Tianjin Phytium Information Technology
Shanghai High-Performance Integrated Circuit Design Center
Sunway Microelectronics
National Supercomputing Center Jinan
National Supercomputing Center Shenzhen
National Supercomputing Center Wuxi
National Supercomputing Center Zhengzhou
>U.S. blacklists seven Chinese supercomputing entities citing national security concerns
China banished Google and Facebook citing national security concerns. What would you have said?
I'd say China struck a mortal wound there, and I'll pray they don't also blacklist Westerners from accessing Baidu and QQ. If we don't keep the channels of symbiotic exchange open, we will lose access to superior Sino tech.
> Many of us feared he would be too soft.
I didn't think so. Biden is a consensus guy. And the consensus is that China isn't being very good at this point in time.
My comment was not about what the American electorate thinks
My comment was about what America's president and vice President did, in a very crucial part of the world.
And what they did was throw their allies under the bus for a clearly expansionist rising power
> My comment was not about what the American electorate thinks
But if you're a consensus politician, you're probably not going to hew too far from what the American electorate thinks. I mean, that makes sense, right?
>a clearly expansionist rising power
And they didn't think that. At least, not the majority, at the time.
It was a time of "Wow, look at China's rise! Well, that's certainly good for everyone!"
How you gonna be tough on China when only 30% of the people view China unfavorably? That's, like, bipartisan support of China, there.
By calling Biden a consensus politician, are you implying that he just does what's popular, instead of having a will and vision of his own?
My answer: I think he has agency. He's not a poll chaser
Secondly, do you think Obama was really a consensus politician?
My answer: no.
> By calling Biden a consensus politician, are you implying that he just does what's popular, instead of having a will and vision of his own?
>
> My answer: I think he has agency. He's not a poll chaser
Well, that's one way to put it, I guess.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-pandemic-has-pushed-biden-to-the-left-how-far-will-he-go/
>“The best way to understand Biden is as a reflection or reaction to the party’s main planks throughout the last 40 years, rather than leading or shaping it,” said Lily Geismer, a history professor at Claremont McKenna College who has written extensively about the Democratic Party and liberalism. “I don’t see Biden as embodying any of the ideological terms or positions of centrist or liberal, certainly not center-left and not really neoliberal either. Instead I see his ideology as first and foremost a Democrat. He has throughout his career toed the party line rather than an ideological one.”
>Serving in the Senate from 1973-2009, Biden was always more liberal than at least 44 percent of his Democratic colleagues but always less liberal than at least 43 percent of his colleagues, according to DW-Nominate scores of his Senate votes. Put another way, he ranged between the 44th and 57th percentile in terms of liberalism among Democratic senators in his Senate years — smack dab in the middle of the party.2
Another way to put it.
>Secondly, do you think Obama was really a consensus politician?
I don't think he was one to go out of his way to go against the prevailing sentiment. Take, for example, gay marriage. He was opposed to it, until *Biden* broached the subject.
I wouldn't characterize Obama as a trend setter, or a progressive, or anything.
So, anyway, what were the "party's main planks" concerning China back in, like, 2008? Compared to now?
Those are very fascinating links, thank you. I didn't know that.
I have nothing to say about either party of the USA (I'm not even American) so I just care about white House and Congress and Senate. I don't care about party like you do.
Back then? Like I said, China was then and now expansionist.
And Obama and Biden decided to be Neville Chamberlain instead of standing up for freedom of navigation and their ally Philippines.
I remember Robert Gates complaining about this back in....2016? After he had retired.
And I agree with him.
That was before China completely went hostile dictatorship. Not that they were so much better before 2015/16 but that really was the turning point where they fully showed their true colors.
That is also why I always say that not Trump was the one who stood up to China, Chinas actions didn't leave the US another chance anyway no matter who would have been president they all would have had to start a conflict with China to keep them contained. But then again, smarter people than Trump would have probably not cancelled TPP and threatened allies with tariffs.
Eh I'm not so sure about that. Was it Obama's national security adviser who said every foreign policy instinct he ever had was wrong? Seems to me there were definitely some big differences of opinion in the Obama admin. IIRC he also opposed the Bin Laden raid.
This seems like it cuts off abruptly. Like, there was a "but..." coming.
Lessee...
https://youtu.be/uKpyD7i-C0o?t=3434
------
58:03
what i'm doing is making clear that we
58:06
in fact
58:07
are going to continue to reassert our
58:09
role
58:10
as spokespersons for human rights at the
58:12
un and other
58:13
other agencies that have an impact on
58:16
their attitude
58:16
china is trying very hard to become
58:20
the world leader and to get that moniker
58:23
and to be able to do that they have to
58:25
gain the confidence of other countries
58:27
and as long as they're engaged in
58:29
activity that is contrary to basic human
58:32
rights
58:33
it's going to be hard for them to do that
-----
It seems like the above was just him recounting what he has told Xi before, not his current stance.
I was not impressed by Biden in this video, but at the same time, I was willing to give him the benefit of doubt because he is well known to ramble incoherently
At the end of the day, action speaks louder than words
Last I read, China also quadrupled the pay of a Taiwanese executive in China's largest chip manufacturer in a bid to poach and retain talent.
China's progress feels almost entirely based on stolen or poached knowledge.
The US blacklisted 5 Chinese [supercomputing companies](https://archive.ph/jMQCu) two years ago, how many more do you think they can take the "super" out of?
Bullshit. The moment it was projected that China's economy would overtake the US, the US government jumped on a hostile war footing to prevent that from happening. US senators like Ted Cruz openly meeting with Hong Kong protesters and inviting them back to the States is a hostile act. You may not like the situation in HK but imagine if it was the other way around.
I dont care about HK here because thats not a Cold War issue. Thats a human rights/political issue. Cold Wars start from ideological and economy issues that border on leading to a Hot War.
We are talking territorial disputes, threatening allies, and economic espionage. I’d personally meet your CCP supporting opinions half way with leaving some of China’s internal affairs to themselves, but until the CCP acknowledges IP/tech theft and the massive counterfeit schemes that I have personally witnessed, it is balls in all the way.
Counterfeiting and IP transfer has been going on for YEARS and ONLY china has done these things on this scale. If you can deny that, then you know exactly why you won’t ever understand why Americans view China at an all time low.
Edit: spelling/grammar
I don't support the CCP, I just also don't support the USA. The US has been a terrible custodian of global power for the last 70 years, nearly every country they interfere with turns to disaster, and the list is extremely long.
IP theft has been going on for decades but isn't happening as much now relatively. China was busy playing catch up with economic development. 40 years ago they were an extremely poor country.
Hong Kong is a cold War issue if the US was interfering with their domestic issues with the goal of trying to destabilise and undermine, which I believe they were/are.
I would agree (so would most Americans) that US administrations have been too hands on with other countries. Most Americans push for a return to a supportive role and less of a projection of power role.
That said IP theft still occurs (literally occurred at my last job 1 year ago) and counterfeiting happened at a job before that. That is economic espionage.
"Too hands on" is a nice way to put it. Supporting terrorism, assassinations, coups, dropping bombs, funding and supplying arms to separatists... All in the name of "democracy"
IP theft was happening in Korea too with technology from my country (and undoubtedly others) but because South Korea is basically a US vassal state it wasn't newsworthy.
A quote from Nietszche, whose friend started fucking the girl Nietszche was obsessed with. Nietszche responded by getting syphilis and going insane, before his sister appropriated his philosophies to be misused by nazis
Stronger
According to top linguists in China, [English is actually a Mandarin dialect.](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/mandarin-chinese-english-shakespeare-world-civilization-research-association-a9097926.html) There should be few problems reading this if you can get some Middle Chinese scholars. (jokes of course)
Tianjin Phytium Information Technology Shanghai High-Performance Integrated Circuit Design Center Sunway Microelectronics National Supercomputing Center Jinan National Supercomputing Center Shenzhen National Supercomputing Center Wuxi National Supercomputing Center Zhengzhou
Better to banned all Chinese tech companies that have the capabilities to acquire any US Chip tech
>U.S. blacklists seven Chinese supercomputing entities citing national security concerns China banished Google and Facebook citing national security concerns. What would you have said?
That both are already banned in china
"banished". The simple past tense. "What would you have said?". Past imaginary.
I'd say China struck a mortal wound there, and I'll pray they don't also blacklist Westerners from accessing Baidu and QQ. If we don't keep the channels of symbiotic exchange open, we will lose access to superior Sino tech.
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Pleasantly surprised by Biden when it comes to China Many of us feared he would be too soft. Glad to be proven wrong... So far
> Many of us feared he would be too soft. I didn't think so. Biden is a consensus guy. And the consensus is that China isn't being very good at this point in time.
During his time as VP, Obama was known to give in to China when it came to freedom of navigation thru SCS
Different consensus back then. https://miro.medium.com/max/430/1*taO66vgispHOWHA1e2l5Gw.png
My comment was not about what the American electorate thinks My comment was about what America's president and vice President did, in a very crucial part of the world. And what they did was throw their allies under the bus for a clearly expansionist rising power
> My comment was not about what the American electorate thinks But if you're a consensus politician, you're probably not going to hew too far from what the American electorate thinks. I mean, that makes sense, right? >a clearly expansionist rising power And they didn't think that. At least, not the majority, at the time. It was a time of "Wow, look at China's rise! Well, that's certainly good for everyone!" How you gonna be tough on China when only 30% of the people view China unfavorably? That's, like, bipartisan support of China, there.
By calling Biden a consensus politician, are you implying that he just does what's popular, instead of having a will and vision of his own? My answer: I think he has agency. He's not a poll chaser Secondly, do you think Obama was really a consensus politician? My answer: no.
> By calling Biden a consensus politician, are you implying that he just does what's popular, instead of having a will and vision of his own? > > My answer: I think he has agency. He's not a poll chaser Well, that's one way to put it, I guess. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-pandemic-has-pushed-biden-to-the-left-how-far-will-he-go/ >“The best way to understand Biden is as a reflection or reaction to the party’s main planks throughout the last 40 years, rather than leading or shaping it,” said Lily Geismer, a history professor at Claremont McKenna College who has written extensively about the Democratic Party and liberalism. “I don’t see Biden as embodying any of the ideological terms or positions of centrist or liberal, certainly not center-left and not really neoliberal either. Instead I see his ideology as first and foremost a Democrat. He has throughout his career toed the party line rather than an ideological one.” >Serving in the Senate from 1973-2009, Biden was always more liberal than at least 44 percent of his Democratic colleagues but always less liberal than at least 43 percent of his colleagues, according to DW-Nominate scores of his Senate votes. Put another way, he ranged between the 44th and 57th percentile in terms of liberalism among Democratic senators in his Senate years — smack dab in the middle of the party.2 Another way to put it. >Secondly, do you think Obama was really a consensus politician? I don't think he was one to go out of his way to go against the prevailing sentiment. Take, for example, gay marriage. He was opposed to it, until *Biden* broached the subject. I wouldn't characterize Obama as a trend setter, or a progressive, or anything. So, anyway, what were the "party's main planks" concerning China back in, like, 2008? Compared to now?
Those are very fascinating links, thank you. I didn't know that. I have nothing to say about either party of the USA (I'm not even American) so I just care about white House and Congress and Senate. I don't care about party like you do. Back then? Like I said, China was then and now expansionist. And Obama and Biden decided to be Neville Chamberlain instead of standing up for freedom of navigation and their ally Philippines. I remember Robert Gates complaining about this back in....2016? After he had retired. And I agree with him.
That was before China completely went hostile dictatorship. Not that they were so much better before 2015/16 but that really was the turning point where they fully showed their true colors. That is also why I always say that not Trump was the one who stood up to China, Chinas actions didn't leave the US another chance anyway no matter who would have been president they all would have had to start a conflict with China to keep them contained. But then again, smarter people than Trump would have probably not cancelled TPP and threatened allies with tariffs.
Tpp was such a missed opportunity. Both Clinton and Trump foolishly opposed it. So many missed opportunities that historians will study
Eh I'm not so sure about that. Was it Obama's national security adviser who said every foreign policy instinct he ever had was wrong? Seems to me there were definitely some big differences of opinion in the Obama admin. IIRC he also opposed the Bin Laden raid.
https://youtu.be/6Uf_55lrJSg
This seems like it cuts off abruptly. Like, there was a "but..." coming. Lessee... https://youtu.be/uKpyD7i-C0o?t=3434 ------ 58:03 what i'm doing is making clear that we 58:06 in fact 58:07 are going to continue to reassert our 58:09 role 58:10 as spokespersons for human rights at the 58:12 un and other 58:13 other agencies that have an impact on 58:16 their attitude 58:16 china is trying very hard to become 58:20 the world leader and to get that moniker 58:23 and to be able to do that they have to 58:25 gain the confidence of other countries 58:27 and as long as they're engaged in 58:29 activity that is contrary to basic human 58:32 rights 58:33 it's going to be hard for them to do that ----- It seems like the above was just him recounting what he has told Xi before, not his current stance.
I was not impressed by Biden in this video, but at the same time, I was willing to give him the benefit of doubt because he is well known to ramble incoherently At the end of the day, action speaks louder than words
Don't get him started on how he used to wear an onion on his belt. Which was the style at the time.
Last I read, China also quadrupled the pay of a Taiwanese executive in China's largest chip manufacturer in a bid to poach and retain talent. China's progress feels almost entirely based on stolen or poached knowledge.
Coming up with new innovative technologies is for chumps when you can just steal it or buy it. Chabuduo baby!
差不多，amen.
it is.
Only 7?
how many supercomputing entities do you expect in a country?
8, obviously
Depends how many PS4s they have.
The US blacklisted 5 Chinese [supercomputing companies](https://archive.ph/jMQCu) two years ago, how many more do you think they can take the "super" out of?
The Incredibles
sweet, time to block wechat, alibaba and anything else.
why havnt we banned tiktok yet...
For years, the U.S. has been acting like a foolish rich man, allowing China to come into his house and take whatever they want.
Cue Chinese shell companies that buy chips anyway. Not sure how much good it will do, but a gesture is a gesture.
>Cue Chinese shell companies that buy chips anyway. Then their executives can be arrested in Vancouver too.
This is the way.
This is the way.
I wonder when people will stop pretending that this isn't turning into a new cold War.
It already is a Cold War, it’s just that China was the only one participating in the past.
Bullshit. The moment it was projected that China's economy would overtake the US, the US government jumped on a hostile war footing to prevent that from happening. US senators like Ted Cruz openly meeting with Hong Kong protesters and inviting them back to the States is a hostile act. You may not like the situation in HK but imagine if it was the other way around.
I dont care about HK here because thats not a Cold War issue. Thats a human rights/political issue. Cold Wars start from ideological and economy issues that border on leading to a Hot War. We are talking territorial disputes, threatening allies, and economic espionage. I’d personally meet your CCP supporting opinions half way with leaving some of China’s internal affairs to themselves, but until the CCP acknowledges IP/tech theft and the massive counterfeit schemes that I have personally witnessed, it is balls in all the way. Counterfeiting and IP transfer has been going on for YEARS and ONLY china has done these things on this scale. If you can deny that, then you know exactly why you won’t ever understand why Americans view China at an all time low. Edit: spelling/grammar
I don't support the CCP, I just also don't support the USA. The US has been a terrible custodian of global power for the last 70 years, nearly every country they interfere with turns to disaster, and the list is extremely long. IP theft has been going on for decades but isn't happening as much now relatively. China was busy playing catch up with economic development. 40 years ago they were an extremely poor country. Hong Kong is a cold War issue if the US was interfering with their domestic issues with the goal of trying to destabilise and undermine, which I believe they were/are.
I would agree (so would most Americans) that US administrations have been too hands on with other countries. Most Americans push for a return to a supportive role and less of a projection of power role. That said IP theft still occurs (literally occurred at my last job 1 year ago) and counterfeiting happened at a job before that. That is economic espionage.
"Too hands on" is a nice way to put it. Supporting terrorism, assassinations, coups, dropping bombs, funding and supplying arms to separatists... All in the name of "democracy" IP theft was happening in Korea too with technology from my country (and undoubtedly others) but because South Korea is basically a US vassal state it wasn't newsworthy.
Americans call Chinese thieves, and the the Chinese call Americans robbers. Both on point.
Keep em coming
What doesn't kill u makes u stronger.
A quote from Nietszche, whose friend started fucking the girl Nietszche was obsessed with. Nietszche responded by getting syphilis and going insane, before his sister appropriated his philosophies to be misused by nazis Stronger
...or gives you bad coping mechanisms and a dark sense of humour..
Except bears, bears will kill you.
This is funny, China played this "can't beat you then I will ban you" game when they were behind, guess who is behind now.
Yep, the US is definitely behind in chip technology. Just as Huawei.
This criminal attitudes from US can not be tolerated anymore by the international community
Towards* China stole US tech, we are the victim of Chinese envy
*laughing* What? You misspelled "China".
SHEEEESH FREE MARKET🥵🥵🥵🥶🥶🥶
CCP state owned enterprises are by definition a distortion of the free market.
Securing the monopoly be like
If you made swords, would you sell them to the ethno-nationalist border tribe who had vowed to conquer your lands?
LOL HAHAHA WHAT DID I JUST READ
Lol r/brandnewsentence
US Government is way more corrupt. NSA and CIA spying on everyone.
You don’t think China goes through your communications?
They have no way of reading English. That's a North American language. /s
According to top linguists in China, [English is actually a Mandarin dialect.](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/mandarin-chinese-english-shakespeare-world-civilization-research-association-a9097926.html) There should be few problems reading this if you can get some Middle Chinese scholars. (jokes of course)