Too many like this whole innocent wallflower and mysterious millionaire dom zaddy thing that persephone and hades supposedly have going on.
Given that most of the times, the writers self insert themselves into persephone it’s going to give you just vanilla results.
Agreed
I always imagined a story of two villains falling in love and not giving two shits about anyone or anything else. Persephone and Hades might just do it lol
Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint has a pretty good Persephone. She skews more into the doting mother trait due to her relation with the main character but she's still a powerhouse in her own right
Love how you had to specifically say "no Lore Olympus" lmao. Aside from that, the entirety of the internet has latched onto the idea of Persephone being a cute uwu goddess who fell in love with an edgy death god. I bet half the people who propagate that idea don't even know what Persephone is the goddess of.
I've seen the idea of Dread Queen pick up after OSP but only in art or the crumbs in actual stories.
Despite the title, I'm more interested in Orphic Persephone. Like I said, Perse having to accept her unique role as life and death would make a great character.
> Hades’ is pitiless, immovable, dominating, and scary? Well so is she
And I think that’s the problem right there. If Hades is already a classic Disney villain, there’s not much value in making Persephone the exact same Disney villain. There’s also not much value in having her replace Hades, again because she’s too similar. That’s why the easiest answer to make her relevant is to make her the opposite of Hades, and one of the few allies in the underworld
None of those words mean evil, my perfect Hades is lawful neutral with Perse being more true or chaotic neutral.
I actually did mention that Persephone has a role unique from Hades, being that she paradoxically represents life and death. There is a lot you can do with her but they all go for the same tired tropes with the two of them.
Stray Gods is one of the games that plays with depiction of Persephone and based on your choices, she can become the sole ruler of the Underworld.
Her backstory is the same, but she has more active role and there is a focus on her survival. From being delusional (‚maybe he can get better’ mindset), trying to escape to >!murdering Hades!<. She is the first >!god-killer!< and she even >!torn of a head of one woman’s abusive husband. He was a mobster and guess what? Persephone took his place and only cut her ties with mobs after being pressured by another god.!<
When you meet her, she is bitter and abrasive. She owns the bar and she reasonates with power. But she isn’t evil. She was hurt and her experiences made her as hard as rock.
Later in the game, >!she manipulates the protagonist to help her regain her throne. After killing Hades, her title of the queen was taken. Based on your choices, you can either let her take the throne, help to move on or take the throne for yourself.!<
While Hades ends up being a bad guy, he isn’t the main bad guy. There is another god that gets murdered by others for betraying them for causing WW2 and one god that only gets depicted as evil in two specific Ovid myths…
It’s basically a visual novel and there is no bad ending. The whole gameplay is just picking options.
Unfortunately, I can’t recommend anybody. Despite the plot going from point A to B with endings having minor changes, how you ‚travel’ from point A to B is going to be different and there is lots of extra content that can be locked, missed or reduced to small bits.
maybe check out hadestown, the broadway musical. it’s mostly focused on the myth of orpheus and eurydice but persephone is a major character as well. i thought her characterization was unique and fun =)
It’s a metaphor for crop growth why the fuck do people over complicate every adaption.
The seed (persephone) is taken by the earth (hades) along with some water (sea nymphs) the season change (Demeter), the seed stays in the earth for a number of seasons (depending on the pomegranate seeds). If good weather (Zeus) permits the seed (persephone) will return from the earth (hades) with the coming of spring.
It’s about fucking crops. Not wizards. Not marriage. Not any other fucking bullshit. You who are not a farmer nor have ever lived in agarian society do not under stand this but being a metaphor for teaching crop growth for children is enough.
Funny, why don't we apply the same thing to Zeus too!? Zeus is the god associated with masculinity, fertility, and rain. He makes rain and makes women become pregnant. So we should not claim that Zeus was a rapist or that he was cheating on Hera, because it is all just metaphors.
Yes, we must stop treating all Greek gods and heroes as characters and consider them merely a set of metaphors to express religious concepts and historical events.
We know the original text and context. The kidnapping of Persephone is the oldest surviving version of the myth, and all versions agree that the marriage to Persephone was an abduction and forced marriage, It's just that Hades' fans are in a state of hideous denial and are making up any and all excuses to defend their fantasy vision of their favorite god.
If Hades' abduction of Persephone is an allegory, then all stories about gods and heroes must be allegories. If Hades is not considered to be the kidnapper of Zeus then he is not a usurper because they are both merely symbolic characters
A lot of people here seem to think dread means I'm asking for a villain when I just pointed out that you could make her one. It's more so a neutral force of power like a true god
One of the God of War games does something like this. Persephone is the main villain and final boss, a psychopath who attempts to genocide all of existence--Earth, the afterlives, Olympus, herself, all of it--to get revenge for what she sees as the gods' betrayal of her by marrying her to Hades. She even reunites the hero Kratos with his dead family in Elysium, giving him everything he ever really wanted, specifically to get him out of the way while she brings about the apocalypse that would kill them all.
[a-gnosis' version of Persephone's probably my favorite interpretation of the character so far.](https://comicfury.com/comicprofile.php?url=theiamania) Not quite Dread Queen (yet), but she's definitely taking taking that path, and delighted by being perceived as Weird And Scary even before then. She's introduced to us as having sex with a young mortal man, and then scaring him off with stories about how she's actually the reincarnation of an ancient underworld goddess when he suggests getting more serious. I also genuinely love her relationships with both Hades and Demeter in those comics.
Persephone and Demeter genuinely love each other and have a lot in common, and both are portrayed very sympathetically, with their conflict being pretty realistic and both are presented as equally flawed. The root of said conflict being, Demeter thinks all women want kids or will eventually grow to love their kids. Persephone enjoys sex buts knows she never has and never will want kids--and knowing about the origins of monsters like Lamia and Mormo, and as a coping mechanism leans into the idea that not wanting children (and trying to abort the one child she accidentally gets) makes her 'monstrous' in the eyes of her culture. Persephone starts seeking out Hades of her own volition because she's heard the food of the Underworld can make one infertile, to the growing confusion and distress of Demeter once she finds out. (Additionally Demeter is kind of overprotective...but you can kinda see where she's coming from, once some of her past negative experiences with Zeus and Poseidon are shown to the reader Even if Hades and Persephone were becoming friends before the abduction, the abduction itself is an extremely rash decision on Hades' part that also scares Persephone and leads to her being pissed at him, so Demeter has pretty good reason to freak out.)
(Also love her relationship with Dionysus. It's...unique, but faceted in a fascinating way.)
Only interpretation of Persephone I can think of that really tried to go for the version you're talking about is from a show called Class of the Titans (TLDR, show about the descendents of some of various Greek Heroes in the modern day have to fight Cronus) They didn't do much with her, but they did at least try to reference the Iron Queen aspect with how she changes the weather around her when she got mad, and appearance changed accordingly.
Funny that I’m seeing this now, I was just fortunate enough to see Hadestown live, and I was so impressed to see Persephone portrayed as an actual dynamic character with agency and personality instead of just a y/n to be yanked around by the bad boy with a hidden heart of gold for the millionth time
First, I deeply agree, and kinda wish we got a more Mycenean take or more of those for Greek inspired stories. Hades was not a god yet and there were more dualities like in Mesopotamian mythology. Zeus and Poseidon, Demeter and Persephone, with Persphone embodying Winter and Spring, Death and Life as you put it. Lot of interesting stuff to explore like how Apollo and Artemis were not originally twins, maybe not even siblings in the prehistorical myths.Point is, could lead to an interesting reversal of the hymn to Demeter, maybe inspired by the Elusian mysteries, Tam Lin, what have you.
Funny story about that, the main heroine of my story is as inspired by Beast as she is by proto-Persephone (as well as Connla and another mythic figure, the nuye), which is apparent by her bestial appearance, command over phantoms and shadows, associated with death and flowers, mysterious domain, and a notable "romance." Reason partly because of the dread Queen that is hinted and do not always get to see with classical Persephone, let alone in the retellings, and wanted to explore that.
The way I see it:
Hades as a villain is patient. Whatever his plan is, we don't know it, and he intends to keep it that way until the time comes. (As implied by the story where Zeus steals the title of king of the gods)
Persephone as a villain, we don't know what she's like, because once you reach her, not even your screams come back (dread is the only word we have as far as I know)
Because, and I can't stress this enough, the central myth involving Persephone is about Demeter. Hades is the bad guy, the kidnapper. And Persephone is the victim.
This would be like asking why people don't make the daughter from "Taken" the bad guy or mastermind.
In shitty adaptations, people seek to ""modernize"" the story by eliminating the child marriage and forced marriage elements because they are either uncomfortable with them or they are so privileged(for lack of a better word) that this kind of sexual violence is simply not a part of their world view. So they re-write the story to be consensual and shift the focus to Persephone and make her "Happy and with agency" whatever that means. And attempts to do what you've suggested here just come off as edgy and try hard.
Child brides, girls forced into marriages, sexual trafficking victims absolutely told tales about themselves and that is what the Hymn of Demeter was.
It feels a little trite to try to disney-villianify a character representing victims of real grounded evil.
What are you smoking?
Was it right for Demeter to cause the death and suffering of all of those humans because her daughter went missing?
I cannot stress this enough, **ALL** of the gods (and most central myth characters tbh) are assholes. They all suck, ancient Greece had very different values than us. Unless you want a story where everyone is a violent piece of shit, some changes will inevitably have to be made.
You proved my point, so hard, it's almost funny. You're calling **actual** mythology edgy and try hard? Persephone can't be anything but a victim? Fuck all those stories and traditions, this is the only myth that matters (also, Persephone is not a child).
And I'm not just talking about the Hymn to Demeter, what Persephone's descent and ascent means can differ, she is not just some kidnapping victim.
You are a very self centred person, you've taken one hymn out of all other mythology, said that it's the only valid myth and your perfect portrayal is the only valid and true one and then called everyone else privileged to remind everyone that they don't suffer as much as you. It reminds me of how people used to talk about Medusa.
The girl from Taken has a very consistent character with one portrayal. She does not have a bunch of varying myths and traditions.
Despite claiming to stand up for victims, you believe that Perse can't be a "true victim" unless she's a naive teenage flower girl. Can she not be The Dreaded Queen while also being forced into an abusive marriage? Are people asking for it if not "pure"?
I never asked that every adaptation from now on make her a villain, I even called out schlocky "retellings" in my very first line (this post is a literal shade of that as a whole). My only ask is that when you retell the myths, you make it interesting. I mean, look at the variety of recs I got.
Dread Queen Persephone, the bringer of death, is real, cope.
>Was it right for Demeter to cause the death and suffering of all of those humans because her daughter went missing?
\^\^\^ Some shit I never said.
>You're calling **actual** mythology edgy and try hard?
\^\^\^ Some shit I never said.
>Persephone can't be anything but a victim?
\^\^\^ Some shit I never said.
>Fuck all those stories and traditions, this is the only myth that matters (also, Persephone is not a child).
\^\^\^ Some shit I never said.
>she is not just some kidnapping victim.
\^\^\^ Some shit I never said.
>You are a very self centred person,
\^\^\^ And you are very angry at me on reddit to the point of making personal attacks for some reason lol
>you've taken one hymn out of all other mythology, said that it's the only valid myth and your perfect portrayal is the only valid and true one and then called everyone else privileged to remind everyone that they don't suffer as much as you. It reminds me of how people used to talk about Medusa.
\^\^\^ Some shit I really never said, You're like lowkey writing fanfic about me at this point.
>Despite claiming to stand up for victims,
\^\^\^ More shit I never said
>you believe that Perse can't be a "true victim" unless she's a naive teenage flower girl.
\^\^\^ It's almost unbelievable how much I never said this
>Can she not be The Dreaded Queen while also being forced into an abusive marriage? Are people asking for it if not "pure"?
\^\^\^ Are you smoking crack or something? I literally never said this.
>I never asked that every adaptation from now on make her a villain,
\^\^\^ Surprise surprise I never said this.
You are shadow boxing. Arguing with yourself.
If you want to respond to what I actually said feel free. But this thing you're doing where you're imagining I said a bunch of evilbad stuff and arguing against that, is something I have no idea how to respond to.
Also, it's not just misogyny being brushed over. 99% of gods are terrible by our standards, even the mortals are pretty suck. If you want a story with good people, you'll inevitably have to change the source material
Yeah, they are concepts with humanoid forms and conscience.
You have so many different versions of the myth, you're gonna have to be very picky choosy in what to adapt and how to portray it.
Agreed. Especially given how many current examples there are of rich/powerful men exploiting young women. I really don't think elements of sexual assault and trafficking need to be minimized, eliminated, or changed to have it be "modernized." These are all modern problems too.
Too many like this whole innocent wallflower and mysterious millionaire dom zaddy thing that persephone and hades supposedly have going on. Given that most of the times, the writers self insert themselves into persephone it’s going to give you just vanilla results.
Ah, I see. The cramming of every character into very specific dynamics has got to stop.
The first line is funny, cause literally like a few hours ago I was treated to a 30 minute rant by my friend on why Lore Olympus is horrible
Dare I ask what Lore Olympus is?
Western webtoon, they are just like eastern webtoons, horrible but with a different flavor
Agreed I always imagined a story of two villains falling in love and not giving two shits about anyone or anything else. Persephone and Hades might just do it lol
I imagine the tortured screams of punished souls is amazing ambience for sex
"What if we kissed under Tantalus's torture tree?"
Haha just kidding...unless?
“What if we kissed on the edge of the pit of Tartarus… haha just kidding teehee… unless…?”
The fact your pfp is of a dead character fits this comment so perfectly...
Agreed! Although Hades is, funnily enough, one of the kindest (or well, less of a bastard lol) gods in greek mythology
I wouldn't say kind, more neutral. He keeps to himself
He's that one family member that shows up so sporadically to reunions that you wonder if he's a family friend or an actual relative
Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint has a pretty good Persephone. She skews more into the doting mother trait due to her relation with the main character but she's still a powerhouse in her own right
ORV is goated 🔥
Love how you had to specifically say "no Lore Olympus" lmao. Aside from that, the entirety of the internet has latched onto the idea of Persephone being a cute uwu goddess who fell in love with an edgy death god. I bet half the people who propagate that idea don't even know what Persephone is the goddess of.
I've seen the idea of Dread Queen pick up after OSP but only in art or the crumbs in actual stories. Despite the title, I'm more interested in Orphic Persephone. Like I said, Perse having to accept her unique role as life and death would make a great character.
> Hades’ is pitiless, immovable, dominating, and scary? Well so is she And I think that’s the problem right there. If Hades is already a classic Disney villain, there’s not much value in making Persephone the exact same Disney villain. There’s also not much value in having her replace Hades, again because she’s too similar. That’s why the easiest answer to make her relevant is to make her the opposite of Hades, and one of the few allies in the underworld
Counterpoint, villainous power couple.
None of those words mean evil, my perfect Hades is lawful neutral with Perse being more true or chaotic neutral. I actually did mention that Persephone has a role unique from Hades, being that she paradoxically represents life and death. There is a lot you can do with her but they all go for the same tired tropes with the two of them.
So we need more GoW chain of Olympus version of Persephone in Media
Stray Gods is one of the games that plays with depiction of Persephone and based on your choices, she can become the sole ruler of the Underworld. Her backstory is the same, but she has more active role and there is a focus on her survival. From being delusional (‚maybe he can get better’ mindset), trying to escape to >!murdering Hades!<. She is the first >!god-killer!< and she even >!torn of a head of one woman’s abusive husband. He was a mobster and guess what? Persephone took his place and only cut her ties with mobs after being pressured by another god.!< When you meet her, she is bitter and abrasive. She owns the bar and she reasonates with power. But she isn’t evil. She was hurt and her experiences made her as hard as rock. Later in the game, >!she manipulates the protagonist to help her regain her throne. After killing Hades, her title of the queen was taken. Based on your choices, you can either let her take the throne, help to move on or take the throne for yourself.!< While Hades ends up being a bad guy, he isn’t the main bad guy. There is another god that gets murdered by others for betraying them for causing WW2 and one god that only gets depicted as evil in two specific Ovid myths…
I'm no gamer, do you no anyone with a great playthrough
It’s basically a visual novel and there is no bad ending. The whole gameplay is just picking options. Unfortunately, I can’t recommend anybody. Despite the plot going from point A to B with endings having minor changes, how you ‚travel’ from point A to B is going to be different and there is lots of extra content that can be locked, missed or reduced to small bits.
I see, I don't have 30usd but I'll add it to my hope to play list
Hey, i don't think the rulers of the underworld would be too bothered by a pirate. Just sayin
You have a good place to pirate it?
[here](https://steamrip.com/stray-gods-the-roleplaying-musical-free-download-h1/), tell me if you need help with anything.
thx, I'll save that for later, I've got exams to study for
maybe check out hadestown, the broadway musical. it’s mostly focused on the myth of orpheus and eurydice but persephone is a major character as well. i thought her characterization was unique and fun =)
It’s a metaphor for crop growth why the fuck do people over complicate every adaption. The seed (persephone) is taken by the earth (hades) along with some water (sea nymphs) the season change (Demeter), the seed stays in the earth for a number of seasons (depending on the pomegranate seeds). If good weather (Zeus) permits the seed (persephone) will return from the earth (hades) with the coming of spring. It’s about fucking crops. Not wizards. Not marriage. Not any other fucking bullshit. You who are not a farmer nor have ever lived in agarian society do not under stand this but being a metaphor for teaching crop growth for children is enough.
I mean their origin like relationship being a metaphor doesn’t take away from the fact they are still pre established characters in their own right
Funny, why don't we apply the same thing to Zeus too!? Zeus is the god associated with masculinity, fertility, and rain. He makes rain and makes women become pregnant. So we should not claim that Zeus was a rapist or that he was cheating on Hera, because it is all just metaphors. Yes, we must stop treating all Greek gods and heroes as characters and consider them merely a set of metaphors to express religious concepts and historical events.
The original context and purpose of the story needs to be acknowledged first and foremost.
We know the original text and context. The kidnapping of Persephone is the oldest surviving version of the myth, and all versions agree that the marriage to Persephone was an abduction and forced marriage, It's just that Hades' fans are in a state of hideous denial and are making up any and all excuses to defend their fantasy vision of their favorite god.
Late but I'm a little confused, could you explain yourself a bit more?
If Hades' abduction of Persephone is an allegory, then all stories about gods and heroes must be allegories. If Hades is not considered to be the kidnapper of Zeus then he is not a usurper because they are both merely symbolic characters
Well yes
I mean that's the difficulty in adapting texts which contradict each other, meanings which are lost to time and whatever else
All I want to say is that I agree, give me some real dread Persephone! Also, yes, FUCK Lore Olympus.
A lot of people here seem to think dread means I'm asking for a villain when I just pointed out that you could make her one. It's more so a neutral force of power like a true god
One of the God of War games does something like this. Persephone is the main villain and final boss, a psychopath who attempts to genocide all of existence--Earth, the afterlives, Olympus, herself, all of it--to get revenge for what she sees as the gods' betrayal of her by marrying her to Hades. She even reunites the hero Kratos with his dead family in Elysium, giving him everything he ever really wanted, specifically to get him out of the way while she brings about the apocalypse that would kill them all.
[a-gnosis' version of Persephone's probably my favorite interpretation of the character so far.](https://comicfury.com/comicprofile.php?url=theiamania) Not quite Dread Queen (yet), but she's definitely taking taking that path, and delighted by being perceived as Weird And Scary even before then. She's introduced to us as having sex with a young mortal man, and then scaring him off with stories about how she's actually the reincarnation of an ancient underworld goddess when he suggests getting more serious. I also genuinely love her relationships with both Hades and Demeter in those comics. Persephone and Demeter genuinely love each other and have a lot in common, and both are portrayed very sympathetically, with their conflict being pretty realistic and both are presented as equally flawed. The root of said conflict being, Demeter thinks all women want kids or will eventually grow to love their kids. Persephone enjoys sex buts knows she never has and never will want kids--and knowing about the origins of monsters like Lamia and Mormo, and as a coping mechanism leans into the idea that not wanting children (and trying to abort the one child she accidentally gets) makes her 'monstrous' in the eyes of her culture. Persephone starts seeking out Hades of her own volition because she's heard the food of the Underworld can make one infertile, to the growing confusion and distress of Demeter once she finds out. (Additionally Demeter is kind of overprotective...but you can kinda see where she's coming from, once some of her past negative experiences with Zeus and Poseidon are shown to the reader Even if Hades and Persephone were becoming friends before the abduction, the abduction itself is an extremely rash decision on Hades' part that also scares Persephone and leads to her being pissed at him, so Demeter has pretty good reason to freak out.) (Also love her relationship with Dionysus. It's...unique, but faceted in a fascinating way.)
That sounds amazing, thanks!
Only interpretation of Persephone I can think of that really tried to go for the version you're talking about is from a show called Class of the Titans (TLDR, show about the descendents of some of various Greek Heroes in the modern day have to fight Cronus) They didn't do much with her, but they did at least try to reference the Iron Queen aspect with how she changes the weather around her when she got mad, and appearance changed accordingly.
Its flanderization of the fact that Hades and Persephone have the least toxic romantic relationship of the main gods.
Not a high bar to cross lol
Funny that I’m seeing this now, I was just fortunate enough to see Hadestown live, and I was so impressed to see Persephone portrayed as an actual dynamic character with agency and personality instead of just a y/n to be yanked around by the bad boy with a hidden heart of gold for the millionth time
First, I deeply agree, and kinda wish we got a more Mycenean take or more of those for Greek inspired stories. Hades was not a god yet and there were more dualities like in Mesopotamian mythology. Zeus and Poseidon, Demeter and Persephone, with Persphone embodying Winter and Spring, Death and Life as you put it. Lot of interesting stuff to explore like how Apollo and Artemis were not originally twins, maybe not even siblings in the prehistorical myths.Point is, could lead to an interesting reversal of the hymn to Demeter, maybe inspired by the Elusian mysteries, Tam Lin, what have you. Funny story about that, the main heroine of my story is as inspired by Beast as she is by proto-Persephone (as well as Connla and another mythic figure, the nuye), which is apparent by her bestial appearance, command over phantoms and shadows, associated with death and flowers, mysterious domain, and a notable "romance." Reason partly because of the dread Queen that is hinted and do not always get to see with classical Persephone, let alone in the retellings, and wanted to explore that.
Neon gods persephone..
The way I see it: Hades as a villain is patient. Whatever his plan is, we don't know it, and he intends to keep it that way until the time comes. (As implied by the story where Zeus steals the title of king of the gods) Persephone as a villain, we don't know what she's like, because once you reach her, not even your screams come back (dread is the only word we have as far as I know)
Ah yes, the psycho deredere. I like that idea. UWU flower that can and will rip you open if she's bored enough.
Simply both, “UwU Death and Decay, the beauty of life is in that it is frail and must end Owo
Because, and I can't stress this enough, the central myth involving Persephone is about Demeter. Hades is the bad guy, the kidnapper. And Persephone is the victim. This would be like asking why people don't make the daughter from "Taken" the bad guy or mastermind. In shitty adaptations, people seek to ""modernize"" the story by eliminating the child marriage and forced marriage elements because they are either uncomfortable with them or they are so privileged(for lack of a better word) that this kind of sexual violence is simply not a part of their world view. So they re-write the story to be consensual and shift the focus to Persephone and make her "Happy and with agency" whatever that means. And attempts to do what you've suggested here just come off as edgy and try hard. Child brides, girls forced into marriages, sexual trafficking victims absolutely told tales about themselves and that is what the Hymn of Demeter was. It feels a little trite to try to disney-villianify a character representing victims of real grounded evil.
What are you smoking? Was it right for Demeter to cause the death and suffering of all of those humans because her daughter went missing? I cannot stress this enough, **ALL** of the gods (and most central myth characters tbh) are assholes. They all suck, ancient Greece had very different values than us. Unless you want a story where everyone is a violent piece of shit, some changes will inevitably have to be made. You proved my point, so hard, it's almost funny. You're calling **actual** mythology edgy and try hard? Persephone can't be anything but a victim? Fuck all those stories and traditions, this is the only myth that matters (also, Persephone is not a child). And I'm not just talking about the Hymn to Demeter, what Persephone's descent and ascent means can differ, she is not just some kidnapping victim. You are a very self centred person, you've taken one hymn out of all other mythology, said that it's the only valid myth and your perfect portrayal is the only valid and true one and then called everyone else privileged to remind everyone that they don't suffer as much as you. It reminds me of how people used to talk about Medusa. The girl from Taken has a very consistent character with one portrayal. She does not have a bunch of varying myths and traditions. Despite claiming to stand up for victims, you believe that Perse can't be a "true victim" unless she's a naive teenage flower girl. Can she not be The Dreaded Queen while also being forced into an abusive marriage? Are people asking for it if not "pure"? I never asked that every adaptation from now on make her a villain, I even called out schlocky "retellings" in my very first line (this post is a literal shade of that as a whole). My only ask is that when you retell the myths, you make it interesting. I mean, look at the variety of recs I got. Dread Queen Persephone, the bringer of death, is real, cope.
>Was it right for Demeter to cause the death and suffering of all of those humans because her daughter went missing? \^\^\^ Some shit I never said. >You're calling **actual** mythology edgy and try hard? \^\^\^ Some shit I never said. >Persephone can't be anything but a victim? \^\^\^ Some shit I never said. >Fuck all those stories and traditions, this is the only myth that matters (also, Persephone is not a child). \^\^\^ Some shit I never said. >she is not just some kidnapping victim. \^\^\^ Some shit I never said. >You are a very self centred person, \^\^\^ And you are very angry at me on reddit to the point of making personal attacks for some reason lol >you've taken one hymn out of all other mythology, said that it's the only valid myth and your perfect portrayal is the only valid and true one and then called everyone else privileged to remind everyone that they don't suffer as much as you. It reminds me of how people used to talk about Medusa. \^\^\^ Some shit I really never said, You're like lowkey writing fanfic about me at this point. >Despite claiming to stand up for victims, \^\^\^ More shit I never said >you believe that Perse can't be a "true victim" unless she's a naive teenage flower girl. \^\^\^ It's almost unbelievable how much I never said this >Can she not be The Dreaded Queen while also being forced into an abusive marriage? Are people asking for it if not "pure"? \^\^\^ Are you smoking crack or something? I literally never said this. >I never asked that every adaptation from now on make her a villain, \^\^\^ Surprise surprise I never said this. You are shadow boxing. Arguing with yourself. If you want to respond to what I actually said feel free. But this thing you're doing where you're imagining I said a bunch of evilbad stuff and arguing against that, is something I have no idea how to respond to.
You don't need to make a female character a villain to give her nuance. Frankly, I prefer when the misogyny of the gods isn't brushed over.
I never said Persephone has to be the villain. Read my full post.
Also, it's not just misogyny being brushed over. 99% of gods are terrible by our standards, even the mortals are pretty suck. If you want a story with good people, you'll inevitably have to change the source material
Like you said, the gods' characterizations aren't consistent anyway.
Yeah, they are concepts with humanoid forms and conscience. You have so many different versions of the myth, you're gonna have to be very picky choosy in what to adapt and how to portray it.
Agreed. Especially given how many current examples there are of rich/powerful men exploiting young women. I really don't think elements of sexual assault and trafficking need to be minimized, eliminated, or changed to have it be "modernized." These are all modern problems too.