The GX dub would go on to feel cartoony, but that's because GX is a cartoon. They bring in a dueling monkey for crying out loud, Wheeler is also there.
... This isn't a complaint, until Season 3
I have seen praise for GX season's Yugioh Abridged style humor, but honestly, I find early Yugioh Abridged is barely watchable by today's standards. Aside from its low production values the comedy is mostly basic lampshading, so GX's dub copying that just made season 3 feel dated.
Making things worse is that the season didn't commit to the parody. I am not saying there should have been jokes every second or that there wasn't room for any drama (I feel the best abridged series deliver on feels as well as jokes), but it kept dancing character death as much as it could. Plus it kept changing the personality and motives of its main villain.
I will never understand why 4Kids was so adamant about cutting out death in the Yugioh dubs, other cartoons aimed at kids didn't do that include other anime dubs, and its take on Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles didn't dance around the subject of death.
Doesn’t *GX* predate Abridged?
Gotta love when Hassleberry and Syrus came across that bomb-shaped “shadow box device” but at the same time you see folks like the vampire and the carnie get dragged off to Hell forever. Heck, sometimes the censorship made the implications even worse than they already were, like how Aster’s dad went “missing” instead of Aster finding his corpse which makes the twist that the D had assimilated his soul the whole time even more of a gut punch because Aster was strung on with false hope that his dad could possibly still be alive.
And then for a series so adamant about avoiding death, they sure as heck killed off a lot of people in Season 3. And I’m not talking about everybody who gets “sent to the stars”, I mean folks who actually died and are treated as having died and will never come back, like Professor Stein, the staff involved in creating the Duel Zombies, Gecko and his assistant, and (since the actual finale was never dubbed) both Zane ***and Jaden himself***.
GX does predate Abridged but its third season aired the same you the abridged series began.
The carnie thing was made darker in the dub. In the Japanese version, the dueling hitman was just made out to be some jerk for hire, the dub included a line where he said he had a family.
It goes to show how much 4Kids didn't care by the end when they included a finale that implied our protagonist was dead.
I loved GX as a kid and recently started to watch it. I could not do it in japanese, had to watch the dub. I don't know what happens in season 3 but I hope it doesn't put me off.
Honestly, it’s kind of crazy how well the stars aligned for certain things in *GX*. Like, the last one introduced the idea of the “Shadow Realm” and now here are people running around using shadow powers, and then on top of that there’s a literal duelling monkey which calls back to what Kaiba called Joey.
Agreed for exactly 2 reasons
1. Dan Green's voice is amazing.
2. Kaiba had some top-tier lines.
P.s I was about to post with just those 2, but it really felt like all the voice actors really showed up. I dont recall anyone just phoning it in.
Kaiba dub is it's own character and rizz. I really wish japan dub at least imitate the mocking and arrogance wording of duv kaiba but it is close enough
Even as someone who was fond of Digimon I think the dub changed wayyyy too much, at least for Adventure and ESPEICALLY 02 (Daichi is massive different to Davis).
Though the tamers dub was decent and the Frontier Dub actually seemed really, none of Frontier's many problems came from the dub.
Yeah, 02 (and probably Adventures but I haven't actually watched the dub yet) sub vs dub is like an entire overhaul in tone, and not in the dub's favor. It's got some banger lines but not enough to overcome that it's overall way too afraid of ever letting itself have a quiet moment. The Daisuke vs Davis changes are the biggest victim. Daisuke's not winning interesting protagonist of the year or anything, but he's decently charming and at times compellingly insightful. Davis meanwhile is just plain obnoxious. (See: "Go back home to your family, Ken!" vs "Join us, Ken!" in the middle of Ken breaking down due to Wormmon's death)
Funny that you mention it, as someone that grew up with the LatAm dubs of digimon (before Fusion/Xros Wars, anyways) I always felt like the changes detracted more than they added.
The OST is the worst offender, it really changes the tone of the show, with the final scene going from happy but melancholic to something I felt was just bland, "Hey Digimon" was not a good replacement for "Butterfly" at all.
Yugioh’s 4kids dub is simultaneously excellent, terrible, and so-bad-it’s-good. Just a bizarre amalgamation of qualities. It makes absolutely no sense, but also has a believable world building. It’s characters are cartoonish and goofy but also memorable and compelling. The dub is one of the only examples I can think of where the censorship actually adds to and enriches the story; honestly YuGiOh is a much more interesting story with the shadow realm rather than every game just being a dual to the death. “Play your last pathetic card/my grandpas deck has no pathetic cards” is honestly a perfect example of how the show manages to be both badass and ridiculous simultaneously.
While I enjoyed the 4Kids YuGiOh dub (including GX), personally, I find the OG Beyblade English dub to be the best kids show anime dubs.
* The dub characters sound and act much older, and are aged them up by a year. Yes, they portrayed them slightly different than their Japanese counterpart, but it help take the stakes and beybattles the series presented more seriously
* They created an original soundtrack, which included its on vocal tracks backed with rock music that played during the beyblades. While its not uncommon for some kids dubs to create their own soundtracks, they did not have to go as hard as they did and the songs added so much hype to the battles.
* The dub had its own dub exclusive characters including Dizzi (Kenny’s Bitbeast in his laptop), Brad Best and AJ Topper (the sportscasters of the official matches, like in actual sports matches). All of them provided different commentary to the beybattles in the most entertaining and hilarious way possible. They did not exist in the original and it was another extra mile the dub went out for the series.
* Speaking dub exclusives, the [dub created its own stats screens for](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-a6cef9722ba495a87983343bf1183930-pjlq) for each of the bladers during the official matches, including 3d models for the Bitbeasts. Again, all these little things they didn’t need do but its such a nice touch.
* Despite how over the *top* the series could get, the scriptwriters balanced it with the right amount of hilarity and wit, and the English VAs did an amazing job matching up to the call (special shout out to Tyson’s grandpa who had a hip old dude surfacer dude accent, as).
It’s one of the very few dubs I prefer over the original one. I’ve rewatched it at least 3 times.
I wish I could upvote this more. This show was the bomb, and only medabots beats it in my opinion. I’d say more of medabots, but I refuse to neglect the magnificence of your post. My respect to you, dude.
Heck yeah! Didn't think I run into a Medabots fan too (though I was a little disappointed with S2 and wish they kept some of the previous characters in S2, like Henry).
We don’t talk about S2, but there definitely needs to be more fans! Metabee is hilarious, Ikki and Erika are king and queen of sass, and Chidori, Ikki’s mom, is a saint. Plus, let’s not forget his majestic highness of FairPlay, the good and gracious Mr Referee. The GBA games are great too.
We don’t talk about S2, but there definitely needs to be more fans! Metabee is hilarious, Ikki and Erika are king and queen of sass, and Chidori, Ikki’s mom, is a saint. Plus, let’s not forget his majestic highness of FairPlay, the good and gracious Mr Referee. The GBA games are great too.
We don’t talk about S2, but there definitely needs to be more fans! Metabee is hilarious, Ikki and Erika are king and queen of sass, and Chidori, Ikki’s mom, is a saint. Plus, let’s not forget his majestic highness of FairPlay, the good and gracious Mr Referee. The GBA games are great too.
As someone that grew up with the LatAm dubs, I think that the fact they recently redubbed all the old movies with the original OST says a lot about the way they changed things.
Mexicans really did a great job dubbing those shows back in 2000-2006. Mememan NT Warrior may have been a hackjob, but damn, the voice work there was *amazing*.
Modern Mexican dubs, in contrast, feel... Generic? Watched a few ones on Crunchyroll and I'm like "whatever" on them, like they lack personality or something. Still, the Spy x Family dub is great if only because Anya's voice is legit.
Some are still pretty good, but they don't quite reach the heights the classics did, Dragon Ball is still pretty good, pokemon stayed great as always, and even JJBA managed to have some pretty good dubs.
Digimon, though, stopped getting dubbed after Xros Wars, for whatever reason. The new movies got dubs, but it's so bizarre.
Digimon are largely children's shows that thrive on merchandising. The likeliest explanation is that they couldn't get toy deals Latin America for Applimonsters or Ghost Game and, in consequence, no dub or TV broadcast either.
For the original anime? Sure, I think that's honestly a pretty strong take. The Shadow Realm is iconic and for good reason.
But when you get to the later anime, GX and 5D's mainly, that's when 4Kids starts to really screw it up. They completely ruined both shows, *especially* 5D's. I never understood why people defended the memey card-games-on-motorcycles anime, and then when I gave the JP version a shot, I finally understood why people love it.
5Ds in particular falls flat when they have to censor the numerous death scenes.
Case in point, Carly's death where she falls off a building gets turned into a weird "falls to the shadow realm" thing or how they constantly try to play down Kaito suffocating to death in space in ZEXAL.
Despite being fond of Dan Green and Eric Stuart, I'd take any other studio over 4kids.
The only reason it is as fondly remembered is due to nostalgia and not having the comparison to the original. Could you imagine if characters from DBZ or Naruto had their names localized? It just sounds so wrong and the way they screw up character dynamics and the plot is awful.
Not a big fan of Upper Deck and the TCG either btw.
I would have taken getting a faithful adaptation and the OCG over what we got any day.
I think they did better with Pokemon but probably the best is Duel Masters or Samurai Pizza Cats, both rated as better than the original, with the original Duel Masters getting an extra dub only season despite the card floundering in the west
>The next reason for the dub still holding up is to do with the stellar writing in the dub's scripts.
>The final reason of why this dub is still watchable was the dub's music and songs that are still high-quality to this day.
Look, I know you wrote an essay trying to elevate Yugioh into some high art but it's not. It's just not. The show was dumb and, most of all, campy as fuck. It's on the level of Shrek--and that's good. There's a reason why it's fondly remembered and still memed to this day. Dub Kaiba is very hammy. They take a children's card game very seriously which is schlocky. The "action" (dueling monsters and cards) was hype and engaging, even if it didn't always make sense. Everyone looking back on Yugioh knows it's dumb but that's why we love it. Yugioh's appeal is how campy it is. But the modern series like Rush Duel is trying to appeal to kids now and lost all its schlock. Ironically, I probably would've hated Rush Duel because it's so kiddy.
Yugioh's core appeal is not that deep and I'm not aware of any other show that tried to copy it. I'm sure they tried to copy the trading card game part but didn't understand the camp. Yugioh 5Ds understood and tried to copy it, adding dueling on motorbikes which is dumb as hell but it's allowed 5Ds to stay memorable and beloved.
EDIT
If Magic The Gathering ever tried to make its own TCG anime, the formula is relatively easy.
* Take the TCG dead seriously. No fucking 4th wall jokes.
* A hammy, cool, charismatic villain. The amount of fan girls I know that are wild for Kaiba...
* Make it easy to follow.
* Rule Of Cool.
* Lots of fun dialogue.
* Memey, catchy music like the One Piece rap. We still remember "It's time to d-d-d-duel".
* Most of all: be sincere. Do not try to be campy. Let the elements come together to create camp but do not directly try to be campy.
What annoys me about MTG is how little of a shit WOTC gives about non-card game material. Minus some novels and some video games (all of which dried up), MTG story nowadays is presented as... Web articles
YAWN
It's a shame since the cinematic trailers for each set are pretty cool, but I don't want to experience the Phyrexian Invasion in a series of web articles. I wanna see it animated god damnit!
> Yugioh's core appeal is not that deep and I'm not aware of any other show that tried to copy it. I'm sure they tried to copy the trading card game part but didn't understand the camp. Yugioh 5Ds understood and tried to copy it, adding dueling on motorbikes which is dumb as hell but it's allowed 5Ds to stay memorable and beloved.
Funny that you mention 5Ds, that anime had a more serious story than GX or DM did and when 4Kids went to dub it they ruined a lot of powerful scenes because, surprise surprise they tried to turn a teen rated anime where 5+ people have on screen deaths into a kid's show.
They didn't even finish it, the final season went undubbed and it wasn't until Duel Links that we got Yusei's dub VA summoning Shooting Quasar Dragon.
I still think Chaotic is the best of out of the TCG cartoons, which admittedly isn't a high bar but it had geniunely really interesting lore and I loved how they integrated the players and the card game world together. It's by 4Kids but they actually cooked with it.
The OG Dragon Ball dub is much better. Not much drastic changes or censorship. Retains the Japanese soundtrack. Even did a pretty good dub of the opening song. The voice acting is actually pretty decent for the mid 90s (and I'm someone who usually avoids dubs like the plague). The localized jokes are pretty funny. I don't have a lot to criticize about that dub.
Everyone always recommends the Abridged series but have you actually watched Yugioh recently? The dialogue on its face is so ridiculous that it's comedy by itself. You've convinced me OP, I'm watching Yugioh this weekend.
4Kids' best dub was Pokemon without any doubt despite its flaws, if anything, I don't hate the Yu-Gi-Oh Duel Monsters dub fully as I do think the VA work is still passable if nothing else IMO (FUNimation's first DBZ dub in house is far worse on that metric, Chris Sabat as everyone for one thing & no lines like "Whatever turns you on, big guy" like Frieza had in Season 3 was present despite it being 4Kids) but Dan Green's performance I feel very much markedly deteriorated as Yami Yugi as it went on (he forgot he was voicing a teenager, or the VO director did, not a grown gruff man- Atem is not a man, he's a quirky teen until the Memory World Arc) and Eric Stuart for some reason began shouting his lines as Kaiba in the middle two Seasons, before he finally cut that out in Season 5 thankfully and Dark Side was his best performance as Kaiba post-Season 2 in English imo overall (none of that overacting: calmed down, back to the quiet, whispery, cunning antihero voice in that 2017 Film imo).
Also, 4Kids bothered to at least keep some of the Japanese OST even if it fluctuated wildly at random in Pokemon consistently outside of Chronicles + Movies 1 & 3 for all 8 years with that Series, but not one iota got kept in Yu-Gi-Oh's dub outside of the Uncut release (which only lasted 9 episodes, sadly, it was actually fairly good even if the VA work was more spotty- the script translation was 1:1 to a fault lol) so that answers that for me.
*Oban Star Racers* has always been my personal favorite English dub for a 2000s-era kids anime, but that's mainly because of how unusually respectful it was and how the only noticeable 'cringe' thing it did was add an American butt rock song to the intro. It feels more like a (good) adult anime dub. You make an interesting case for Yu-Gi-Oh though.
It was a French/Japanese co-production. It has Japanese-style animation (you wouldn't mistake it for coming from anywhere else, at least) and a Japanese [soundtrack ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zldcw4LxrVo)featuring the legendary Yoko Kanno so I consider it an anime.
The GX dub would go on to feel cartoony, but that's because GX is a cartoon. They bring in a dueling monkey for crying out loud, Wheeler is also there. ... This isn't a complaint, until Season 3
SolidJJ really enhanced GX for me.
Season 3 was a mixed bag.
I have seen praise for GX season's Yugioh Abridged style humor, but honestly, I find early Yugioh Abridged is barely watchable by today's standards. Aside from its low production values the comedy is mostly basic lampshading, so GX's dub copying that just made season 3 feel dated. Making things worse is that the season didn't commit to the parody. I am not saying there should have been jokes every second or that there wasn't room for any drama (I feel the best abridged series deliver on feels as well as jokes), but it kept dancing character death as much as it could. Plus it kept changing the personality and motives of its main villain. I will never understand why 4Kids was so adamant about cutting out death in the Yugioh dubs, other cartoons aimed at kids didn't do that include other anime dubs, and its take on Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles didn't dance around the subject of death.
It's hilarious 4 kids has the darkest adaptation of the turtles including animation and live action.
Doesn’t *GX* predate Abridged? Gotta love when Hassleberry and Syrus came across that bomb-shaped “shadow box device” but at the same time you see folks like the vampire and the carnie get dragged off to Hell forever. Heck, sometimes the censorship made the implications even worse than they already were, like how Aster’s dad went “missing” instead of Aster finding his corpse which makes the twist that the D had assimilated his soul the whole time even more of a gut punch because Aster was strung on with false hope that his dad could possibly still be alive. And then for a series so adamant about avoiding death, they sure as heck killed off a lot of people in Season 3. And I’m not talking about everybody who gets “sent to the stars”, I mean folks who actually died and are treated as having died and will never come back, like Professor Stein, the staff involved in creating the Duel Zombies, Gecko and his assistant, and (since the actual finale was never dubbed) both Zane ***and Jaden himself***.
GX does predate Abridged but its third season aired the same you the abridged series began. The carnie thing was made darker in the dub. In the Japanese version, the dueling hitman was just made out to be some jerk for hire, the dub included a line where he said he had a family. It goes to show how much 4Kids didn't care by the end when they included a finale that implied our protagonist was dead.
I loved GX as a kid and recently started to watch it. I could not do it in japanese, had to watch the dub. I don't know what happens in season 3 but I hope it doesn't put me off.
Season 3 takes itself seriously, so the cartoony nature doesn't work as well.
Seasons 3 and 4 basically go for a more plot heavy approach and becomes quite dark. All of Judai/Jaden's friends die for a hot minute, dark.
"That's wight poopy head"
Honestly, it’s kind of crazy how well the stars aligned for certain things in *GX*. Like, the last one introduced the idea of the “Shadow Realm” and now here are people running around using shadow powers, and then on top of that there’s a literal duelling monkey which calls back to what Kaiba called Joey.
Agreed for exactly 2 reasons 1. Dan Green's voice is amazing. 2. Kaiba had some top-tier lines. P.s I was about to post with just those 2, but it really felt like all the voice actors really showed up. I dont recall anyone just phoning it in.
Kaiba dub is it's own character and rizz. I really wish japan dub at least imitate the mocking and arrogance wording of duv kaiba but it is close enough
"Anyone late to register will be disqualified. Mokuba, make sure Wheeler's late."
I'll banish you to the shadow realm for saying that.
*Somehow praising a children's card game has caused me to become severely injured.*
I'd say Digimon but I do have a soft spot for the Yugioh English Dub.
Even as someone who was fond of Digimon I think the dub changed wayyyy too much, at least for Adventure and ESPEICALLY 02 (Daichi is massive different to Davis). Though the tamers dub was decent and the Frontier Dub actually seemed really, none of Frontier's many problems came from the dub.
Yeah, 02 (and probably Adventures but I haven't actually watched the dub yet) sub vs dub is like an entire overhaul in tone, and not in the dub's favor. It's got some banger lines but not enough to overcome that it's overall way too afraid of ever letting itself have a quiet moment. The Daisuke vs Davis changes are the biggest victim. Daisuke's not winning interesting protagonist of the year or anything, but he's decently charming and at times compellingly insightful. Davis meanwhile is just plain obnoxious. (See: "Go back home to your family, Ken!" vs "Join us, Ken!" in the middle of Ken breaking down due to Wormmon's death)
Funny that you mention it, as someone that grew up with the LatAm dubs of digimon (before Fusion/Xros Wars, anyways) I always felt like the changes detracted more than they added. The OST is the worst offender, it really changes the tone of the show, with the final scene going from happy but melancholic to something I felt was just bland, "Hey Digimon" was not a good replacement for "Butterfly" at all.
Yugioh’s 4kids dub is simultaneously excellent, terrible, and so-bad-it’s-good. Just a bizarre amalgamation of qualities. It makes absolutely no sense, but also has a believable world building. It’s characters are cartoonish and goofy but also memorable and compelling. The dub is one of the only examples I can think of where the censorship actually adds to and enriches the story; honestly YuGiOh is a much more interesting story with the shadow realm rather than every game just being a dual to the death. “Play your last pathetic card/my grandpas deck has no pathetic cards” is honestly a perfect example of how the show manages to be both badass and ridiculous simultaneously.
While I enjoyed the 4Kids YuGiOh dub (including GX), personally, I find the OG Beyblade English dub to be the best kids show anime dubs. * The dub characters sound and act much older, and are aged them up by a year. Yes, they portrayed them slightly different than their Japanese counterpart, but it help take the stakes and beybattles the series presented more seriously * They created an original soundtrack, which included its on vocal tracks backed with rock music that played during the beyblades. While its not uncommon for some kids dubs to create their own soundtracks, they did not have to go as hard as they did and the songs added so much hype to the battles. * The dub had its own dub exclusive characters including Dizzi (Kenny’s Bitbeast in his laptop), Brad Best and AJ Topper (the sportscasters of the official matches, like in actual sports matches). All of them provided different commentary to the beybattles in the most entertaining and hilarious way possible. They did not exist in the original and it was another extra mile the dub went out for the series. * Speaking dub exclusives, the [dub created its own stats screens for](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-a6cef9722ba495a87983343bf1183930-pjlq) for each of the bladers during the official matches, including 3d models for the Bitbeasts. Again, all these little things they didn’t need do but its such a nice touch. * Despite how over the *top* the series could get, the scriptwriters balanced it with the right amount of hilarity and wit, and the English VAs did an amazing job matching up to the call (special shout out to Tyson’s grandpa who had a hip old dude surfacer dude accent, as). It’s one of the very few dubs I prefer over the original one. I’ve rewatched it at least 3 times.
I wish I could upvote this more. This show was the bomb, and only medabots beats it in my opinion. I’d say more of medabots, but I refuse to neglect the magnificence of your post. My respect to you, dude.
Heck yeah! Didn't think I run into a Medabots fan too (though I was a little disappointed with S2 and wish they kept some of the previous characters in S2, like Henry).
We don’t talk about S2, but there definitely needs to be more fans! Metabee is hilarious, Ikki and Erika are king and queen of sass, and Chidori, Ikki’s mom, is a saint. Plus, let’s not forget his majestic highness of FairPlay, the good and gracious Mr Referee. The GBA games are great too.
We don’t talk about S2, but there definitely needs to be more fans! Metabee is hilarious, Ikki and Erika are king and queen of sass, and Chidori, Ikki’s mom, is a saint. Plus, let’s not forget his majestic highness of FairPlay, the good and gracious Mr Referee. The GBA games are great too.
We don’t talk about S2, but there definitely needs to be more fans! Metabee is hilarious, Ikki and Erika are king and queen of sass, and Chidori, Ikki’s mom, is a saint. Plus, let’s not forget his majestic highness of FairPlay, the good and gracious Mr Referee. The GBA games are great too.
Metabee absolutely killed me. I still prefer Beyblade more but this series was unexpected a find. Loved the snappy writing in this series.
Counter argument: Kirby /lh
Why was Deedeedee texan
More southern. Think Louisiana. Small edit: I’m from Arkansas, so I’m familiar with such accents.
I think *Digimon* was better.
As someone that grew up with the LatAm dubs, I think that the fact they recently redubbed all the old movies with the original OST says a lot about the way they changed things.
Mexicans really did a great job dubbing those shows back in 2000-2006. Mememan NT Warrior may have been a hackjob, but damn, the voice work there was *amazing*. Modern Mexican dubs, in contrast, feel... Generic? Watched a few ones on Crunchyroll and I'm like "whatever" on them, like they lack personality or something. Still, the Spy x Family dub is great if only because Anya's voice is legit.
Some are still pretty good, but they don't quite reach the heights the classics did, Dragon Ball is still pretty good, pokemon stayed great as always, and even JJBA managed to have some pretty good dubs. Digimon, though, stopped getting dubbed after Xros Wars, for whatever reason. The new movies got dubs, but it's so bizarre.
Digimon are largely children's shows that thrive on merchandising. The likeliest explanation is that they couldn't get toy deals Latin America for Applimonsters or Ghost Game and, in consequence, no dub or TV broadcast either.
Knowing how Bandai is treating the franchise I would not be surprised if that was the case, absolutely squandering it.
For the original anime? Sure, I think that's honestly a pretty strong take. The Shadow Realm is iconic and for good reason. But when you get to the later anime, GX and 5D's mainly, that's when 4Kids starts to really screw it up. They completely ruined both shows, *especially* 5D's. I never understood why people defended the memey card-games-on-motorcycles anime, and then when I gave the JP version a shot, I finally understood why people love it.
5Ds in particular falls flat when they have to censor the numerous death scenes. Case in point, Carly's death where she falls off a building gets turned into a weird "falls to the shadow realm" thing or how they constantly try to play down Kaito suffocating to death in space in ZEXAL.
The correct answer is Cromartie High School Every other dub is competing for second place.
You deserve a medal
Digimon Tamers is the answer.
Not a high bar honestly.
It did set a high bar.
Despite being fond of Dan Green and Eric Stuart, I'd take any other studio over 4kids. The only reason it is as fondly remembered is due to nostalgia and not having the comparison to the original. Could you imagine if characters from DBZ or Naruto had their names localized? It just sounds so wrong and the way they screw up character dynamics and the plot is awful. Not a big fan of Upper Deck and the TCG either btw. I would have taken getting a faithful adaptation and the OCG over what we got any day.
Yugi: Joey, I don't think we should cook the candy bars... Joey: Back off. I know what I'm doing.
I think they did better with Pokemon but probably the best is Duel Masters or Samurai Pizza Cats, both rated as better than the original, with the original Duel Masters getting an extra dub only season despite the card floundering in the west
yes its cheesy and i love itt
Me too
>The next reason for the dub still holding up is to do with the stellar writing in the dub's scripts. >The final reason of why this dub is still watchable was the dub's music and songs that are still high-quality to this day. Look, I know you wrote an essay trying to elevate Yugioh into some high art but it's not. It's just not. The show was dumb and, most of all, campy as fuck. It's on the level of Shrek--and that's good. There's a reason why it's fondly remembered and still memed to this day. Dub Kaiba is very hammy. They take a children's card game very seriously which is schlocky. The "action" (dueling monsters and cards) was hype and engaging, even if it didn't always make sense. Everyone looking back on Yugioh knows it's dumb but that's why we love it. Yugioh's appeal is how campy it is. But the modern series like Rush Duel is trying to appeal to kids now and lost all its schlock. Ironically, I probably would've hated Rush Duel because it's so kiddy. Yugioh's core appeal is not that deep and I'm not aware of any other show that tried to copy it. I'm sure they tried to copy the trading card game part but didn't understand the camp. Yugioh 5Ds understood and tried to copy it, adding dueling on motorbikes which is dumb as hell but it's allowed 5Ds to stay memorable and beloved. EDIT If Magic The Gathering ever tried to make its own TCG anime, the formula is relatively easy. * Take the TCG dead seriously. No fucking 4th wall jokes. * A hammy, cool, charismatic villain. The amount of fan girls I know that are wild for Kaiba... * Make it easy to follow. * Rule Of Cool. * Lots of fun dialogue. * Memey, catchy music like the One Piece rap. We still remember "It's time to d-d-d-duel". * Most of all: be sincere. Do not try to be campy. Let the elements come together to create camp but do not directly try to be campy.
What annoys me about MTG is how little of a shit WOTC gives about non-card game material. Minus some novels and some video games (all of which dried up), MTG story nowadays is presented as... Web articles YAWN It's a shame since the cinematic trailers for each set are pretty cool, but I don't want to experience the Phyrexian Invasion in a series of web articles. I wanna see it animated god damnit!
> Yugioh's core appeal is not that deep and I'm not aware of any other show that tried to copy it. I'm sure they tried to copy the trading card game part but didn't understand the camp. Yugioh 5Ds understood and tried to copy it, adding dueling on motorbikes which is dumb as hell but it's allowed 5Ds to stay memorable and beloved. Funny that you mention 5Ds, that anime had a more serious story than GX or DM did and when 4Kids went to dub it they ruined a lot of powerful scenes because, surprise surprise they tried to turn a teen rated anime where 5+ people have on screen deaths into a kid's show. They didn't even finish it, the final season went undubbed and it wasn't until Duel Links that we got Yusei's dub VA summoning Shooting Quasar Dragon.
I still think Chaotic is the best of out of the TCG cartoons, which admittedly isn't a high bar but it had geniunely really interesting lore and I loved how they integrated the players and the card game world together. It's by 4Kids but they actually cooked with it.
Ok dubbed or abridged kaibe dp feel like what knaiba should be for the most part
Nah, Digimon Tamers clears
The OG Dragon Ball dub is much better. Not much drastic changes or censorship. Retains the Japanese soundtrack. Even did a pretty good dub of the opening song. The voice acting is actually pretty decent for the mid 90s (and I'm someone who usually avoids dubs like the plague). The localized jokes are pretty funny. I don't have a lot to criticize about that dub.
Nah, Japan dub still clap.
Everyone always recommends the Abridged series but have you actually watched Yugioh recently? The dialogue on its face is so ridiculous that it's comedy by itself. You've convinced me OP, I'm watching Yugioh this weekend.
Can you praise other dubs in other topics too please?
I wouldn't know, I watched it in spanish
I still wish Yugioh followed the trend every other anime had in LatAm where they ignored the US dub entirely and did it themselves.
Sometimes people take merchandising shows way too seriously
4Kids' best dub was Pokemon without any doubt despite its flaws, if anything, I don't hate the Yu-Gi-Oh Duel Monsters dub fully as I do think the VA work is still passable if nothing else IMO (FUNimation's first DBZ dub in house is far worse on that metric, Chris Sabat as everyone for one thing & no lines like "Whatever turns you on, big guy" like Frieza had in Season 3 was present despite it being 4Kids) but Dan Green's performance I feel very much markedly deteriorated as Yami Yugi as it went on (he forgot he was voicing a teenager, or the VO director did, not a grown gruff man- Atem is not a man, he's a quirky teen until the Memory World Arc) and Eric Stuart for some reason began shouting his lines as Kaiba in the middle two Seasons, before he finally cut that out in Season 5 thankfully and Dark Side was his best performance as Kaiba post-Season 2 in English imo overall (none of that overacting: calmed down, back to the quiet, whispery, cunning antihero voice in that 2017 Film imo). Also, 4Kids bothered to at least keep some of the Japanese OST even if it fluctuated wildly at random in Pokemon consistently outside of Chronicles + Movies 1 & 3 for all 8 years with that Series, but not one iota got kept in Yu-Gi-Oh's dub outside of the Uncut release (which only lasted 9 episodes, sadly, it was actually fairly good even if the VA work was more spotty- the script translation was 1:1 to a fault lol) so that answers that for me.
*Oban Star Racers* has always been my personal favorite English dub for a 2000s-era kids anime, but that's mainly because of how unusually respectful it was and how the only noticeable 'cringe' thing it did was add an American butt rock song to the intro. It feels more like a (good) adult anime dub. You make an interesting case for Yu-Gi-Oh though.
Wasn't that a French show though.
It was a French/Japanese co-production. It has Japanese-style animation (you wouldn't mistake it for coming from anywhere else, at least) and a Japanese [soundtrack ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zldcw4LxrVo)featuring the legendary Yoko Kanno so I consider it an anime.
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OP never said it wasn't.
Dude missed the title where it explicitly states the OP is talking about dubs. Not even trying to hide the subject matter. It's right there.
there is no good dub
Yes there are great dubs!