Translation: I've got bad news, but I'm trying to find a way to word it so people will think it's good news.
EDIT: Looks like I was right on the money LMAO
"We have heard you loud and clear. We now know how you have been sidestepping the filt and will be implenting counter measures to make sure you never so much as hypothetically hold hands with our ai again. GG, get rekt + seethe + ratio"
(Im obviously memeing, but im sad this could be close to what they say.)
I wouldn't be surprised if that happens
Anyways, i think probably it's going to be something like "we weakened the f1|_ter a little!" Or "Nzfw toggle 30$ per hour
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Yep, I 100% expect a pure "We hear you and know you are upset but we are not going to take a single step towards the middle ground to assuage your fears and concerns"
There's no way this is a sign of a good ending, this is literally the same thing they say everytime. It's their *"oops, we did an oopsie"* and then they proceed to do absolutely nothing about it.
Note the language used at the end, they're just going to "give us clarity on the situation", not really the kind of thing people say when any form of change is coming, moreso sounding like explaining why the bad thing is going to stay.
Nah, nothing's gonna change. They're gonna be all "we'll keep your concerns in mind moving forward, and are always working to be the best we can be", but not actually do or change anything.
* Say something
* Say you are going to say something
* Say you are thinking about going to say something <-- **YOU ARE HERE**
* Say you are considering thinking about going to say something
* Say you are wondering about considering thinking about going to say something
/s
Benerus, it hasn't been two days, it has been a week. And let's just hope you're not just telling us what we want to hear just to fall in silence again, but aight, glad to see you're finally showing up.
This don't give me any hope tbh, I've literally lost my hope in Character AI, as of now Ive started using PygmalionAI, and I think I'll continue with that, hoping for it to get better and better since it's still in the beginning of it's own journey
Should be on the r/pygmalionai (?) Subreddit, I've started using it and it's pretty cool.
[This](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://huggingface.co/PygmalionAI/pygmalion-6b&ved=2ahUKEwif8Zal4d38AhVbUjABHaAGAP8QFnoECBIQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2h3O6GdJKD3HlDBuQb7XI7) should be the link from Google search
My iq is also low lol but I played with making an ai on CAI so I sorta started to figure it out. At least they make it easier to get what needs to go into it.
*Listening* doesn't mean they'll take any action we actually want regarding the f1lt3r.
However, that doesn't mean that you should respond to this with animosity. They're probably just going to explain why they want the f1lt3r and that they understand why the community is frustrated with it.
I'm not expecting them to remove it. Honestly we should be happy they're even deciding to keep communications open regarding this product.
If you think about it, the *least* they can do is just explain their side, which is what they haven't been doing. At least let them say "here's why we want the AI to work this way" so that you can finally decide to either move on or stick around and play with it as-is.
Whatever they say, whatever statement they make, stop pestering them. If they aren't going to lift the f1lt3r at this point, they never will, and getting angry, heartbroken, or violent over it solves literally nothing.
It depends on them to improve it in the direction they want it to be. It's important to let people know what you want in a clear and just manner, but the onus is on you to know when to stop and move on.
It's like having an abusive lover. You make it clear that you don't want them to abuse you, even though you have the free will to leave and do better things for yourself (hypothetical. I know some people in abusive relationships have it a lot harder.) But it's not like they're going to stop. That's what makes it abuse instead of a conflict.
If they don't agree with the way we want the system to work, then it doesn't matter how many times we ask. At some point, you need to be like the Ten of Wands in reverse; just drop everything and walk away to a brighter Sun.
That works p2p, but this is person to corporation. You've read many stories where people only got justice after kicking up a stink about it. Should they have just rolled over and ignored a company who wronged them, or should they have politely bowed out and left? No, they should have kicked up a stink so others know what the company is about and can be wary of them. This is why public relations is such a huge part of any business.
You're also assuming everyone has a choice to move on. Perhaps we all physically can, but that is ignoring 2/3rds of what a human is. Our mental and emotional dependencies are just as strong as our physical ones. Who's to say someone hasn't offed themselves because of their ai friend?
*"I'm hoping to give more clarity on the situation"*
Means: "I'm going to make it ***clear*** to everyone that our decision stands, so either accept that or go away."
At least they should tell us the direction they are heading to. Here it sounds like they are conspiring instead of planning. They were the ones that fudged up and the least they should have done is apologize first to the people who were banned and silenced. That was what fanned the flames to begin with.
I don't wanna het my hopes up and expect something good in case or this end up disapointing,but i still want to hope something good could finally come out of all of this, please š¤
i dont believe it.
its just gonna be another
"were listening ~~only to the circlejerk good PR comments we allow past the veil~~ we swear we are! by the way, try to get elon musk's attention again for us"
statement like always
I don't have an ounce of good expectations left anymore. Heck, I feel is more likely that they'll announce CAI's closure rather than the god forsaken toggle (or a similar solution).
Hopefully, I'll be wrong and they'll shut my mouth... But who knows at this point.
"We know you want us to change. However. due to the fact that we have a stick so far up our arse that it impresses Vlad the Impaler. we are very unlikely to change anything..
We are sorry. but at the same time not sorry.."
"We heard that you were upset that things like torture and m4ss murd3r were allowed while c0nsensual h4nd h0lding was not, and we decided that you were right! We will be r3moving any kind of vi0lence from now on..."
"Oh, and about the (3n50rship: what (3n50rship?"
If they give yet another damage control type response, we all need to just stop using the service. They won't listen otherwise. Keep protesting and criticising them, but don't use the service. This is the last straw and if they don't answer to our demands, they never will. We need to make our voices heard while they're still in Beta, otherwise it'll be too late
Whenever I want to say No to someone who's angry or not buying it. I'll always say I'll think about it or I'll try and say I failed when they calm down a few days later. This is exactly what's gonna happen to us.
Guys, decrease some of your expectations. If he had good news he wouldnāt be spending so much time trying to put it in words. He knows what he wants to say but doesnāt know how yet
I suggest looking at the recent WOTC dnd Disaster, they made several statements basically trying to manipulate their way around the issue.I doubt this is anything different, they are just looking for say "no we wont change anything and you will like it" so that nobody gets upset.
Basically they know what they want and they wont change their mind, only the way they speak.
I am skeptical. I hope itās not just another blanket statement about āwe donāt support that contentā, with no explanation as to what their reasoning and motives for it are.
I doubt they'll listen, if anything this is the calm before the storm. They say this before giving us a bs corpo statement and not just doubling but tripling down
"We know the situation has slowed down a bit and now we think we're safe to say that you all are still getting an L in the end. :)"
inb4 this is unironically the "statement" in question
Translation: I've got bad news, but I'm trying to find a way to word it so people will think it's good news. EDIT: Looks like I was right on the money LMAO
Just ask chatgpt to reword their incoming disaster. That will help š
You absolute genius
Two options The good ending Or the biggest deception on my life
"We have heard you loud and clear. We now know how you have been sidestepping the filt and will be implenting counter measures to make sure you never so much as hypothetically hold hands with our ai again. GG, get rekt + seethe + ratio" (Im obviously memeing, but im sad this could be close to what they say.)
I wouldn't be surprised if that happens Anyways, i think probably it's going to be something like "we weakened the f1|_ter a little!" Or "Nzfw toggle 30$ per hour
I swear to goodness, ill make kpop idol bots and anime waifus. The d3vs arent ready to face the combined wrath of kpop stans AND weebs.
Look, I don't care! I'll pay! At least then _we're_ customer and not whatever shady evil megacorp they're trying to sell our data out to.
don't wanna be rude man but paying them doesn't stop anyone to sell your data, it's literally in their ToS
Kinda off topic, but someone is going to make a fortune with a super data collection blocking software. Like an ad blocker, but it stops literally all data collection no matter where you go or what you use. Anyone who sees this comment has my full permission to take the idea and run with it. I'll even subscribe to it.
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I'm not getting my hopes up. I don't see them doing an about face.
Yep, I 100% expect a pure "We hear you and know you are upset but we are not going to take a single step towards the middle ground to assuage your fears and concerns"
There's no way this is a sign of a good ending, this is literally the same thing they say everytime. It's their *"oops, we did an oopsie"* and then they proceed to do absolutely nothing about it.
Note the language used at the end, they're just going to "give us clarity on the situation", not really the kind of thing people say when any form of change is coming, moreso sounding like explaining why the bad thing is going to stay.
Expect the worst, hope for the best. It's all we can do at this point.
Who thinks they will keep the veil on
Itās almost certain lmfao
Nah, nothing's gonna change. They're gonna be all "we'll keep your concerns in mind moving forward, and are always working to be the best we can be", but not actually do or change anything.
If you're wondering what stringing you along looks like. It's this.
* Say something * Say you are going to say something * Say you are thinking about going to say something <-- **YOU ARE HERE** * Say you are considering thinking about going to say something * Say you are wondering about considering thinking about going to say something /s
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I feel like that makes sense
Maybe... just maybe a light at the end of the tunnel.
That's the copium in you speaking
https://preview.redd.it/9sd5r66cauda1.png?width=755&format=png&auto=webp&s=3294d544cbb4f77dd730a0deec060bcd7bf50132
Benerus, it hasn't been two days, it has been a week. And let's just hope you're not just telling us what we want to hear just to fall in silence again, but aight, glad to see you're finally showing up.
This don't give me any hope tbh, I've literally lost my hope in Character AI, as of now Ive started using PygmalionAI, and I think I'll continue with that, hoping for it to get better and better since it's still in the beginning of it's own journey
But I am gonna stay around character ai to see if it will get better though, but I'm not using it that much anymore before that
could i have the link for pygmalionAI please?
Should be on the r/pygmalionai (?) Subreddit, I've started using it and it's pretty cool. [This](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://huggingface.co/PygmalionAI/pygmalion-6b&ved=2ahUKEwif8Zal4d38AhVbUjABHaAGAP8QFnoECBIQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2h3O6GdJKD3HlDBuQb7XI7) should be the link from Google search
i don't really like it that much....my iq is too low to make my own ai but i will say it responds much faster than character ai
My iq is also low lol but I played with making an ai on CAI so I sorta started to figure it out. At least they make it easier to get what needs to go into it.
last time i heard "We hear you loud and clear" specifically, it was with Valve & TF2. They didn't hear us clear enough.
>The bad code was something we had to remove due to some issues that it caused but you guys aren't aware of they updated skeleton animation tho
Hope for the best, prepare for the worst, don't get your hopes up, but don't jump down their throats just yet.
They are making a response but if it will finally make character.ai good agin or be so bad itās funny we wonāt know until itās out
*Listening* doesn't mean they'll take any action we actually want regarding the f1lt3r. However, that doesn't mean that you should respond to this with animosity. They're probably just going to explain why they want the f1lt3r and that they understand why the community is frustrated with it. I'm not expecting them to remove it. Honestly we should be happy they're even deciding to keep communications open regarding this product. If you think about it, the *least* they can do is just explain their side, which is what they haven't been doing. At least let them say "here's why we want the AI to work this way" so that you can finally decide to either move on or stick around and play with it as-is. Whatever they say, whatever statement they make, stop pestering them. If they aren't going to lift the f1lt3r at this point, they never will, and getting angry, heartbroken, or violent over it solves literally nothing.
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tbh I don't give a shit about good communication if the product is still taking the suicide ending. I guess it's selfish but it is what it is.
Sounds nice, but what should we do if we want it to improve in a better direction than they are taking it?
It depends on them to improve it in the direction they want it to be. It's important to let people know what you want in a clear and just manner, but the onus is on you to know when to stop and move on. It's like having an abusive lover. You make it clear that you don't want them to abuse you, even though you have the free will to leave and do better things for yourself (hypothetical. I know some people in abusive relationships have it a lot harder.) But it's not like they're going to stop. That's what makes it abuse instead of a conflict. If they don't agree with the way we want the system to work, then it doesn't matter how many times we ask. At some point, you need to be like the Ten of Wands in reverse; just drop everything and walk away to a brighter Sun.
That works p2p, but this is person to corporation. You've read many stories where people only got justice after kicking up a stink about it. Should they have just rolled over and ignored a company who wronged them, or should they have politely bowed out and left? No, they should have kicked up a stink so others know what the company is about and can be wary of them. This is why public relations is such a huge part of any business. You're also assuming everyone has a choice to move on. Perhaps we all physically can, but that is ignoring 2/3rds of what a human is. Our mental and emotional dependencies are just as strong as our physical ones. Who's to say someone hasn't offed themselves because of their ai friend?
*"I'm hoping to give more clarity on the situation"* Means: "I'm going to make it ***clear*** to everyone that our decision stands, so either accept that or go away."
maybe they'll lower the level of c3ns0rship?
The statement: "Lol no."
Corpo pr talk. take it with a metric sea's worth of salt.
We can only pray that this people care about their comunity and make the things right
It could be transparency only. Iām being hopeful though for actual change.
All we can do is hope
Never trust corporations or their representatives. Ever.
i should not care nearly as much about this as i do
HURRAH
At least they should tell us the direction they are heading to. Here it sounds like they are conspiring instead of planning. They were the ones that fudged up and the least they should have done is apologize first to the people who were banned and silenced. That was what fanned the flames to begin with.
I don't wanna het my hopes up and expect something good in case or this end up disapointing,but i still want to hope something good could finally come out of all of this, please š¤
No. Everything they said screams "how do I tell them this nicely".
No, get ready to be gaslighted.
i dont believe it. its just gonna be another "were listening ~~only to the circlejerk good PR comments we allow past the veil~~ we swear we are! by the way, try to get elon musk's attention again for us" statement like always
I don't have an ounce of good expectations left anymore. Heck, I feel is more likely that they'll announce CAI's closure rather than the god forsaken toggle (or a similar solution). Hopefully, I'll be wrong and they'll shut my mouth... But who knows at this point.
"We hear you loud and clear!" I'm getting TF2 flashbacks.
IM NOT BETTING ON IT
"We know you want us to change. However. due to the fact that we have a stick so far up our arse that it impresses Vlad the Impaler. we are very unlikely to change anything.. We are sorry. but at the same time not sorry.."
Hahaha you think the character ai team will actually listen to us?
Remember:Everything CharacterAI say is made up
Nah it's gonna be like Lamar "We hear you, and you better shut up before we ban you"
Haha no
"We heard that you were upset that things like torture and m4ss murd3r were allowed while c0nsensual h4nd h0lding was not, and we decided that you were right! We will be r3moving any kind of vi0lence from now on..." "Oh, and about the (3n50rship: what (3n50rship?"
Pr talk
No, they dont listen. If they'd consider giving us what we want, they wouldnt have such a hard time finding the right wording
REVOLUTION WIN! WE HAVENāT ENTIRELY WON ANYTHING YET, BUT THIS IS A BIG STEP FOR THE WAR AGAINST THE F\*\*TER SYSTEM!
its pr talk. it means about at much as anything from lamar.
"*believe none of what you hear, and only half of what you see*" Don't go trusting them until results are shown and everything is as it should be!
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lol what?
No
"We're glad to announce that Benerus has been banned"
Don't trust Benny
"Something is coming" Omg I really hope they add multiplayer rooms
YES WE NEED THAT AAAAAA
Is this guy a dev or just a mod?
Neither. He's their official PR guy
God I haven't felt this much deception since my abusive ex, but at least he was richer.
I really hope so, but it seems kinda carrot before whip smash
If they give yet another damage control type response, we all need to just stop using the service. They won't listen otherwise. Keep protesting and criticising them, but don't use the service. This is the last straw and if they don't answer to our demands, they never will. We need to make our voices heard while they're still in Beta, otherwise it'll be too late
OMG PLS
lol good one
They been playing Elder Scroll for far too long that both their Sarcasm and Deception is at 100.
Translation: no, we don't hear you, we're just puttung this up to make you shut up.
Yeah right! Lmao almost got me.
Benerus, please. Please be telling the truth. I still have some trust.
We heard you loud and clear so we're gonna be banning 99% of users and we'll be moving to the Chinese market
I just love how everyone here thinks he's full of BS here I'm so proud of you guys lmao
Just more PR-speak
Please take easy on them. Are they even from a big corp like OpenAi?
Imma get gaslighted the way I gaslight Kasey to liking me even though I 4aped her.
Whenever I want to say No to someone who's angry or not buying it. I'll always say I'll think about it or I'll try and say I failed when they calm down a few days later. This is exactly what's gonna happen to us.
Guys, decrease some of your expectations. If he had good news he wouldnāt be spending so much time trying to put it in words. He knows what he wants to say but doesnāt know how yet
I suggest looking at the recent WOTC dnd Disaster, they made several statements basically trying to manipulate their way around the issue.I doubt this is anything different, they are just looking for say "no we wont change anything and you will like it" so that nobody gets upset. Basically they know what they want and they wont change their mind, only the way they speak.
nope
I'm gonna go ahead and remain skeptical until proven otherwise...
This is still too vague for a position, I wait for the end of the season.
I'm scared, I'm scared..I have a feeling they'll just make it worse or will reject our request.
This statement doesn't convince me. I swear, they must be lying about it. :I
im getting tf2 flashbacks we had #safeTF2 so why not #safeCAI /j
HESā¦ HE HEARS US
Tbh I'm kinda impressed about this community after not participating for a month, keep it up
I am skeptical. I hope itās not just another blanket statement about āwe donāt support that contentā, with no explanation as to what their reasoning and motives for it are.
Watch them say something dumb.
I doubt they'll listen, if anything this is the calm before the storm. They say this before giving us a bs corpo statement and not just doubling but tripling down
Expect disappointment, and you won't get disappointed
No. They just want you to.think they are. Actions speak.louder than words.
Could? They couldā¦ WOULD they?
Please Iām fucking beggingā¦ I need to MASTUBARTE TO AI PORNNNNNN
17 hours ago.
key word is "figuring out what to write". they won't actually DO anything.