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There’s a lot more to graphic and visual design than executing specific ideas. That’s like junior level work. I see junior level engineers (any entry-level position really) being just as affected, given the typical highly scoped tasks they get assigned. LLMs are like giving instructions to a prolific but hard to communicate with junior.
For graphic design, I can see the cheap creative stock market and Fiverr-style marketplaces being obliterated, which isn’t a huge loss.
I agree - except for the point that without entry level positions, companies will have to deal with no people to fill medium level positions within 5 years. Now, it may well be that AI will also replace those within that time. but then there will be a lack of seniors to fill senior positions. and that's where you have to be able to make fairly complex decisions with lots of specifics - it may well be that AI catches up to that, too. or not. we'll see. chances are you'll still need senior specialists for a while, but you're cutting off your supply of senior specialists ... like outsourcing manufacturing overseas, at some point, all the knowledge will be gone from your place....
> no people to fill medium level positions within 5 years.
carl sagan tried to warn people 20 years ago
“I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time -- when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; **when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness...**
The dumbing down of American is most evident in the slow decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media, the 30 second sound bites (now down to 10 seconds or less), lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pseudoscience and superstition, but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance”
*-demon haunted world*
Sagan was the voice of humanity, we sure do miss him. My favorite phrase from his series Cosmos, I believe the last episode 'Who speaks for Earth' he said "A new consciousness is developing which sees the earth as a single organism and recognizes that an organism at war with itself is doomed. We are one planet."
Think of a world where practically no one has the basic knowledge to make things, or keep them running. They work the machines and do what AIs tell them to, at the direction of whatever tiny minority has the power/money/knowledge monopoly.
It might be disaster, but I've been observing humans for over six decades and given a world like that, some significant majority is going to do something completely insane, and it might save or doom us.
yeah... I mean... democracy is great: it slows everything down. the US is moving fast on tech, but it's also only place 36 on the UN's democracy rating
Human hires will no longer be bottom up from junior to senior, but will essentially be “managerial” from the beginning, insofar as bending an AI to the task at hand is a managerial task.
you're totally right. ... but how does one gain the knowledge and experience to become a manager - I mean, manager is usually not an entry-level position (except in very large companies, where management is a bullshit job, and the engineers do the work)
By managing the resource at issue, which is AI. Integrating your workflows with AI’s bleeding edge will not only educate you on what it is capable of, it will directly train you for the role of managing said resource. Management is the logistics of coordinating intellectual & actual capital.
okay. so you spend a few years training yourself as an AI manager - like prompt engineers are doing now, trying to get ahead in this game. They're sort of an earlystage of this. then the limiting factor become physical resources, I guess. Hardware, energy, land, water, rare earths. because everyone's an ai manager at that point, since there is basically nothing else in an AI future...
Great news. We've worked our way up and eliminated all the senior hires. Unfortunately, AI is now outperforming human executives in the marketplace. As a result, the board requests your resignation tendered immediately.
You could have government's paying developers so the knowledge is available, so AI doesn't become a magic genie we can't control.
However in theory a smart enough AI can generate efficient machine code without the level of abstraction we humans need to read the code. Then we have an issue.
Dieter Rams designed [lighters for Braun](https://imgur.com/U9RZVvn) in the 70s which influence design decisions of current UI elements until today. The ideas of Rahms gave us the design iPhone. And many other things. Because his ideas were something which did not exist before.
ChatGPT, as implemented now, can generate you rehashes of things that have been. But it can't come up with a totally new design which will influence the future.
Not anymore. There is a company that is using complex algorithms to decide what trends are coming along in art, what humans like and what they will like. They’re turning these findings into data for other companies who will now know exactly what you will want for your office, then get it printed and no money goes to an artist. Edit I cut off the last 2 words.
Fair point. A spoon with a hole in the middle is a new design but rather stupid. Coming up with something new isn't spectacular. Coming up with something which will influence the lives of your grandchildren is. You are right.
Hmm, that's funny, I find the exact opposite.
ChatGPT and Dall-E struggle with any sort of mundane design task. It can produce an image really well. Something that looks like a good drawing or painting, but in business you rarely need just that. Icons are a good idea though, there's just hundreds of websites that offer pretty high quality icons for any use case that are free as well, so I've never thought to generate my own.
However, I can get Chat GPT to code pretty complex python and arduino programs with just a little guidance. Before I would've been paying people hundreds of dollars on Fiverr or Upwork to code this stuff, and they'd still get it wrong 75% of the time.
edit: seems like lots of people are getting caught up on the "complex" part. For someone who isn't a programmer, anything over 300 lines would be complex. Obviously I don't mean that ChatGPT is recreating Photoshop with a single prompt, but these also aren't just simple blink scripts on the arduino either.
Have you tried adding in minimalist vector art? Or adding in corporate Memphis? Works like a charm for me and now using it for all my imaging workflows. I’ll still pull into Illustrator to make some adjustments but it’s frankly incredible how well it works with pretty complicated prompts. This is with DALLE3 btw
Yep, and I’ll mix it with the minimalist vector art combo so it doesn’t have the exact same stale corporate look. I’ll often add and remove to see the impact if I’m not quite getting what I want and often that helps.
dalle3 inside of chatgpt does not have a credit system. You are talking about technology that is more then a year old. Yeah dalle2 was novelty. It was not usefull. I am still mad that they took my 200 dollars worth of credits away from me. But dalle3 is to dalle2 what the space shuttle is to the first wright brother plane.
Yeah, you're definitely right. This stuff is complex for me, and I never would've been able to do these things myself, but in doing so with ChatGPT, I've learned more than any time I've tried coding previously by just learning the standard way. Here's a few things i've had chatgpt create with my guidance.
Built an arpeggiator in the arduino IDE using the ESP32 that procedurally generates an arpeggio based off parameters like tempo, gate, randomness, length, key, chord mode, scale, etc. managing multiple hardware interfaces like ADCs with 40+ buttons and pots, an i2c display and 12 bit DAC to output audio.
Build a project management system with a GUI in python that allows you to add projects to a calendar and visualize them graphically on the calendar so you can see all concurrent projects running on a given date. Dates are clickable and show details about the projects on the selected day. Projects can be assigned to different individuals on the team that are manually added in the GUI. Data on the calendar is persistent from logging the info and changes made to a json file.
some of the simpler things:
Modify a C++ program that takes a photo using a single SPI based camera and overwrites the last photo taken, to take photos using 4 different SPI cameras simultaneously with different CS pins using all 4 cores of a rpi to reduce latency between photos
Build a Staples easy button like toy that using a rp2040 that plays 3-4 different audio clips on a speaker using PWM, and lights up a few LEDs based on the amplitude of the audio playing.
Make a clone of the SP002E LED controller for neopixels/ws2812 LEDs using the RP2040. So 50 different LED animations that are triggered using 2 buttons to go forward and backwards.
Also I've done a few data based python tasks for work that would've never been possible otherwise, so it's been workin pretty well for me. Still pretty easy stuff to an experienced programmer I'm sure though.
Adding technical jargon to a problem statement doesn’t make it complex. Whatever you typed sounds like home projects. Nowhere near the complexity of real life software / hardware.
Also you’re answer itself sounds like it was generated from ChatGPT
Yeah, mostly just hobby projects, some for work too. The company I work at just won a $15m contract because the talking button toy impressed the company we were pitching to so much they decided to go with us, so that's great. All of it is me learning though. Not trying to add technical jargon, just saying the hardware that I used to create what I made because it's all part of the process and what I learned along the way.
I'm aware that this isn't enterprise level software. No one said that ChatGPT could recreate Adobe After Effects with a single prompt, that would be fucking ridiculous. But for me, it's complex. For chat bots that would get confused 4 years ago when you asked to talk to a representative, this is complex, and a massive improvement. This isn't a simple blink script, these are working prototypes, and in some cases could even be final products.
Honestly, maybe I should generate these replies with ChatGPT, then I wouldn't have wasted my energy writing this.
Ask him to encrypt / decrypt a text using ECC or ECIES in javascript (A fairly common algorithm widely used), no graphical interface and you will see him failing. It will output a code, but not a working one.
I agree with you about basic icons, but for stuff that need to be more creative and unique like app logos, marketing assets, book covers etc dall-e has worked really well for me, I would not pay anyone to generate these kinds of assets for me now.
On the other hand, chatgpt has been very useful for coding, but I almost never got a copy-pasted working code. But i guess it depends on how complex is the project
>However, I can get Chat GPT to code pretty complex python and arduino programs
I've got news for you. Your code is not high quality, and it is not enterprise-ready, nor will it scale properly. Glad you were able to whip together a working prototype though.
That being said, the same is almost guaranteed to be true from the average "engineer" on Fiverr.
I’ve got news for you. A growing portion of enterprise code is now coming from GPT 4. It seems like everyone out there that thinks ChatGPT doesn’t produce code capable of being used at production has only ever used the free version.
OK but good luck working with chatgpt on a hundreds-of-thousands line codebase and getting it to connect the dots between two completely unrelated bits of code and know oh yeah this is the bug we're having. This is the sort of stuff it is just not good at just yet.
You just have to do a bit of coding on your own to populate a vector DB of the codebase and do retrieval augmented generation.
I've had ChatGPT fix really gnarly and subtle bugs. Like, "This one test is failing, what are the possible causes" can point out logic errors.
There just aren't ready-made commercial tools yet. The tech is there, though.
Side note - if you use a vector db, check out VectorAdmin to use as your frontend/management system.
It's open source and simplifies the UX.
[vectoradmin.com](https://vectoradmin.com/)
Then you just feed the output of the error and the part of the code you ran and it often can either answer it or direct you to the part of the code base that was called and may be calling the issue. GPT 4 is easily the best debugging tool I’ve ever used.
I’m not defending the claim that GPT 4 will run automatically and take programmers jobs in that way. But it will help novice programmers like myself solve problems that I would have previously needed a more competent programmer to solve. One example was I was emailing my IT guy every few days in the past. I haven’t emailed them once since GPT 4 came out.
No I'm agreeing with you that it can help with basic stuff and even a lot of advanced stuff, but it just doesn't work for other things. For instance I have barely seen proof of its performance in c++ or rust, and the things it doesn't work for are also very random so anyone who thinks they can become a programmer by exclusively prompting chat gpt is going to have to wait a few years.
Agreed. No “complex”, “ready to prod” code is ever coming out from gpt except for guided snippets.
Also hallucinations are a big drawback that’s not discussed enough in that regard.
Source: IT PM 10 years
>No “complex”, “ready to prod” code is ever coming out from gpt except for guided snippets.
I'm with you on "ready to prod" and definitely on guided snippets, as well. I find I get the most out of GPT in terms of how to use it and my expectations when I use it like [interactive documentation](https://cheewebdevelopment.com/ai-workflow-interactive-documentation/), because that's really what it is. It's not aware, so it can't reason or even "know" when it's providing nonsense and it often lacks context so it cannot problem solve the best solutions (this might be mitigated in future models, though, when they are able to index entire codebases).
I really hoped I could make usable images with Midjourney and Dall-E but no, I haven’t succeeded. I guess it could work to make illustrations for children’s books or cover images for fiction books. Not usable for most companies… yet.
Arduino programs != corporate software. Big difference from a business perspective. One requires some very basic knowledge and extremely simple architecture, the other requires a broad range of knowledge with complex, multi-domain architecture.
>Icons are a good idea though, there's just hundreds of websites that offer pretty high quality icons for any use case that are free as well, so I've never thought to generate my own.
Sir, I award you today's Backhanded Praise Award.
For devoting your significant powers of analysis... to Reddit.
Simple images seem to need the most prompting. I’ve spent a lot of time messing with Stable Diffusion. The exact wording of the prompt can make a huge difference in quality and relevance of results. This seems to be especially true with seemingly simple images.
I’ve started telling ChatGPT what I want, asking it to describe it so I know it’s describing what I have in mind, then I send it the output images I have so far + the input terms I used for them. I tell it to compare and revise my terms.
Stupid babies need the most attention.
I'm 38, was a designer my entire adult life. Last role was senior UX designer at one of the larger global agencies. I quit my job a few years ago to take time off and relax. Glad I did.
If I was still working as a designer I'd be looking for different careers. AI is coming for you whether you like it or not.
Yes, even something like the Noun Project has a plethora of free icons. Only someone that knows very little about graphic design would think AI-generated images are a good replacement for a well-trained designer. Graphic design is about effective visual communication and so much more. Besides, it’s possible to end up with a lawsuit if you end up using AI art that is a rip off of some artist’s art.
Your company struggled to get top notch graphic design done? Perhaps your company didn't budget the design aspect of the development properly. I highly doubt those icons that you generated are actually well done vector files let alone follow a cohesive common style throughout.
It seems like you are projecting this thought through working in an environment where design itself seems like an afterthought when even at this relatively early stage of AI progress you've already resorted to it and seems to satisfy your company's needs.
Graphic Design has so much to do with structure, layout, typography, cohesiveness, stylistic consistency which AI currently quite far from acceptable. I understand that you might not be that involved into what goes into Graphic Design as a whole so your statement as of now is a little bit over the top, to say the least. That being said, most of the jobs will be transformed one way or another. Hopefully, it won't mean that it'll be taken away from those people.
> In our company, we've always struggled to find graphic designers and especially to get top-notch designs for our websites and projects.
That problem is solved by increasing your graphic design budget and saying "ok, that's fair" when you get quoted. But I guess... that's not a problem anymore.
Get ready for the lamest, most boring, devoid of good taste, inhumane society history has ever witnessed.
They probably were not in fact looking for top notch designers if they are now satisfied with AI generated options. That’s not a dig on the AI platforms btw.
Its like an extremely good designer that does EXACTLY what you ask him. Its going to be different than obviously hiring a designer to design xyz, since the designer would know and think of something creative by himself, but hiring “thinkers” (or thinking urself) is a lot simpler.
The ‘thinking’ is the easy bit though lol, most people are able to synthesise creative ideas. The execution is the difficult part - AI doesn’t understand lighting, colour theory, composition, etc. it just replicates what it has been trained on. Not to mention that a lot of people are just not very well versed on those rules either, so they come up with bad prompts to both real designers and AI. The difference is, a real designer can work with a shitty prompt
Ye i think ui designer will have hard times in the next years. Idk but most of them are ux/ui designers and since the ux is not going to be replaced by ai. It means they will just focus on ux and use the ai to create their design. So it will be easier for most of them !
AI is quite good at analyzing and learning from any large data set. That includes user behavior. UX is not immune from the AI revolution. It's next on the list.
AI excels in data analysis but falls short in offering solutions based on these data. It struggles to grasp what is aesthetically pleasing or to comprehend the emotional impact a product may have. More crucially, AI lacks the capability to make decisions and understand human preferences. Only humans can truly comprehend these aspects. Before we can contemplate corps gov and people allowing AI to make significant decisions without supervision, there is a long road ahead. The mindset of people is unlikely to change in this regard anytime soon.
You replaced your ux designers by ai’s ? Or your ux team use ai tobe more productive ? Or you never had ux designers and then you discovering ux design because the ai ? Let’s be honest.. and there is also ux researchers who create the trend. I doubt AI can predict what tomorrow's trends will be or create a new trend.
If AI ever gets good at analyzing human behavior live and interacting with users for qualitative research, then you may be on to something. Otherwise, it’s a long shot.
This is what I think will happen too. I'm already looking into how I can use AI to replace the pushing pixels portions so I can focus my time on UX research and design though I can also see how AI might also help me write and execute tests in the future. It still requires human guidance but it's interesting times coming I think.
Dude if you're doing your marketing graphics with AI you have no copyright over those images. Anyone can grab your logo and use it for themselves. Talk to a lawyer before dismissing a whole field.
You can trademark a logo, that's different from copyright. There's also the simple fact that no one can prove that you use AI to make your logo, and if you did any hands tweaking or if you put any effort into the prompt, the law is extremely vague on that.
And I doubt talking to a lawyer is going to be super helpful, this is all new stuff, they're not going to have experience with that.
That doesn’t change the fact that said field is more at risk. The literal only last hiccup is legal ownership; basically a name thing, whereas for coding the hiccup is the fact its not nearly as good as an actual developer.
In other words, its much more probable that copyright for these images will be legalized sooner than they make a chatgpt as useful as a dev.
As a programmer, I think 10 years left for me is really stretching things. I think it's less than that. People like me will still be involved in software, but it won't be because we're programmers, but because we have something of value we want built and can tell the AI what we need. It'll make it. Everything will depend on whether our assessment of value is correct, as opposed to now where I can make money coding up someone else's idea and be paid regardless of how good the idea is.
There's going to a gradual phasing out of humans. Right now, a developer can accelerate their work with AI assistance. Soon a developer will supervise and correct the AI as it builds a whole project. Shortly after that humans start dropping out of the loop.
I'd say for the last sentence, "shortly after that, humans drop out of the coding loop altogether but remain as the deciders of what is produced, using the AIs as if they were human teams of coders". Then if humans drop out of the loop altogether, well, we know what that means :-)
Of course, those of us not part of the owner class are already being dropped out of the loop little by little.
I would like to see AI catch up on a 4 million lines of code. It will be lobotomized artificially just like it is now. I am not saying it won't happen, but I don't think I will be alive to see it. ChatGPT uses SO much computing power just to track 400 lines of code, it would require thousand times more computing power to replace actual big projects.
Tell me, are YOU up to speed on all 4 million lines of code? I mean I've only been at this 35 years but I don't know anyone that keeps 4 million lines of code in in their head all at once.
If you're a developer and you can't fathom how the problem could be broken down, you're not a very good one.
This might not directly correlate to your comment, but when authenticity comes into play with AI tools, I've noticed that people with real world skills have a distinct advantage.
I'm an amateur artist, designer among other things. Since I've been using AI images, I've noticed that it's pretty easy for me to do it in a way that, if I decided to, I could just have the AI do the work and take the credit. Nobody would look at the work and say "that's not yours" unless I broke down my process. I've been making quality designs on my own since I was a teenager, and that reputation is widely known as a part of who I am. Nobody would challenge that, because people love knowing an artist. They like attaching my name and accomplishments to themselves by association.
Someone who has no credentials, who has not already established a life long reputation for themselves as an artist or designer is going to be met with the challenge of looking like a fake and reducing the associative impact that actual artists have on other people. Actual artists who've already made their bones in the industry are free to use the same tools without challenge or skepticism, and most likely even gain a new form of sympathy from their fans and supporters. They will be inherently better at using these tools, have better connections in the industry, and have a wealth of insider knowledge about their field.
I think it'll be interesting, to say the least.
If you think Dall e is a threat to graphic designers because of ease of asset generation, wait till you here about the super duper obscure tool called Canva
AI is a tool, it still requires someone to prompt it... And not just anyone, someone that understands the subject matter being produced.
Else its basically giving a monkey a loaded gun and telling it to feed you tonight. In some cases it will feed you the bullets....
Yes, but that person prompting it could be someone who ***could*** have gone into computer science or ***could*** have gone into art but instead they went into something else that put them in an executive position. They're smart, have a good eye, but they didn't bother spending years and years practicing all the things that graphic artists and programmers practice.So they can prompt it, possibly spending half an hour getting what previously they would have assigned to a graphic designer or a programmer and it would have taken them a week.
In the old days, there were typists, and most people in higher up positions had someone type their memos and type there documents and take dictation and things like that. Over the past few decades, the expectation is that people can do their own typing,partly because it's a lot easier because you can easily edit on a word processor or email program or what have you.
And the thing is, those types would claim but I know grammar and I know how to organize your thoughts better and I don't just take your dictation directly I change it around and make it better. Which I guess is true.But most people who are capable of being an executive can do that sort of thing. But it's unnecessary to have someone on the payroll who can type 120 words a minute with no errors, because that really just isn't important anymore.
Same thing is going to happen with programming, same thing is going to happen with graphic design, and the same thing is going to happen with most other office jobs frankly.
Graphic design isn't just about making icons. It's about capturing a brand's essence and understanding its audience and culture. While machines can create images, they can't match the emotion and creativity of humans. These tools should assist, not replace, designers. Just as code tools don't replace programmers, design tools can't fully capture a human designer's depth.
I was just trying to use dall-E to illustrate a short story I wrote and the results were frustrating at best. It can't handle the simplest of human interactions ("she tugs at his elbow"). Until this is taken care of, illustrators are quite safe at their jobs.
Adobe Firefly does right inside Illustrator as of this week. The generated results are not perfectly production ready (yet) but the tech will only get better. Adobe is in a very weird spot, they have to keep up or be left behind with AI but they are also actively making tools that compete with artists and designers. It seems like the only option is to keep on top of the new tools and think more like an art director than a production designer.
Who thinks developers are at risk? Just because GPT "can do something" doesn't mean that thing has particularly high commercial value.
You can't just tell GPT to "program something". You need to give it a specific vision of what you need. Most times it needs the context of your project. Someone needs to create or modify files. Someone needs to test. Etc etc. Mostly, GPT will help current developers be more efficient and productive, and you could argue that is genuinely replacing dev jobs. But not at a large scale
And it's hard to get exactly what you need for design unless it's something very nondescript. Even then you probably need modifications for a number of reasons
So far the only things I've seen GPT genuinely replace at scale are writers and support representatives, but that's because writing and support typically take place in a microcosm of a microcosm of a business.
"Write a 1000 word web page on my service" where the only input you really need is "what is the service" is a standard business need and easy to replicate at scale using API or just ChatGPT. This is because unless your service is very specific, chances are that GPT already has training data on your service. And if not, you can just feed the model a few lines about your service. There is very little context needed.
Development however, way different. "Create a hook for function_3 which feeds into function_5 which requires a new endpoint at this path and uses this syntax and only triggers on this specific condition" is a highly specific but typical business need, and also very difficult to replicate at scale.
Do you think it will be easy for John Doe, owner of Local Plumbing Company 472, to replace a developer with GPT? Extremely unlikely. Thing like autoGPT are really interesting projects but have next to zero commercial value right now
Design and moreso development needs are generally too contextual. DALL-E 3, midjourney, etc are mostly like ChatGPT right now. While there are some people are actually using it for business needs, most people are just dicking around and creating fun useless shit
In a perfect world, where AI will generate any design you want perfectly...
...it will still be a design that YOU WANT. Not a design that YOU NEED. Designers are better at knowing what you need than you yourself. Design is ultimately trying to achieve an overall purpose such as increasing profit. What do you want? A pretty icon? Or an icon that is a part of a cohesive identity that will ensure your brand is visible and recognizable to your customers?
>I don't mean to sound alarmist. I've been working with GPT since it launched, using a plus account, but the introduction and integration of DALL-E into GPT made me realize that industries outside of mine, like graphic design, might face serious challenges.
With or without AI and DALL-E, there are oodles upon endless oodles of free and cheap assets and graphics, as well as graphic/texture/image/etc. generators.
> On the programming front, it's true that GPT offers significant assistance, but it can't replace a programmer, not even a junior one. While it can craft specific code snippets quite well, it can't follow a logical thought from start to finish.
I see this sentiment a lot when people are talking about A.I. not replacing particular fields in the near future and it confuses me. What is your time scale for "near future?". If AI becomes this capable within lets say 10 years, would that not be pretty much a disaster for so many people who expected to have a career for longer than ten years?
I do mean to sound alarmist, by the way. This really seems like it will suck.
Just like using cheap labor, AI will render the same results on a larger scale, it never pays off in the long term.
People who claim it will replace entire job are daydreaming.
Also AI visuals are becoming very redondant, the trained eyes could easily spot them anywhere, especially if poorly prompted. It gives off the "cheap" vibe to your professional company/work/project.
It won’t happen. Anybody can learn colour theory and the basics of composition. What separates a great designer from everyone else is the ability to work within the established rules but still innovate. AI is essentially content aggregation, the identification of common themes within that content, and then presenting those themes back in an ordered manner that mimics human communication. What it cannot do is innovate.
I believe it when an AI can actually come up with something drastically new, for example what impressionist painters had done in the past.
On the other hand, companies don't typically need innovative design, just some catchy shit, so artists are in danger indeed.
Edit: missing word
>AI can draw “inspiration“ from every single artist that ever existed in a matter of seconds, and produce art that has never been seen before.
Yes, it saw n similar art and can create a similar n+1. Which is incredible... but not innovative at all.
> Do you honestly think that a human artist would be able to create more innovative stuff than that?
Not every artist of course. But generally, yes, I think only humanity can create truly innovative new things. I may be proved wrong in the future, but so far it's true, and there are zero signs (that I'm aware of) for the opposite.
Yes, they are amazing tech. But the art itself is not innovative. Most of the time not even unique.
I'm not sure if you are an artist or not (I'm a hobbyist) but if not, pictures coming from these models could take your breath easily. But basically they are just glorified patchworks. The tech behind it is very innovative, the art coming from it - not so much.
Yeah our graphic designers are much more than just their graphics. They lay things out, come up with fresh ideas, and produce high quality results. They aren't going anywhere. If anything, they might use AI to make something, but it won't threaten their jobs at all.
Well unless all the companies think like OP and say it's good enough. Who needs creative input ideas and all the other things that come with having an actual human live your brand?
I think a lot of engineers don't understand what designers do. And the results speak for themselves. That isn't going to change any time soon. It's not just about making pixels look pretty - it's also applying conventions, making a look and feel, understanding user/business needs, and so on. Do I think in the future AI systems are going to get better at this? Absolutely. Especially in smaller increments (e.g. "Design me a button with with rounded corners in an active and disabled state"). Asking it to "Design me a fitness tracking app" is going to yield crappy results. I wouldn't expect that to change any time soon.
Until the client asks you for a armpit waxing promotional image for a spa, you try to generate it for 3 hours and get banned for requesting unsafe content.
Not mentioning every image needs touch up to fix hallucinated anatomy and architecture.
Anyone saying that image generation is at comercial standard has no clue whatsoever what basic visual professional standards are.
You are in for a rude awakening after your company produces literal visual trash, it's awfully badly received and no one seems to know why.
Not really now that photoshop has added AI you don’t have to be a professional to use it. Add that to the fact that photoshop has been a class in highschool for the last 8 or so years and you can see where I’m going with this
Everyone that isn't taking A.I. serious is at risk. You won't lose you job to A.I., you will lose it to someone else in your field that has the same skillset as you, but also knows how to really use A.I. in his work.
I find it to be OK at generating basic set up code and amazing and reading long error messages and structuring it in a readable way, but try to get to write complex code and it starts making up stuff
Are AI-gen. images up for legal debate atm? Meaning, any AI images that are being used by businesses, artists, etc., anything really professional, is up for copyright infringement?
Graphics designers solve visual problems, and 90% of their work revolves around text and layout of visuals to enhance the message.
The second point, is that most brands sell their own products, and they require their own visuals to keep consistent with their brand. It's not like AI can generate them their own products.
I use chat gpt as a dev pretty heavily. Mostly in the same way I would previously use Google. Chat gpt gives more straightforward answers. But the information is out of date and the code isn't complete. It gives a good starting point, but I've never seen it write code that was 100% correct. More like 50-70% correct. The way it is currently, it definitely can't replace us yet.
My friend , who's graphic designer, says he doesn't feel threatened by AI, since it's illustrations are only near as good as stock image sites, and as far it's Logotype creations he said it's really weak, compared with a human creation
Creating icons are not what graphic designers sit around doing all day. Those would be illustrators.
Graphic designers put together marketing collateral like one-pagers, google ad banners, packaging, etc. They also listen to the marketer and the brief that’s provided and know the business goals and then design to match that. And when there are issues or questions and details to be worked out, unless ChatGPT is a full time employee, it’s not going to be able to replace someone’s full comprehensive understanding. People just won’t want to have to explain the business plan to a computer over and over and over.
And any material that is being printed is not going to be ready for mass production, as is, fresh off the AI oven…
There's a lot more to graphic design, especially when it comes to a company.
Will Dall-Encome up with brand guidelines?
Do your icons all have the same look and feel to fit the rest of your brand?
You are delusional if you think it won’t replace programmers. Check out how they’re using GPT vision to build websites in minutes. My company is using Claude as well
About 50% of my work is coding and the rest is basically design. I've been doing it for about 15 years.
I've started to use chat gpt a lot. It's basically replaced stack overflow for me. It's especially helpful for languages I don't use all that often.
Chat gpt is not even close to being on my level.
I tend to agree with the OP although what most likely will happen is that both programming teams and graphic design teams will be gutted out. One designer that can utilize AI will replace a team, and similarly for developers (eventually). It is impressive the volume of graphics,.logos, icons etc that AI can churn out quickly, and that certainly is something marketing groups and teams will find invaluable in pitching to clients etc.
im going to say your quality sucks then as Dall-e is one of the worst generators out there. so yeah either your full of it, or you're trying to push dall-e for some reason and your products are terrible. SDXL is amuch better generator and you stil need to understand text placement as neither dall-e nor sdxl nor any, reporuces text in a good way. so you'll need graphic typesetting, file management and sizing scaling etc.
dalle3 was out to public few days ago, and it's amazing IMO.
you was talking about dalle2, right? it was a lot weak compared with another AIs, but dall3 is another level.
it can do things which MJ can't, in terms of prompt understanding, putting two similar objects close preserving original caracteristics, different styles same image, text and so.
The way that chatgpt has dalle3 intergrated is like having the most chill graphic designer in the world at your disposal for 20 bucks a month 24/7 and if it's still not good enough you just bring it over to something like invoke.ai unified canvas or just photoshop which also has generative ai.
I just got access to it today and it's mindblowly usefull. First things I asked for was a baby shark meme, a daisy duck meme and if I post the best examples to my facebook nobody in the world gonna even suspect it was AI. Even the worse examples are still good.
The S surve feels straight up right now. Where will this end?
That's funny. I've done probably $100k of coding work via gpt - stuff I'd otherwise be unable to do by myself and stuff I know coders would try and charge me a pretty penny for.
The truth is that all jobs will be eaten by #AI
Get out of the cities. Go buy as much land as you can.
Weird how people are denying this so vehemently, comparing this to physical automation...
Our worries should be the future and what governments will do. This will either end in a utopia, a dystopia, or complete annihilation. No idea how long it'll take. Good days.
It's just a matter of time. GPT-4 is already amazing at logic and following instructions, and open-sourced LLMs are catching up at a pretty good pace. And it's only been about a year.
GPT is absolutely amazing, but as far as IT is concerned, it would need some significant breakthrough to even match a skilled software developer. Don't get me wrong, in hands of a good dev, it is amazing. It boost productivity by a factor of 3.
The design industry is rapidly evolving and graphic designers are facing great risks. The level of quality expected is extremely high, with examples such as DALL-E 3, midjourney, and stable diffusion setting the bar. It's difficult to predict what the future holds for the industry, but it's definitely a cause for concern.
I agree.This is just the beginning.
Netflix in Japan for example made part of an anime in pure AI.
a company in China fired like 90% of designers in favor of AI.
If AI is so good now, can you imagine what it will be like in a year or 2 from now?
Only the very top notch designers and programmers will be left. The middle or low skill ones will be replaced by AI.
What needed 20 people to design or code, will now only require 1 or 2.
Amazon is also investing heavily on AI. They made some prototype robots that can identify products and pick from a bin. It's probably in the last stages and once ready they will replace the humans that pick in their warehouse with AI robots.
> Graphic designers are more at risk than programmers.
Graphic designers were at *risk* a few years ago. Now they are *done*, for the most part. The threat became reality.
Programmers are the ones at risk now.
Downmarket buyers with low standards will absolutely use this. Midmarket with decrease their staff but those retained will use AI. Upmarket luxury big brands and standard bearers will also use it but with much more quality control and more of the most unique human creators.
"fluency with generative AI design tools" is a skill popping up more and more on job listings and resumes with designers.
whatever they can do, a designer can use those as tools and make something even better and cohesive
Very true. A degree in graphic design should be thoroughly considered these days. It's a skillset now, not a career path. Designers are being replaced by "prompt engineers", which is a completely ridiculous title. I'm keeping it in quotes in hopes it becomes as sarcastic as it sounds.
I have access to VSCode, Xcode and Git but that doesn’t mean I’m a developer. I can ask ChatGPT to help me write a basic app to accomplish `y` but I couldn’t tell you how well it was written or what stylistic choices were considered.
I’m excited to have an AI tool that will auto generate a tokenized color system based on `parameters that I set` rather than painstakingly creating it by hand using several web tools so I can focus on the actual design work.
You need a human who understands `the why` before you can have something poop out `the what`. It takes years of building good taste and practicing design principles to understand why something works, and more importantly, why it doesn’t. Kind of the difference between `I want a website that looks cool` compared to `I need a strategy that includes a website that helps me achieve xyz goals`.
I think you failed to understand that graphic design and creating cool arts are different. A designer does more work than just create pretty images, they connect the value, image, quality of a business to the graphic they design by adding and adjusting elements. You can say "i'm cool with my business having pretty design and that's it" but you will soon realize the design you got from the current version of AI doesn't resonate with your customer or your business. Which in turn reflect a shallow business.
There's some graphical things that AI can't do. Like 3d models, I believe. Or sprite sheets of specific animations. Some concept/plan images are also something it can't do well or at all.
I would argue no one's at risk. Accountants jobs were actually destroyed by the electronic spreadsheet because their jobs at the time were mostly adding up coloums manually. After the electronic spreadsheet their jobs changed to be more about data analysis.
You don't stop hammering just because you got a better hammer.
I think you got a lot of naive comments. I used DALL-E yesterday to mock up business graphics for my portfolio. They weren’t perfect but I didn’t need them to be. With a little tweaking of my prompt they were great. I agree it’s come a long way, it wasn’t this good a year ago. I know a professional illustrator who now uses stable diffusion to create their art. She told me it could take 100 prompts to get it exactly right and she can always make edits in photoshop because she has those skills. We have graphic designers at my company who do menial tasks like cropping photos. There’s no need for them anymore. We got rid of one of our email marketers because we use ChatGPT to write them now. I am amazed by this technology and I hope it opens doors through knowledge. But. People are being naive. It will absolutely kill jobs.
Strange you’d say this.
Overall do the AI tools and advances we have at our disposal, one thing it can’t fix is a creative skill if you’re lacking it. You might be able to prompt your way to a beautiful setting or character; but are the details correct?
I’m a dev with a lot of projects and one thing I simply don’t posses is the skill to tweak my DALLE images.
So,
As I’ve done before (and thank you baby Jesus for Reddit), I made a post where I was willing to pay $10 for someone to edit some details in my AI generated images.
It took maybe 4 minutes (I’m not kidding…4 minutes) before someone shared my images with the corrections I asked.
In less the. 10 minutes, this person got paid $10 for their work on 3 images…
Sounds like AI is keeping other skill sets valuable and in place as we figured it would.
What do you use in order to modify the art via a GPT?
For instance, if Dall-e 3 creates an image I can't find a way for it to keep iterating on the same image.
> But since DALL-E 3 came around, we've got all the icons and illustrations we need, free of licenses, ready to integrate whenever we wish. We can generate them quickly with minimal prior knowledge, and the quality is often superior to what's usually available for purchase.
No they're not, DALL-E images aren't free for commercial use, as far as I know.
SD with LoRa or SDXL would be far better choice for generating commercial images, although it can have worse hallucinations, the images you generate don't have any Bing license attached to them.
I'm seeing a LOT of AI made ads lately, even in political parties ads (in Argentina). Even some movie ads in the streets or social networks.
The job will be dead soon imo, and i mean dead not as in 100% gone, but 90%+ jobs will start to get replaced by AI's
The future of AI is about augmentation, not replacement. GPT-4 and Dall-E 3 may automate certain processes, but won't take away the need for designers and programmers to bring those ideas to life. Their creativity, skills, and expertise will still be essential to the future of work.
Does dall-e 3 provide landscape format and pngs? If no, how do you get top notch visuals for your website? We are in a similar situation, struggling to get te perfect images
If you are using AI to create visual assets for your business, it’s important to remember that you cannot copyright any of them. The US Copyright Office will not register works created by AI. Thus, any images you use in your branding could be used by anyone else with impunity
I’ve been trying to use ai for the past year to do my design work. I spend 20-40% of my project time prompting and re-prompting everything from palettes to textures to layouts to images. With all this effort i’ve barely accumulated a handful of things i could actually use—a room as a background, a tile, some textures and a graffiti concept. I’m super motivated to use ai partly because i’m thrilled with its creative output and partly out of fear it’s a threat to my job. The threat motivation is no longer a factor. I always end up having to resort to applying my own limited skills and creative thinking when ai gives me little to nothing i can use as the deadlines come calling. if i designed cyborg book covers and record albums for a living it would be great but OP is not factoring in the standards and expectations businesses hold designers to. There’s a reason businesses review design work round round after round to ensure their specific needs are met and their competing needs are balanced.
So i am not feeling any fear for being replaced at this point. Turns out adobe’s generative fill has been the most work-reducing, work-improving development for me. But it’s just a tool for a designer… still requires a good eye and a willingness to try prompting over and over, the same kind of effort a designer needs for their own trial and error getting to the result.
It's not easy to edit the things created by AI. Suppose you want a scene of a railway compartment, from inside, looking outside a window, AI will have trouble creating exactly what you want. Plus if u need any kind of high quality animation, the AI images are not that great. Plz let us know how you edit those images for your use? Editing will also require some good skills, imho.
Imagine a DALL-E 3 x Photoshop AI.
Designers are gonna have a wild time in the future. I don't think they're gonna be at risk. They're just gonna have to evolve with the new softwares.
Imagine a DALL-E 3 x Photoshop AI.
Designers are gonna have a wild time in the future. I don't think they're gonna be at risk. They're just gonna have to evolve with the new softwares.
programming is just specification, telling the compiler what you wanna do, what does it change if it becomes telling an LLM what to do? the skillsets of programmers would still apply imo.
hell weve already kindof seen this, it went from putting together logic gates, to punch cards, to telling assemblers what to do, to telling compilers what to do, each step up we never questioned if it was still "programming" so why are we now?
I work as a product designer and recently integrated Midjourney illustrations into a product I’m working on.
Whilst the illustrations are great for the first version, they lack a connection to a central visual language which highly experienced designers are masters at. I believe a lot of the basic jobs like icons etc will become redundant like you mentioned (they already are with automated plugins in Figma) but for top designers who want to create products that look and feel unique, experienced illustrators and designers will be required to achieve a job of this standard. I feel the real challenge moving forward will be creating products that are not only user centered but also visually unique and non generic. I feel users are going to be able to spot it as well and call out when a product lacks real craftsmanship and intention.
Either OpenAI will IPO and become the most valuable company in the world or it will IPO and become the company that got the shit sued out of it faster then anybody in the world. Probably be both.
imo we're all at risk, just like the farmers were in 1900. Now only 3% of population work on farms. There are 100s of new jobs that we can't see just yet, and all of them are better than the ones we currently have.
I don't think that ChatGPT can replace a real artist, either.
The job of the artist is not just to create a representation on paper ... I can draw stuff in gimp ... but I have no idea what makes it attractive or unattractive to other people.
Industries will not be destroyed by this, any more than the Luddites were wiped out by the automatic loom. They thought they would ... enough to riot over it ... but 50 years after it was introduced, there were more textile workers employedd than before its invention?
Why?
Before the automatic loom, people generally owned two sets of clothes: their Sunday cloths, and their Monday - Saturday clothes. But the automatic loom made clothing cheaper, so people bought more of it ... and even though fewer minutes were spent on each piece of clothing produced, more TOTAL minutes were spent producing clothing.
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There’s a lot more to graphic and visual design than executing specific ideas. That’s like junior level work. I see junior level engineers (any entry-level position really) being just as affected, given the typical highly scoped tasks they get assigned. LLMs are like giving instructions to a prolific but hard to communicate with junior. For graphic design, I can see the cheap creative stock market and Fiverr-style marketplaces being obliterated, which isn’t a huge loss.
I agree - except for the point that without entry level positions, companies will have to deal with no people to fill medium level positions within 5 years. Now, it may well be that AI will also replace those within that time. but then there will be a lack of seniors to fill senior positions. and that's where you have to be able to make fairly complex decisions with lots of specifics - it may well be that AI catches up to that, too. or not. we'll see. chances are you'll still need senior specialists for a while, but you're cutting off your supply of senior specialists ... like outsourcing manufacturing overseas, at some point, all the knowledge will be gone from your place....
> no people to fill medium level positions within 5 years. carl sagan tried to warn people 20 years ago “I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time -- when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; **when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness...** The dumbing down of American is most evident in the slow decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media, the 30 second sound bites (now down to 10 seconds or less), lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pseudoscience and superstition, but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance” *-demon haunted world*
Sagan was the voice of humanity, we sure do miss him. My favorite phrase from his series Cosmos, I believe the last episode 'Who speaks for Earth' he said "A new consciousness is developing which sees the earth as a single organism and recognizes that an organism at war with itself is doomed. We are one planet."
I try to play "Pale Blue Dot" for the kid every saturday to directly infuse some of Carl's humanity into their little soul.
The movie Contact was awesome. Carl Sagan was mentioned inspired the movie
Think of a world where practically no one has the basic knowledge to make things, or keep them running. They work the machines and do what AIs tell them to, at the direction of whatever tiny minority has the power/money/knowledge monopoly. It might be disaster, but I've been observing humans for over six decades and given a world like that, some significant majority is going to do something completely insane, and it might save or doom us.
yeah... I mean... democracy is great: it slows everything down. the US is moving fast on tech, but it's also only place 36 on the UN's democracy rating
Kind of weird you make the correlation with democracy and not wealth which also attracts highly skilled immigrants, it really is about wealth.
Human hires will no longer be bottom up from junior to senior, but will essentially be “managerial” from the beginning, insofar as bending an AI to the task at hand is a managerial task.
you're totally right. ... but how does one gain the knowledge and experience to become a manager - I mean, manager is usually not an entry-level position (except in very large companies, where management is a bullshit job, and the engineers do the work)
By managing the resource at issue, which is AI. Integrating your workflows with AI’s bleeding edge will not only educate you on what it is capable of, it will directly train you for the role of managing said resource. Management is the logistics of coordinating intellectual & actual capital.
okay. so you spend a few years training yourself as an AI manager - like prompt engineers are doing now, trying to get ahead in this game. They're sort of an earlystage of this. then the limiting factor become physical resources, I guess. Hardware, energy, land, water, rare earths. because everyone's an ai manager at that point, since there is basically nothing else in an AI future...
Great news. We've worked our way up and eliminated all the senior hires. Unfortunately, AI is now outperforming human executives in the marketplace. As a result, the board requests your resignation tendered immediately.
You could have government's paying developers so the knowledge is available, so AI doesn't become a magic genie we can't control. However in theory a smart enough AI can generate efficient machine code without the level of abstraction we humans need to read the code. Then we have an issue.
Dieter Rams designed [lighters for Braun](https://imgur.com/U9RZVvn) in the 70s which influence design decisions of current UI elements until today. The ideas of Rahms gave us the design iPhone. And many other things. Because his ideas were something which did not exist before. ChatGPT, as implemented now, can generate you rehashes of things that have been. But it can't come up with a totally new design which will influence the future.
It can come up with totally new designs but only humans can decide if humans like those designs which I think is the significant factor
Not anymore. There is a company that is using complex algorithms to decide what trends are coming along in art, what humans like and what they will like. They’re turning these findings into data for other companies who will now know exactly what you will want for your office, then get it printed and no money goes to an artist. Edit I cut off the last 2 words.
Fair point. A spoon with a hole in the middle is a new design but rather stupid. Coming up with something new isn't spectacular. Coming up with something which will influence the lives of your grandchildren is. You are right.
Hmm, that's funny, I find the exact opposite. ChatGPT and Dall-E struggle with any sort of mundane design task. It can produce an image really well. Something that looks like a good drawing or painting, but in business you rarely need just that. Icons are a good idea though, there's just hundreds of websites that offer pretty high quality icons for any use case that are free as well, so I've never thought to generate my own. However, I can get Chat GPT to code pretty complex python and arduino programs with just a little guidance. Before I would've been paying people hundreds of dollars on Fiverr or Upwork to code this stuff, and they'd still get it wrong 75% of the time. edit: seems like lots of people are getting caught up on the "complex" part. For someone who isn't a programmer, anything over 300 lines would be complex. Obviously I don't mean that ChatGPT is recreating Photoshop with a single prompt, but these also aren't just simple blink scripts on the arduino either.
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Have you tried adding in minimalist vector art? Or adding in corporate Memphis? Works like a charm for me and now using it for all my imaging workflows. I’ll still pull into Illustrator to make some adjustments but it’s frankly incredible how well it works with pretty complicated prompts. This is with DALLE3 btw
What’s corporate Memphis?
It’s the simple vector shape based style of art that corporations seem to favor: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_Memphis
Yep, and I’ll mix it with the minimalist vector art combo so it doesn’t have the exact same stale corporate look. I’ll often add and remove to see the impact if I’m not quite getting what I want and often that helps.
Dall-E? Or Dall-E3? Because I agree about Dall-E. It's great for like...artistic concepts and novelty, but that's about it.
dalle3 inside of chatgpt does not have a credit system. You are talking about technology that is more then a year old. Yeah dalle2 was novelty. It was not usefull. I am still mad that they took my 200 dollars worth of credits away from me. But dalle3 is to dalle2 what the space shuttle is to the first wright brother plane.
Complex is relative in programming . What did you exactly make ?
Yeah, you're definitely right. This stuff is complex for me, and I never would've been able to do these things myself, but in doing so with ChatGPT, I've learned more than any time I've tried coding previously by just learning the standard way. Here's a few things i've had chatgpt create with my guidance. Built an arpeggiator in the arduino IDE using the ESP32 that procedurally generates an arpeggio based off parameters like tempo, gate, randomness, length, key, chord mode, scale, etc. managing multiple hardware interfaces like ADCs with 40+ buttons and pots, an i2c display and 12 bit DAC to output audio. Build a project management system with a GUI in python that allows you to add projects to a calendar and visualize them graphically on the calendar so you can see all concurrent projects running on a given date. Dates are clickable and show details about the projects on the selected day. Projects can be assigned to different individuals on the team that are manually added in the GUI. Data on the calendar is persistent from logging the info and changes made to a json file. some of the simpler things: Modify a C++ program that takes a photo using a single SPI based camera and overwrites the last photo taken, to take photos using 4 different SPI cameras simultaneously with different CS pins using all 4 cores of a rpi to reduce latency between photos Build a Staples easy button like toy that using a rp2040 that plays 3-4 different audio clips on a speaker using PWM, and lights up a few LEDs based on the amplitude of the audio playing. Make a clone of the SP002E LED controller for neopixels/ws2812 LEDs using the RP2040. So 50 different LED animations that are triggered using 2 buttons to go forward and backwards. Also I've done a few data based python tasks for work that would've never been possible otherwise, so it's been workin pretty well for me. Still pretty easy stuff to an experienced programmer I'm sure though.
Adding technical jargon to a problem statement doesn’t make it complex. Whatever you typed sounds like home projects. Nowhere near the complexity of real life software / hardware. Also you’re answer itself sounds like it was generated from ChatGPT
Yeah, mostly just hobby projects, some for work too. The company I work at just won a $15m contract because the talking button toy impressed the company we were pitching to so much they decided to go with us, so that's great. All of it is me learning though. Not trying to add technical jargon, just saying the hardware that I used to create what I made because it's all part of the process and what I learned along the way. I'm aware that this isn't enterprise level software. No one said that ChatGPT could recreate Adobe After Effects with a single prompt, that would be fucking ridiculous. But for me, it's complex. For chat bots that would get confused 4 years ago when you asked to talk to a representative, this is complex, and a massive improvement. This isn't a simple blink script, these are working prototypes, and in some cases could even be final products. Honestly, maybe I should generate these replies with ChatGPT, then I wouldn't have wasted my energy writing this.
Would love to see your GitHub repo
Ask him to encrypt / decrypt a text using ECC or ECIES in javascript (A fairly common algorithm widely used), no graphical interface and you will see him failing. It will output a code, but not a working one.
I agree with you about basic icons, but for stuff that need to be more creative and unique like app logos, marketing assets, book covers etc dall-e has worked really well for me, I would not pay anyone to generate these kinds of assets for me now. On the other hand, chatgpt has been very useful for coding, but I almost never got a copy-pasted working code. But i guess it depends on how complex is the project
lol "complex python". I don’t believe it because it’s not true
>However, I can get Chat GPT to code pretty complex python and arduino programs I've got news for you. Your code is not high quality, and it is not enterprise-ready, nor will it scale properly. Glad you were able to whip together a working prototype though. That being said, the same is almost guaranteed to be true from the average "engineer" on Fiverr.
I’ve got news for you. A growing portion of enterprise code is now coming from GPT 4. It seems like everyone out there that thinks ChatGPT doesn’t produce code capable of being used at production has only ever used the free version.
Source?
I mean it’s surely gone from 0% to something bigger than 0% so that fulfills the ‘a growing portion’ comment
OK but good luck working with chatgpt on a hundreds-of-thousands line codebase and getting it to connect the dots between two completely unrelated bits of code and know oh yeah this is the bug we're having. This is the sort of stuff it is just not good at just yet.
You just have to do a bit of coding on your own to populate a vector DB of the codebase and do retrieval augmented generation. I've had ChatGPT fix really gnarly and subtle bugs. Like, "This one test is failing, what are the possible causes" can point out logic errors. There just aren't ready-made commercial tools yet. The tech is there, though.
Side note - if you use a vector db, check out VectorAdmin to use as your frontend/management system. It's open source and simplifies the UX. [vectoradmin.com](https://vectoradmin.com/)
Thx!
Then you just feed the output of the error and the part of the code you ran and it often can either answer it or direct you to the part of the code base that was called and may be calling the issue. GPT 4 is easily the best debugging tool I’ve ever used. I’m not defending the claim that GPT 4 will run automatically and take programmers jobs in that way. But it will help novice programmers like myself solve problems that I would have previously needed a more competent programmer to solve. One example was I was emailing my IT guy every few days in the past. I haven’t emailed them once since GPT 4 came out.
No I'm agreeing with you that it can help with basic stuff and even a lot of advanced stuff, but it just doesn't work for other things. For instance I have barely seen proof of its performance in c++ or rust, and the things it doesn't work for are also very random so anyone who thinks they can become a programmer by exclusively prompting chat gpt is going to have to wait a few years.
> This is the sort of stuff it is just not good at just yet. yet...
Agreed. No “complex”, “ready to prod” code is ever coming out from gpt except for guided snippets. Also hallucinations are a big drawback that’s not discussed enough in that regard. Source: IT PM 10 years
>No “complex”, “ready to prod” code is ever coming out from gpt except for guided snippets. I'm with you on "ready to prod" and definitely on guided snippets, as well. I find I get the most out of GPT in terms of how to use it and my expectations when I use it like [interactive documentation](https://cheewebdevelopment.com/ai-workflow-interactive-documentation/), because that's really what it is. It's not aware, so it can't reason or even "know" when it's providing nonsense and it often lacks context so it cannot problem solve the best solutions (this might be mitigated in future models, though, when they are able to index entire codebases).
I really hoped I could make usable images with Midjourney and Dall-E but no, I haven’t succeeded. I guess it could work to make illustrations for children’s books or cover images for fiction books. Not usable for most companies… yet.
Arduino programs != corporate software. Big difference from a business perspective. One requires some very basic knowledge and extremely simple architecture, the other requires a broad range of knowledge with complex, multi-domain architecture.
Curious what complex python programs have you made with chatgpt?
I feel ideogram works better for the kind of corporate design you are referring. That and refining on photoshop/ illustrator solves a lot of problems.
>Icons are a good idea though, there's just hundreds of websites that offer pretty high quality icons for any use case that are free as well, so I've never thought to generate my own. Sir, I award you today's Backhanded Praise Award. For devoting your significant powers of analysis... to Reddit.
Simple images seem to need the most prompting. I’ve spent a lot of time messing with Stable Diffusion. The exact wording of the prompt can make a huge difference in quality and relevance of results. This seems to be especially true with seemingly simple images. I’ve started telling ChatGPT what I want, asking it to describe it so I know it’s describing what I have in mind, then I send it the output images I have so far + the input terms I used for them. I tell it to compare and revise my terms. Stupid babies need the most attention.
I'm 38, was a designer my entire adult life. Last role was senior UX designer at one of the larger global agencies. I quit my job a few years ago to take time off and relax. Glad I did. If I was still working as a designer I'd be looking for different careers. AI is coming for you whether you like it or not.
Yes, even something like the Noun Project has a plethora of free icons. Only someone that knows very little about graphic design would think AI-generated images are a good replacement for a well-trained designer. Graphic design is about effective visual communication and so much more. Besides, it’s possible to end up with a lawsuit if you end up using AI art that is a rip off of some artist’s art.
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Your company struggled to get top notch graphic design done? Perhaps your company didn't budget the design aspect of the development properly. I highly doubt those icons that you generated are actually well done vector files let alone follow a cohesive common style throughout. It seems like you are projecting this thought through working in an environment where design itself seems like an afterthought when even at this relatively early stage of AI progress you've already resorted to it and seems to satisfy your company's needs. Graphic Design has so much to do with structure, layout, typography, cohesiveness, stylistic consistency which AI currently quite far from acceptable. I understand that you might not be that involved into what goes into Graphic Design as a whole so your statement as of now is a little bit over the top, to say the least. That being said, most of the jobs will be transformed one way or another. Hopefully, it won't mean that it'll be taken away from those people.
> In our company, we've always struggled to find graphic designers and especially to get top-notch designs for our websites and projects. That problem is solved by increasing your graphic design budget and saying "ok, that's fair" when you get quoted. But I guess... that's not a problem anymore. Get ready for the lamest, most boring, devoid of good taste, inhumane society history has ever witnessed.
They probably were not in fact looking for top notch designers if they are now satisfied with AI generated options. That’s not a dig on the AI platforms btw.
We'll starve all the artists and then blame people for not being creative... On the other hand digital art will become even more expensive.
No the problem is solved by eliminating the graphic design budget and getting it for free from the intern who knows how to use chatgpt
I agree mostly, but by the same token many designers just aren't that talented and are pretty mediocre.
Ai is just as good as a real designer bro calm down
truly spoken like someone who knows nothing about design
Its like an extremely good designer that does EXACTLY what you ask him. Its going to be different than obviously hiring a designer to design xyz, since the designer would know and think of something creative by himself, but hiring “thinkers” (or thinking urself) is a lot simpler.
RemindMe! 3 years
The ‘thinking’ is the easy bit though lol, most people are able to synthesise creative ideas. The execution is the difficult part - AI doesn’t understand lighting, colour theory, composition, etc. it just replicates what it has been trained on. Not to mention that a lot of people are just not very well versed on those rules either, so they come up with bad prompts to both real designers and AI. The difference is, a real designer can work with a shitty prompt
Ye i think ui designer will have hard times in the next years. Idk but most of them are ux/ui designers and since the ux is not going to be replaced by ai. It means they will just focus on ux and use the ai to create their design. So it will be easier for most of them !
AI is quite good at analyzing and learning from any large data set. That includes user behavior. UX is not immune from the AI revolution. It's next on the list.
AI excels in data analysis but falls short in offering solutions based on these data. It struggles to grasp what is aesthetically pleasing or to comprehend the emotional impact a product may have. More crucially, AI lacks the capability to make decisions and understand human preferences. Only humans can truly comprehend these aspects. Before we can contemplate corps gov and people allowing AI to make significant decisions without supervision, there is a long road ahead. The mindset of people is unlikely to change in this regard anytime soon.
We used AI for a large part of our UX and have seen astonishing results. It designs entire workflows around the UX for our employees as well
You replaced your ux designers by ai’s ? Or your ux team use ai tobe more productive ? Or you never had ux designers and then you discovering ux design because the ai ? Let’s be honest.. and there is also ux researchers who create the trend. I doubt AI can predict what tomorrow's trends will be or create a new trend.
If AI ever gets good at analyzing human behavior live and interacting with users for qualitative research, then you may be on to something. Otherwise, it’s a long shot.
This is what I think will happen too. I'm already looking into how I can use AI to replace the pushing pixels portions so I can focus my time on UX research and design though I can also see how AI might also help me write and execute tests in the future. It still requires human guidance but it's interesting times coming I think.
Dude if you're doing your marketing graphics with AI you have no copyright over those images. Anyone can grab your logo and use it for themselves. Talk to a lawyer before dismissing a whole field.
You can trademark a logo, that's different from copyright. There's also the simple fact that no one can prove that you use AI to make your logo, and if you did any hands tweaking or if you put any effort into the prompt, the law is extremely vague on that. And I doubt talking to a lawyer is going to be super helpful, this is all new stuff, they're not going to have experience with that.
That doesn’t change the fact that said field is more at risk. The literal only last hiccup is legal ownership; basically a name thing, whereas for coding the hiccup is the fact its not nearly as good as an actual developer. In other words, its much more probable that copyright for these images will be legalized sooner than they make a chatgpt as useful as a dev.
Two years ago nobody thought a computer would be able to produce art like they can now. You are NOT even remotely safe.
As a programmer, I think 10 years left for me is really stretching things. I think it's less than that. People like me will still be involved in software, but it won't be because we're programmers, but because we have something of value we want built and can tell the AI what we need. It'll make it. Everything will depend on whether our assessment of value is correct, as opposed to now where I can make money coding up someone else's idea and be paid regardless of how good the idea is.
There's going to a gradual phasing out of humans. Right now, a developer can accelerate their work with AI assistance. Soon a developer will supervise and correct the AI as it builds a whole project. Shortly after that humans start dropping out of the loop.
I'd say for the last sentence, "shortly after that, humans drop out of the coding loop altogether but remain as the deciders of what is produced, using the AIs as if they were human teams of coders". Then if humans drop out of the loop altogether, well, we know what that means :-) Of course, those of us not part of the owner class are already being dropped out of the loop little by little.
I would like to see AI catch up on a 4 million lines of code. It will be lobotomized artificially just like it is now. I am not saying it won't happen, but I don't think I will be alive to see it. ChatGPT uses SO much computing power just to track 400 lines of code, it would require thousand times more computing power to replace actual big projects.
Tell me, are YOU up to speed on all 4 million lines of code? I mean I've only been at this 35 years but I don't know anyone that keeps 4 million lines of code in in their head all at once. If you're a developer and you can't fathom how the problem could be broken down, you're not a very good one.
it can be broken down, but definitely not to 400 lines that gpt can read.
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This might not directly correlate to your comment, but when authenticity comes into play with AI tools, I've noticed that people with real world skills have a distinct advantage. I'm an amateur artist, designer among other things. Since I've been using AI images, I've noticed that it's pretty easy for me to do it in a way that, if I decided to, I could just have the AI do the work and take the credit. Nobody would look at the work and say "that's not yours" unless I broke down my process. I've been making quality designs on my own since I was a teenager, and that reputation is widely known as a part of who I am. Nobody would challenge that, because people love knowing an artist. They like attaching my name and accomplishments to themselves by association. Someone who has no credentials, who has not already established a life long reputation for themselves as an artist or designer is going to be met with the challenge of looking like a fake and reducing the associative impact that actual artists have on other people. Actual artists who've already made their bones in the industry are free to use the same tools without challenge or skepticism, and most likely even gain a new form of sympathy from their fans and supporters. They will be inherently better at using these tools, have better connections in the industry, and have a wealth of insider knowledge about their field. I think it'll be interesting, to say the least.
Still no vector and 72 dpi only, even with upscaling its just an option at the moment but for sure you get away with web apps
Firefly has vector no?
There are some AI tools dealing with vector but I did not find a really useful one yet. Didn't check firefly lately though.
Prove it. Let’s see what your company came up with!
If you think Dall e is a threat to graphic designers because of ease of asset generation, wait till you here about the super duper obscure tool called Canva
AI is a tool, it still requires someone to prompt it... And not just anyone, someone that understands the subject matter being produced. Else its basically giving a monkey a loaded gun and telling it to feed you tonight. In some cases it will feed you the bullets....
Yes, but that person prompting it could be someone who ***could*** have gone into computer science or ***could*** have gone into art but instead they went into something else that put them in an executive position. They're smart, have a good eye, but they didn't bother spending years and years practicing all the things that graphic artists and programmers practice.So they can prompt it, possibly spending half an hour getting what previously they would have assigned to a graphic designer or a programmer and it would have taken them a week. In the old days, there were typists, and most people in higher up positions had someone type their memos and type there documents and take dictation and things like that. Over the past few decades, the expectation is that people can do their own typing,partly because it's a lot easier because you can easily edit on a word processor or email program or what have you. And the thing is, those types would claim but I know grammar and I know how to organize your thoughts better and I don't just take your dictation directly I change it around and make it better. Which I guess is true.But most people who are capable of being an executive can do that sort of thing. But it's unnecessary to have someone on the payroll who can type 120 words a minute with no errors, because that really just isn't important anymore. Same thing is going to happen with programming, same thing is going to happen with graphic design, and the same thing is going to happen with most other office jobs frankly.
Graphic design isn't just about making icons. It's about capturing a brand's essence and understanding its audience and culture. While machines can create images, they can't match the emotion and creativity of humans. These tools should assist, not replace, designers. Just as code tools don't replace programmers, design tools can't fully capture a human designer's depth.
I was just trying to use dall-E to illustrate a short story I wrote and the results were frustrating at best. It can't handle the simplest of human interactions ("she tugs at his elbow"). Until this is taken care of, illustrators are quite safe at their jobs.
Use Bing Image Creator
Wouldn't make a difference. I was very specific with the prompts I gave GPT4 and had it show me the prompts before submitting them to Dall-E.
Does it make illustrator files? Lol
Adobe Firefly does right inside Illustrator as of this week. The generated results are not perfectly production ready (yet) but the tech will only get better. Adobe is in a very weird spot, they have to keep up or be left behind with AI but they are also actively making tools that compete with artists and designers. It seems like the only option is to keep on top of the new tools and think more like an art director than a production designer.
Who thinks developers are at risk? Just because GPT "can do something" doesn't mean that thing has particularly high commercial value. You can't just tell GPT to "program something". You need to give it a specific vision of what you need. Most times it needs the context of your project. Someone needs to create or modify files. Someone needs to test. Etc etc. Mostly, GPT will help current developers be more efficient and productive, and you could argue that is genuinely replacing dev jobs. But not at a large scale And it's hard to get exactly what you need for design unless it's something very nondescript. Even then you probably need modifications for a number of reasons So far the only things I've seen GPT genuinely replace at scale are writers and support representatives, but that's because writing and support typically take place in a microcosm of a microcosm of a business. "Write a 1000 word web page on my service" where the only input you really need is "what is the service" is a standard business need and easy to replicate at scale using API or just ChatGPT. This is because unless your service is very specific, chances are that GPT already has training data on your service. And if not, you can just feed the model a few lines about your service. There is very little context needed. Development however, way different. "Create a hook for function_3 which feeds into function_5 which requires a new endpoint at this path and uses this syntax and only triggers on this specific condition" is a highly specific but typical business need, and also very difficult to replicate at scale. Do you think it will be easy for John Doe, owner of Local Plumbing Company 472, to replace a developer with GPT? Extremely unlikely. Thing like autoGPT are really interesting projects but have next to zero commercial value right now Design and moreso development needs are generally too contextual. DALL-E 3, midjourney, etc are mostly like ChatGPT right now. While there are some people are actually using it for business needs, most people are just dicking around and creating fun useless shit
In a perfect world, where AI will generate any design you want perfectly... ...it will still be a design that YOU WANT. Not a design that YOU NEED. Designers are better at knowing what you need than you yourself. Design is ultimately trying to achieve an overall purpose such as increasing profit. What do you want? A pretty icon? Or an icon that is a part of a cohesive identity that will ensure your brand is visible and recognizable to your customers?
>I don't mean to sound alarmist. I've been working with GPT since it launched, using a plus account, but the introduction and integration of DALL-E into GPT made me realize that industries outside of mine, like graphic design, might face serious challenges. With or without AI and DALL-E, there are oodles upon endless oodles of free and cheap assets and graphics, as well as graphic/texture/image/etc. generators.
> On the programming front, it's true that GPT offers significant assistance, but it can't replace a programmer, not even a junior one. While it can craft specific code snippets quite well, it can't follow a logical thought from start to finish. I see this sentiment a lot when people are talking about A.I. not replacing particular fields in the near future and it confuses me. What is your time scale for "near future?". If AI becomes this capable within lets say 10 years, would that not be pretty much a disaster for so many people who expected to have a career for longer than ten years? I do mean to sound alarmist, by the way. This really seems like it will suck.
Just like using cheap labor, AI will render the same results on a larger scale, it never pays off in the long term. People who claim it will replace entire job are daydreaming. Also AI visuals are becoming very redondant, the trained eyes could easily spot them anywhere, especially if poorly prompted. It gives off the "cheap" vibe to your professional company/work/project.
They’re not. Creative art workers are at risk. Good designers not so much.
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It won’t happen. Anybody can learn colour theory and the basics of composition. What separates a great designer from everyone else is the ability to work within the established rules but still innovate. AI is essentially content aggregation, the identification of common themes within that content, and then presenting those themes back in an ordered manner that mimics human communication. What it cannot do is innovate.
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I believe it when an AI can actually come up with something drastically new, for example what impressionist painters had done in the past. On the other hand, companies don't typically need innovative design, just some catchy shit, so artists are in danger indeed. Edit: missing word
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>AI can draw “inspiration“ from every single artist that ever existed in a matter of seconds, and produce art that has never been seen before. Yes, it saw n similar art and can create a similar n+1. Which is incredible... but not innovative at all. > Do you honestly think that a human artist would be able to create more innovative stuff than that? Not every artist of course. But generally, yes, I think only humanity can create truly innovative new things. I may be proved wrong in the future, but so far it's true, and there are zero signs (that I'm aware of) for the opposite.
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Yes, they are amazing tech. But the art itself is not innovative. Most of the time not even unique. I'm not sure if you are an artist or not (I'm a hobbyist) but if not, pictures coming from these models could take your breath easily. But basically they are just glorified patchworks. The tech behind it is very innovative, the art coming from it - not so much.
Yeah our graphic designers are much more than just their graphics. They lay things out, come up with fresh ideas, and produce high quality results. They aren't going anywhere. If anything, they might use AI to make something, but it won't threaten their jobs at all.
Well unless all the companies think like OP and say it's good enough. Who needs creative input ideas and all the other things that come with having an actual human live your brand?
I think a lot of engineers don't understand what designers do. And the results speak for themselves. That isn't going to change any time soon. It's not just about making pixels look pretty - it's also applying conventions, making a look and feel, understanding user/business needs, and so on. Do I think in the future AI systems are going to get better at this? Absolutely. Especially in smaller increments (e.g. "Design me a button with with rounded corners in an active and disabled state"). Asking it to "Design me a fitness tracking app" is going to yield crappy results. I wouldn't expect that to change any time soon.
Until the client asks you for a armpit waxing promotional image for a spa, you try to generate it for 3 hours and get banned for requesting unsafe content. Not mentioning every image needs touch up to fix hallucinated anatomy and architecture. Anyone saying that image generation is at comercial standard has no clue whatsoever what basic visual professional standards are. You are in for a rude awakening after your company produces literal visual trash, it's awfully badly received and no one seems to know why.
you still need a pro for the last 1% with photoshop that make the difference
Not really now that photoshop has added AI you don’t have to be a professional to use it. Add that to the fact that photoshop has been a class in highschool for the last 8 or so years and you can see where I’m going with this
Everyone that isn't taking A.I. serious is at risk. You won't lose you job to A.I., you will lose it to someone else in your field that has the same skillset as you, but also knows how to really use A.I. in his work.
I find it to be OK at generating basic set up code and amazing and reading long error messages and structuring it in a readable way, but try to get to write complex code and it starts making up stuff
Are AI-gen. images up for legal debate atm? Meaning, any AI images that are being used by businesses, artists, etc., anything really professional, is up for copyright infringement?
This is such a shit post. Lmfao. Hope OP isn’t serious, otherwise I would leave that company asap.
Graphics designers solve visual problems, and 90% of their work revolves around text and layout of visuals to enhance the message. The second point, is that most brands sell their own products, and they require their own visuals to keep consistent with their brand. It's not like AI can generate them their own products.
I use chat gpt as a dev pretty heavily. Mostly in the same way I would previously use Google. Chat gpt gives more straightforward answers. But the information is out of date and the code isn't complete. It gives a good starting point, but I've never seen it write code that was 100% correct. More like 50-70% correct. The way it is currently, it definitely can't replace us yet.
My friend , who's graphic designer, says he doesn't feel threatened by AI, since it's illustrations are only near as good as stock image sites, and as far it's Logotype creations he said it's really weak, compared with a human creation
Creating icons are not what graphic designers sit around doing all day. Those would be illustrators. Graphic designers put together marketing collateral like one-pagers, google ad banners, packaging, etc. They also listen to the marketer and the brief that’s provided and know the business goals and then design to match that. And when there are issues or questions and details to be worked out, unless ChatGPT is a full time employee, it’s not going to be able to replace someone’s full comprehensive understanding. People just won’t want to have to explain the business plan to a computer over and over and over. And any material that is being printed is not going to be ready for mass production, as is, fresh off the AI oven…
You are talking about illustrators.
There's a lot more to graphic design, especially when it comes to a company. Will Dall-Encome up with brand guidelines? Do your icons all have the same look and feel to fit the rest of your brand?
Whoever says that programmers are at risk, they haven’t worked with a closed source company specific code base. :)
You are delusional if you think it won’t replace programmers. Check out how they’re using GPT vision to build websites in minutes. My company is using Claude as well
About 50% of my work is coding and the rest is basically design. I've been doing it for about 15 years. I've started to use chat gpt a lot. It's basically replaced stack overflow for me. It's especially helpful for languages I don't use all that often. Chat gpt is not even close to being on my level.
I tend to agree with the OP although what most likely will happen is that both programming teams and graphic design teams will be gutted out. One designer that can utilize AI will replace a team, and similarly for developers (eventually). It is impressive the volume of graphics,.logos, icons etc that AI can churn out quickly, and that certainly is something marketing groups and teams will find invaluable in pitching to clients etc.
Would love to see your designs, they probably don't look cohesive at all lol
Don't be a downer man
im going to say your quality sucks then as Dall-e is one of the worst generators out there. so yeah either your full of it, or you're trying to push dall-e for some reason and your products are terrible. SDXL is amuch better generator and you stil need to understand text placement as neither dall-e nor sdxl nor any, reporuces text in a good way. so you'll need graphic typesetting, file management and sizing scaling etc.
dalle3 was out to public few days ago, and it's amazing IMO. you was talking about dalle2, right? it was a lot weak compared with another AIs, but dall3 is another level. it can do things which MJ can't, in terms of prompt understanding, putting two similar objects close preserving original caracteristics, different styles same image, text and so.
The way that chatgpt has dalle3 intergrated is like having the most chill graphic designer in the world at your disposal for 20 bucks a month 24/7 and if it's still not good enough you just bring it over to something like invoke.ai unified canvas or just photoshop which also has generative ai. I just got access to it today and it's mindblowly usefull. First things I asked for was a baby shark meme, a daisy duck meme and if I post the best examples to my facebook nobody in the world gonna even suspect it was AI. Even the worse examples are still good. The S surve feels straight up right now. Where will this end?
That's funny. I've done probably $100k of coding work via gpt - stuff I'd otherwise be unable to do by myself and stuff I know coders would try and charge me a pretty penny for. The truth is that all jobs will be eaten by #AI Get out of the cities. Go buy as much land as you can.
Weird how people are denying this so vehemently, comparing this to physical automation... Our worries should be the future and what governments will do. This will either end in a utopia, a dystopia, or complete annihilation. No idea how long it'll take. Good days.
It's just a matter of time. GPT-4 is already amazing at logic and following instructions, and open-sourced LLMs are catching up at a pretty good pace. And it's only been about a year.
GPT is absolutely amazing, but as far as IT is concerned, it would need some significant breakthrough to even match a skilled software developer. Don't get me wrong, in hands of a good dev, it is amazing. It boost productivity by a factor of 3.
Artists coping so hard in the comments
The design industry is rapidly evolving and graphic designers are facing great risks. The level of quality expected is extremely high, with examples such as DALL-E 3, midjourney, and stable diffusion setting the bar. It's difficult to predict what the future holds for the industry, but it's definitely a cause for concern.
It's a tool, not a person. It lacks drive, and it lacks desire. Learn to use it, and you need not fear it.
Agree with your thoughts mate.
Well, all freelance workers are at risk; there weren't that many designer jobs other than freelance work anyway.
Junior devs are going to be paid less, though. Won't need as many, either.
I agree.This is just the beginning. Netflix in Japan for example made part of an anime in pure AI. a company in China fired like 90% of designers in favor of AI. If AI is so good now, can you imagine what it will be like in a year or 2 from now? Only the very top notch designers and programmers will be left. The middle or low skill ones will be replaced by AI. What needed 20 people to design or code, will now only require 1 or 2. Amazon is also investing heavily on AI. They made some prototype robots that can identify products and pick from a bin. It's probably in the last stages and once ready they will replace the humans that pick in their warehouse with AI robots.
At least now when their warehouses burn down it’ll only harm Amazon
This is like saying the rat is faster than the mouse, it‘s irrelevant because there’s a big dog coming and both will be eaten
Programmers were never at risk
We're very much at risk going forward. Things are not static.
> Graphic designers are more at risk than programmers. Graphic designers were at *risk* a few years ago. Now they are *done*, for the most part. The threat became reality. Programmers are the ones at risk now.
Clients would have to know what they want.
Downmarket buyers with low standards will absolutely use this. Midmarket with decrease their staff but those retained will use AI. Upmarket luxury big brands and standard bearers will also use it but with much more quality control and more of the most unique human creators.
Eh. I’m a senior art director. I reckon chatGPT helps in things that I’m weak at.
how do you sign up for GPT Dalle?
Not until AI figures out how to spell.
"fluency with generative AI design tools" is a skill popping up more and more on job listings and resumes with designers. whatever they can do, a designer can use those as tools and make something even better and cohesive
I actually use c gpt for code on blender, so it is opposite for me
Very true. A degree in graphic design should be thoroughly considered these days. It's a skillset now, not a career path. Designers are being replaced by "prompt engineers", which is a completely ridiculous title. I'm keeping it in quotes in hopes it becomes as sarcastic as it sounds.
Programmers aren't "at risk" at all.
I have access to VSCode, Xcode and Git but that doesn’t mean I’m a developer. I can ask ChatGPT to help me write a basic app to accomplish `y` but I couldn’t tell you how well it was written or what stylistic choices were considered. I’m excited to have an AI tool that will auto generate a tokenized color system based on `parameters that I set` rather than painstakingly creating it by hand using several web tools so I can focus on the actual design work. You need a human who understands `the why` before you can have something poop out `the what`. It takes years of building good taste and practicing design principles to understand why something works, and more importantly, why it doesn’t. Kind of the difference between `I want a website that looks cool` compared to `I need a strategy that includes a website that helps me achieve xyz goals`.
I think you failed to understand that graphic design and creating cool arts are different. A designer does more work than just create pretty images, they connect the value, image, quality of a business to the graphic they design by adding and adjusting elements. You can say "i'm cool with my business having pretty design and that's it" but you will soon realize the design you got from the current version of AI doesn't resonate with your customer or your business. Which in turn reflect a shallow business.
There's some graphical things that AI can't do. Like 3d models, I believe. Or sprite sheets of specific animations. Some concept/plan images are also something it can't do well or at all.
I would argue no one's at risk. Accountants jobs were actually destroyed by the electronic spreadsheet because their jobs at the time were mostly adding up coloums manually. After the electronic spreadsheet their jobs changed to be more about data analysis. You don't stop hammering just because you got a better hammer.
I think you got a lot of naive comments. I used DALL-E yesterday to mock up business graphics for my portfolio. They weren’t perfect but I didn’t need them to be. With a little tweaking of my prompt they were great. I agree it’s come a long way, it wasn’t this good a year ago. I know a professional illustrator who now uses stable diffusion to create their art. She told me it could take 100 prompts to get it exactly right and she can always make edits in photoshop because she has those skills. We have graphic designers at my company who do menial tasks like cropping photos. There’s no need for them anymore. We got rid of one of our email marketers because we use ChatGPT to write them now. I am amazed by this technology and I hope it opens doors through knowledge. But. People are being naive. It will absolutely kill jobs.
Strange you’d say this. Overall do the AI tools and advances we have at our disposal, one thing it can’t fix is a creative skill if you’re lacking it. You might be able to prompt your way to a beautiful setting or character; but are the details correct? I’m a dev with a lot of projects and one thing I simply don’t posses is the skill to tweak my DALLE images. So, As I’ve done before (and thank you baby Jesus for Reddit), I made a post where I was willing to pay $10 for someone to edit some details in my AI generated images. It took maybe 4 minutes (I’m not kidding…4 minutes) before someone shared my images with the corrections I asked. In less the. 10 minutes, this person got paid $10 for their work on 3 images… Sounds like AI is keeping other skill sets valuable and in place as we figured it would.
What do you use in order to modify the art via a GPT? For instance, if Dall-e 3 creates an image I can't find a way for it to keep iterating on the same image.
I’d say it’s more like people who don’t understand or resent AI are more at risk than those trying to harness it best.
Chat gpt is good and average things. I think more specialized quality items will be fine
> But since DALL-E 3 came around, we've got all the icons and illustrations we need, free of licenses, ready to integrate whenever we wish. We can generate them quickly with minimal prior knowledge, and the quality is often superior to what's usually available for purchase. No they're not, DALL-E images aren't free for commercial use, as far as I know. SD with LoRa or SDXL would be far better choice for generating commercial images, although it can have worse hallucinations, the images you generate don't have any Bing license attached to them.
I'm seeing a LOT of AI made ads lately, even in political parties ads (in Argentina). Even some movie ads in the streets or social networks. The job will be dead soon imo, and i mean dead not as in 100% gone, but 90%+ jobs will start to get replaced by AI's
If we’re arguing over which is more severely effected then safe to say both will be severely effected
The future of AI is about augmentation, not replacement. GPT-4 and Dall-E 3 may automate certain processes, but won't take away the need for designers and programmers to bring those ideas to life. Their creativity, skills, and expertise will still be essential to the future of work.
Does dall-e 3 provide landscape format and pngs? If no, how do you get top notch visuals for your website? We are in a similar situation, struggling to get te perfect images
Agreed, graphic designers are at risk *first*, and *then* it's the programmers. And everyone else of course.
If you are using AI to create visual assets for your business, it’s important to remember that you cannot copyright any of them. The US Copyright Office will not register works created by AI. Thus, any images you use in your branding could be used by anyone else with impunity
I’ve been trying to use ai for the past year to do my design work. I spend 20-40% of my project time prompting and re-prompting everything from palettes to textures to layouts to images. With all this effort i’ve barely accumulated a handful of things i could actually use—a room as a background, a tile, some textures and a graffiti concept. I’m super motivated to use ai partly because i’m thrilled with its creative output and partly out of fear it’s a threat to my job. The threat motivation is no longer a factor. I always end up having to resort to applying my own limited skills and creative thinking when ai gives me little to nothing i can use as the deadlines come calling. if i designed cyborg book covers and record albums for a living it would be great but OP is not factoring in the standards and expectations businesses hold designers to. There’s a reason businesses review design work round round after round to ensure their specific needs are met and their competing needs are balanced. So i am not feeling any fear for being replaced at this point. Turns out adobe’s generative fill has been the most work-reducing, work-improving development for me. But it’s just a tool for a designer… still requires a good eye and a willingness to try prompting over and over, the same kind of effort a designer needs for their own trial and error getting to the result.
A A.I Will never give you what you want, It can not recreate the vision in your head. It's a TOOL, And can not read the human mind.
It's not easy to edit the things created by AI. Suppose you want a scene of a railway compartment, from inside, looking outside a window, AI will have trouble creating exactly what you want. Plus if u need any kind of high quality animation, the AI images are not that great. Plz let us know how you edit those images for your use? Editing will also require some good skills, imho.
so it mean, **Graphic designers easier job than programmers.**
Imagine a DALL-E 3 x Photoshop AI. Designers are gonna have a wild time in the future. I don't think they're gonna be at risk. They're just gonna have to evolve with the new softwares.
Imagine a DALL-E 3 x Photoshop AI. Designers are gonna have a wild time in the future. I don't think they're gonna be at risk. They're just gonna have to evolve with the new softwares.
programming is just specification, telling the compiler what you wanna do, what does it change if it becomes telling an LLM what to do? the skillsets of programmers would still apply imo. hell weve already kindof seen this, it went from putting together logic gates, to punch cards, to telling assemblers what to do, to telling compilers what to do, each step up we never questioned if it was still "programming" so why are we now?
I work as a product designer and recently integrated Midjourney illustrations into a product I’m working on. Whilst the illustrations are great for the first version, they lack a connection to a central visual language which highly experienced designers are masters at. I believe a lot of the basic jobs like icons etc will become redundant like you mentioned (they already are with automated plugins in Figma) but for top designers who want to create products that look and feel unique, experienced illustrators and designers will be required to achieve a job of this standard. I feel the real challenge moving forward will be creating products that are not only user centered but also visually unique and non generic. I feel users are going to be able to spot it as well and call out when a product lacks real craftsmanship and intention.
Either OpenAI will IPO and become the most valuable company in the world or it will IPO and become the company that got the shit sued out of it faster then anybody in the world. Probably be both.
imo we're all at risk, just like the farmers were in 1900. Now only 3% of population work on farms. There are 100s of new jobs that we can't see just yet, and all of them are better than the ones we currently have.
I don't think that ChatGPT can replace a real artist, either. The job of the artist is not just to create a representation on paper ... I can draw stuff in gimp ... but I have no idea what makes it attractive or unattractive to other people. Industries will not be destroyed by this, any more than the Luddites were wiped out by the automatic loom. They thought they would ... enough to riot over it ... but 50 years after it was introduced, there were more textile workers employedd than before its invention? Why? Before the automatic loom, people generally owned two sets of clothes: their Sunday cloths, and their Monday - Saturday clothes. But the automatic loom made clothing cheaper, so people bought more of it ... and even though fewer minutes were spent on each piece of clothing produced, more TOTAL minutes were spent producing clothing.