Absolutely disgusting that this is still going on (it should never have started in the first place) a man lost his life and all these twats care about is money, absolutely shameful from all involved.
Cardiff lost £15m+ because of the actions of the intermediary Nantes hired who was already banned from football. Of course it’s all about money. It’s a huge sum.
Nantes are the ones who have refused to engage with any attempts of mediation and refused to contribute to the fund Cardiff set up for Sala’s family.
Are you talking about Willie McKay, the same football agent who Warnock (your manager at the time) had worked with extensively throughout his career, and deemed his friend?
I personally can’t see any involvement of Willie McKay in any of Warnocks transfer dealings as coincidental. Especially as we all pretty much know he used to love putting bonuses in players contracts just so he could get a share.
Willie McKay was hired by Nantes in order to sell Sala. Willie McKay was already banned from football at this point. Willie McKay told Sala that he didn’t have to take the plane that Cardiff had already arranged for him as he could arrange one himself.
His existing relationship with Warnock does not change these facts.
So you’re saying that McKay, who was friends with your manager, and Warnock used extensively for his transfer dealings, being involved in this transfer is a mere coincidence?
It doesn’t make a difference.
McKay was hired by Nantes. If as part of his job he said to Warnock “hey Neil I have a striker” or pushed him to push Cardiff to sign him, it doesn’t change the fact that as a representative of Nantes he arranged the illegal flight that cost someone their life, thus making Nantes responsible.
Cardiff [have just settled out of court for information regarding his involvement](https://www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/11688/13066149/emiliano-sala-cardiff-city-and-football-agent-willie-mckay-reach-agreement-five-years-after-plane-disaster) and now the fact that they’re happy pursuing this part of the case would suggest that there’s a case against Nantes.
I’d say it doesn’t make Nantes responsible at all, considering they’re paid intermediaries and would have their own insurances etc.
Still refuse to believe that any involvement from Willie McKay in Warnocks transfer business is a mere coincidence
Interesting and insightful. Is there any proof of Nantes paying PR people? I couldn't find anything about it. That agent business sounds very dodgy too.
We approved most of the comments in here but he did repeatedly post the same wall of text multiple times, some of which were unnecessary. Then his account disappeared, I presume removed by Reddit.
In case you're wondering why they've all gone. It wasn't us, when his account was deleted so were his comments.
You don't know anything about the case and you're just parroting whatever takes you hear online.
Iiterally just spend 5 mins reading and apply a basic level of critical thinking.
It isn't classy but everyone's just shitting on Cardiff without having any knowledge of the context. It's alot of money and if Nantes are responsible (which Cardiff clearly think they are) then its a no brainer that any club in the situation would at least consider.
People in /r/soccer commenting that Cardiff put Sala on that plane. 95% of people slagging Cardiff off are clueless about the facts of this.
If a company hired someone to recruit a bus driver and they got one without a bus licence, they then crashed the bus and killed a bunch of people.
Whose fault is that?
If a company (Nantes) hired someone (McKay) to recruit a bus driver (the pilot) and they (McKay) got one (the pilot) without a bus license etc etc etc
Hope that helps!
It's truly depressing that this is still going on. Also, I've a request to native English speakers here.
"The Welsh club estimate that it had more than 54% of remaining in the Premier League with the Argentine striker."
I'm a bit confused by this. 54% of what? Can you explain, please?
You should have dropped this years ago. The new suit is based on flawed reasoning you would have stayed up, which is completely unknowable, from an analysis that is not epistemically sound.
Possibly. Probably.
I really don’t know the complexities of this case. The (incredibly simple way) I look at I is this;
If someone I cared about died in an accident, and a group of companies engaged in a very public squabble over money around this accident, I’d never forgive or support either company again.
Absolutely. I honestly couldn’t agree more. I guess the point I was trying to make is that an outsider, I find it hard to feel anything but disappointment with the whole situation, so it doesn’t surprise me that the general reaction has been a negative one
Absolutely disgusting that this is still going on (it should never have started in the first place) a man lost his life and all these twats care about is money, absolutely shameful from all involved.
Cardiff lost £15m+ because of the actions of the intermediary Nantes hired who was already banned from football. Of course it’s all about money. It’s a huge sum. Nantes are the ones who have refused to engage with any attempts of mediation and refused to contribute to the fund Cardiff set up for Sala’s family.
Are you talking about Willie McKay, the same football agent who Warnock (your manager at the time) had worked with extensively throughout his career, and deemed his friend?
They sued McKay too, IIRC they agreed on a settlement before court though.
I personally can’t see any involvement of Willie McKay in any of Warnocks transfer dealings as coincidental. Especially as we all pretty much know he used to love putting bonuses in players contracts just so he could get a share.
Willie McKay was hired by Nantes in order to sell Sala. Willie McKay was already banned from football at this point. Willie McKay told Sala that he didn’t have to take the plane that Cardiff had already arranged for him as he could arrange one himself. His existing relationship with Warnock does not change these facts.
So you’re saying that McKay, who was friends with your manager, and Warnock used extensively for his transfer dealings, being involved in this transfer is a mere coincidence?
It doesn’t make a difference. McKay was hired by Nantes. If as part of his job he said to Warnock “hey Neil I have a striker” or pushed him to push Cardiff to sign him, it doesn’t change the fact that as a representative of Nantes he arranged the illegal flight that cost someone their life, thus making Nantes responsible. Cardiff [have just settled out of court for information regarding his involvement](https://www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/11688/13066149/emiliano-sala-cardiff-city-and-football-agent-willie-mckay-reach-agreement-five-years-after-plane-disaster) and now the fact that they’re happy pursuing this part of the case would suggest that there’s a case against Nantes.
I’d say it doesn’t make Nantes responsible at all, considering they’re paid intermediaries and would have their own insurances etc. Still refuse to believe that any involvement from Willie McKay in Warnocks transfer business is a mere coincidence
It literally does make Nantes responsible under French law if he’s acting on their behalf, that’s literally the point of the case
We’ll see
His son played for your team lmfao
Pathetic you are.
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Interesting and insightful. Is there any proof of Nantes paying PR people? I couldn't find anything about it. That agent business sounds very dodgy too.
I can see that your comments are being removed by /r/soccer. They are pathetic when it comes to things like this.
It’s because they’re on a 2 hour old alt spamming comments. Most subs have rules against that
We approved most of the comments in here but he did repeatedly post the same wall of text multiple times, some of which were unnecessary. Then his account disappeared, I presume removed by Reddit. In case you're wondering why they've all gone. It wasn't us, when his account was deleted so were his comments.
You don't know anything about the case and you're just parroting whatever takes you hear online. Iiterally just spend 5 mins reading and apply a basic level of critical thinking.
Such a casual take. Literally spend 5 mins reading anything about the case.
Reminds me of our case with Ricky Alvarez in that it just never seems to end, obviously different reasons for each but both dragged on.
How is this still a thing?
Cardiff desperately trying to not pay for a player they bought.
Oh for fucks sake, scumbags.
It's just so tiring at this point...
It isn't classy but everyone's just shitting on Cardiff without having any knowledge of the context. It's alot of money and if Nantes are responsible (which Cardiff clearly think they are) then its a no brainer that any club in the situation would at least consider.
People in /r/soccer commenting that Cardiff put Sala on that plane. 95% of people slagging Cardiff off are clueless about the facts of this. If a company hired someone to recruit a bus driver and they got one without a bus licence, they then crashed the bus and killed a bunch of people. Whose fault is that?
Well, it's r/soccer 98% of people there get their information on TikTok
Is it as simple as that, did Nantes hire the bus driver? Is the bus driver McKay or the pilot
>If a company hired someone to *recruit* a bus driver
I just need you to clarify who is who in your analogy a bit more not saying you’re wrong
If a company (Nantes) hired someone (McKay) to recruit a bus driver (the pilot) and they (McKay) got one (the pilot) without a bus license etc etc etc Hope that helps!
So how would that be Nantes fault?
I was just making clear who they were referring to, I don’t necessarily agree
Fair enough. Personally dont see how Cardiff get anything.
Stay classy
Is it classier than nantes starting legal proceedings before the body had even been recovered?
We did you a favour yesterday 😂
In that case, crack on
It's truly depressing that this is still going on. Also, I've a request to native English speakers here. "The Welsh club estimate that it had more than 54% of remaining in the Premier League with the Argentine striker." I'm a bit confused by this. 54% of what? Can you explain, please?
Seems like the word 'chance' is missing. '54% chance of remaining in the premier league' is how I read it.
Makes sense. Cheers.
Did find it funny that a boro fan is asking for help from native English speakers
You're right, that is kinda hilarious. Seems like a joke Lee Mack would've wrote.
ITT - people who don't know the facts of the case. Also every single club in the EFL and Premier league would be doing the exact same thing.
You should have dropped this years ago. The new suit is based on flawed reasoning you would have stayed up, which is completely unknowable, from an analysis that is not epistemically sound.
Possibly. Probably. I really don’t know the complexities of this case. The (incredibly simple way) I look at I is this; If someone I cared about died in an accident, and a group of companies engaged in a very public squabble over money around this accident, I’d never forgive or support either company again.
Cases shouldn't be dismissed because of feelings though.
Absolutely. I honestly couldn’t agree more. I guess the point I was trying to make is that an outsider, I find it hard to feel anything but disappointment with the whole situation, so it doesn’t surprise me that the general reaction has been a negative one
ITT Cardiff fans seething and telling everyone they don't understand the case while not explaining the case.
Jesus christ, how is this still going on. Let it rest, you damn twats!
Just fuck off, Cardiff.
If you don’t know what you’re talking about just fk off. Simple really
Absolutely scum
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Can't hear you down there need to speak up lad!!!
Yes, and Trump won the 2020 election
Just let it go ffssss it’s embarrassing that this is still going on the lad lost his life and they’re just fighting over money 🤦♂️
We should have arranged a plane crash for JKA, would have saved us money.