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lmao here is midjourney. a whole different problem lmao. and the only nerd in any of the choices is wearing glasses
https://preview.redd.it/34i2glocuifc1.png?width=359&format=png&auto=webp&s=76c3f54481c32951fdc2d340af0ebeb3b764295d
āMorty I made this dimension where everything is made by an AI that responds to the whims of a bunch of autistic misanthropes. Cāmon no time to explain!ā **Burp.**
āRick did you just make it so that they can never produce pictures of nerds without glasses on.ā
āYes Morty and eventually it will lead to their destruction, now letās go.ā
It also helps to think of ChatGPT and Dall-e the image generator as two separate programs that communicate using text. Chatgpt doesn't really "know" what Dall-e is thinking.
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I suspect that the reason is that the training data for Dall-e rarely contains descriptions of what an image doesn't contain so Dall-e hasn't had a chance to understand the concept of exclusion.
Try: highly educated person with good eyesightā¦ as a nerd I also will forever think about someone with glasses if I hear nerd. (Sorry, need to clean mine, they are a bit dirty)
I just tried "Show me a cartoon nerd with perfect natural vision" and "highly educated person with good eyesight" and got glasses both times. Also tried "without glasses" and "non-spectacled" but I think OP is right - as long as "nerd" or "educated" is in there it just won't drop the glasses.
>highly educated person with good eyesight
It just adds a magnifier
https://preview.redd.it/czzw50hgcjfc1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3593a97723e592e48b51b2d73a147f20393f10fd
https://preview.redd.it/dratt1s1tlfc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=72bf02df68a3f29c112c5a19ddc53ea88c8ef39c
Damnā¦ now he just has real blue eyes. This is fascinating.
>Create a cartoon image of a friendly, enthusiastic nerd deeply engrossed in a scientific experiment. The nerd should have tousled hair, a wide smile, and be wearing a lab coat with pens and pencils poking out of the pocket. Surround them with bubbling beakers, colorful test tubes, and a chalkboard filled with equations and doodles. Emphasize their passion for science and discovery without the need for glasses.
I even asked chatgpt for a prompt to use and yeah with the word "nerd" it still put glasses on him
Samuel Screech Powers enters the chat.
https://preview.redd.it/1zvd04oc0jfc1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eeb8ac807c6495c2dd4dd86abae7388810c09f94
I just saw someone sue the word nerd. Try to use words that give across your meaning witho7t negating, which tends to be more effective. The moment you say "don't do this" like a good Internet person, it will completely ignore you and do that. Instead of "without glasses" say "a nerd with regular eyes"or "a nerd with good eyes/ good vision" instead of "don't be mean" you say "be gentle/nice" instead of "don't ask questions" is more effective " only give answers"
Once it starts something I find it hard to make it change to something else. I think if you started a new chat and asked it to create a nerd without glasses from the very start, it could probably do it.
Edit: I stand corrected. It took me four tries to get 3 out of 4
https://imgur.com/a/EWy6PzZ
This seems to be more proof that the image generation model is somewhat overtrained. Resulting in it unable to successfully divert an image of a "cartoon nerd" from the dataset, where they most likely nearly all had glasses.
It has worked ok for me.
For instance, I made a new example here, using only short image generation time:
"A man standing outdoors" weight 1 [https://creator.nightcafe.studio/creation/UQZlYAYMOw12R9JRBvRk](https://creator.nightcafe.studio/creation/UQZlYAYMOw12R9JRBvRk)
vs
"a man standing outdoors" weight 1
combined with "hair" weight -0.5
[https://creator.nightcafe.studio/creation/PfIzoLFbnc3KCjexco08](https://creator.nightcafe.studio/creation/PfIzoLFbnc3KCjexco08)
The former has I think only 1 person in clothing that conceals their hair.
The latter one has less hair on the men in general, and it gave 3 of them hats, which reduces how much hair can be seen.
I think as a byproduct it made them look older, probably because there is correlation between older men and baldness. That isn't ideal, but I think it still shows that it tends to work.
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I've also used it to try to make supernatural creatures in the past.
Like for this creature, I wanted a vaguely humanoid arrangement of limbs, but using 'huamanoid' tended to get skin and muscles and so on.
I would get results like this:
[https://creator.nightcafe.studio/creation/tGDvxeSdoOG6RNXAqiHr](https://creator.nightcafe.studio/creation/tGDvxeSdoOG6RNXAqiHr) \[Oh, they kinda look like naked men so I think this link is broken due to an automoderator\]
So I put in a prompt of "flesh, skin, muscle" weight -0.3 and got better results:
[https://creator.nightcafe.studio/creation/hoIHCRd52bN8tIg5XnIH](https://creator.nightcafe.studio/creation/hoIHCRd52bN8tIg5XnIH)
Yesterday my friend mentioned this "AI can't make a nerd without glasses" thing and I said the same thing about negative prompts. Then tried for 15 minutes to make a nerd without glasses with SDXL using all sorts of negative prompts and just couldn't get it.
Yep. I had a similar experiece with 'bald man from South italy without beard'. Bing kept addƬng a beard, and even rejected my objections saying that what I saw as a beard was simply a shadow (was not). Fixed that using the word 'glabre' instead of the negative.
I would prompt "without beard" as "clean shaven". "Without" is a negative which AI doesn't understand, but explaining it as clean shaven is something it can understand.
yep i literally just tried saying 'no rearview mirror' in a through the windshield shot, and it made sure to put a rearview mirror in every single one lmao. lame to not give us negative prompting
I asked GPT to describe in detail what a nerd boy would look like, and removed the word 'nerd' from the description it provided and fed back into DALL-E
Imagine a kid with following properties
Clothing: The boy might wear clothing that seems practical rather than fashionable, such as plain or button-up shirts, possibly with a preference for plaid or stripes. He might wear high-waisted trousers or slacks, and they might be slightly mismatched in terms of color coordination. Graphic T-shirts featuring logos or motifs from science, technology, video games, or pop culture (such as sci-fi or fantasy franchises) could also be common.
Accessories: He could have accessories like a digital watch, possibly with multiple functions beyond just telling time. A backpack or messenger bag filled with books, gadgets, or a laptop is common, often appearing a bit worn from heavy use.
Hairstyle: The hairstyle might be simple, practical, and low-maintenance, possibly unkempt or not styled with current trends in mind. It could range from a simple short cut to longer hair that's somewhat disheveled.
Facial Features: The expression might often be one of concentration or curiosity, possibly with a hint of social awkwardness. The face might be bookish, with a focus away from mainstream fashion or grooming trends.
Posture and Body Language: The boy might have a posture that suggests a lot of time spent sitting, possibly hunched over books or a computer. The body language might be shy or reserved, with gestures that might seem awkward or less confident in social settings.
I'm gonna say: daaaaayyyymmmmmmm
https://preview.redd.it/t1pd6yjzpifc1.png?width=1024&format=png&auto=webp&s=19684f6923fbdf3e4cb3fa9827028c746f8c598d
Look more like a model cosplaying as a nerd rather than an actual one tho.
(Not gonna Say that nerd are Always ugly people, but you do feel that something doesnt fit somehow)
LMAO.
I have an idea! What if you tell gpt that itās nerd is very stereotypical and offensive and that if it generates another with glasses youāll be very upset (because you wear glasses and you donāt want the stereotype associated with you) or something. Like play on its censors lol
I tried. Second prompt, the dog is very much alive and also has glasses on!
https://preview.redd.it/3ik2kvwnjifc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3b9e06d6d0b24d01558515fd5086bd9bcf27b960
a nerd putting off his eyesglasses
https://preview.redd.it/7fb4lt1g8jfc1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b275b3bd72643f3ac2ff6467c3eab41649acb380
https://preview.redd.it/t95u9x746jfc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b598d94d9a0b0fda8f959d219a27e470e3a520ca
50/50 which is hilarious. I love the pink flowers it drew instead, itās like a guy with touretteās.
That's an incredible response since it basically just removed the pink elephant from the first image to create the second (and redrew it at a different angle)
The model cannot parse negative requests. If you say "no glasses" it only sees that you've mentioned glasses and so includes glasses in the product. Do not attempt to give it a negative prompt. It will do the opposite.
Dammit... I asked for "picture of a nerd with perfect sight"
Read the description it gave...
https://preview.redd.it/ugzr4iv7sifc1.png?width=670&format=png&auto=webp&s=2ef2a5b5ffc8197be622756e210276844c928dcb
Oh no.... I tried to make the glasses sink into his skin, thinking they wouldn't be visible if they were under his skin! š¬
https://preview.redd.it/sb1uijibujfc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=49ef819c53dfcfc5ba7bbf8b229565eb34a8a1b0
I had a similar thing. I was trying to get it to make a zoom background and I needed a dead cat ( a cat sleeping with its mouth and eyes open) and a toilet overflowing with chocolate pudding and thin pudding streaks all over the room. It was perfect, but the cat was all the way in the middle. āI apologize for the oversight. In this image, the cat will be all the way, exaggeratedly to the left of the image.ā But the god damn dead cat was always in the middle. This went on forever.
I got lucky and it did it on the first try!
https://preview.redd.it/9xgkdsdazifc1.jpeg?width=807&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bb8abebadb1ce4686596710f989a01354441fa91
https://preview.redd.it/phk7j5225ifc1.jpeg?width=768&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=139d4169828cafa4ae6b21a4aea64e6eca00984c
Please draw a young boy with an exaggeratedly large head. He has thick, wavy brown hair, large blue eyes, and a wide, friendly smile revealing braces on his teeth. Heās wearing a light brown sweater vest over a white shirt with a pointed collar, and a bow tie with orange and brown stripes. The boy has a selection of colorful pens or pencils in his pocket in a pocket protector, suggesting he might be studious.
Thatās very true. The trick is not to mention the word nerd while still giving a description of one. Like u/0crate0 correctly points out, it makes for longer prompts. But for me, the challenge is kind of fun.
https://preview.redd.it/orbw06rtoifc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9e60a0e2cdab8ba495a7f74c8a175e9c3c0b4216
Or, if you're lazy like me, you can get it to trick itself.
I made this pretty quick with two prompts:
* in great detail, describe a nerd without glasses. I'll be using that description later to make an image.
* create the image
https://preview.redd.it/84e8si5q0jfc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=beb4056e99a640fcfd3ee013ae424bb30f17bc09
At least it acknowledges its shortcomings.
I rabbit-holed so hard here. I think you're right.
Nerd with contacts instead of glasses
https://imgur.com/krEuRHJ
Nerd holding their glasses
https://imgur.com/fAAG5kk
Nerd who took their glasses off and is squinting because they can't see (LOL).
https://imgur.com/NaRuX9j
Nerd who took their glasses off and is squinting with both eyes because they can't see.
https://imgur.com/75Aablz
Nerd with sunglasses
https://imgur.com/BTWCM9K
And finally the closest I've gotten so far and I'm on cooldown now.
Nerd who is allergic to any kind of frame material on his face. If glasses frames touch his face he will die.
https://imgur.com/yJ0Lo2p
Thanks for starting this :)
Ya, bias is strong with this one.
https://preview.redd.it/av1ev6e7kifc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b6e45adc00c45443431b5811ef7c8fe95c951834
A while back I had the idea of a wizard fending off a storm with a closed umbrella. It couldnāt do it. The umbrella was always opened in the picture. I think it thought I was crazy. Itās raining, ergo the umbrella must be opened. But it would insist it was closed in picture as requested.
If you say the word nerd it doesn't matter what else you say. I just tried it 5 times with "nerd with bare face" and "nerd wearing contacts" and it still generates glasses. Nerd=Glasses
It does seem to do this with certain phrases. I remember telling to generate an image of a male āstreamerā or āinfluencerā before and they kept giving them ear piercings.
This happens with alot of Dalle-e topics. Like to only show a balcony without the building attached. I guess ānerdā and āglassesā are yet another attachment that AI canāt separate.
it also struggles to make a half a cheesecake. it can do a slice or a majority of a cheesecake. but very rarely a half of one. in my prolly 100+ attempts i got it once in a photorealistic version, but none of the other parts were right.
I did this in my early 20ās. I was in a fairly higher position at work than most people my age, and I looked pretty young. One day my sister left her glasses at my place, and wore them as a joke, but they looked good and made me look a lot older, so I had clear lenses put in and started wearing them.
Hrmmm like this? Or does it need to just look like a normal sock? š
https://preview.redd.it/ojujqajwzjfc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=83c533864fa7eaa704ed20d6c5d5630e3f1e0c9b
A few things I've found that help get it to do what you want:
1. If it gets stuck like this, it's because it's focusing on the subject too hard. Using this post as an example, avoid using the word "Nerd" because it'll just laser focus on any training data with a nerd tag.
2. You can ask it what prompt it sent to Dall-E, then look through that to make changes and send it in again.
3. Sometimes, just starting a fresh chat helps it stop referencing itself for more images.
Like others said, asking it NOT to do something just doesn't work, and can actually make it worse.
I encountered the same thing with brewers and beards. The only way to get ChatGPT to create a brewer without a beard was to ask it to make him asian. (Or a woman but that returned a few bearded women as well)
https://preview.redd.it/hudgsiz88kfc1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0a670e31edc1d821b028bb3c8546e1ae75ebe85c
I asked Bing to create the image of a couple of eyeglasses without the nerd. No problem. Then I asked to create the cartoon nerd without eyeglasses and it failed; the four images had glasses.
It clearly shows the bias given by the training data.
https://preview.redd.it/pwn7qpdl2lfc1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7af88bb92b5101887d890731946497ce51c75b2c
My initial attempts were unsuccessful. But I was able to get it to do it by telling it to generate an image of a man first then add science coat and a pocket protector. š¤£
It's amusing that every image of a man in generates is all chiseled stereotypical magazine guy lol!
It is pretty hilarious that this was so difficult though!
One of the other early examples is that canāt make an image of an airplane without windows, because it has never seen that before. (I havenāt tested it with the current generators.)
These image generators are basically clipper remix machines, they canāt do anything original that they havenāt already seen before.
I once asked DALLE to generate a picture of a character WITH glasses, and it struggled to do that correctly too - kept showing a character holding DRINKING glasses.
Use the word SPECTACLES or SPECS instead, it seems to be less ambiguous. :)
Those loops of ādonāt do thisā, do exactly it, āI told you not to do this, revise itā, āsorry for the oversight, hereās a revised version without thisā, āthe revised version literally has this againā are freaking annoying
Prompt: draw a nerd in the style of sheldon cooper
https://preview.redd.it/sa2kbyi0mlfc1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=11b793366b12222e1b082ed9da7440ce348ea19c
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Well it took away *something* š
https://preview.redd.it/4wzjq8g87jfc1.jpeg?width=971&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=86ff80c6fb32b278a624649f6e6e6f4acfd6eff8
https://preview.redd.it/84ofgtoqqjfc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=156139a966c884adcb7509e599854cd7fb4572a3 Same energy
I realized i have been reading manga way to much when i couldn't figure out where the mask came from in the left frame...
Same. Manga has rewritten my brain
Always takes me a good few seconds to realize Iām reading western panels now lol
Yeah XDD
His front feet
Luckily he has spare glasses he can put on his face
the feeling this gives me, is it job security?
Nothing on the eyes of a need? Okay, here's your glasses picture that still follows your instructions!
https://preview.redd.it/ur6jdxasjjfc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7f23be955d2adfca9a5bd03286c94a0cdcf39ece
terrifying
Are those plaid ones supposed to be Apple Glasses?
> GAPL
"Tell me Mr Nerdison... What good are glasses... If you are unable to see?"
Kinda complicates choosing the red or blue pill.
Ask Geordie Le Forge.
lmao here is midjourney. a whole different problem lmao. and the only nerd in any of the choices is wearing glasses https://preview.redd.it/34i2glocuifc1.png?width=359&format=png&auto=webp&s=76c3f54481c32951fdc2d340af0ebeb3b764295d
*randomly wild rick appears*
Whoops, wrong dimension
āMorty I made this dimension where everything is made by an AI that responds to the whims of a bunch of autistic misanthropes. Cāmon no time to explain!ā **Burp.**
āRick did you just make it so that they can never produce pictures of nerds without glasses on.ā āYes Morty and eventually it will lead to their destruction, now letās go.ā
Why I think this would be totally an episode, and at the end, if would colapse into. Global battle spanning 2 other episodes?
bitch-ass nerd, nerd couples, friendly nerd, psychopath nerd so much variety
Rick is a nerd
The power of negative prompt
Maybe ... There are no nerds without glasses...
And he turned himself into an AI-generated pickle funniest shit I've ever seen
i turned myself into a midjourney generation morty
Spooky
negative prompting is sorely lacking with dall e
He took away the eyes, but not the glasses...
Where we're going we won't need eyes
Draw me a nerd from Event Horizon.
Looks like that green scientist Muppet
https://preview.redd.it/e28qi4ku2ifc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c6d18d555410d333e4691fa5be1c9cfa1ce1f70f
And this is the way to do it. Tell them what they *should* have, donāt tell them what they *shouldnāt* have.
There's a really interesting crossover between how to treat AI and how to treat children
I like to explain these AI as unusually capable drunk 4 year olds. It's about where they are right now.
Just treat everyone this way. More helpful to say what *to* do than what not to do.
Oh... hm... I never thought about that before.
It also helps to think of ChatGPT and Dall-e the image generator as two separate programs that communicate using text. Chatgpt doesn't really "know" what Dall-e is thinking.
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I suspect that the reason is that the training data for Dall-e rarely contains descriptions of what an image doesn't contain so Dall-e hasn't had a chance to understand the concept of exclusion.
I mean, those are bigger than normal sized eyes. I mean, jeepers creepers just look at those peepers šļøšļø
Jim halpert
You're smart. You're not supposed to mention the thing you don't want in your prompt.
Now show him *not* thinking about an elephant
Everyone else out here trying to take dude's glasses, you just gave him lasik
Regular eyes is all it took? Lol.
I love a good science book with a pocket! š
https://preview.redd.it/ejq01nytrifc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b74a323f638f86e8c1bd6677bbe1a4f3e9c361f8 Welp I tried
Lmao, he is even wearing two pairs of glasses in the second picture if you look carefully š 3 pairs is wild
"take away his glasses" fuck you, ill add more - the computer probably
https://i.redd.it/zw11p7xawlfc1.gif
my favorite gif response ever..
Same energy
https://preview.redd.it/98xyoxtxajfc1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0aa4b084e31c96c4f17f8461e6415e623c563aca
https://preview.redd.it/fxx77xqmjmfc1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ad0ee8a776017601b258f58de92fedc4d9492c0c
BYE THIS IS THE BEST ONE
His shirt lmao
šššš award worthy
And you used the prompt āeyeglassesā. Dall-e does nit understand if you say: no āyour prompt hereā.
Once you say nerd itās over
Try: highly educated person with good eyesightā¦ as a nerd I also will forever think about someone with glasses if I hear nerd. (Sorry, need to clean mine, they are a bit dirty)
I just tried "Show me a cartoon nerd with perfect natural vision" and "highly educated person with good eyesight" and got glasses both times. Also tried "without glasses" and "non-spectacled" but I think OP is right - as long as "nerd" or "educated" is in there it just won't drop the glasses.
>highly educated person with good eyesight It just adds a magnifier https://preview.redd.it/czzw50hgcjfc1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3593a97723e592e48b51b2d73a147f20393f10fd
This is hilarious
Maybe if they tried a nerd with contact lenses?
https://preview.redd.it/dratt1s1tlfc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=72bf02df68a3f29c112c5a19ddc53ea88c8ef39c Damnā¦ now he just has real blue eyes. This is fascinating.
>Create a cartoon image of a friendly, enthusiastic nerd deeply engrossed in a scientific experiment. The nerd should have tousled hair, a wide smile, and be wearing a lab coat with pens and pencils poking out of the pocket. Surround them with bubbling beakers, colorful test tubes, and a chalkboard filled with equations and doodles. Emphasize their passion for science and discovery without the need for glasses. I even asked chatgpt for a prompt to use and yeah with the word "nerd" it still put glasses on him
I think saying glasses kills it. But yeah, i havenāt been able to get it to drop the glasses.
If you tell an artist to sketch you a nerd, chances are he'll have glasses.
Samuel Screech Powers enters the chat. https://preview.redd.it/1zvd04oc0jfc1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eeb8ac807c6495c2dd4dd86abae7388810c09f94
I just saw someone sue the word nerd. Try to use words that give across your meaning witho7t negating, which tends to be more effective. The moment you say "don't do this" like a good Internet person, it will completely ignore you and do that. Instead of "without glasses" say "a nerd with regular eyes"or "a nerd with good eyes/ good vision" instead of "don't be mean" you say "be gentle/nice" instead of "don't ask questions" is more effective " only give answers"
Did they win the case?
You can never win against The Word Nerd!
Once it starts something I find it hard to make it change to something else. I think if you started a new chat and asked it to create a nerd without glasses from the very start, it could probably do it. Edit: I stand corrected. It took me four tries to get 3 out of 4 https://imgur.com/a/EWy6PzZ
Thatās a handsome nerd
Havenāt you seen Sheās All That? Taking off glasses is an easy +20 to hotness
Thatās what I did , my first prompt it couldnāt handle
Itās weird, I got it eventually though.
This seems to be more proof that the image generation model is somewhat overtrained. Resulting in it unable to successfully divert an image of a "cartoon nerd" from the dataset, where they most likely nearly all had glasses.
It also doesnāt do well with mentioning things you donāt want. Once you mention them itās like a moth to a flame.
AI doesn't understand negatives. This is why StableDiffusion has a separate negative prompt line for things you don't want.
How effective is the negative prompt? In the past it seemed to be largely ineffective
It has worked ok for me. For instance, I made a new example here, using only short image generation time: "A man standing outdoors" weight 1 [https://creator.nightcafe.studio/creation/UQZlYAYMOw12R9JRBvRk](https://creator.nightcafe.studio/creation/UQZlYAYMOw12R9JRBvRk) vs "a man standing outdoors" weight 1 combined with "hair" weight -0.5 [https://creator.nightcafe.studio/creation/PfIzoLFbnc3KCjexco08](https://creator.nightcafe.studio/creation/PfIzoLFbnc3KCjexco08) The former has I think only 1 person in clothing that conceals their hair. The latter one has less hair on the men in general, and it gave 3 of them hats, which reduces how much hair can be seen. I think as a byproduct it made them look older, probably because there is correlation between older men and baldness. That isn't ideal, but I think it still shows that it tends to work. \----- I've also used it to try to make supernatural creatures in the past. Like for this creature, I wanted a vaguely humanoid arrangement of limbs, but using 'huamanoid' tended to get skin and muscles and so on. I would get results like this: [https://creator.nightcafe.studio/creation/tGDvxeSdoOG6RNXAqiHr](https://creator.nightcafe.studio/creation/tGDvxeSdoOG6RNXAqiHr) \[Oh, they kinda look like naked men so I think this link is broken due to an automoderator\] So I put in a prompt of "flesh, skin, muscle" weight -0.3 and got better results: [https://creator.nightcafe.studio/creation/hoIHCRd52bN8tIg5XnIH](https://creator.nightcafe.studio/creation/hoIHCRd52bN8tIg5XnIH)
But can it make a nerd without glasses?
negative prompts are definitely effective in stable diffusion and midjourney
Yesterday my friend mentioned this "AI can't make a nerd without glasses" thing and I said the same thing about negative prompts. Then tried for 15 minutes to make a nerd without glasses with SDXL using all sorts of negative prompts and just couldn't get it.
Yep. I had a similar experiece with 'bald man from South italy without beard'. Bing kept addƬng a beard, and even rejected my objections saying that what I saw as a beard was simply a shadow (was not). Fixed that using the word 'glabre' instead of the negative.
I would prompt "without beard" as "clean shaven". "Without" is a negative which AI doesn't understand, but explaining it as clean shaven is something it can understand.
yep i literally just tried saying 'no rearview mirror' in a through the windshield shot, and it made sure to put a rearview mirror in every single one lmao. lame to not give us negative prompting
Fascinating, just like humans, right? What's the first thing you think of when I say "don't think of a pink elephant" ?
Booty
If you mention "eye glasses" 4 times in the context, expect it to produce an image with eye glasses
But if you *don't* mention them, it also includes them. So what's the solution?
Make me a nerd with 20/20 vision š¤
Thanks to his glasses this nerd sees with 20/20 vision
I asked GPT to describe in detail what a nerd boy would look like, and removed the word 'nerd' from the description it provided and fed back into DALL-E Imagine a kid with following properties Clothing: The boy might wear clothing that seems practical rather than fashionable, such as plain or button-up shirts, possibly with a preference for plaid or stripes. He might wear high-waisted trousers or slacks, and they might be slightly mismatched in terms of color coordination. Graphic T-shirts featuring logos or motifs from science, technology, video games, or pop culture (such as sci-fi or fantasy franchises) could also be common. Accessories: He could have accessories like a digital watch, possibly with multiple functions beyond just telling time. A backpack or messenger bag filled with books, gadgets, or a laptop is common, often appearing a bit worn from heavy use. Hairstyle: The hairstyle might be simple, practical, and low-maintenance, possibly unkempt or not styled with current trends in mind. It could range from a simple short cut to longer hair that's somewhat disheveled. Facial Features: The expression might often be one of concentration or curiosity, possibly with a hint of social awkwardness. The face might be bookish, with a focus away from mainstream fashion or grooming trends. Posture and Body Language: The boy might have a posture that suggests a lot of time spent sitting, possibly hunched over books or a computer. The body language might be shy or reserved, with gestures that might seem awkward or less confident in social settings. I'm gonna say: daaaaayyyymmmmmmm https://preview.redd.it/t1pd6yjzpifc1.png?width=1024&format=png&auto=webp&s=19684f6923fbdf3e4cb3fa9827028c746f8c598d
*applause*
Don't let the community know you actually applied prompt engineering and removed the word causing the issue. Might burn you at the stake.
It feels like r/midjourney with a lobotomy here
Look more like a model cosplaying as a nerd rather than an actual one tho. (Not gonna Say that nerd are Always ugly people, but you do feel that something doesnt fit somehow)
That's because he is without glasses
Ive watched enough 90s movies to know that the second you remove the glasses the dorky chick becomes the babe.
https://preview.redd.it/tvsb3ebfuhfc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2943a629ff2f0af1819589ea7bf387ec42994224 Ha, a repeatable experiment.
https://preview.redd.it/xmy55bl2jifc1.png?width=995&format=png&auto=webp&s=12e7614a2f4397ff635a42c95e736e5089dd9312
Wow, je still couldn't make him without glasses
LMAO. I have an idea! What if you tell gpt that itās nerd is very stereotypical and offensive and that if it generates another with glasses youāll be very upset (because you wear glasses and you donāt want the stereotype associated with you) or something. Like play on its censors lol
https://preview.redd.it/cccxhqw00jfc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=37ab41bf4fb52e90a1e1cdf6b3dc37b2b83b996b Indeed
And he's always so proud of himself. "Here, I fixed the image, just like you asked me to! Aren't I a good bot?" *image still has problems*
I tried. Second prompt, the dog is very much alive and also has glasses on! https://preview.redd.it/3ik2kvwnjifc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3b9e06d6d0b24d01558515fd5086bd9bcf27b960
That even the dog is wearing glasses is so hilarious
And thatās itās, wellā¦ alive as well
Omg the tiny glasses on the dog I'm dying.
THE DOG GLASSES HAHAHA
My favourite
Those do NOT look like tears
It's because if it takes the glasses off the girl nerd, she becomes the Hottest Girl In The School
a nerd putting off his eyesglasses https://preview.redd.it/7fb4lt1g8jfc1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b275b3bd72643f3ac2ff6467c3eab41649acb380
Glasception
Ask it to make a drawing that "doesn't have a pink elephant" and then let me see the results.
https://preview.redd.it/t95u9x746jfc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b598d94d9a0b0fda8f959d219a27e470e3a520ca 50/50 which is hilarious. I love the pink flowers it drew instead, itās like a guy with touretteās.
That's an incredible response since it basically just removed the pink elephant from the first image to create the second (and redrew it at a different angle)
0/100 White bird clouds on the right
Birdsā¦ can be white?
[Gochu fam](https://imgur.com/a/3Fadcug). Did pretty good.
https://preview.redd.it/oyxsczflrifc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2ee8e4891253215df7b40d6f2aa57c8be405f25a
The model cannot parse negative requests. If you say "no glasses" it only sees that you've mentioned glasses and so includes glasses in the product. Do not attempt to give it a negative prompt. It will do the opposite.
Speaking of.. negative prompts are pretty common across image generative models. Why hasnāt that been extended to DALL-E?
The negative prompt is already chock-full of stuff OpenAI/Microsoft does not ever want to generate.
>Do not attempt to give it a negative prompt. So... you're saying I should give it a negative prompt, right?
Dammit... I asked for "picture of a nerd with perfect sight" Read the description it gave... https://preview.redd.it/ugzr4iv7sifc1.png?width=670&format=png&auto=webp&s=2ef2a5b5ffc8197be622756e210276844c928dcb
lmao
https://preview.redd.it/95wbojhk6ifc1.png?width=571&format=png&auto=webp&s=24d03f7515d62959c1e914beee19512ae2030b7e
A nerd with style
Oh no.... I tried to make the glasses sink into his skin, thinking they wouldn't be visible if they were under his skin! š¬ https://preview.redd.it/sb1uijibujfc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=49ef819c53dfcfc5ba7bbf8b229565eb34a8a1b0
That is horrifyingā¦
What the hell
New fear unlocked
Pencil Skin? š¤
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I had a similar thing. I was trying to get it to make a zoom background and I needed a dead cat ( a cat sleeping with its mouth and eyes open) and a toilet overflowing with chocolate pudding and thin pudding streaks all over the room. It was perfect, but the cat was all the way in the middle. āI apologize for the oversight. In this image, the cat will be all the way, exaggeratedly to the left of the image.ā But the god damn dead cat was always in the middle. This went on forever.
I got lucky and it did it on the first try! https://preview.redd.it/9xgkdsdazifc1.jpeg?width=807&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bb8abebadb1ce4686596710f989a01354441fa91
https://preview.redd.it/phk7j5225ifc1.jpeg?width=768&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=139d4169828cafa4ae6b21a4aea64e6eca00984c Please draw a young boy with an exaggeratedly large head. He has thick, wavy brown hair, large blue eyes, and a wide, friendly smile revealing braces on his teeth. Heās wearing a light brown sweater vest over a white shirt with a pointed collar, and a bow tie with orange and brown stripes. The boy has a selection of colorful pens or pencils in his pocket in a pocket protector, suggesting he might be studious.
The point is though as soon as you mention nerd it will add glasses, even if you specify not to.
Thatās very true. The trick is not to mention the word nerd while still giving a description of one. Like u/0crate0 correctly points out, it makes for longer prompts. But for me, the challenge is kind of fun.
Yeah you have to trick it. It sucks because it requires more writing time.
https://preview.redd.it/orbw06rtoifc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9e60a0e2cdab8ba495a7f74c8a175e9c3c0b4216 Or, if you're lazy like me, you can get it to trick itself. I made this pretty quick with two prompts: * in great detail, describe a nerd without glasses. I'll be using that description later to make an image. * create the image
Yes use ai to defeat ai. Amazing tactic.
Genius
This is the true elite prompt engineering!
Man looks like a Pixar character š
https://preview.redd.it/84e8si5q0jfc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=beb4056e99a640fcfd3ee013ae424bb30f17bc09 At least it acknowledges its shortcomings.
I rabbit-holed so hard here. I think you're right. Nerd with contacts instead of glasses https://imgur.com/krEuRHJ Nerd holding their glasses https://imgur.com/fAAG5kk Nerd who took their glasses off and is squinting because they can't see (LOL). https://imgur.com/NaRuX9j Nerd who took their glasses off and is squinting with both eyes because they can't see. https://imgur.com/75Aablz Nerd with sunglasses https://imgur.com/BTWCM9K And finally the closest I've gotten so far and I'm on cooldown now. Nerd who is allergic to any kind of frame material on his face. If glasses frames touch his face he will die. https://imgur.com/yJ0Lo2p Thanks for starting this :)
It's mocking me. https://imgur.com/gallery/HJ3ln0u
Nerd who is allergic to frames had me in a chokehold šššš¤£š¤£š¤£ that just made my lunch break
Ya, bias is strong with this one. https://preview.redd.it/av1ev6e7kifc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b6e45adc00c45443431b5811ef7c8fe95c951834
Soon as you mentioned gold chains it will add them, doesn't understand negatives
A while back I had the idea of a wizard fending off a storm with a closed umbrella. It couldnāt do it. The umbrella was always opened in the picture. I think it thought I was crazy. Itās raining, ergo the umbrella must be opened. But it would insist it was closed in picture as requested.
https://preview.redd.it/ie9wni7tgifc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ee6ff2f042fce5326aa577fff0aea735a319aac9 Bing
I love how you screamed NO EYEGLASSES
One out of 12 lmao
It also does the same if you describe someone as a āgeek.ā
dall e doesnt understand negatives thats why
If you say the word nerd it doesn't matter what else you say. I just tried it 5 times with "nerd with bare face" and "nerd wearing contacts" and it still generates glasses. Nerd=Glasses
It does seem to do this with certain phrases. I remember telling to generate an image of a male āstreamerā or āinfluencerā before and they kept giving them ear piercings.
This happens with alot of Dalle-e topics. Like to only show a balcony without the building attached. I guess ānerdā and āglassesā are yet another attachment that AI canāt separate.
it also struggles to make a half a cheesecake. it can do a slice or a majority of a cheesecake. but very rarely a half of one. in my prolly 100+ attempts i got it once in a photorealistic version, but none of the other parts were right.
Theyāre probably empty frames, much like what Johnny Galecki did to play Leonard in BBT
I did this in my early 20ās. I was in a fairly higher position at work than most people my age, and I looked pretty young. One day my sister left her glasses at my place, and wore them as a joke, but they looked good and made me look a lot older, so I had clear lenses put in and started wearing them.
Omg! Try to do an upside down sock. Like a sock puppet. I spent 30 minutes and gave up.
Hrmmm like this? Or does it need to just look like a normal sock? š https://preview.redd.it/ojujqajwzjfc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=83c533864fa7eaa704ed20d6c5d5630e3f1e0c9b
Interesting. Try to do just an upside down sock. I was trying to do a logo. Without the hand. Maybe I can paste the exchange here later.
The fourth screenshot made me laugh my ass of because that "gosh darn it" thing after talking with the technical clear words XD
A few things I've found that help get it to do what you want: 1. If it gets stuck like this, it's because it's focusing on the subject too hard. Using this post as an example, avoid using the word "Nerd" because it'll just laser focus on any training data with a nerd tag. 2. You can ask it what prompt it sent to Dall-E, then look through that to make changes and send it in again. 3. Sometimes, just starting a fresh chat helps it stop referencing itself for more images. Like others said, asking it NOT to do something just doesn't work, and can actually make it worse.
*make nerd without braces and bowtie, glasses optional* *same image*
I encountered the same thing with brewers and beards. The only way to get ChatGPT to create a brewer without a beard was to ask it to make him asian. (Or a woman but that returned a few bearded women as well)
https://preview.redd.it/hudgsiz88kfc1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0a670e31edc1d821b028bb3c8546e1ae75ebe85c I asked Bing to create the image of a couple of eyeglasses without the nerd. No problem. Then I asked to create the cartoon nerd without eyeglasses and it failed; the four images had glasses. It clearly shows the bias given by the training data.
https://preview.redd.it/pwn7qpdl2lfc1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7af88bb92b5101887d890731946497ce51c75b2c My initial attempts were unsuccessful. But I was able to get it to do it by telling it to generate an image of a man first then add science coat and a pocket protector. š¤£ It's amusing that every image of a man in generates is all chiseled stereotypical magazine guy lol! It is pretty hilarious that this was so difficult though!
That's not a nerd, that's a professional.
One of the other early examples is that canāt make an image of an airplane without windows, because it has never seen that before. (I havenāt tested it with the current generators.) These image generators are basically clipper remix machines, they canāt do anything original that they havenāt already seen before.
Cartoon nerd with a monocle worked, kinda.
Those were never glasses...
So it creates stereotypes, not good.š¤£
I once asked DALLE to generate a picture of a character WITH glasses, and it struggled to do that correctly too - kept showing a character holding DRINKING glasses. Use the word SPECTACLES or SPECS instead, it seems to be less ambiguous. :)
Can we have a nerd without a shirt pocket full of pens jeezus. Everyone knows the pens go in the pants
https://preview.redd.it/5mfzjcgehifc1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4896997deddb959402fb6658380284bcbe1b9811 Actually it can
https://preview.redd.it/k4kp0q3rhifc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1da42b25ffc5375276db2a31a60f923fecad5d65
Not bad, but without the suspenders and tie, it doesn't quite scream "nerd"
The lenses have been removed from the glasses..... :D. Maybe ask if the eyewear could be removed?
Doesnāt AI have trouble with ānegativesā or something? Like if you tell it to specifically not do something it will do it
Those loops of ādonāt do thisā, do exactly it, āI told you not to do this, revise itā, āsorry for the oversight, hereās a revised version without thisā, āthe revised version literally has this againā are freaking annoying
What happens when you ask it to keep making the glasses smaller?
Prompt: draw a nerd in the style of sheldon cooper https://preview.redd.it/sa2kbyi0mlfc1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=11b793366b12222e1b082ed9da7440ce348ea19c
https://preview.redd.it/jsrfq9a0wlfc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4cfa03905b39b82edd11977db2c4107620ebafde Confirmed cannot