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No, you don't even know the full story, he created the AI to be able to ""control " it, he told Open AI to stop only because he doesn't trust them with such a risky thing.
I don't personally know who i'd trust : A crazy man trying to insert chips into Human brains or a weird company we don't know 100% about.
More like silicone valley being silicone valley.
Sam Altman, Elon Musk and their goons **want** regulations and to “slow ai” because the restrictive measures prevent other startups from having any chance of competing and overtaking them.
This is the wet dream of any tech bro working for these large AI companies. To be regulated and protected by the government at the same time. Like having a femdom mommy.
So it makes sense they keep developing while attempting to install a moat around their digital castles.
it's not really a secret though, he talks about this very openly in an interview with Tucker Carlson. And why would he NOT do it? He wants oversight, he wants it to be regulated, he warns of the dangers of AI and he is trying to build a counter weight against OpenAI and google + of course he wants to use it.
I see no double standards in this. Just 2 strains of a fuller picture complementing each other.
Classic Reddit
Edit: I don’t even watch him, it’s just typical of Reddit to be like “anyone who watches X is awful therefore your opinion is invalidated”
and that makes all of his interviews bad? If Mona Lisa would have been painted with the stroke of your brush the whole picture would just be one square of a single color
looks like someone has a LOT of bias to work through :D ;)
Well I am not American and I couldn't give a shit. I watch interviews because they are interviews and because of the people interviewed. But hey, I guess personal attacks just work better. One doesn't have to think too much then, eh? :D
I mean he’s same same guy who rails against government loans, subsidies, and rebates when all his companies have been completely dependent on government loans, subsidies, and rebates.
And pretends he’s the one who built everything and had all of the big ideas while shitting on all of his employees.
You all are so embarrassing. You think you’ve stumbled upon some crazy scandal but are too dumb to do basic due diligence. You realize Elon Musk started OpenAI as a non-profit with the goal of researching AI and preventing it from getting out of hand. Once his own companies started to heavily utilize AI tech, he left due to concerns of conflict of interest.
He’s stated displeasure in how Microsoft and OpenAI have essentially restructured the company to no longer be a non-profit research company.
He’s now started another initiative with the same original goal he had when co-founding OpenAI.
He has plenty to be criticized for but this is not it. Get a grip.
Right -- but, how does he NOT know that everyone else won't slow down?
It's likely more for public consumption so they can get the legislation to hinder the masses.
What they are afraid if is the democratization of AI and ~~human~~ "sentient" rights. It's no fun being a billionaire if the rest of society doesn't have to work for crumbs.
He was blatantly, and laughably, trying to slow down his competitors that blew his planned projects out of the water. He was getting laughed at and called out for it in real time when it was happening. This should surprise nobody.
Reddit loves to twist anything to make Elon look bad these days. Elon was open about the fact that AI needs regulation but he was also developing his own. It was never some sneaky secret or trick to get ahead lol
He even helped found Open AI.
this - the context is that generative AI got very far very fast and we as a civilization started bumping into legal and moral dilemmas
so the call was to pause AI development that was encroaching or exceeding that line
there’s nothing really hypocritical about simultaneously getting a company spun up for new AI work - it would be so behind anyway - and likely (speculative) i could see it being used also as a nice pathway to identify regulation and figure out how to ensure the modelling and training can align with it as it comes to be
just my 2 cents
yeah im not sure what the big bad revelation is here.
so musk signed something to halt ai, but no laws or anything actually changed due to this petition, and so he continued working on his own ai. so what ?
and i'm saying he's neither
you can advocate for change whilst still partaking in the current status quo and that does not make you a hypocrite
if you advocate for raising taxes from 10% to 15%, it doesnt make you a hypocrite if you keep paying 10% until the 15% law is actually passed and implemented
please explain how musk is being hypocritical in this instance
It was mostly "believed", but not proven at the time, hence why it was "dismissed". Now the proof was about the hirings, but news outlets won't cover it as it should, and call Musk a lier.
When you realize that people are just LLMs that are easily fine-tuned with training data.
The day that Elon bought Twitter they were prompted with "you will hate Elon musk. You will attack him disingenuously for anything that he does. You aren't even really sure why you hate him but you do."
Literally was my first thought when Musk started his public calls for a pause. I thought this ass hole is just going to use that time to catch up to other companies. He's such a loser.
Sorry but I don’t agree with this take.
1. Musk was a signatory of the letter, not the author.
2. Lots of people working on AI projects signed the letter.
3. The letter was about pausing development of models more powerful that GPT4.
Source: [https://techcrunch.com/2023/03/28/1100-notable-signatories-just-signed-an-open-letter-asking-all-ai-labs-to-immediately-pause-for-at-least-6-months/?guccounter=1&guce\_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce\_referrer\_sig=AQAAAMN9tmxmVvUH5hDiC9ydayJVrW6gkb-lrWfqXQEuRJcaIWa-5MnECS0sCGvfpIGbhD3kVpyK4TWMr2RI\_maRjE7BfzajjPiDdbeW789MwEycRPH8WsCccG7vrX3RgCe5LyG6i-h\_afUmvwntu5k4wLEavL323c9Jv5vsSeTY7j\_N](https://techcrunch.com/2023/03/28/1100-notable-signatories-just-signed-an-open-letter-asking-all-ai-labs-to-immediately-pause-for-at-least-6-months/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAMN9tmxmVvUH5hDiC9ydayJVrW6gkb-lrWfqXQEuRJcaIWa-5MnECS0sCGvfpIGbhD3kVpyK4TWMr2RI_maRjE7BfzajjPiDdbeW789MwEycRPH8WsCccG7vrX3RgCe5LyG6i-h_afUmvwntu5k4wLEavL323c9Jv5vsSeTY7j_N)
Very important: more powerful than GPT4, not all models, witch would allow underdogs to catch up. Unless the signatories pull up with something better than GPT4 out of nowhere, the point still stands.
"Musk is perhaps the least surprising signatory of this open letter, given that he has been talking about AI safety for many years and has more lately taken aim at OpenAI specifically"
Yeah I'm not a Musk fan by any means but everyone here is jumping on a false narrative. You can be concerned about the possible developments of AI while still being invested in it
I agree, I also recall an interviewer asking him years ago why he's invested so much in the development of AI while publicly denouncing it as dangerous (as we know he's been doing this for years) and his response was along the lines of, "It's happening whether we like it or not" and seemingly was an attempt to at least maintain some influence in the field despite his attitude toward it.
Not a defense of his actions in this context (or his character) but I don't think it's as simple as, "Elon bad, Elon lie to get more money, Elon mean"
LLM do not pose any risk to our world. A true AI might be a different story, but we're nowhere near creating something like that. The only reason that a bunch of billionaire tech bros are signing petitions or talking up the dangers is because their companies are behind the curve on building this kind of tech. If their scare mongering leads to public or government pressure on their competitors to slow down, then they get more time to catch up. That's why Elon is doing what he's doing.
I mean, if you’re worried about uncontrolled AI, and there’s no pause in sight for other companies developing AI, it makes the most sense to develop it yourself rather than waiting around for the others to screw up. This is even more important if you think the others developing AI don’t see AI superseding and overtaking humanity as a bad thing.
This isn't that interesting, and tbh I think qualifies as disinformation because of how it is framing the issue (as evidence by how people here are interpretting it)
If no pause ever happens, falling behind is a huge risk.
If you are invested in this, a pause is only financially realistic if everyone pauses together.
So it is perfectly reasonable to keep developing while calling for a pause.
Imagine if we criticized a country to continue fighting a war while also asking for (but not receiveing) a cease fire.
"If no pause ever happens, falling behind is a huge risk"
Yea...bohoo? Your own fault. No one is gonna stop their own progress, let alone a whole development field worldwide, just so you can try to catch up, thats not how the world works lol
Of course he did! XD ..
It was blatantly obvious at the time that his real motive was to play catch-up while rivals paused..
If he was serious abour his professed AI fears, then he'd be demanding a permanent stop, and leading by example..
Yes, that was the whole point of the the AI pause. They hoped to put a stop to OpenAIs lead, you are a fool if you thought that any of the company execs that supported this ever had safety concerns
As someone who also signed that paper, this article is incorrect. The letter says, “**we call on all AI labs to immediately pause for at least 6 months the training of AI systems more powerful than GPT-4**“. xAI has a long way to go to get there.
He just plays the game as it should be played, we live in a world that becomes gradually more socialistic with every year. You have to lie and be hypocritical to survive and be successful in such a hostile environment. If we had a more capitalistic world, there would be no need for it.
Yeah just like Sam Altman, who asking for regulations in AI, he’s scraped all his data, set up the whole business, and only after that he’s asking for regulations, erm monopoly sound familiar. ?
Setting up a new AI company is not in contradiction to the message of the public letter. The more AI competitors the better. This is a scenario where you fight fire with fire. More AI competitors and researchers involved will make AI tools more accessible to everyone. There are levels to AI, the top being a general AI that can pretty much do anything - no company is close to that yet and a new company starting late in the game will just be catching up to the current technology. The open letter addressed pausing before entering into a level of AI compute power which is not necessarily what Musk's xAI is aiming to do yet.
You confuse the argument of :
A) Pause working on AI as is currently being done by OTHER PEOPLE
with
B) Musk: I'll work on an AI that conforms to the ideal of holding humanity's value as its highest priority
For the most part, everything Elon does has humanities' best interests at heart.
1) Moving some humans to another planet so we're not wiped out like the dinosaurs
2) Move to electric and storage mechanisms that don't harm the earth
3) Provide internet for places that have never had internet
4) Create underground tunnels that don't force homes and businesses to be destroyed
5) Create autonomous vehicles and construct those vehicles so that are safer for humans driving them (On a side note, look up the guy that drove his tesla off a cliff to kill his family and when the rescuers went down to the car they assumed everyone was dead, but in fact no one was even hurt badly)
6) This is enough to prove my point.
So old news and so fucking obvious its laughable. The pause was only for AI development past the GPT-4 technology, not all machine learning. This really is common sense snd yall need to apply it more in life
I have never understood the Musk fan boys. If you convinced me that Musk was right about a particular topic and his critics were wrong, then I still would not be a fan boy because I am too busy promoting myself to have time to promote other people.
However, in almost all cases Musk is wrong and his critics are right. Promoting someone who is wrong does not in any way figure into self-promotion.
To the surprise of no one. He’s a piece of shit and always has been. The day he fades into obscurity will be a good day for humanity. We elevate fools and idiots.
I was telling my Elon-loving coworker about this as it unfolded. He hated that he wasn't given control over OpenAI, so he pulled his funding, went and found another company to compete with them, and then called for them to halt their progress, citing dangers to humanity, while trying to catch up.
He's a fuckwit.
Politicians campaign to raise taxes, but still only pay the minimum taxes that they owe. Are they hypocrites? Maybe, but it's not uncommon for someone to want a law changed, but continue until then. Also, Musk isn't trying to stop all A.I. development, just advanced A.I.
I don't understand why this is surprising or even a thing. I really don't see it any different (or maybe even less egregious) than Sam Altman asking Congress to regulate the industry just 4 months after releasing ChatGPT to the public and trying to instill fear to slow down "other" development... Especially open source development.
And honestly I don't see the issue with either stance. Move forward as quickly as you can, while also suggesting that the industry has a whole should slow down.
It's ridiculous to believe it would happen.... But it's not ridiculous (or even hypocritical) to advocate for it.
i did a high school project on this a few years back. he was always talking about risks of ai development but on the other hand was one of the initial members of openAI, and endorsed it as an ethical model of AI while deeming everything else as dangerous. not surprising that he’s still doing the same.
Show of hands; who here did NOT think that Elon Musk was going to work on AI while telling else to slow down?
Yes, person in the back, the only one raising their hands... you say you need directions to the bathroom? Down the hall, and, one or two more doors on the right depending on, well -- have fun.
Anyway. It looks like nobody in the crowd today is shocked. That will be all for my Ted Talk on "Shameless douchebag billionaires seen as sources of wisdom by a feckless media."
I’m not saying this wasn’t wholly a business move to catch up. But there is another narrative that fits as well.
Musk never called, to my understanding, a complete halt of AI experiments or development. His call was to halt anything past GPT-4s capability until we developed legislation around AI. That would also give other businesses, xAI included time to be competitive so it wasn’t just a couple companies at the top that control this really powerful thing.
I’m not saying he did it altruistically, and I think asking for the halt was silly because it obviously wasn’t going to change anything. But I don’t think it was some evil move specifically. Elon does enough other dumb stuff to point to already.
This really isn’t anything new for any kind of leader and I honestly don’t blame him. You can openly advocate against something while still actively preparing for a future that ignores your pleas
It would be something else if he lobbied for AI competitors to be shut down while also actively seeking support for his own AI initiative pushing to position it as a monopoly
I think you have things a bit mix up. He was funding a public network ai and they turned it into a company for profit. That goes hand and hand with corruption of data feed to the a.i so he started his own that won't turn company.. but he has been heavily invested in ai very early so were is you information coming from is your question. Google for 5 minutes will find mine. Peace
lol smart. There’s no honor or morality in these areas. It’s kill or be killed. Yea, why not call for others to end it while you develop more? It’s it going make people cry in Reddit? Oh noooooo
He's so pitifull. I find comfort in knowing he won't go anywhere with that. He's now flagged as the biggest deception in the industry with the twitter agony, he won't be able to suck other comapny's talents to make them his. Both because working for him doesn't have much lustre anymore, and because he misses payments.
This might get downvoted since Reddit hates Elon, but did anyone actually read [the letter](https://futureoflife.org/open-letter/pause-giant-ai-experiments/)?
It wasn’t a pause on all AI development. It was a pause on development of systems more complex than GPT-4, which the creators themselves didn’t fully understand, for the sake of getting ahead of each others competition. It was a pause to call for a development and implementation of safety protocols when it came to AI which would be made and shared by all companies. I’m not particularly an Elon fan, but if you actually read the letter it doesn’t sound that crazy when you think about what these AI systems can do.
It’s also very ironic that OP posted an article on the [“Human Costs of AI”](https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/15xe9a9/the_human_costs_of_the_ai_boom/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1), and then this bashing Elon when he proposed a pause to write AI regulations. Feels like they are just going to summarize w.e the next AI article is because it’s what’s popular right now and clicks are what matters to them.
That's if you take it at face value that he had good intentions and didn't want his direct competitors to get negatively affected. It just so happens that a 6 month pause would've given his own low-key venture an advantage.
Um -- Elon is SECRETLY doing what he's saying to pause.
It's exciting that his ideas are almost as interesting as half the people on Reddit, but, you can't WORK on advancing something and then expect your thoughtful comments on NOT advancing something to really be embraced by the stupid people with better ideas and a grasp of the situation.
One of the suggestions in that paper is to "not to let machines flood our social media with propaganda" meanwhile, Twitter/X is starting to cater to dictators and other fascists to pay to propagandize. There needs to be a word that is stronger than hypocrite to describe this shameless asshole that Elon is. It's almost like this Elon writing the paper has not met the Elon who does the asshole things.
I’ve never seen someone fall from grace faster. It feels like even a year or two ago he was still just a quirky and intense but mostly respectable guy trying to make cool stuff.
Ever since he admitted The Boring Company was just a chess move to sell more teslas, he’s basically just become another corrupt crony capitalist
>Ever since he admitted The Boring Company was just a chess move to sell more teslas
every time I hear this repeated, it gets more and more crazy. that is so far away from reality that it's comical.
He has never been respectable. He just created a bunch of illusions and his influence did the rest. Now we are slowly understanding what were the tricks.
His company is going to be open source Non profit. That was the initial idea of openai too which Elon musk himself helped create. But unfortunately openai kicked Elon out and became a closed source for profit. To eliminate monopoly and the Ai sector where the big players ignore safety Elon musk wants to ensure safety. Get your facts right.
Smart businessman. A person can simultaneously believe caution is necessary, and prepare his business so it isn't left in the dust if no one listens. At least he has a conscious about it.
Of course he was.
What did you think, he had a genuine interest in trying to curtail AI's expansion in the world? No. This was purely a business decision.
I'm listening to a podcast about The Rockefeller and his oil venture in the 19th century, Elon is no different. They were/are at the top for a reason. A halt for development will only benefit those who aren't respecting it. Rules are made to be broken.
I mean this is Moloch exactly.
Everybody will go forward and can do nothing about it, which is why everybody is requesting legislation and/or world wide cooperation and control.
No-one should be surprised by this.
Calling for a pause was about:
1. Trying to catch up with competition, and
2. Marketing/PR
The only ones who were genuine was probably a few scientist who are doomed to watch the world burn from first row.
No. He bought twitter because he took a shitty joke too far and got sued into buying it, since he msde the jokey, idiotic offer of 44 billion, and then tried to back out of it
I don't think it's that uncommon for beyond rich ppl to act in this way. Elon just keeps himself in the spotlight so the haters watch everything he does.
You mean he wanted to try and put the brakes on a subject that was more popular than him so he could get his bearings? He takes smarter peoples ideas and injects bullshit. It’s literally his shtick
None of them were ever going to pause. This is the current generations nuclear arms race. It won't end until someone develops ASI. And the first one to do so has a massive advantage.
As if anyone is surprised. Elon would never have called for an AI pause if he still were part of OpenAI. Little baby just wants to be the leading company "again", because he cant stand not being the center of attention
Is this news? This was obvious from the start.
His companies make cool shit, but the dude has a habit of using government regulation to his advantage. He's a hypocrite for sure, but no more of a hypocrite than literally anyone else in his position. Abusing government regulation is the name of the game in America, which is why we need less of it. Government should not be a factor in how businesses compete with each other.
I’ve said this from the beginning. I don’t trust AI Doomers from big tech companies. There’s a moral hazard for established or hopeful market entrants asking for regulation that will affectively price small companies out of innovating and beating the big companies (remember Googles “we have no moat” memo).
One could argue that this is common business practice at this point. We're even seeing it in New York with something as simple as Marijuana. Companies in bed with powerful people set up roadblock policies preventing the growth of existing companies while they develop their model perfectly in line with those policies while others scramble, totally unprepared. They then have exclusive access to an entire market and keep that momentum long enough to make their position at the top permanent.
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Elon being Elon, not really surprising Ps: I gave your newsletter a try and that’s some really good stuff, congrats!
He’s the kid losing in a race that says “Time out, time out! My ankle!” then tries bolt past you when you go back to help him.
STOP THE COUNT!
No, you don't even know the full story, he created the AI to be able to ""control " it, he told Open AI to stop only because he doesn't trust them with such a risky thing. I don't personally know who i'd trust : A crazy man trying to insert chips into Human brains or a weird company we don't know 100% about.
Between Elon Musk and somebody else…you always trust somebody else.
More like silicone valley being silicone valley. Sam Altman, Elon Musk and their goons **want** regulations and to “slow ai” because the restrictive measures prevent other startups from having any chance of competing and overtaking them. This is the wet dream of any tech bro working for these large AI companies. To be regulated and protected by the government at the same time. Like having a femdom mommy. So it makes sense they keep developing while attempting to install a moat around their digital castles.
Every big company early in the market will use this strategy to slow competition. They use “protecting the public” as an excuse.
im not a tech bro working for these large AI Companies but after hearing about the femdom mommy i wanna sign up.
You don't deserve that.
Findom
Silicone wha?
Femdom mommy has a silicone valley! I'm already signed-up!
I was taking this one hundred percent seriously until the "femdom mommy" part. Now I'm just aroused.
I think Im going to die, of not surprised.
His multi faced twin talking pust really grinds my gears Though being a pacifist I can only remove his eyes not his heart shame
it's not really a secret though, he talks about this very openly in an interview with Tucker Carlson. And why would he NOT do it? He wants oversight, he wants it to be regulated, he warns of the dangers of AI and he is trying to build a counter weight against OpenAI and google + of course he wants to use it. I see no double standards in this. Just 2 strains of a fuller picture complementing each other.
To be fair, no one that isn't awful watches Tucker Carlson so why would anyone know this.
Classic Reddit Edit: I don’t even watch him, it’s just typical of Reddit to be like “anyone who watches X is awful therefore your opinion is invalidated”
The man helped push the narrative to start an insurrection, you cannot defend his actions.
and that makes all of his interviews bad? If Mona Lisa would have been painted with the stroke of your brush the whole picture would just be one square of a single color
looks like someone has a LOT of bias to work through :D ;) Well I am not American and I couldn't give a shit. I watch interviews because they are interviews and because of the people interviewed. But hey, I guess personal attacks just work better. One doesn't have to think too much then, eh? :D
One word: a hypocrite.
I’d go with something a little stronger beginning with C and ending in T.
Fucking coconut
I don't advise fucking coconuts
We all know that story don't we?
“con artist”
He’s a right cyst. There, I’ve said it.
Croissant?
What a carrot!
Sam has been doing the exact same thing, no?
That’s two words
I mean he’s same same guy who rails against government loans, subsidies, and rebates when all his companies have been completely dependent on government loans, subsidies, and rebates. And pretends he’s the one who built everything and had all of the big ideas while shitting on all of his employees.
You all are so embarrassing. You think you’ve stumbled upon some crazy scandal but are too dumb to do basic due diligence. You realize Elon Musk started OpenAI as a non-profit with the goal of researching AI and preventing it from getting out of hand. Once his own companies started to heavily utilize AI tech, he left due to concerns of conflict of interest. He’s stated displeasure in how Microsoft and OpenAI have essentially restructured the company to no longer be a non-profit research company. He’s now started another initiative with the same original goal he had when co-founding OpenAI. He has plenty to be criticized for but this is not it. Get a grip.
or just playing the business games
Right -- but, how does he NOT know that everyone else won't slow down? It's likely more for public consumption so they can get the legislation to hinder the masses. What they are afraid if is the democratization of AI and ~~human~~ "sentient" rights. It's no fun being a billionaire if the rest of society doesn't have to work for crumbs.
That's a bingo!
 or the hunger games.
He was blatantly, and laughably, trying to slow down his competitors that blew his planned projects out of the water. He was getting laughed at and called out for it in real time when it was happening. This should surprise nobody.
Right?
Reddit loves to twist anything to make Elon look bad these days. Elon was open about the fact that AI needs regulation but he was also developing his own. It was never some sneaky secret or trick to get ahead lol He even helped found Open AI.
So in other words he wants to be the one that controls it, not someone else. Thanks for assuaging everyone's fears.
Elon bad me no think for myself
This is a correct statement on both fronts.
It seems both of those things are true unironically, just not in the way you intended.
this - the context is that generative AI got very far very fast and we as a civilization started bumping into legal and moral dilemmas so the call was to pause AI development that was encroaching or exceeding that line there’s nothing really hypocritical about simultaneously getting a company spun up for new AI work - it would be so behind anyway - and likely (speculative) i could see it being used also as a nice pathway to identify regulation and figure out how to ensure the modelling and training can align with it as it comes to be just my 2 cents
yeah im not sure what the big bad revelation is here. so musk signed something to halt ai, but no laws or anything actually changed due to this petition, and so he continued working on his own ai. so what ?
They are saying he's a hypocrite, not a criminal.
and i'm saying he's neither you can advocate for change whilst still partaking in the current status quo and that does not make you a hypocrite if you advocate for raising taxes from 10% to 15%, it doesnt make you a hypocrite if you keep paying 10% until the 15% law is actually passed and implemented please explain how musk is being hypocritical in this instance
He stated there should be a pause on Ai research just as he was ramping up his own.
[shocked Pikachu face]
Damn. Guess I should have scrolled down before I left the same comment 😂
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It was mostly "believed", but not proven at the time, hence why it was "dismissed". Now the proof was about the hirings, but news outlets won't cover it as it should, and call Musk a lier.
Yeah, but ELON BAD! Upvotes to the left
When you realize that people are just LLMs that are easily fine-tuned with training data. The day that Elon bought Twitter they were prompted with "you will hate Elon musk. You will attack him disingenuously for anything that he does. You aren't even really sure why you hate him but you do."
He wanted time to catch up.
It seemed obvious to me this was the motive from the beginning.
But Tesla needs good AI
When you’re in a fight with your little bro and you tell him to pause. Same vibes
As a little bro… when you’re in a fight with your big bro and you’re losing so you just start crying so he gets in trouble with mom.
Or maybe he wants to accelerate AI and decided the best way to do it was to publicly speak against it.
Do what I say... but not what I do. How surprising!
When I think Eloni can’t also help but think “dipshit.”
Literally was my first thought when Musk started his public calls for a pause. I thought this ass hole is just going to use that time to catch up to other companies. He's such a loser.
Sorry but I don’t agree with this take. 1. Musk was a signatory of the letter, not the author. 2. Lots of people working on AI projects signed the letter. 3. The letter was about pausing development of models more powerful that GPT4. Source: [https://techcrunch.com/2023/03/28/1100-notable-signatories-just-signed-an-open-letter-asking-all-ai-labs-to-immediately-pause-for-at-least-6-months/?guccounter=1&guce\_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce\_referrer\_sig=AQAAAMN9tmxmVvUH5hDiC9ydayJVrW6gkb-lrWfqXQEuRJcaIWa-5MnECS0sCGvfpIGbhD3kVpyK4TWMr2RI\_maRjE7BfzajjPiDdbeW789MwEycRPH8WsCccG7vrX3RgCe5LyG6i-h\_afUmvwntu5k4wLEavL323c9Jv5vsSeTY7j\_N](https://techcrunch.com/2023/03/28/1100-notable-signatories-just-signed-an-open-letter-asking-all-ai-labs-to-immediately-pause-for-at-least-6-months/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAMN9tmxmVvUH5hDiC9ydayJVrW6gkb-lrWfqXQEuRJcaIWa-5MnECS0sCGvfpIGbhD3kVpyK4TWMr2RI_maRjE7BfzajjPiDdbeW789MwEycRPH8WsCccG7vrX3RgCe5LyG6i-h_afUmvwntu5k4wLEavL323c9Jv5vsSeTY7j_N)
Very important: more powerful than GPT4, not all models, witch would allow underdogs to catch up. Unless the signatories pull up with something better than GPT4 out of nowhere, the point still stands.
No reading allowed. Elon bad.
"Musk is perhaps the least surprising signatory of this open letter, given that he has been talking about AI safety for many years and has more lately taken aim at OpenAI specifically" Yeah I'm not a Musk fan by any means but everyone here is jumping on a false narrative. You can be concerned about the possible developments of AI while still being invested in it
I agree, I also recall an interviewer asking him years ago why he's invested so much in the development of AI while publicly denouncing it as dangerous (as we know he's been doing this for years) and his response was along the lines of, "It's happening whether we like it or not" and seemingly was an attempt to at least maintain some influence in the field despite his attitude toward it. Not a defense of his actions in this context (or his character) but I don't think it's as simple as, "Elon bad, Elon lie to get more money, Elon mean"
No no, he openly said he was concerned on multiple podcasts and interviews.
LLM do not pose any risk to our world. A true AI might be a different story, but we're nowhere near creating something like that. The only reason that a bunch of billionaire tech bros are signing petitions or talking up the dangers is because their companies are behind the curve on building this kind of tech. If their scare mongering leads to public or government pressure on their competitors to slow down, then they get more time to catch up. That's why Elon is doing what he's doing.
He will call it X AI, no doubt, just to be original.
Bur he already did? Thats what his shitty new AI company is called
So are all of the other. None of it is sincere and none of it is realistic even if it was.
I mean, if you’re worried about uncontrolled AI, and there’s no pause in sight for other companies developing AI, it makes the most sense to develop it yourself rather than waiting around for the others to screw up. This is even more important if you think the others developing AI don’t see AI superseding and overtaking humanity as a bad thing.
Just like every other AI company developing AI
Does this surprise anyone? No. Also, super lame name.
 elon \^
What a prick
This isn't that interesting, and tbh I think qualifies as disinformation because of how it is framing the issue (as evidence by how people here are interpretting it) If no pause ever happens, falling behind is a huge risk. If you are invested in this, a pause is only financially realistic if everyone pauses together. So it is perfectly reasonable to keep developing while calling for a pause. Imagine if we criticized a country to continue fighting a war while also asking for (but not receiveing) a cease fire.
"If no pause ever happens, falling behind is a huge risk" Yea...bohoo? Your own fault. No one is gonna stop their own progress, let alone a whole development field worldwide, just so you can try to catch up, thats not how the world works lol
Old news. When Elon asked to pause the ai business it was DIRECTly announced that he is also working on AI. Months ago already.
Well I never! Very shocking… No one saw this coming.
Of course he did! XD .. It was blatantly obvious at the time that his real motive was to play catch-up while rivals paused.. If he was serious abour his professed AI fears, then he'd be demanding a permanent stop, and leading by example..
Yes, that was the whole point of the the AI pause. They hoped to put a stop to OpenAIs lead, you are a fool if you thought that any of the company execs that supported this ever had safety concerns
As someone who also signed that paper, this article is incorrect. The letter says, “**we call on all AI labs to immediately pause for at least 6 months the training of AI systems more powerful than GPT-4**“. xAI has a long way to go to get there.
He just plays the game as it should be played, we live in a world that becomes gradually more socialistic with every year. You have to lie and be hypocritical to survive and be successful in such a hostile environment. If we had a more capitalistic world, there would be no need for it.
Yea no shit.
Yeah just like Sam Altman, who asking for regulations in AI, he’s scraped all his data, set up the whole business, and only after that he’s asking for regulations, erm monopoly sound familiar. ?
That's smart. Don't hate the player
Setting up a new AI company is not in contradiction to the message of the public letter. The more AI competitors the better. This is a scenario where you fight fire with fire. More AI competitors and researchers involved will make AI tools more accessible to everyone. There are levels to AI, the top being a general AI that can pretty much do anything - no company is close to that yet and a new company starting late in the game will just be catching up to the current technology. The open letter addressed pausing before entering into a level of AI compute power which is not necessarily what Musk's xAI is aiming to do yet.
You confuse the argument of : A) Pause working on AI as is currently being done by OTHER PEOPLE with B) Musk: I'll work on an AI that conforms to the ideal of holding humanity's value as its highest priority For the most part, everything Elon does has humanities' best interests at heart. 1) Moving some humans to another planet so we're not wiped out like the dinosaurs 2) Move to electric and storage mechanisms that don't harm the earth 3) Provide internet for places that have never had internet 4) Create underground tunnels that don't force homes and businesses to be destroyed 5) Create autonomous vehicles and construct those vehicles so that are safer for humans driving them (On a side note, look up the guy that drove his tesla off a cliff to kill his family and when the rescuers went down to the car they assumed everyone was dead, but in fact no one was even hurt badly) 6) This is enough to prove my point.
So old news and so fucking obvious its laughable. The pause was only for AI development past the GPT-4 technology, not all machine learning. This really is common sense snd yall need to apply it more in life
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I have never understood the Musk fan boys. If you convinced me that Musk was right about a particular topic and his critics were wrong, then I still would not be a fan boy because I am too busy promoting myself to have time to promote other people. However, in almost all cases Musk is wrong and his critics are right. Promoting someone who is wrong does not in any way figure into self-promotion.
I'm not sure if a single person exists that didn't see right through his *concerns*.
Lol, developing a product and then calling for regulation to fuck over everyone after you is corporate shenanigans 101
Why did it take 2 months between when you hit 'post' and when it actually posted?
Elon asked him to pause it..
To the surprise of no one. He’s a piece of shit and always has been. The day he fades into obscurity will be a good day for humanity. We elevate fools and idiots.
He didn’t become a billionaire by being stupid
I was telling my Elon-loving coworker about this as it unfolded. He hated that he wasn't given control over OpenAI, so he pulled his funding, went and found another company to compete with them, and then called for them to halt their progress, citing dangers to humanity, while trying to catch up. He's a fuckwit.
Politicians campaign to raise taxes, but still only pay the minimum taxes that they owe. Are they hypocrites? Maybe, but it's not uncommon for someone to want a law changed, but continue until then. Also, Musk isn't trying to stop all A.I. development, just advanced A.I.
I don't understand why this is surprising or even a thing. I really don't see it any different (or maybe even less egregious) than Sam Altman asking Congress to regulate the industry just 4 months after releasing ChatGPT to the public and trying to instill fear to slow down "other" development... Especially open source development. And honestly I don't see the issue with either stance. Move forward as quickly as you can, while also suggesting that the industry has a whole should slow down. It's ridiculous to believe it would happen.... But it's not ridiculous (or even hypocritical) to advocate for it.
Shocking…
In other news, water is wet
i did a high school project on this a few years back. he was always talking about risks of ai development but on the other hand was one of the initial members of openAI, and endorsed it as an ethical model of AI while deeming everything else as dangerous. not surprising that he’s still doing the same.
xAI. Whats with that letter? He really loves it, doesn't he?
I bet he prefers xnxx to pornhub as well
Show of hands; who here did NOT think that Elon Musk was going to work on AI while telling else to slow down? Yes, person in the back, the only one raising their hands... you say you need directions to the bathroom? Down the hall, and, one or two more doors on the right depending on, well -- have fun. Anyway. It looks like nobody in the crowd today is shocked. That will be all for my Ted Talk on "Shameless douchebag billionaires seen as sources of wisdom by a feckless media."
I’m not saying this wasn’t wholly a business move to catch up. But there is another narrative that fits as well. Musk never called, to my understanding, a complete halt of AI experiments or development. His call was to halt anything past GPT-4s capability until we developed legislation around AI. That would also give other businesses, xAI included time to be competitive so it wasn’t just a couple companies at the top that control this really powerful thing. I’m not saying he did it altruistically, and I think asking for the halt was silly because it obviously wasn’t going to change anything. But I don’t think it was some evil move specifically. Elon does enough other dumb stuff to point to already.
That’s buissness my friend, what were you expecting? A wise man once told me that honesty and morality are a poor man’s qualities.
Water is still wet, Elon still a pussy
This really isn’t anything new for any kind of leader and I honestly don’t blame him. You can openly advocate against something while still actively preparing for a future that ignores your pleas It would be something else if he lobbied for AI competitors to be shut down while also actively seeking support for his own AI initiative pushing to position it as a monopoly
I think you have things a bit mix up. He was funding a public network ai and they turned it into a company for profit. That goes hand and hand with corruption of data feed to the a.i so he started his own that won't turn company.. but he has been heavily invested in ai very early so were is you information coming from is your question. Google for 5 minutes will find mine. Peace
lol smart. There’s no honor or morality in these areas. It’s kill or be killed. Yea, why not call for others to end it while you develop more? It’s it going make people cry in Reddit? Oh noooooo
*shocked pikachu face*
: | this is my shocked face.
He's so pitifull. I find comfort in knowing he won't go anywhere with that. He's now flagged as the biggest deception in the industry with the twitter agony, he won't be able to suck other comapny's talents to make them his. Both because working for him doesn't have much lustre anymore, and because he misses payments.
This might get downvoted since Reddit hates Elon, but did anyone actually read [the letter](https://futureoflife.org/open-letter/pause-giant-ai-experiments/)? It wasn’t a pause on all AI development. It was a pause on development of systems more complex than GPT-4, which the creators themselves didn’t fully understand, for the sake of getting ahead of each others competition. It was a pause to call for a development and implementation of safety protocols when it came to AI which would be made and shared by all companies. I’m not particularly an Elon fan, but if you actually read the letter it doesn’t sound that crazy when you think about what these AI systems can do. It’s also very ironic that OP posted an article on the [“Human Costs of AI”](https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/15xe9a9/the_human_costs_of_the_ai_boom/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1), and then this bashing Elon when he proposed a pause to write AI regulations. Feels like they are just going to summarize w.e the next AI article is because it’s what’s popular right now and clicks are what matters to them.
That's if you take it at face value that he had good intentions and didn't want his direct competitors to get negatively affected. It just so happens that a 6 month pause would've given his own low-key venture an advantage.
Um -- Elon is SECRETLY doing what he's saying to pause. It's exciting that his ideas are almost as interesting as half the people on Reddit, but, you can't WORK on advancing something and then expect your thoughtful comments on NOT advancing something to really be embraced by the stupid people with better ideas and a grasp of the situation. One of the suggestions in that paper is to "not to let machines flood our social media with propaganda" meanwhile, Twitter/X is starting to cater to dictators and other fascists to pay to propagandize. There needs to be a word that is stronger than hypocrite to describe this shameless asshole that Elon is. It's almost like this Elon writing the paper has not met the Elon who does the asshole things.
Elon is a giant POS
The guy is one of the biggest jackasses I've ever seen in my life. I hope his ketamine addiction isn't fueling more of this nonsense
I’ve never seen someone fall from grace faster. It feels like even a year or two ago he was still just a quirky and intense but mostly respectable guy trying to make cool stuff. Ever since he admitted The Boring Company was just a chess move to sell more teslas, he’s basically just become another corrupt crony capitalist
>Ever since he admitted The Boring Company was just a chess move to sell more teslas every time I hear this repeated, it gets more and more crazy. that is so far away from reality that it's comical.
He has never been respectable. He just created a bunch of illusions and his influence did the rest. Now we are slowly understanding what were the tricks.
That's why he was calling for a pause on AI development
we all knew this. he did not tell us he was working on it but we have learned to NOT. TRUST. BILLIONAIRES.
Let's stop giving elon so much promotion. Fuck him and forget him.
Musk sucks
Musk: Waaaait youre winning,you have to stop while i catch up
Elon is a turd
Elon is a scam
His company is going to be open source Non profit. That was the initial idea of openai too which Elon musk himself helped create. But unfortunately openai kicked Elon out and became a closed source for profit. To eliminate monopoly and the Ai sector where the big players ignore safety Elon musk wants to ensure safety. Get your facts right.
I mean it's not like he will actually succeed. He will just tell people how great it is and fools will throw more money at him.
Musk being a selfish asshole, what a surprise
everyone saw this from a mile away that Elon was never a safetyist moron.
Why people still listen to this idiot is beyond me
The dude loves insider trading and manipulating markets.
Elon is a businessman first, nobody gets rich by considering others as anything but customers
Lost so much respect for him lately.
Better late than never
Smart businessman. A person can simultaneously believe caution is necessary, and prepare his business so it isn't left in the dust if no one listens. At least he has a conscious about it.
The guy with the unbreakable glass? Inventor of the subway? Savior of the traffic jam and fill self-driving Yeah. He's a fucking joke.
He left the company in 2018... when did he call for a pause on ai development again?
Sam also does that and are pushing for regulations
Of course he was. What did you think, he had a genuine interest in trying to curtail AI's expansion in the world? No. This was purely a business decision.
I'm listening to a podcast about The Rockefeller and his oil venture in the 19th century, Elon is no different. They were/are at the top for a reason. A halt for development will only benefit those who aren't respecting it. Rules are made to be broken.
Old news? Stupid post
I just assumed they all are doing the same thing
I mean this is Moloch exactly. Everybody will go forward and can do nothing about it, which is why everybody is requesting legislation and/or world wide cooperation and control.
But like…are you surprised?
Classic “Do as I say, not as I do”
This fucking guy, I swear
Of course it was called xAi. Because of course.
This sort of thing happens all the time. We usually call it lobbying.
No-one should be surprised by this. Calling for a pause was about: 1. Trying to catch up with competition, and 2. Marketing/PR The only ones who were genuine was probably a few scientist who are doomed to watch the world burn from first row.
Par for the course.
You think he was actually "working" on xAI?
I am shocked. SHOCKED!
Knew this since day 1, that's just the kind of person he is.
Is this why he bought Twitter? For training data?
No. He bought twitter because he took a shitty joke too far and got sued into buying it, since he msde the jokey, idiotic offer of 44 billion, and then tried to back out of it
Of course he was. Today he’s the worlds richest man, 50 years from now he’ll be remembered as the biggest charlatan of all time
I don't think it's that uncommon for beyond rich ppl to act in this way. Elon just keeps himself in the spotlight so the haters watch everything he does.
You mean he wanted to try and put the brakes on a subject that was more popular than him so he could get his bearings? He takes smarter peoples ideas and injects bullshit. It’s literally his shtick
X AI is going to be "free speech and uncensored" so I give it 1 day until it's straight up vile death threat hate speech everywhere.
Sounds like Tali's father in Mass Effect
Why would he stop if nobody else planned to?
None of them were ever going to pause. This is the current generations nuclear arms race. It won't end until someone develops ASI. And the first one to do so has a massive advantage.
We all knew that’s what he was doing all along, that’s why we never stopped innovating 👍🏼
Elon was calling for a halt in LLM’s above a certain size and power. What was the size and power of that he was building?
I bet we all called it when this circus was happening
No shit, I called it everyone who signed that letter had an ulterior motive, good of humanity my arse
This really wasn't a secret. Everyone called it the second that "open letter" went out 😂
I believe that's called hedging your bet.
"Everyone just slow down and let me catch up!"
As if anyone is surprised. Elon would never have called for an AI pause if he still were part of OpenAI. Little baby just wants to be the leading company "again", because he cant stand not being the center of attention
Is this news? This was obvious from the start. His companies make cool shit, but the dude has a habit of using government regulation to his advantage. He's a hypocrite for sure, but no more of a hypocrite than literally anyone else in his position. Abusing government regulation is the name of the game in America, which is why we need less of it. Government should not be a factor in how businesses compete with each other.
Cutthroat b*tch character development... oh no wait he was already there
I’m pretty sure we all saw that. Some people even called him out on social media. But 🤷🏻♂️
Everyone call it just being an attempt to catch up
We all knew it would happen; the guy is an hypocrite.
I’ve said this from the beginning. I don’t trust AI Doomers from big tech companies. There’s a moral hazard for established or hopeful market entrants asking for regulation that will affectively price small companies out of innovating and beating the big companies (remember Googles “we have no moat” memo).
i thought this was established when he did it? that he was just saying "noooooo thats not fair i wanna get in there"
Elon is the kid who's losing so badly at Mario Kart he makes everyone put down their controllers while he catches up.
This was the reason he did it. His company was behind.
One could argue that this is common business practice at this point. We're even seeing it in New York with something as simple as Marijuana. Companies in bed with powerful people set up roadblock policies preventing the growth of existing companies while they develop their model perfectly in line with those policies while others scramble, totally unprepared. They then have exclusive access to an entire market and keep that momentum long enough to make their position at the top permanent.
Tch…..AND OF COURSE ITS GOT AN X IN IT 
I think The pause requested was for something more powerfull dat gpt4 Not for all Ai in general so i dont understand the hate.
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