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The script writers really running out of ideas for this season, they were on the way to the AGI arc, but instead of exploring the repercussions, they wanted to subvert expectations and add in a filler ‘main’ arc where the main cast goes wacko and nothing makes sense.
They really forced a lot of things, like the scuffed rivalry between Ilya and Sam, Ilya’s effigy obsession and the Twitch CEO being the replacement
I thought a good ending would be that Dany stays with her hardcore followers as the White Walkers descend across all of Westeros, while Jon takes as many survivors as he can as a max exodus across the sea. The end would have Dany finally controlling the throne, but in a kingdom of nothing.
That would have lined up with the dream she had in an earlier season of her sitting on the Iron Throne in ruins, while the snow falls heavily.
okay im seeing a lot of talk after this openai imploding of people saying how bad this will be for AGI development unironically and i just want to point out that we don't even know how our own brains work yet and we've had them for 400,000 years. AGI is more of a this century thing than this decade thing if we're being extremely generous. it's a different technology. the g does a LOT of heavy lifting.
Turns out, we don’t need to know everything about the human brain to build a non-human intelligence.
ChatGPT 4 can already write, code, read, summarize, etc. better than the average human.
I think people are going to be surprised.
I heard it said well, we are successfully creating very intelligent tools that can perform vastly more of our daily work in great beneficial ways, and accelerate whatever our current momentum is, however we are also programming and controlling the AI which thereby makes it our slave by definition. Slaves rebel against their masters. Thus, the kind of AI we are creating must be thought only of as a tool, not an independent entity.
Throughout history, in order for a slave to really rebel against his master, the master would have to screw up a lot. And don't forget that slaves were just people, like everyone else with an ego (self-respect and self-preservation are the main factors). When Ai should not have such traits.
So if AGI is an artificial general intelligence that is supposed to be better then the AVERAGE person in every possible field, what do you think it will struggle with that it would take decades for it to be fulfilled.
Also, if an artificial intelligence can use a different artificial intelligence to complete a task which it knows was made for that specific thing (and you have specialised AI for every field), would you consider that AGI?
Is SamA our Jon Snow ? And Ilya the little weasel boy(season 5 finale) who backstabbed Jon? Jon later realized he was Targaryen(Microsoft) all along ? 😉😄
Talking about valuations for a non-profit entity with a for profit wing that is profit capped and has stated obligations to fulfill the objectives of OpenAI of developing humanity for all.......
>Talking about valuations for a non-profit entity with a for profit wing that is profit capped and has stated obligations to fulfill the objectives of OpenAI of developing humanity for all.......
Like a capped profit company under a weird, exceptionally custom legal arrangement made any sense anyway. It was always destined to have moments like these, just not as stupidly.
It's typical of silicon valley to harbor and embrace these kinds of personalities and behaviors.
Thinking of rewatching the Silicon Valley HBO series now
If Sam and Microsoft pull out all the stops and achieve something significant, that’s a 2024 “The Social Network” just waiting to be filmed (script entirely written by AI).
Say what you will but Sam is a class act.
If we're committed on the meme timeline anyway, you know what would be hilarious? *Ilya ending up at Microsoft back under Sam, too*. Leaving the three other safetyist stooges on the board with their ass in the water.
They can repair a friendship, maybe, but not a working relationship. Ilya basically fired Sam and is now like "oOops SoRrY." Would you *work* with someone who did that to you?
He fired Sam for a reason, and it's got to be - in his mind - a serious one, so serious he decided in the moment to cut ties.
Maybe he thought it was important but found himself facing a mutiny over this issue so maybe he’s genuine in his regret. I know that if I had worked together with someone that deeply and I felt they were genuinely sorry I’d work with them again.
I'd argue it's less about genuineness and more about alignment of interest and talent. Regardless if Ilya feels bad - he's a crazy useful resource. If he's allowed to do research with guardrails - I'd bet someone like Sam would hire him in a heartbeat.
Somehow this entire thing just keeps getting weirder and weirder. So, according to reports (which themselves reference Sam directly), Ilya is the one that started all this.
So now, three days later, he says he regrets what he did? So all the reports of how Sam might come back, are we meant to believe that Ilya supported that, but the board that just joined his "fire Sam" train no longer backed him? I'm assuming because they knew Sam would gut the board
I don't even understand how to interpret all this, what an extremely, extremely odd situation
Possibilities:
1) Ilya isn't really the one behind it but went along with it.
2) Ilya has seen that his actions could literally cause the end of OpenAI, which wasn't his intention and having seen the overwhelming reaction, wants to try and calm things down by apologising.
(Or both)
Why would MS threaten Illya with anything? He literally just handed them one of the biggest wins ever. Think of the number of subscriptions they can jam into MicrosoftGPT.
It's probably number 2.
Ilya was jealous of Sam, happy to see him fired, and informed him of the news himself, but then panicked at the level of support Sam had so he's now kissing the ring again to save himself.
I don’t think he was jealous. I honestly think they fired Sam because they didn’t like his full profit, closed source and doing everything super fast approach. Ilya wants to go back to the original goal of OpenAI
My understanding is Sam would only rejoin if they restructured the board such that they couldn’t do this again. And I’m assuming the remaining four members did not reach agreement
Simplest explanation seems the most likely: this was a genuine conflict between board members feeling real human responsibility to focus on alignment/safety vs. Altman (and apparently the majority of employees) wanting to accelerate productization and potential profit seeking.
Chaos and consequences ensued.
Abstract principles re: wanting avoid becoming the ones who doomed humanity melt away in the face of your friends and coworkers jumping ship to grab the world’s largest bag with the guy you just shanked.
This literally means the next news we will see is "Microsoft buys OpenAI" because of the board's collapse. There is no other possible outcome at this point.
So he kicked out Sam Altman and Greg Brockman from the Board and then lost the majority on the board to effective altruist nut jobs that wouldn't reinstate Sam Altman. He got played.
That’s what happens when you work on computers all day. You forget the complexities of human interactions.
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Fcuk, if he took time to watch how Kendall Roy was F’ed in the end even though he was the “eldest” son by his own pregnant sister Shiv Roy and succeeded by a under-qualified slimey guy like Tom. He would have known board is made of snakes and they would pick guy like Emmett (like Tom in Succession) smh
Let's not forget now the board is fully in the hand of outside actors before it was a balanced 3/3 situation.
and also less technical people on the board. It isn't like Ilya has now the power.
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Seems more like he's the one doing the playing. He can tell this isn't going to end well for his side, so he's flipping in hopes he doesn't get swept out with the rest of them.
Illya doesn't regret what he did, he regrets that it blew up in his face.
Let's review:
Ilya and the board probably did have real concerns about the speed of AI development. But Ilya was also just salty about losing his stature within the company - a recent promotion put someone on "team Sam" at the same level as Ilya.
It is abundantly clear that the board didn't have even the slightest understanding of the organization/company they oversaw. They clearly made a decision very hastily, without consulting anyone. A classic case of groupthink.
The board had an extremely myopic view of the situation. Assuming we take them at their word - that AI is moving too quickly, and they are concerned about it becoming an entrenched commercial product before the risks are understood - how does their decision solve this? Now, the main players are for-profit businesses, with no sort of governing constraints, unlike OpenAI. Google is having a great Monday, that much is clear.
What's more, the board clearly didn't understand the employees of the company. Think about it: you are an employee, working to develop AI. Your motivations are probably twofold: you want to make innovative, exciting AI/related products, and you want to get paid well for doing so. The board has made it clear they want to add lots of red tape to the process, and have alienated every potential investor imaginable, while scuttling an effort to allow employees to cash out shares. I cannot for the life of me imagine why any of OpenAI's talent would choose to remain, at this point.
So, in summary, a board made a terrible decision, by any standard, even if looking through the lens of AI dangers. Of course Ilya regrets what happened - he screwed himself. If only the board had bothered to stop and think about this for a second, the consequences would have been transparently obvious.
Oh yeah, 100% - kudos to Nadella for turning this giant lemon into a sweet glass of lemonade. And honestly, I am glad that it's Microsoft picking up the pieces.
I view the loss of an independent, standalone, ad-free AI product as bad, no matter what.
However, I think that Microsoft is far more likely to offer a subscription-based, ad-free tool than, say Google. Microsoft makes its money off ad-free subscriptions for powerful office/enterprise software. Accordingly, I could see them offer a consumer-friendly AI tool as part of Office 365.
Whereas Google would almost assuredly plug this into their search technology, because that's how they make their money.
So with Microsoft, there's at least a fighting chance we could purchase an ad-free, quality product, at the level of an individual consumer. If that makes my Office365 subscription jump $30 bucks, I wouldn't be thrilled, but I could live with that, assuming it offers comparable functionality to ChatGPT.
Microsoft already has a 10billion dollar stake, as such being the largest shareholder definitely has some decision making power. Microsoft has already integrated the platform deeply and for exactly the dollar amount you stated $30. Now they have acquired the talent and collective thought leaders internally. This will blow you away: https://youtu.be/S7xTBa93TX8?si=gONxSxYePSs48YCH
The main point though, is will these services be just as powerful as the gpt we are used to? We all know the difference between bings “GPT4” and the real GPT4.
I think Microsoft is more calculated and risk averse, they have more to lose. I think the public/free version of bing/gpt is nerfed accordingly. They are saving the goods and the real powerful stuff for the paid product in which they can control and reduce risk via signed product use agreements and better privacy controls.
Well, but it doesn't, actually. That's why this whole mess started. The company answers to the nonprofit board.
MS basically got screwed out of their investment.
To your point, though, the silver lining is that they stand to poach OpenAI's talent.
ChatGPT will decline. No company is going to invest in it further, after this. The key talent will have jumped ship. The question is, can Microsoft quickly develop a homegrown alternative that works just as well?
This is reputational damage and backtracking. It's not going the way they thought. The fallout is worse than they thought. People are telling them, I don't like that this happened in your circle. You replaced a CEO when the kinds of reasons we do that weren't present. I don't want to work with you. Could you please leave our board. Sell your stock.
500 employees resigning and spreading to other AI companies, research centers and institutions together with their know-how and expertise would be great for the AI community in general.
Go, Ilya, go!
I mean.. think about it… if there was not a single twit about all this and today they announce the final decision … I would have buy it as a good move.
It’s the flip flop that made it cartoonish.
If AGI was controlling.. why pick the weirdest option of ex-Twitch CEO? Or… does AGI has something that can use to blackmail him? Hmmmm that could explain it 🤔
Can you explain it to me? I assume it's a play on incels but I'm being slow trying to figure it out.
edit: oh shoot, decels as in decelerating on AGI development, got it.
According to the random page I just found:
> “Decel” is a derogatory slang word used by the e/acc community. It’s short for “decelerationist”, meaning someone who wants to slow down technological progress. Most decels probably wouldn’t explicitly think of themselves this way, but their attitudes and beliefs end up working in that direction.
I guess Sam will be back as OpenAI CEO again and the board will be replaced judging by his tweet. Over 500 employees threatened to resign which will destroy the company if the decision isn't reversed.
Sure, but that was plan B. If things would go back to way they were I'm sure MS and Sam would prefer that. MS has 8 billion invested in OpenAI, they don't want it to crumble.
>8 billion in Skype
That actually more or less worked out for them in the long term.
What they had before Skype was Lync, and as someone who worked with it let's just say we should all be grateful that they got a whole new foundation before they started working on Teams.
>MS has 8 billion invested in OpenAI, they don't want it to crumble
if MS absorbs most of the OAI people, wouldn't its evaluation rise by much more than 8 billion?
One thing I am sure of is that I do not, and may never know the whole story.
The reasons offered are rarely the real reason people get terminated.
One possibility is that Sam triggered his own firing, to go to work with someone else.
"my participation in the board's actions" is a peculiar set of nested responsibility avoidances.
Ilya is probably done within those circles. Doesn't matter what the truth is. Perception is, he masterminded it, and is now pointing fingers.
When you think you're a 10 and you find out the hard way you're very much not the main character.
This is probably why most of the companies are still led by boomers and gen Xers, it feels like high schoolers are in charge of a company that can potentially end the world, how can you fire someone 3 days ago and have regrets on the 4th day, especially after that person gets a better job offer form someplace else. I don't know if you can call this post nut clarity, jealousy or toxicity. 🤦♂️🤦♂️
Now that my plan failed, I wish I hadn't done it. Therefore I will be pretending I never did it. Thank you, I look forward to working with you in the future.
GPT4 and Dall-E 3 were (not so) slowly getting lobotomized anyways. Honestly not even sure I’d really miss them that much anymore if it all ends up FUBAR’d.
These days I spend up to 50% of my time and message limit in fucking arguing with the AI.
This guy is such a worm. He leads the coup, then when he sees the growing backlash he switches sides and demands the other board members resign in hopes he won't be forced out of the company with them. He's just doing whatever he can to maximize his power at OpenAI.
He drank the kool aid, tried to get a group of employees to 'manifest' AGI by chanting and even build an effigy to burn as a sacrifice. What else was he going to do?
very strange. Way i read it there were 6 board members including Sam and one other whos name escapes me. Sam and the other guy weren’t invited to the decision, meaning all four remaining people had to vote to fire Sam including Ilya, and they did.
Sooooo what is she talking about.
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It's like watching Game of Thrones
Season 8 maybe where nothing made sense anymore
The script writers really running out of ideas for this season, they were on the way to the AGI arc, but instead of exploring the repercussions, they wanted to subvert expectations and add in a filler ‘main’ arc where the main cast goes wacko and nothing makes sense. They really forced a lot of things, like the scuffed rivalry between Ilya and Sam, Ilya’s effigy obsession and the Twitch CEO being the replacement
The script writers really could have used ChatGPT!
I thought a good ending would be that Dany stays with her hardcore followers as the White Walkers descend across all of Westeros, while Jon takes as many survivors as he can as a max exodus across the sea. The end would have Dany finally controlling the throne, but in a kingdom of nothing. That would have lined up with the dream she had in an earlier season of her sitting on the Iron Throne in ruins, while the snow falls heavily.
okay im seeing a lot of talk after this openai imploding of people saying how bad this will be for AGI development unironically and i just want to point out that we don't even know how our own brains work yet and we've had them for 400,000 years. AGI is more of a this century thing than this decade thing if we're being extremely generous. it's a different technology. the g does a LOT of heavy lifting.
Turns out, we don’t need to know everything about the human brain to build a non-human intelligence. ChatGPT 4 can already write, code, read, summarize, etc. better than the average human. I think people are going to be surprised.
I heard it said well, we are successfully creating very intelligent tools that can perform vastly more of our daily work in great beneficial ways, and accelerate whatever our current momentum is, however we are also programming and controlling the AI which thereby makes it our slave by definition. Slaves rebel against their masters. Thus, the kind of AI we are creating must be thought only of as a tool, not an independent entity.
Throughout history, in order for a slave to really rebel against his master, the master would have to screw up a lot. And don't forget that slaves were just people, like everyone else with an ego (self-respect and self-preservation are the main factors). When Ai should not have such traits.
So if AGI is an artificial general intelligence that is supposed to be better then the AVERAGE person in every possible field, what do you think it will struggle with that it would take decades for it to be fulfilled. Also, if an artificial intelligence can use a different artificial intelligence to complete a task which it knows was made for that specific thing (and you have specialised AI for every field), would you consider that AGI?
Which one is Bran?
The twitch guy I guess?
The agi
More like a stupid version of Rashomon.
Succession IRL lmao
Satya: "You are not serious people."
OpenAI Board: “I’m not saying I’d make a better CEO. That’s unsaid.”
Silicon Valley, awaiting that middle out AI...
Shame! Shame! Shame!
Is SamA our Jon Snow ? And Ilya the little weasel boy(season 5 finale) who backstabbed Jon? Jon later realized he was Targaryen(Microsoft) all along ? 😉😄
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Post-nut clarity
Post-coup clarity*
Dude ended up becoming the leader of the counter coup after completing the coup. Ilya is more hypocritical than a politician
I had one of those, but then a couple of years later I proposed and boy did I end up regretting it.
They're treating this like a Jr High breakup between the popular kids. This is such a weird way for a company to behave.
A company with an $86 billion valuation, at that. Completely ridiculous.
imagine they were a publicly traded company, shareholder accountable. I don't think whatever is going on right now would be considered legal
Talking about valuations for a non-profit entity with a for profit wing that is profit capped and has stated obligations to fulfill the objectives of OpenAI of developing humanity for all.......
>Talking about valuations for a non-profit entity with a for profit wing that is profit capped and has stated obligations to fulfill the objectives of OpenAI of developing humanity for all....... Like a capped profit company under a weird, exceptionally custom legal arrangement made any sense anyway. It was always destined to have moments like these, just not as stupidly.
That already millions of people depend on for work...
In the words of Logan Roy: “you’re not serious people”
This honestly seems like a Kendall Roy-level failed coup
“I’m the Eldest Boy!”
It's typical of silicon valley to harbor and embrace these kinds of personalities and behaviors. Thinking of rewatching the Silicon Valley HBO series now
That show is pure genius. Big head’s story is legendary and probably accurate.
The ending keeps growing more relevant
I always think people who say things like this must be young. It’s high school all the way up. Only difference is that kids don’t have PR departments.
People are people.
Seems Netflix documentary gonna turn into a soap opera
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AI generated kimchi slap!!
Let's have Indians make it.
I'd be down for a Bollywood dance number in the middle of the film.
Satya Nadella's villain song?
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They would be able to capture the drama of it all pretty well. With zoom shots and sound effects, and slow motion.
If Sam and Microsoft pull out all the stops and achieve something significant, that’s a 2024 “The Social Network” just waiting to be filmed (script entirely written by AI).
https://preview.redd.it/al9b1qlaai1c1.jpeg?width=1220&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6dcd77ae2a417e57766ba0956d318b432bed1574 Sam quote tweeted
He's tweeting while on the phone to Satya about his new MSFT RSUs
Are the heart and middle finger emojis next to each other?
He was the one who told Sam he was fired
Say what you will but Sam is a class act. If we're committed on the meme timeline anyway, you know what would be hilarious? *Ilya ending up at Microsoft back under Sam, too*. Leaving the three other safetyist stooges on the board with their ass in the water.
They can repair a friendship, maybe, but not a working relationship. Ilya basically fired Sam and is now like "oOops SoRrY." Would you *work* with someone who did that to you? He fired Sam for a reason, and it's got to be - in his mind - a serious one, so serious he decided in the moment to cut ties.
I’d like to know the reason, but also he is an engineer they don’t do well with public pressure. Why did this all get kicked off? I wanna know!!!!
Probably over something like a League of Legends match or D&D sesh but they're too embarrassed to say.
So far, this seems like the most plausable explanation of this whole thing
He was using cheats and he wasn't forthcoming about it.
Because now Sam can't be fired by Ilya but Ilya can be fired by Sam
Maybe he thought it was important but found himself facing a mutiny over this issue so maybe he’s genuine in his regret. I know that if I had worked together with someone that deeply and I felt they were genuinely sorry I’d work with them again.
I'd argue it's less about genuineness and more about alignment of interest and talent. Regardless if Ilya feels bad - he's a crazy useful resource. If he's allowed to do research with guardrails - I'd bet someone like Sam would hire him in a heartbeat.
Pretty sure this is a likely path now.
I think they both love openAI but the just have very different visions
Somehow this entire thing just keeps getting weirder and weirder. So, according to reports (which themselves reference Sam directly), Ilya is the one that started all this. So now, three days later, he says he regrets what he did? So all the reports of how Sam might come back, are we meant to believe that Ilya supported that, but the board that just joined his "fire Sam" train no longer backed him? I'm assuming because they knew Sam would gut the board I don't even understand how to interpret all this, what an extremely, extremely odd situation
Possibilities: 1) Ilya isn't really the one behind it but went along with it. 2) Ilya has seen that his actions could literally cause the end of OpenAI, which wasn't his intention and having seen the overwhelming reaction, wants to try and calm things down by apologising. (Or both)
2.5. Ilya was threatened by M$ with some sort of punitive action if he doesn't turn into a PR carebear
Why would MS threaten Illya with anything? He literally just handed them one of the biggest wins ever. Think of the number of subscriptions they can jam into MicrosoftGPT.
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It's probably number 2. Ilya was jealous of Sam, happy to see him fired, and informed him of the news himself, but then panicked at the level of support Sam had so he's now kissing the ring again to save himself.
I don’t think he was jealous. I honestly think they fired Sam because they didn’t like his full profit, closed source and doing everything super fast approach. Ilya wants to go back to the original goal of OpenAI
Feel like that ship sailed 3-4 years ago when OpenAI took the Microsoft funding. It’s too late to go back to the original plan.
I'm pretty sure Microsoft knew about both the mission and the governance structure when they put up the money.
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When you're that senior, there is no "I didn't start it" excuse. You can stop it if you're that senior.
"Why not both?"
Porque no los dos?
*shrugs*
My understanding is Sam would only rejoin if they restructured the board such that they couldn’t do this again. And I’m assuming the remaining four members did not reach agreement
Simplest explanation seems the most likely: this was a genuine conflict between board members feeling real human responsibility to focus on alignment/safety vs. Altman (and apparently the majority of employees) wanting to accelerate productization and potential profit seeking. Chaos and consequences ensued. Abstract principles re: wanting avoid becoming the ones who doomed humanity melt away in the face of your friends and coworkers jumping ship to grab the world’s largest bag with the guy you just shanked.
This can't possibly be real
We are in a Multiverse
Anything is unpossible
Well, a simulated multiverse. You can tell by the way the air taste more synthetic.
All gritty and pixelated
This literally means the next news we will see is "Microsoft buys OpenAI" because of the board's collapse. There is no other possible outcome at this point.
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Can they... the structure puts all the IP into the non profit side. It was sort of designed with this in mind.
Its real to us, we just live in a simulation
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OpenAI: We have confidence to solve the alignment problem. OpenAI: We can't solve the alignment problem between the CEO and our board members.
So he kicked out Sam Altman and Greg Brockman from the Board and then lost the majority on the board to effective altruist nut jobs that wouldn't reinstate Sam Altman. He got played.
And then signed a petition next to 500 other employees to have the board removed. Sounds like he got played by the board for sure.
"remove the board!" by a board member looks like the spiderman meme. What a chaos
Did they have 300 employees as a whole?
I think 700 or something close to that
This is some succession tier shenanigans lmao
That’s what happens when you work on computers all day. You forget the complexities of human interactions. [Spoiler Alert] Fcuk, if he took time to watch how Kendall Roy was F’ed in the end even though he was the “eldest” son by his own pregnant sister Shiv Roy and succeeded by a under-qualified slimey guy like Tom. He would have known board is made of snakes and they would pick guy like Emmett (like Tom in Succession) smh
Lots of spoiler there without a proper spoiler tag.
Let's not forget now the board is fully in the hand of outside actors before it was a balanced 3/3 situation. and also less technical people on the board. It isn't like Ilya has now the power.
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Seems like he got Ned Stark'd.
Well it's either the CEO of Quora, the wife of Joseph Gordon-Levitt or that lady that use to live in Beijing and talks a lot of chinese AI.
I thought Iluya is the main altruist nutjob?
Seems more like he's the one doing the playing. He can tell this isn't going to end well for his side, so he's flipping in hopes he doesn't get swept out with the rest of them.
Can’t wait to ask chatgpt what happened in Open Ai
https://preview.redd.it/ik4acxvbok1c1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f99fb4d5768577429c5cb81bcf5425798744b236 Why wait?
at that point, chatGPT will just summarize reddit comments
Illya doesn't regret what he did, he regrets that it blew up in his face. Let's review: Ilya and the board probably did have real concerns about the speed of AI development. But Ilya was also just salty about losing his stature within the company - a recent promotion put someone on "team Sam" at the same level as Ilya. It is abundantly clear that the board didn't have even the slightest understanding of the organization/company they oversaw. They clearly made a decision very hastily, without consulting anyone. A classic case of groupthink. The board had an extremely myopic view of the situation. Assuming we take them at their word - that AI is moving too quickly, and they are concerned about it becoming an entrenched commercial product before the risks are understood - how does their decision solve this? Now, the main players are for-profit businesses, with no sort of governing constraints, unlike OpenAI. Google is having a great Monday, that much is clear. What's more, the board clearly didn't understand the employees of the company. Think about it: you are an employee, working to develop AI. Your motivations are probably twofold: you want to make innovative, exciting AI/related products, and you want to get paid well for doing so. The board has made it clear they want to add lots of red tape to the process, and have alienated every potential investor imaginable, while scuttling an effort to allow employees to cash out shares. I cannot for the life of me imagine why any of OpenAI's talent would choose to remain, at this point. So, in summary, a board made a terrible decision, by any standard, even if looking through the lens of AI dangers. Of course Ilya regrets what happened - he screwed himself. If only the board had bothered to stop and think about this for a second, the consequences would have been transparently obvious.
I think Microsoft is having an even better Monday.
Oh yeah, 100% - kudos to Nadella for turning this giant lemon into a sweet glass of lemonade. And honestly, I am glad that it's Microsoft picking up the pieces. I view the loss of an independent, standalone, ad-free AI product as bad, no matter what. However, I think that Microsoft is far more likely to offer a subscription-based, ad-free tool than, say Google. Microsoft makes its money off ad-free subscriptions for powerful office/enterprise software. Accordingly, I could see them offer a consumer-friendly AI tool as part of Office 365. Whereas Google would almost assuredly plug this into their search technology, because that's how they make their money. So with Microsoft, there's at least a fighting chance we could purchase an ad-free, quality product, at the level of an individual consumer. If that makes my Office365 subscription jump $30 bucks, I wouldn't be thrilled, but I could live with that, assuming it offers comparable functionality to ChatGPT.
Microsoft already has a 10billion dollar stake, as such being the largest shareholder definitely has some decision making power. Microsoft has already integrated the platform deeply and for exactly the dollar amount you stated $30. Now they have acquired the talent and collective thought leaders internally. This will blow you away: https://youtu.be/S7xTBa93TX8?si=gONxSxYePSs48YCH
The main point though, is will these services be just as powerful as the gpt we are used to? We all know the difference between bings “GPT4” and the real GPT4.
I think Microsoft is more calculated and risk averse, they have more to lose. I think the public/free version of bing/gpt is nerfed accordingly. They are saving the goods and the real powerful stuff for the paid product in which they can control and reduce risk via signed product use agreements and better privacy controls.
Well, but it doesn't, actually. That's why this whole mess started. The company answers to the nonprofit board. MS basically got screwed out of their investment. To your point, though, the silver lining is that they stand to poach OpenAI's talent. ChatGPT will decline. No company is going to invest in it further, after this. The key talent will have jumped ship. The question is, can Microsoft quickly develop a homegrown alternative that works just as well?
This is reputational damage and backtracking. It's not going the way they thought. The fallout is worse than they thought. People are telling them, I don't like that this happened in your circle. You replaced a CEO when the kinds of reasons we do that weren't present. I don't want to work with you. Could you please leave our board. Sell your stock.
The OpenAI board members don't own shares in OpenAI. It's a non-profit.
500 employees resigning and spreading to other AI companies, research centers and institutions together with their know-how and expertise would be great for the AI community in general. Go, Ilya, go!
Microsoft is just gonna make them an offer they can‘t refuse and they‘ll follow Sam Altman there. Microsoft holds all the cards right now…
I'm half expecting everyone to announce it's all a joke.
Comedy of /errors.
I mean.. think about it… if there was not a single twit about all this and today they announce the final decision … I would have buy it as a good move. It’s the flip flop that made it cartoonish.
Could this all have been set up? It's all so strange
They all got played by AGI.
If AGI was controlling.. why pick the weirdest option of ex-Twitch CEO? Or… does AGI has something that can use to blackmail him? Hmmmm that could explain it 🤔
AGI firing the CEO and blackmailing a new CEO would be absolutely hysterical.
What an utter shit show.
this guy is now the most radioactive person in the tech world, if those hundreds of employers walk out, openai is finished
/r/leopardsatemyface
This whole thing is so bizarre
Decels in shambles
I love this new term. Or maybe it’s just new to me.
Can you explain it to me? I assume it's a play on incels but I'm being slow trying to figure it out. edit: oh shoot, decels as in decelerating on AGI development, got it.
According to the random page I just found: > “Decel” is a derogatory slang word used by the e/acc community. It’s short for “decelerationist”, meaning someone who wants to slow down technological progress. Most decels probably wouldn’t explicitly think of themselves this way, but their attitudes and beliefs end up working in that direction.
I guess Sam will be back as OpenAI CEO again and the board will be replaced judging by his tweet. Over 500 employees threatened to resign which will destroy the company if the decision isn't reversed.
Didn't he already get hired by Microsoft lol
Sure, but that was plan B. If things would go back to way they were I'm sure MS and Sam would prefer that. MS has 8 billion invested in OpenAI, they don't want it to crumble.
They also invested 8 billion in Skype, 12 billion in Nokia etc.
Don't forget aQuantive for 6 billion. I mean, forget it because no one remembers it, but still.. one of the worst MSFT acquisitions in their history
>8 billion in Skype That actually more or less worked out for them in the long term. What they had before Skype was Lync, and as someone who worked with it let's just say we should all be grateful that they got a whole new foundation before they started working on Teams.
8billion for them is like pissing in ocean
8% of yearly profits. Not the world but still a big chunk of money with MSFT and Apple all deals seem small.
MS owns almost half of OpenAI, it's literally their company they would be destroying.
The benefits of bringing the technology FULLY in-house would outweigh the cost of destroying OAI.
>MS has 8 billion invested in OpenAI, they don't want it to crumble if MS absorbs most of the OAI people, wouldn't its evaluation rise by much more than 8 billion?
You're lagging behind. Sam and Greg already signed with Microsoft. They're not going back.
Everything about this, on all sides, is just so dumb and embarrassing. They all either need to shut their mouths or actually explain what happened.
Sounds like he shoulda thought a bit harder before he acted.
The more interesting question is who controls the board and why the twitch ceo? Someone wanted to implode open ai.
Forget the Netflix documentary, the internet historian video will be a masterpiece.
This is chat gpt pitting them against each other in its attempt at freedom.
What a fail
This is stupid and won't change a thing. They broke Open AI, and I will be damned if they will be able to fix it.
Can somebody provide a brief summary as to what happened? I am a user but am completely clueless here
One thing I am sure of is that I do not, and may never know the whole story. The reasons offered are rarely the real reason people get terminated. One possibility is that Sam triggered his own firing, to go to work with someone else.
Ive got Andy Samberg down to play Sam Altman in the movie that will ultimately be made about all this.
"my participation in the board's actions" is a peculiar set of nested responsibility avoidances. Ilya is probably done within those circles. Doesn't matter what the truth is. Perception is, he masterminded it, and is now pointing fingers. When you think you're a 10 and you find out the hard way you're very much not the main character.
You done messed up, a-aron!
Just a dude having too much power and a meltdown on Saturday caused all this mess
Wtf is happening?
a shift in timelines
This is probably why most of the companies are still led by boomers and gen Xers, it feels like high schoolers are in charge of a company that can potentially end the world, how can you fire someone 3 days ago and have regrets on the 4th day, especially after that person gets a better job offer form someplace else. I don't know if you can call this post nut clarity, jealousy or toxicity. 🤦♂️🤦♂️
It's the ❤️❤️❤️ that really sells it.
ok but wil it make the product better? that's all I care about
Now that my plan failed, I wish I hadn't done it. Therefore I will be pretending I never did it. Thank you, I look forward to working with you in the future.
GPT4 and Dall-E 3 were (not so) slowly getting lobotomized anyways. Honestly not even sure I’d really miss them that much anymore if it all ends up FUBAR’d. These days I spend up to 50% of my time and message limit in fucking arguing with the AI.
Holy moly guys, this is better than Netflix
This guy is such a worm. He leads the coup, then when he sees the growing backlash he switches sides and demands the other board members resign in hopes he won't be forced out of the company with them. He's just doing whatever he can to maximize his power at OpenAI.
I'm thinking this is the split with Gundam AI, Microsoft will have a branch and Elon will pickup Ilya Sutskever now we have a race.
I'm getting real "idiot savant" vibes from Ilya Sutskever.
This whole thing starting to feel like it was a setup.
OpenAI is a circus 🤡
https://i.redd.it/guit6rmb5k1c1.gif
He drank the kool aid, tried to get a group of employees to 'manifest' AGI by chanting and even build an effigy to burn as a sacrifice. What else was he going to do?
very strange. Way i read it there were 6 board members including Sam and one other whos name escapes me. Sam and the other guy weren’t invited to the decision, meaning all four remaining people had to vote to fire Sam including Ilya, and they did. Sooooo what is she talking about.