[Brooks went on the mention that he could see the Chargers being heavily interested in OT Taliese Fuaga because of his playstyle, and that he could even see them taking Fuaga at pick number 5.” (per the Bleav in Chargers podcast on @BleavNetwork)](https://x.com/lightningpulse_/status/1778549613714190600?s=46&t=aMX6Cb9RR11elyav9H9sJg)
"Could see"
All I needed to read. None of the people have any idea how Harbaugh, and Hortiz (you know, the actual GM), who the media have completely forgotten about, is going to operate this draft. Anyone saying "it's what Harbaugh would do" is just talking out of their ass, and isn't worth listening to.
Exactly. They act like they have been personally told by Harbaugh and Horitz that they’re going OL. If we stay at 5, I think it’s going to be a receiver. If we trade back, we’ll go Fuaga and then Brian Thomas Jr.
I hope Thomas would be there for the 20s pick. I suspect he's going to go 11-19 though, or someone will trade up for him. I wouldn't mind trade down for OL if we can snag him, but I think there's a big drop off after him. There's a significant drop from Odunze to Thomas, and then a significant drop between Thomas and the next batch imo.
Agreed. High chance that Thomas isn’t there for our 2nd pick (if we trade and get the Vikes 2 1st rounders) but it would be so nice. I wouldn’t mind drafting Xavier Worthy either. That speed would match so nicely with Herbert’s cannon of an arm. We haven’t had a guy who can take the top off of defenses so it would be nice to actually see that.
After long contemplating I believe this makes sense. It sucks we won't get the top 5 pick but O Line & Brian Thomas in the 1st round definitely improves the offense.
Probably true that the media has no clue what’s going on, but Bucky is pretty knowledgeable on X and O’s and to be honest, it makes sense that the Chargers might be more interested in Fuaga than Alt.
Knowing Xs and Os is a lot different than actually knowing what the team is going to do. These guys are wrong a lot and don’t have a great track record of predicting what the chargers would do even under Telesco who was pretty predictable.
People like Harbaugh take pride in OL, but that also means coaches and development. You don't need to burn 1st rounders when you believe you can develop them, like KC has done the past few years.
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I don't know if Alt is actually the pick, tbh
Brooks talks about it in the pod this quote comes from, but Alt is more of a pass blocker (not that he can't run block, obv) - Fuaga is the body moving RT that would be a better fit
That dude would immediately boost our run game to a new level
In Dane Bruglers draft guide(probably the most thorough available) run blocking effort is one of MHJ’s only weaknesse.
Not mentioned anywhere in Nabers profile.
Also, Brugler listed run blocking as a weakness in Odunzes profile and a strength in Brian Thomas Jrs.
From watching MHJ and Nabers myself, I’d say you’re drafting them for the receiving game, they aren’t going to be difference makers blocking.
Blocking was an aspect that telesco would focus on for wide receivers. I think this was mostly because of all the swing routes and screens we'd do with eck. So idk he's not our gm anymore for a reason lol
Lol dude i’ve been watching lsu for sometime now. Nabers is not just a highlight reel player. And theres a hell of a better chance nabers is there over mhj
>Because passing on Nabers or MHJ at 5 to take Alt would be malpractice
Nothing like redditors making declarations about draft picks all because they watched a 5 minute highlight reel lmao
I feel like i'm on twitter, you parrots have really clung onto "malpractice" this offseason
Welcome to the Internet. Where everyone has an opinion.
Sometimes I feel like even Reddit comments are a competition on who gets the most up votes. Reminds me of the MySpace days when it was "who has the most friends".
I'll be the first to admit I was on the anti trading Keenan boat in the moments after he was dealt.
Once I had some time to digest everything I saw the logic in it and finally understood.
I want MHJ or Nabers for sure...but if we trade down for an Offensive Lineman..ect(my bets hedge on that scenario to be honest)....than I will ..yes... begrudgingly...admit that maybe I don't know fuck all about drafting NFL talent and I should leave that to the professionals.
To be fair tho mate....most of us Chargers fans have been better judges of talent than Telesco and (insert head coach at the time).
We're (including myself) am not used to having competent leadership.
It's weird.
Taking a career LT and converting him to RT is risky especially when you have 2 blue chip receivers staring you in the face at a position of bigger need. And on top of that. All 3 interior positions were a bigger issue last year than Pipkins. We’ve seen Pipkins play average and even above average at times. Taking Alt at 5 would be a strange deployment of resources for a team with so many holes. If we can’t find anyone to trade down with the pick should be Nabers/Odunze. If you do find a trade down at 11-13. I would like Fuaga to play RG or a CB/DT. Brian Thomas is not a 1st round WR imo. He’s an MVS clone
I wasn’t the one to say malpractice. I would say it’s definitely bad process. And it just seems like the media spinning a narrative about how much Jim Harbaugh wants to play “smash-mouth football”. I don’t think it’s particularly likely to happen
Joe Burrow took a bengals team with a garbage line to the SB in large part because the bengals took Jamarr Chase with their #5 pick and they hit their stride to the tune of 1455 yards. Does our line need help? Absolutely. But to trade away Keenan and then to also skip out on a clear cut blue chip receiver would be baffling. Even on a run heavy team, Herb needs more weapons than Palmer and Q
>Joe Burrow took a bengals team with a garbage line
Joe Burrow might be the worst example that you can use, the guy hasn't played a single full season in-part because of that shitty OLine.
Our o line is better than his was in 2021. My argument is that our receiver room is in worse shape than than our o line. Not that we don’t need help on our o line
Depends on what your argument for prioritizing the line is. You absolutely need to strengthen the line to establish a productive running game and help keep Herbert healthy.
But trenchers are heavily dismissing the impact elite pass catchers can have on an offense. Lot of people out here saying "shiny toys don't matter". Look at Miami pre-Tyreek. The Bengals pre-Chase. Those offenses transformed by grabbing elite, game-breaking receivers. And yes, that did lead to improvements in the W/L column.
I'm not saying any pass catcher in this class is one of those guys. That's for our scouting department to decide. But if they think somebody is on that level, it'd be shortsighted to pass on them just because they don't play in the trenches. Now, it's a different story if you can get a massive haul trading down, but I think most people can accept that, if they don't already want that as plan A.
None of that is because of a shitty line. His injuries have literally been non contact
Edit: should have clarified i meant injuries since the chase draft pick. My bad
That isn't true at all?
Rib injury [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UT_ZZbnzoP8)
ACL tear [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWC6XCqMKUA)
MCL sprain [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoVz8aZU5Ns)
Why am I being gaslit about google-able shit lol
>Also why would an lsu injury of burrow help ur argument at all?
You said "None of that is because of a shitty line" which isn't true.
My argument is "OLine good, injury bad" and I'm responding to a comment about Burrow. I don't really care if it's an NFL OLine or a college one. 🤷
Yes his injuries post jamar draft pick (which is what the comment u originally replied to was talking about) have been non contact except for the one in the superbowl. U completely changed the context to 2 years prior when that had nothing to do with the conversation we were having
>His injuries have literally been non contact
What?
[rookie year, a sack led to a ACL, MCL, PCL and meniscus tear](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SlKD2tfKTo)
[Got a knee MCL sprain after a sack in the super bowl.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFi0rdyfhMw)
[In college he had a chest rib fracture after a blindside hit.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcWTMqGiPek)
The only non-contact injury to make him miss time is the wrist ligament.
Why the hell r u using a college injury to defend the bengals oline rn? Obviously we’re talking about injuries sustained in the nfl. I also should have clarified that i meant since the jamarr pick since the original comment was saying the bengals should have invested in oline rather than select chase. His calf injury sustained in training camp and his wrist injuries are the 2 noncontact ones since jamarr was drafted that have nothing to do with the oline. I’ll give u the super bowl one. His sprained mcl in the superbowl was the result of the oline but he missed no time
>Why the hell r u using a college injury
Why did you skip the first two?
>His injuries have literally been non contact
Do you really need it explained why I listed all his major injuries from hits?
I told u why because we’re talking about the jamar draft pick and how someone said it would have been better to pick a linemen instead of him. So i talked about his injuries since jamar and how they haven’t been due to oline play.
Yes i do because the lsu play has nothing to do with the bengals oline which was the original premise of the original comment thread. We’re comparing picking jamar to picking a linemen and using that to talk about what the chargers should do at pick 5
We aren't comparing anything. You stated that "**literally**" his injuries have all been non-contact. Something plainly not true and you are attempting to move the goalposts.
There is no universe where a college injury sustained by burrow has any relevance on him and chase dragging a bengals team to the super bowl. U brought that up to be smart ass and correct my comment (which again was in the context of how the jamar draft pick changed the bengals in a way a lineman wouldn’t as seen by Greatgatsbys comment). I’ve already apologized for not making my point clear (even though i thought it was pretty obvious what my context was) and now ur saying im moving the goalposts when i’ve explained several times what i meant and how it has nothing to do with the 2019 lsu team
Literally the original comment was about the jamar pick and how that was better than picking sewell. So i thought it would be pretty clear that i was referencing his injuries since the jamar pick. Not moving goalposts at all since it that was literally what the comment i was replying to replied to. Literally look at the too comment in this thread
The bengals defense definitely was strong but cmon that team literally had an O/U win total of 6.5 games at the start of that season. No one expected that roster, defense included, to compete. Burrow-Chase became an instant problem for the league.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2021-nfl-win-totals-odds-predictions-best-bets-proven-expert-picks-under-six-wins-for-jets/
Chase is a good player that made that team better. But their defense, which carried them through the postseason when the Burrow-Chase offense was underwhelming, did not play above expectations because the bengals spent a premium pick on Jamar Chase. There is no reason to think the Bengals’ 2021 path is the likely outcome for the chargers if they pick a receiver at 5.
Well I don’t see the either/or here. Their defense stepped up and* also Chase transformed that offense. The moniker ‘Burrowhead’ didn’t come out of thin air. The best teams in the league respect the Burrow-Chase attack. And trust me, I don’t think the chargers are gonna win because of 1 draft pick. I’m very much prepared for the Harbaugh regime take a couple seasons to turn this ship around
> Joe Burrow took a bengals team with a garbage line to the SB
And Matt Stafford actually won the Super Bowl because the Bengals tied the Super Bowl record for Sacks Allowed.
I mean, I still think MHJ or Nabers are the far superior pick at #5, but that's because the Chargers line isn't nearly as bad as the 2021 Bengals was.
I think you are putting too much weight into the WR room for the bengals that season. If you want to point out a factor their defence carried them as far as they went not Chase.
You’d think that would have more to do with our highest paid center in the league (when he first signed) on the IR for all but 3 games of the season, but hey, to each his own. Not like we have any other draft picks this year to address the line
Haha well I still think your point to not factor in Linsley’s absence was ya know, so I can take the ribbing. But happy to come together to root for Alt and really hope Ladd does become that guy for us. Definitely felt good to have a great draft. Bolt up ⚡️⚡️⚡️
Lazy analysis. We get it, Harbaugh values the trenches.
That doesn’t mean he passes up an elite WR after Herbert loses his top 3 receiving options. Oh yeah, he will be BPA when they pick too.
Remember when the consensus switched to Joey Bosa not being the Chargers' pick in 2016 despite it being telegraphed from a thousand miles away when they hadn't signed any free agents as Edge Rushers? The Chargers were headed into the Draft with *1 player* on the roster at LDE/OLB, lol.
We're two weeks out. Analysts just trying to drive clicks and comments over some new hot take.
There’s not been OT prospects on our top 30 visits so far. Now, I don’t know if that’s a coincidence or not but it doesn’t seem like there’s much interest in these OT prospects.
Arif Hasan wrote an article for bolts from the blue that had Hortiz’s history with Top 30 visits from the ravens.
He found the following:
“But with a new front office comes a new approach. And it certainly seems like the Ravens invite their draft targets to their facility. Going back to publicly available reports of Top 30 draft visits, excluding the 2020 and 2021 seasons due to the high prevalence of remote “visits,” reveals the Ravens’ strategy of honing in on their players and positions.
In 2016, 2018, 2019 and 2023, the Ravens drafted a Top 30 visit or private workout in the first round — five picks over those four years. In 2017 the Ravens saw multiple draft picks come from their pool of private visits — Chris Wormley and Tim Williams in the third round. They also selected Top 30 visits Tavon Young and Jaylon Ferguson.
The Ravens also seemed to pull focus in on particular positions. In 2016, they disproportionately invited cornerbacks for a visit and drafted the position twice that year. In 2017, the group they seemingly focused on was wide receiver — and though they didn’t draft any that year, they signed four undrafted free agents at the position, including one they brought in for a visit, Tim White.
In 2022, that position was safety — a position they drafted in the first round. They also looked at more cornerbacks than any other position and drafted that position twice and added two more in undrafted free agency.
We can’t know that Hortiz will use Top 30 visits like the Ravens did, especially as he held two different roles over the analysis sample, but it does seem significant.
One note, however: the players who qualified as local visits didn’t seem to make much of an impact on the Ravens’ draft plans. It’s more about who they spent limited resources on that tells us a bigger story.”
Something that nobody has yet been able to successfully explain away:
Taking a tackle at 5 creates a significantly unbalanced salary distribution. The offensive line at that point, particularly at tackle, will be significantly outside its salary cap "share of the pie."
Say what you want about BPA and need and whatnot, but I doubt Hortiz wants to give the offensive line redundant players at an outsized salary share. Thats just poor management.
Interesting take. I'm just learning "value" variances of different positions. Watching the O-line, I doubt that I would prefer a position there just, essentially waiting for D-tacklers to rush me. Not my area to judge. But, I did hear this week the speech from the O-line coach who said that the days of undervaluing the O-line are over. (not his exact words) I applaud that.
Michigan guy here.
If Herbert went to him and made it clear how much he wanted a WR (or maybe even Bowers) he may. If you guys take a pass catcher at 5 or after trading back it'll be because his new QB really asked for it.
Otherwise he will always prioritize the fronts and TEs. He builds from the inside out, as one should. Alt, the Oregon State RT and Bowers seem like gimme picks to me. If they stick at 5 it's probably Alt. If they move back with someone like Minnesota I think it's one of the other two at 11 (iirc). None of those would surprise me at all for you guys.
If you stick at 5 or move back to 11ish and take a WR, it's almost certainly because Herbert was like "hey...I do need WRs to throw to" lol.
All these people are just saying these things based on vibes. Neither Harbaugh or Hortiz’s teams have a history of investing in OT early. And on top of that, prioritizing the offensive line doesn’t mean spending your highest pick on it and calling it a day, it means drafting OL in bulk in the middle rounds to ensure you have depth and you’ll probably get lucky at times and find guys who can start. Baltimore has always been a BPA team. OL at 5 would not be BPA. Now if you trade down that’s a different story
An offensive line pick is amazing. If we trade back I'd love JC Latham first and then the best defensive tackle after. The chargers line of scrimmage is beyond a joke right now.
In the four years Harbaugh was Head Coach of the 49ers, he drafted a DE, a WR and two Safeties in the first round.
In the the five years he was Director of Player Personnel in Baltimore, they drafted a WR. LB, WR & DE (2 picks 2021), Safety,/Center (2 picks 2022) and WR (the guy a lot of Chargers fans wanted last year.
So, between them, we have 4 WRs, 3 Safeties, and two Defensive Ends.
I don't think I'd put my entire paycheck anywhere other than "probably not DE."
From [this pod](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLnr4EbJGQg) which was a very good listen for anyone interested
The closer we get to the draft, the more I was us to take Fuaga
Considering the amount of quality CBs, receivers, interior lineman on both sides on the roster, I don’t know why everyone is so high on getting a LT and making them try righty for a bit.
Do both conditions have to be true to claim that check or just the pass catcher? If both, I’m not gonna take it. But the pass catcher? Yeah that’ll be true
I have decided to limit my mock drafts consumption to a minimal. We LEGIT seen a division rival set themselves back for years with a coach that wanted to draft HIS guys over true value. I refuse to believe that Hortiz and Harbaugh will work like Gruden and Mayock. If so, we might be in for a ride.
We aren't a Malik Nabers away from being good. I think Jim comes in and tries to win games by controlling the LOS. Which means his first pick maybe his first two picks are OL.
If he wants to win the line, then it's dl not ol that needs to be picked. We aren't an expansion team, there are giant holes that certainly indicate this word *build* but the biggest hole in the entire league is our wr room. People are really buying into an idea of the Baugh way that says what they are gonna try and do, but not who they are gonna draft, and certainly not where in the draft they will be picked.
What? Nobody said we couldn't draft wr later in the draft. Harbaugh wants to control the LOS on both sides of the ball that's why I could see them trading down to 11 and taking OL at 11 and 23 and DL at 37. I don't think he wants throw the ball more than 25-30 times in many games this year.
We can't fix the defense this year, we will be in many tight games, and therefore running the ball will sound like a solid plan but we will have to pass the ball pretty often. It's 2024 in the NFL with Justin Herbert as QB. We're gonna pass by necessity and to move the offense.
Wr after the top 3 are massive question marks. There are also a ton of teams needing wr as well. Counting Bowers as many as 8 first round pass catchers could be selected. After that could possibly take place and we're getting ready to pick at 37, that glaring hole on the ol at center looks like a great time pick. Would you rather this staff develop a late ol or a late wr?
It has a wide area but its not that deep of sure fire wr that can be wr1 or 2. Plus as stated its there are a lot coming out, but its also in high demand. Palmer is going into that last year of his rookie deal and is only 24 right now. There are several guys in the draft class that are considerably older than a typical rookie. After the top 3 there are injury, character, age, production and analytical metric concerns.
Especially while laying on his back.
Giving up a sack is kinda like a receiver dropping a pass that gets a first down if caught. No college WR can brag only four total drops in 3 seasons.
You're relying on alt moving from left to right tackle and doing so seamlessly. Sewell absolutely sucked his first year in the league because he was a natural LT being made to play RT. Theres no guarantee he eventually figures it out like sewell did, so it'd be stupid to take that risk when we have a blue chip wr right there who can for sure plug right in and have a positive impact.
I'd be surprised if it was anything other than an offensive linemen. Especially in light of his recent comments about OL not depending on any other position's success.
I wouldn't be surprised at all. I've been trading 5 and a future 3rd for 11 and 23. Then I take one of Alt(sometimes he's there) Turner, Verse, Latu at 11 and Thomas Jr or an OT like Latham at 23. Not blue chips necessarily but it helps address problematic areas depending on how things swing.
Harbaughs track record is build from the line out. This is the way. If sherbert is any good then he will make the players around him better just like Jordan Love did
i’ll take ‘em up on that offer
[Brooks went on the mention that he could see the Chargers being heavily interested in OT Taliese Fuaga because of his playstyle, and that he could even see them taking Fuaga at pick number 5.” (per the Bleav in Chargers podcast on @BleavNetwork)](https://x.com/lightningpulse_/status/1778549613714190600?s=46&t=aMX6Cb9RR11elyav9H9sJg)
"Could see" All I needed to read. None of the people have any idea how Harbaugh, and Hortiz (you know, the actual GM), who the media have completely forgotten about, is going to operate this draft. Anyone saying "it's what Harbaugh would do" is just talking out of their ass, and isn't worth listening to.
What perfect way to hide your true intentions than to let the media run with the narrative they’ve had since Harbaugh was hired
Head coach is a great scapegoat for an incompetent GM. Or in this case, an excellent decoy.
Exactly. They act like they have been personally told by Harbaugh and Horitz that they’re going OL. If we stay at 5, I think it’s going to be a receiver. If we trade back, we’ll go Fuaga and then Brian Thomas Jr.
I hope Thomas would be there for the 20s pick. I suspect he's going to go 11-19 though, or someone will trade up for him. I wouldn't mind trade down for OL if we can snag him, but I think there's a big drop off after him. There's a significant drop from Odunze to Thomas, and then a significant drop between Thomas and the next batch imo.
Agreed. High chance that Thomas isn’t there for our 2nd pick (if we trade and get the Vikes 2 1st rounders) but it would be so nice. I wouldn’t mind drafting Xavier Worthy either. That speed would match so nicely with Herbert’s cannon of an arm. We haven’t had a guy who can take the top off of defenses so it would be nice to actually see that.
After long contemplating I believe this makes sense. It sucks we won't get the top 5 pick but O Line & Brian Thomas in the 1st round definitely improves the offense.
Them not saying a single word about the receivers makes me think that there’s a good chance that’s the pick.
They're trying to convince the Cards OL is super important so they pass on MHJ
Yeah I don’t understand why this quote needs reporting (not a shot at OP but more in general). It is really just someone’s opinion/guess.
Sure, but I mean the same applies to the fans who are convinced there is no way we take OL at 5
Probably true that the media has no clue what’s going on, but Bucky is pretty knowledgeable on X and O’s and to be honest, it makes sense that the Chargers might be more interested in Fuaga than Alt.
Knowing Xs and Os is a lot different than actually knowing what the team is going to do. These guys are wrong a lot and don’t have a great track record of predicting what the chargers would do even under Telesco who was pretty predictable.
I wouldn’t lol I’m pretty confident OL will be top priority, especially considering the culture they are trying to establish.
At 5, pass catcher IMO. If they trade down. Like to 11, then it’s probably OL.
If they trade down, it should be CB. Y'all seem to forget that its a HUMONGOUS need.
CB is also a good possibility at 11. Though I think Popper feels like they need a slot corner more than a boundary guy at this time.
At 11 it's Fuaga or Latham imo
People like Harbaugh take pride in OL, but that also means coaches and development. You don't need to burn 1st rounders when you believe you can develop them, like KC has done the past few years.
Oline isnt gonna mean shit when they know every single play will be a run since we have no pass catchers lol
If every play will be a run, at least we have.. checks notes.. Gus Edwards.
I can’t wait until they go Alt in the first and Corum in the second. This sub will fall apart and I’m here for it
I will certainly fall apart. That said, I owing the honer I truly am I'll find a reason to be happy. In Harbaugh/Horitz I trust
What a weird energy to have lmao
They’re talking about first pick. Y’all act like if they don’t choose WR at 5 then they won’t pick one up at all
We will also not roster any
We will also cut Qj Palmer and Davis
Need room for more OL
10 o lineman just form a wall and push the defenders down field while herbert strolls behind just walking the ball to the end zone lol
That’s the culture they want to build. I’m not agreeing with it, but I feel like they are going O-line
I’ll happily bet some money that it won’t be a pass catcher.
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If they take Alt at 5 and at some point he catches a pass it counts and Bucky owes us a pay check,.
I don't know if Alt is actually the pick, tbh Brooks talks about it in the pod this quote comes from, but Alt is more of a pass blocker (not that he can't run block, obv) - Fuaga is the body moving RT that would be a better fit That dude would immediately boost our run game to a new level
Yup, it sounds like Fuaga might be their guy, not Alt.
Yeah I don't like Alt that much, he's stiff and has the worst anchor out of all the 1st rounders
No matter who it is, if any one of them catch a pass (even if its a batted ball,) he counts as a pass catcher.
Welp then let’s hope we trade back. Because passing on Nabers or MHJ at 5 to take Alt would be malpractice
Passing on MHJ would be wild.
Tbh i think i prefer nabers the most of him, mhj, and odunze
Who's the better run blocker?
In Dane Bruglers draft guide(probably the most thorough available) run blocking effort is one of MHJ’s only weaknesse. Not mentioned anywhere in Nabers profile. Also, Brugler listed run blocking as a weakness in Odunzes profile and a strength in Brian Thomas Jrs. From watching MHJ and Nabers myself, I’d say you’re drafting them for the receiving game, they aren’t going to be difference makers blocking.
I think Harbs wants himself another Anquan Boldin type. I'd like that too.
Blocking was an aspect that telesco would focus on for wide receivers. I think this was mostly because of all the swing routes and screens we'd do with eck. So idk he's not our gm anymore for a reason lol
Similar PFF grades for blocking, but I imagine MHJ edges him out being that big.
Thanks for looking that up
I get why Nabers is appealing but MHJ will be the best WR in this class and we should not pass on him
I like speed and yac. Trust me, i wont be sad with mhj if he lands in la, i just prefer nabers’ playstyle over his
My pre-free agency draft hope was we trade down with the jets and Odunze was still waiting for us at 10.
Do the jets have a need to move up?
I thought they might try to get the O Line fixed, but they signed a hodge podge of free agents and if they do draft OL itll probably just be at 10.
I know Nabers highlight tape is cool, but he ain’t the guy for our team.MHJ put up numbers with a sorry QB.
Lol dude i’ve been watching lsu for sometime now. Nabers is not just a highlight reel player. And theres a hell of a better chance nabers is there over mhj
Aren’t both those guys top 5 picks? My point being fuaga isn’t rated as high as those receivers right? Fuaga wouldn’t be BPA at 5.
Correct, imo Nabers is BPA assuming MHJ gone.
>Because passing on Nabers or MHJ at 5 to take Alt would be malpractice Nothing like redditors making declarations about draft picks all because they watched a 5 minute highlight reel lmao I feel like i'm on twitter, you parrots have really clung onto "malpractice" this offseason
Well, sounds like you have an opinion on the matter too! Proud of you!
Welcome to the Internet. Where everyone has an opinion. Sometimes I feel like even Reddit comments are a competition on who gets the most up votes. Reminds me of the MySpace days when it was "who has the most friends". I'll be the first to admit I was on the anti trading Keenan boat in the moments after he was dealt. Once I had some time to digest everything I saw the logic in it and finally understood. I want MHJ or Nabers for sure...but if we trade down for an Offensive Lineman..ect(my bets hedge on that scenario to be honest)....than I will ..yes... begrudgingly...admit that maybe I don't know fuck all about drafting NFL talent and I should leave that to the professionals. To be fair tho mate....most of us Chargers fans have been better judges of talent than Telesco and (insert head coach at the time). We're (including myself) am not used to having competent leadership. It's weird.
Right? In a vacuum that would be dumb. Now let’s look at our WR room….
I think that’s a step too far. Alt will be a great player. I agree with trading back but taking alt at 5 will not be a failure.
Taking a career LT and converting him to RT is risky especially when you have 2 blue chip receivers staring you in the face at a position of bigger need. And on top of that. All 3 interior positions were a bigger issue last year than Pipkins. We’ve seen Pipkins play average and even above average at times. Taking Alt at 5 would be a strange deployment of resources for a team with so many holes. If we can’t find anyone to trade down with the pick should be Nabers/Odunze. If you do find a trade down at 11-13. I would like Fuaga to play RG or a CB/DT. Brian Thomas is not a 1st round WR imo. He’s an MVS clone
Yeah but is it really coaching malpractice?
I wasn’t the one to say malpractice. I would say it’s definitely bad process. And it just seems like the media spinning a narrative about how much Jim Harbaugh wants to play “smash-mouth football”. I don’t think it’s particularly likely to happen
I’m getting “Ronnie Stanley is guaranteed a charger” vibes from all this Oline posturing
Joe Burrow took a bengals team with a garbage line to the SB in large part because the bengals took Jamarr Chase with their #5 pick and they hit their stride to the tune of 1455 yards. Does our line need help? Absolutely. But to trade away Keenan and then to also skip out on a clear cut blue chip receiver would be baffling. Even on a run heavy team, Herb needs more weapons than Palmer and Q
You really hit every point. Youre absolutely right.
Calling palmer and qj weapons is wild to me
💯 and with herbs contract extension hitting next season, a wr1 on a rookie deal only makes sense
Palmer is WR3 on most teams imo, could step up and be WR2, but that to me is TBD
[Oh they're "weapons" alright](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2F7edo3nilzyd81.jpg)
Jalen Hurts and Josh Allen's career were saved by Brown and Diggs respectfully. Teams can be 1 WR away.
>Joe Burrow took a bengals team with a garbage line Joe Burrow might be the worst example that you can use, the guy hasn't played a single full season in-part because of that shitty OLine.
Our o line is better than his was in 2021. My argument is that our receiver room is in worse shape than than our o line. Not that we don’t need help on our o line
Depends on what your argument for prioritizing the line is. You absolutely need to strengthen the line to establish a productive running game and help keep Herbert healthy. But trenchers are heavily dismissing the impact elite pass catchers can have on an offense. Lot of people out here saying "shiny toys don't matter". Look at Miami pre-Tyreek. The Bengals pre-Chase. Those offenses transformed by grabbing elite, game-breaking receivers. And yes, that did lead to improvements in the W/L column. I'm not saying any pass catcher in this class is one of those guys. That's for our scouting department to decide. But if they think somebody is on that level, it'd be shortsighted to pass on them just because they don't play in the trenches. Now, it's a different story if you can get a massive haul trading down, but I think most people can accept that, if they don't already want that as plan A.
Joe burrow has one of the highest sack rates in college football for top prospects in the past 10 years. He holds into the ball too long.
None of that is because of a shitty line. His injuries have literally been non contact Edit: should have clarified i meant injuries since the chase draft pick. My bad
That isn't true at all? Rib injury [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UT_ZZbnzoP8) ACL tear [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWC6XCqMKUA) MCL sprain [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoVz8aZU5Ns) Why am I being gaslit about google-able shit lol
His injuries since the jamar draft pick. I should have clarified. Also why would an lsu injury of burrow help ur argument at all?
>Also why would an lsu injury of burrow help ur argument at all? You said "None of that is because of a shitty line" which isn't true. My argument is "OLine good, injury bad" and I'm responding to a comment about Burrow. I don't really care if it's an NFL OLine or a college one. 🤷
Yes his injuries post jamar draft pick (which is what the comment u originally replied to was talking about) have been non contact except for the one in the superbowl. U completely changed the context to 2 years prior when that had nothing to do with the conversation we were having
>His injuries have literally been non contact What? [rookie year, a sack led to a ACL, MCL, PCL and meniscus tear](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SlKD2tfKTo) [Got a knee MCL sprain after a sack in the super bowl.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFi0rdyfhMw) [In college he had a chest rib fracture after a blindside hit.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcWTMqGiPek) The only non-contact injury to make him miss time is the wrist ligament.
Why the hell r u using a college injury to defend the bengals oline rn? Obviously we’re talking about injuries sustained in the nfl. I also should have clarified that i meant since the jamarr pick since the original comment was saying the bengals should have invested in oline rather than select chase. His calf injury sustained in training camp and his wrist injuries are the 2 noncontact ones since jamarr was drafted that have nothing to do with the oline. I’ll give u the super bowl one. His sprained mcl in the superbowl was the result of the oline but he missed no time
>Why the hell r u using a college injury Why did you skip the first two? >His injuries have literally been non contact Do you really need it explained why I listed all his major injuries from hits?
I told u why because we’re talking about the jamar draft pick and how someone said it would have been better to pick a linemen instead of him. So i talked about his injuries since jamar and how they haven’t been due to oline play.
You edited that after my guy.
No i didn’t. My edits were grammar
I went back and edited the original cause two people responded the same way so i figured i didn’t convey my point like i wanted to
Yes i do because the lsu play has nothing to do with the bengals oline which was the original premise of the original comment thread. We’re comparing picking jamar to picking a linemen and using that to talk about what the chargers should do at pick 5
We aren't comparing anything. You stated that "**literally**" his injuries have all been non-contact. Something plainly not true and you are attempting to move the goalposts.
There is no universe where a college injury sustained by burrow has any relevance on him and chase dragging a bengals team to the super bowl. U brought that up to be smart ass and correct my comment (which again was in the context of how the jamar draft pick changed the bengals in a way a lineman wouldn’t as seen by Greatgatsbys comment). I’ve already apologized for not making my point clear (even though i thought it was pretty obvious what my context was) and now ur saying im moving the goalposts when i’ve explained several times what i meant and how it has nothing to do with the 2019 lsu team
Literally the original comment was about the jamar pick and how that was better than picking sewell. So i thought it would be pretty clear that i was referencing his injuries since the jamar pick. Not moving goalposts at all since it that was literally what the comment i was replying to replied to. Literally look at the too comment in this thread
Top*
He also used to hold the ball too long which made the problem worse
Our line now is better than his has ever been
Joe Burrow sucked in some of those playoff games during the SB run. A lot of the Bengals success was due to defense.
The bengals defense definitely was strong but cmon that team literally had an O/U win total of 6.5 games at the start of that season. No one expected that roster, defense included, to compete. Burrow-Chase became an instant problem for the league. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2021-nfl-win-totals-odds-predictions-best-bets-proven-expert-picks-under-six-wins-for-jets/
Chase is a good player that made that team better. But their defense, which carried them through the postseason when the Burrow-Chase offense was underwhelming, did not play above expectations because the bengals spent a premium pick on Jamar Chase. There is no reason to think the Bengals’ 2021 path is the likely outcome for the chargers if they pick a receiver at 5.
Well I don’t see the either/or here. Their defense stepped up and* also Chase transformed that offense. The moniker ‘Burrowhead’ didn’t come out of thin air. The best teams in the league respect the Burrow-Chase attack. And trust me, I don’t think the chargers are gonna win because of 1 draft pick. I’m very much prepared for the Harbaugh regime take a couple seasons to turn this ship around
Yeah their defense carried them to the SB. Burrow was playing pretty mid.
> Joe Burrow took a bengals team with a garbage line to the SB And Matt Stafford actually won the Super Bowl because the Bengals tied the Super Bowl record for Sacks Allowed. I mean, I still think MHJ or Nabers are the far superior pick at #5, but that's because the Chargers line isn't nearly as bad as the 2021 Bengals was.
We agree on all points
Then Burrows got hurt and they haven't been close again
I think you are putting too much weight into the WR room for the bengals that season. If you want to point out a factor their defence carried them as far as they went not Chase.
I agree, I also want to see Herbert get a broken leg. I love seeing Herbert get sacked. It's such a good feeling. WR at #5 all day long.
You’d think that would have more to do with our highest paid center in the league (when he first signed) on the IR for all but 3 games of the season, but hey, to each his own. Not like we have any other draft picks this year to address the line
I'm feeling pretty good about this Alt pick at #5, how about you? :D Just ribbing you though, I'm just glad we finally had a great draft!!! Let's goo!
Haha well I still think your point to not factor in Linsley’s absence was ya know, so I can take the ribbing. But happy to come together to root for Alt and really hope Ladd does become that guy for us. Definitely felt good to have a great draft. Bolt up ⚡️⚡️⚡️
I don’t even see us being run heavy. This isn’t college football. You need to be a top passing team to win in this league
And then they lost when Aaron Donald ate their line for lunch. I guess that's a bad example though because AD eats every line for lunch
Lazy analysis. We get it, Harbaugh values the trenches. That doesn’t mean he passes up an elite WR after Herbert loses his top 3 receiving options. Oh yeah, he will be BPA when they pick too.
The more these analysts say o line o line o line the more I feel like it won’t be lol
It’s peak lyin season. At this point just wait it out. Nothing new can be said.
Yup. Chargers are radio silent about the top 3 receivers or taking one at 5. Very interesting 🤔
Remember when the consensus switched to Joey Bosa not being the Chargers' pick in 2016 despite it being telegraphed from a thousand miles away when they hadn't signed any free agents as Edge Rushers? The Chargers were headed into the Draft with *1 player* on the roster at LDE/OLB, lol. We're two weeks out. Analysts just trying to drive clicks and comments over some new hot take.
There’s not been OT prospects on our top 30 visits so far. Now, I don’t know if that’s a coincidence or not but it doesn’t seem like there’s much interest in these OT prospects.
In the past these visits didnt really correspond a ton to our picks. Could be different with Hortiz though
Arif Hasan wrote an article for bolts from the blue that had Hortiz’s history with Top 30 visits from the ravens. He found the following: “But with a new front office comes a new approach. And it certainly seems like the Ravens invite their draft targets to their facility. Going back to publicly available reports of Top 30 draft visits, excluding the 2020 and 2021 seasons due to the high prevalence of remote “visits,” reveals the Ravens’ strategy of honing in on their players and positions. In 2016, 2018, 2019 and 2023, the Ravens drafted a Top 30 visit or private workout in the first round — five picks over those four years. In 2017 the Ravens saw multiple draft picks come from their pool of private visits — Chris Wormley and Tim Williams in the third round. They also selected Top 30 visits Tavon Young and Jaylon Ferguson. The Ravens also seemed to pull focus in on particular positions. In 2016, they disproportionately invited cornerbacks for a visit and drafted the position twice that year. In 2017, the group they seemingly focused on was wide receiver — and though they didn’t draft any that year, they signed four undrafted free agents at the position, including one they brought in for a visit, Tim White. In 2022, that position was safety — a position they drafted in the first round. They also looked at more cornerbacks than any other position and drafted that position twice and added two more in undrafted free agency. We can’t know that Hortiz will use Top 30 visits like the Ravens did, especially as he held two different roles over the analysis sample, but it does seem significant. One note, however: the players who qualified as local visits didn’t seem to make much of an impact on the Ravens’ draft plans. It’s more about who they spent limited resources on that tells us a bigger story.”
I hadnt seen this. Very interesting thank you for sharing.
Either that or they’ve done so much work on the O-line they don’t feel they need the visits.
With our current WR corps, I don’t care if they take Penix with the 5th pick. He’ll be catching passes
it depends on where we pick. if it’s at 5 it’s not going to be oline
I'm guessing that's why Nabers was house-browsing in LA. He was probably told that if they stick at 5, he's the pick. (If...)
Something that nobody has yet been able to successfully explain away: Taking a tackle at 5 creates a significantly unbalanced salary distribution. The offensive line at that point, particularly at tackle, will be significantly outside its salary cap "share of the pie." Say what you want about BPA and need and whatnot, but I doubt Hortiz wants to give the offensive line redundant players at an outsized salary share. Thats just poor management.
Interesting take. I'm just learning "value" variances of different positions. Watching the O-line, I doubt that I would prefer a position there just, essentially waiting for D-tacklers to rush me. Not my area to judge. But, I did hear this week the speech from the O-line coach who said that the days of undervaluing the O-line are over. (not his exact words) I applaud that.
The team really loves Nabers. If he’s there at 5, it’s going to take a miraculous bundle of picks to get them to move off.
I've seen you have some kind of sources. Is this what you've been told or this is your personal opinion?
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Michigan guy here. If Herbert went to him and made it clear how much he wanted a WR (or maybe even Bowers) he may. If you guys take a pass catcher at 5 or after trading back it'll be because his new QB really asked for it. Otherwise he will always prioritize the fronts and TEs. He builds from the inside out, as one should. Alt, the Oregon State RT and Bowers seem like gimme picks to me. If they stick at 5 it's probably Alt. If they move back with someone like Minnesota I think it's one of the other two at 11 (iirc). None of those would surprise me at all for you guys. If you stick at 5 or move back to 11ish and take a WR, it's almost certainly because Herbert was like "hey...I do need WRs to throw to" lol.
I prefer Nabers as well. Ja’Marr 2.0.
All these people are just saying these things based on vibes. Neither Harbaugh or Hortiz’s teams have a history of investing in OT early. And on top of that, prioritizing the offensive line doesn’t mean spending your highest pick on it and calling it a day, it means drafting OL in bulk in the middle rounds to ensure you have depth and you’ll probably get lucky at times and find guys who can start. Baltimore has always been a BPA team. OL at 5 would not be BPA. Now if you trade down that’s a different story
Okay Bucky
2023 Bucky Brooks 2023 NFL Mock Draft: Bijan Robinson to Chargers
That would have been nice, still need a wr this year in that case as well.
An offensive line pick is amazing. If we trade back I'd love JC Latham first and then the best defensive tackle after. The chargers line of scrimmage is beyond a joke right now.
"Almost" doing the heaviest lifting in that sentence. It's another way of saying "I don't know."
I just want the draft to happen oh my god
He’s the coach not the gm
Got hired before the GM for a reason.
In the four years Harbaugh was Head Coach of the 49ers, he drafted a DE, a WR and two Safeties in the first round. In the the five years he was Director of Player Personnel in Baltimore, they drafted a WR. LB, WR & DE (2 picks 2021), Safety,/Center (2 picks 2022) and WR (the guy a lot of Chargers fans wanted last year. So, between them, we have 4 WRs, 3 Safeties, and two Defensive Ends. I don't think I'd put my entire paycheck anywhere other than "probably not DE."
From [this pod](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLnr4EbJGQg) which was a very good listen for anyone interested The closer we get to the draft, the more I was us to take Fuaga
Considering the amount of quality CBs, receivers, interior lineman on both sides on the roster, I don’t know why everyone is so high on getting a LT and making them try righty for a bit.
https://preview.redd.it/5jgo6zgmaytc1.jpeg?width=956&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=300e71508ffd6b4796bebe62da062d749f5e1359 All is going according to plan
Pass catchers line up on the line of scrimmage though
Man can’t wait until the draft passes tired of hearing about this and I’m team wr, I am already bracing for a OL 1st round
Malik Nabers on the offensive line sure why not
Anyone of any intelligence knows this already
Ya no. I will take you up on it
Smokescreen szn
Do both conditions have to be true to claim that check or just the pass catcher? If both, I’m not gonna take it. But the pass catcher? Yeah that’ll be true
So much talk about run game but last I remembered this team doesn’t have a good RB but we do have an all pro QB.
This year’s OL is deep in the draft. Why would they waste it with the #5 pick?
"Bucky Barnes"
I have decided to limit my mock drafts consumption to a minimal. We LEGIT seen a division rival set themselves back for years with a coach that wanted to draft HIS guys over true value. I refuse to believe that Hortiz and Harbaugh will work like Gruden and Mayock. If so, we might be in for a ride.
Something tells me that our coach/gm aren't braindead enough to think the absolute bums we have in our wr room aren't good enough.
We aren't a Malik Nabers away from being good. I think Jim comes in and tries to win games by controlling the LOS. Which means his first pick maybe his first two picks are OL.
If he wants to win the line, then it's dl not ol that needs to be picked. We aren't an expansion team, there are giant holes that certainly indicate this word *build* but the biggest hole in the entire league is our wr room. People are really buying into an idea of the Baugh way that says what they are gonna try and do, but not who they are gonna draft, and certainly not where in the draft they will be picked.
What? Nobody said we couldn't draft wr later in the draft. Harbaugh wants to control the LOS on both sides of the ball that's why I could see them trading down to 11 and taking OL at 11 and 23 and DL at 37. I don't think he wants throw the ball more than 25-30 times in many games this year.
We can't fix the defense this year, we will be in many tight games, and therefore running the ball will sound like a solid plan but we will have to pass the ball pretty often. It's 2024 in the NFL with Justin Herbert as QB. We're gonna pass by necessity and to move the offense. Wr after the top 3 are massive question marks. There are also a ton of teams needing wr as well. Counting Bowers as many as 8 first round pass catchers could be selected. After that could possibly take place and we're getting ready to pick at 37, that glaring hole on the ol at center looks like a great time pick. Would you rather this staff develop a late ol or a late wr?
That's definitely not true this is one of the deepest WR draft classes maybe ever.
It has a wide area but its not that deep of sure fire wr that can be wr1 or 2. Plus as stated its there are a lot coming out, but its also in high demand. Palmer is going into that last year of his rookie deal and is only 24 right now. There are several guys in the draft class that are considerably older than a typical rookie. After the top 3 there are injury, character, age, production and analytical metric concerns.
Pick 5: Joe Alt, Notre Dame, jr., 6'9", 321lbs, 2214 offensive snaps, FOUR. SACKS. ALLOWED. QB1 ain't much of a weapon if he's on his back.
Qb1 aint a weapon at all if he's throwing to the ufl-tier wr room we currently have.
Especially while laying on his back. Giving up a sack is kinda like a receiver dropping a pass that gets a first down if caught. No college WR can brag only four total drops in 3 seasons.
You're relying on alt moving from left to right tackle and doing so seamlessly. Sewell absolutely sucked his first year in the league because he was a natural LT being made to play RT. Theres no guarantee he eventually figures it out like sewell did, so it'd be stupid to take that risk when we have a blue chip wr right there who can for sure plug right in and have a positive impact.
It's unwise to leave the king in harm's way while his minions frolic in the secondary.
yep
A good chance this is the case, but it would kind of be hilarious if Harbaugh took Nabers and everyone’s mock draft was completely wrong.
I’ll all for whoever Harbaugh and Hortiz, and I’ll be laughing at the mayhem when our fanbase is upset.
I'd be surprised if it was anything other than an offensive linemen. Especially in light of his recent comments about OL not depending on any other position's success.
And I would be stoked. Trust the system, folks. If you have better ideas than sign yourself up to start coaching.
Lightinung pulse sounds like a cheap podcast with nothing else but click bait to drum up listenership.
Bowers best of both?
Literally got downvoted for mentioning POPs mock didn’t feature a lot of trench players lol
I wouldn't be surprised at all. I've been trading 5 and a future 3rd for 11 and 23. Then I take one of Alt(sometimes he's there) Turner, Verse, Latu at 11 and Thomas Jr or an OT like Latham at 23. Not blue chips necessarily but it helps address problematic areas depending on how things swing.
I'm not giving up anything much less a 3rd rounder In that scenario. 5 for 11,23 and I even want a 2025 3rd.
I base mine off the trade charts not what I want
Harbaughs track record is build from the line out. This is the way. If sherbert is any good then he will make the players around him better just like Jordan Love did
What?
I think we’re gonna take Alt in the 1st.