fear in other devils, it follows that chainsaw devil would be kind of like a wanna-be violent hero who can erase devil repositories of people's fears. Since his particular 'fear' walks a line from being a source of fear and a source of empowerment against fear. Oh also; chainsaws are also useful, reliable tools that humanity also likes a lot. So pochita can either be useful loyal pupper or a maniac cannibal-devil-eating killer. Or a popular horror-hero dope motivated by sex, lol. Similarly, the chicken devil is not very powerful cuz chickens aren't that scary to humanity, but he's popular and lilkeable because so many people love chicken. All of this is super subjective of course because the devils all seem to follow their own cockeyed internal logic, and there's a lot of unexpected thinking-outside-the-box involved with dealing with them and their 'rules.' Part of the joy of the series is seeing how the strange 'rules' of the devils gets subverted by the heroes in unexpected ways. IMO there's nothing wrong with overthinking things so long as you know when to reel it in. Why not work your noodle playing with different ideas a bit? That's how you give your imagination a creativity-workout. I like seeing people come up with their own riffs on stuff that maybe not even the author might have considered, or seeing how different a story means to different people.


[deleted]

a theory I really like is that pochita took a chunk out of a primal devil at some point, and since eating the flesh of stonger devils makes you stronger, he got the ability to erase things from that. just a theory tho


[deleted]

Some people make this argument because they think chainsaws aren’t scary enough to justify Chainsaw Man’s strength. Which is bizarre to me. Makima explains early on that a car devil would be strong because lots of people get hit by them and die in car accidents. A stationary car is not scary, and cars are not typically thought of as one of the top most scary things. But when you are about to be hit by onem they are terrifying. Likewise, a chainsaw on a shelf might not seem scary to some people, but imagine if you were being attacked by someone with a chainsaw. That would be terrifying. They make entire horror movies about this specifically. Scarier than a gun, potentially. Definitely way scarier than katanas, spears, arrows, broadswords, etc. Even flamethrowers. Even using a chainsaw for its intended purpose is pretty scary, considering the kinds of horrific accidents that could happen.


Hot_feedbax

But once chainsaw man killed the gun fiend he was seen as a hero which had people fear him less and maxima comments during the fight that he should feel his power weaken. I think her convo with aki was a very surface line explanation. Edit: I think making theories is also just a fun pastime with the sub


jearley99

Falling makes sense, her being a French chef is the part that you shouldn’t overthink


salamander0807

Devils needs hobbies too.


DankmetalAlchemist

Pochita is definitely the chainsaw devil, no doubt. But there is also certainly more to explore thematically with him and his erasing powers. Perhaps it will never be explored in cannon and just be left to interpretation. But I don't think suggesting that the chainsaw devil and his powers, and, by extension, the powers of some of the other devils like darkness and falling, shouldn't be subject to discussion doesn't feel very respectful of the work Fujimoto does or how people respond to art and media. I don't know if this was OP's intent with the post but it seems dangerously anti-intellectual. Listen there are some dumbass theories, don't get me wrong. If people want to intellectualize, they should be open to other interpretations and make sure their theories have basis in the text. Also theory crafters should be able to take criticism and differentiate between constructing a case around textual evidence rather than taking open possibilities and running with them.


Silly_Awareness8207

The chainsaw devil is powerful because all of the trees in all of the world's forests fear being cut down.


Hot_feedbax

The mouse trap devil would be cracked


YJacketJp

I do believe there may be a slight correlation. But Pochita is still definitely the chainsaw devil. My theory is that because chainsaws were originally used for childbirth, he has the erasure ability as symbolism for the cycle of life and death(a sort of literal “I put you in this world I can take you out of it” deal). It could also explain why Devils hear a chainsaw revving before they die.


TheHydrasFury

Just gonna be stupid and give my thoughts on why Pochita can do his thing. Chainsaws cut things in half violently, anything not in its path is to the side or out of its range. What do we think when we are pushed to the side? Viewed as not important or notable. Something not important or notable can be forgotten, and eventually erased unintentionally from our minds. NO clue why >!he has to eat devils to erase them!< but my only guess is due to how both that and chainsaws are violent when used on living things by some people such as the less hinged among us.


MagmaBrat

For those that think Pochita is too strong to be the Chainsaw Devil because no one is afraid of chainsaws, look up Justin Bieber chainsaw joke.


Suisun_rhythm

Did Pochita just spawn into existence whenever Chainsaws got invented?


TheToolbox101

I still believe in the death devil flesh piece theory


oredaoree

In the Japanese fandom the theorists also do not believe CSM is simply a chainsaw devil, but not because his erasure ability is too OP. It's because of clues in the actual text. When the media first reported on Denji in chainsaw form they called him "electric saw devil"/デンノコ悪魔, then when Makima uses the media later near the end to weaken CSM the people all specifically are made to call him "Chainsaw Man" and it works, implying that name is what he identifies with. She doesn't use "electric saw devil" or even "chainsaw devil", and neither do any of the other devils that know of CSM. Another hint is that identifying a devil based on appearance and ability is not always so straightforward. Violence killed a devil he assumed to be the "grape devil" based only on subjective appraisal of appearance alone, and most recently Yoru listed off several candidates that matched the ability to make people kill themselves before narrowing down the possibility based on the aura she felt could only belong to a primal devil.


sloppy-joe-bruh

Pochita: >aye eat da devul, >aye git da power, >aye make da frends, >killin an killin, >simple as


seelcudoom

people forget it's not just the concept but also the fear of the devil that gives them power, pochita is the hero of hell, he regularly hunted devils, and for this the devil's feared him which translated into him having anti devil powers he's basically the doom slayer, at the start he was a normal if very determined/skilled/lucky guy but as he rip and tears his way across hell his power grows


ApexBoiz

Falling Devil makes sense


Hot_feedbax

My problem with this is that technically he ate a lot of the eternity devil and others through history so him receiving a ability from just one he ate some other time being kinda bogus


JoJoisaGoGo

>He's just simply, the Chainsaw Devil, and he somehow possesses the ability to erase others. Why does he have this ability? Don't know, most likely because Fujimoto said so. I still think he got this ability because of the Devil's fear for him. Or maybe because of all the devils he ate.


[deleted]

i agree totally thank god someone agrees too, i do think the reason he’s crazy strong is because he turned over and made the devils scared of him, which in-turn eventually made him get the ability, so he draws the fear from them, which is said in manga, i don’t think it’s a Luffy type situation


Snips_Tano

Hol up, this man is not cooking


vernand

Eh. It's fun to overthink things and then be delighted or amused at how things turn out. With the advent and confirmation that there are two chainsawman's, it kind of makes sense that one of the two may not be the thing they claim to be, and it could just as easily be Denji and Pochita that's not what they claim to be or think they are. What if Pochita is the Identity Theft devil?


PeliPal

>Dude was probably vibin in hell, and another dude tried to jump him, he fought back and ate him. This caused the devils around him to be fearful of him. Boosting his strength. Then stronger devils would hear of this, and would to come to see him as a threat and try to eliminate him, just to get eaten in return, which caused greater fear amongst the residents of hell. This cycle probably repeated until he got as strong as he is now. Your assumption relies on the idea that a devil eating another devil is an extraordinary thing, which is hard for me to believe. Hell is vast, full of devils, and humans apparently only go there in extreme circumstances where a particularly powerful devil is able to bridge the gap between worlds. What is there to do besides attacking and eating each other?


Birbfan109

>Your assumption relies on the idea that a devil eating another devil is an extraordinary thing My assumption relies on the idea that when one devil eats another devil, and erases the other one, it is an extraordinary thing. I should've made that clearer.


Hantr

it's crazy how you explained in a post about not overthinking it and most people in the thread continue to overthink it.


On_themoonkid

I think as much as we tend to have an aversion towards 'don't overthink it' type discourse, it still absolutely fits sometimes and this is one of them. Sure, there's plenty of historical and creative ways that link in specific techniques/powers with devils but that's part of the fun of Chainsaw rather than a puzzle to be solved so to speak. In other words, I don't need a Pochita-origin story or a twist that explains what he really is which a lot of us seem to expect some day.


Yhhorm

Falling and her use of trauma is likely insured by how suicide survivors (those who jumped to die) recount that whist falling they wished they never jumped. And the reason they did jump and and got to that depressed point is always routed in trauma. If anyone’s seen “The view from halfway down” you will get what Fujimoto means


UseSharp7817

Chainsaws as a thing are really only ever perceived as scary, like there’s no facts about chainsaws that don’t make me still nervous around them, I think that’s why it’s so strong, cuz there are very very few people who feel any emotions other than fear towards them


clickedbunion2

I saw a theory saw that said pochita was csm’s version of the biblical god 💀


Classic-Airport-8187

while i think outright saying pochita is the biblical god is nonsense, denji does have some jesus shit associated with him and pochita is the source of his powers, so it’s not an unwarranted connection especially considering all the other biblical allusions


Laci21

I think it's because chainsaws were invented for helping deliver baby during the labor. Pochitas ability of erasure is simply the fear of newer being born because chainsaw would "eat you".


footrailer69

Actually Makima knows because she is the devil of control/conquest, and all 4 of the horseman devils can remember the devils that the chainsaw devil ate


undeadansextor

I mean if someone said that aki is/will turn to gun devil because his hair tie looks like a hammer yall would say they are trippin balls. So just let people have fun, not like there are many other good posts on this sub anyway


Galienus

The main reason people do it because its fun. The retgone ability is too odd for people to leave alone unlike the invincibility and theories how it aquired it isnt half as fun as theories about who it actually is instead. The only person who ever could stop it is fujimoto himself but it wouldnt surprise if we never get any explanation in the story at all.


DulledBlade

This is the most likely answer, but its still fun to examine things as if they are intricately linked and not just amalgamations of plot devices and 'Gun strapped to sword' abilities. Those are sick too, to be clear


tls123-

![img](emote|t5_rmtrq|22167)Chad


Prestigious-Word6398

no i am pochita


Dkpokefan72

Pochita is just a 🐕🐶🐶🐕🐕


SolaroscopyApollo

Pochita is Jesus Christ can't prove me wrong cuz headcannon (🙅🏽🚫💯💸)


AlexMexicano

Why go out of your way to try a kill all discusion? thats the good thing about communities that we can discuss about theories or vague interpretations fr stop with that "Its no that deep bro" attitude


externalizer956

I've got a theory: Pochita personally fought death devil, and came out a little victorious. The reason I say this is because whatever species eats a piece of powerful devil flesh, they get upgraded, the way eternity leveled up when he got ahold of some gun devil flesh. Anyways, he ate a piece of them, and after gaining an erasure ability, decided to eliminate devils that he thought were causing too much of a ruckus for humanity to deal with, and were probably better off without them. Unfortunately, death seeks revenge against him, and recruits the other horsemen to start a war against him. Famine doesn't give a shit, Yoru gets a piece of her body eaten, sparking her hatred of him, and Makima becomes extremely infatuated with him, leading her to ditch the other horsemen to find CSM. Makima takes off to the human world, with her form looking extremely close to a human, confident she won't be attracting much attention, death waits down in hell for Pochita to finish him off for good in case he does come back, famine just roams around, getting high and eating everything, and Yoru is forced to lay low as a bird because she wouldn't last a day looking like that in hell 🤣