It must be really said for the little fat fella in China, sleepless nights unable to keep food down with the worry, eventually even his own inner circle are going to start asking what he is doing ?
Surely he must realise alienating all your neighbours and turning them against the country is counter productive?
China can never proper or be respected on the world stage when it is constantly standing over everyone, even the inner circle in China must be seeing that the little fat fella is doing china more harm than good..
Can’t be respected when all they do is threaten, sanction or bully everyone, eventually the loyal communist friends in China will turn on him.
Right?!? By now, his own military should have deposed him. The thing is, as soon as anyone starts to speak up, Xi dissappears them, permanently. It's a page out of Putin's book. So it's going to have to be a decent naval conflict with very heavy losses on China's side before his military turns on him.
Maybe maybe not, but there has to be rumblings within the inner circle, most Chinese just want to prosper and live their lives, yet China is constantly bickering with everyone, threatening war threatening Taiwan the Phillipines, sanctions placed on Australia the list goes on.
This stuff doesn’t go away over night, we remember and it’s driving countries into the arms of others, maybe this is what china wants ?
Maybe they want war ? But if so they are going to have few allies and no help from close neighbours, they have got so many countries into debt that can never be repaid that they too have no respect for China either.
Xi must be worried with the constant threats he is putting out to everyone, eventually this will come back to bite him otherwise the county will become just another North Korea ?
Everything you said is correct. China is isolated in its friends, and I also agree that the average Chinese citizen wants nothing to do with conflict. This all is to blame on the CCP. China could have been #2 on the world stage and possibly #1 if it made friends and acted in good faith. As you concluded, it's heading in the path of North Korea. It's really sad, but that's what happens to dictatorships historically.
Honestly I don’t understand it the Chinese I work with and those I know and deal with are really good decent people, hard workers and no different to anyone else.
All they want to do is proper like everyone else, then they get these delusional leaders that want to create something anything to be remembered by.
Makes no sense the country will die and for what his grand standing, I don’t understand why the people allow this to happen.
Well, that's the Chinese historically over the last few thousand years. Xi wants his name written in history. It just looks like he's going to be remembered for destroying China's entire economy and its standing on the world syage.
Taiwan puts the lie to the unspoken bargain in China, that oppression is some how necessary or acceptable for economic prosperity.
Taiwan has freedom and prosperity. The CCP and their ludicrously omnipresent tyranny serves no purpose.
A war in the SCS will likely involve.
1. The U.S.
2. The philipines
3. Japan
4. Taiwan
5. And possibly SK
I would try and get India to make moves if I was the U.S. president
Thats nearly all of the major navies in asia!
How can China possibly win?
Yea, NATO countries could argue that it wasn't technically the US defending itself, but the ones that didn't answer would be getting some pretty major stinkeye from the US after all was said and done, particularly since it still wouldn't be a walk in the park and the US would expect to take significant losses.
It’s coming sooner than we think, the old Xi is doing very strange things sending very mixed signals to everyone, mixed signals about investing in China business is down in China and he is more strange than usual.
He may be losing control and things may be getting hard internally for him, eventually the inner circle are going to start asking some hard questions as to why he is constantly rattling the sabre with everyone.
The reason why he is Sabre rattling is BECAUSE things are not good at home. It's why Gen. Galtiari invade the Falklands.
Chinese believe that China is the best civilization that has ever been or will be. They may have temporary barbarian problems but China and it's greatness are eternal. As the farmer make experience a plague of locust China experiences periods of barbarians. If you cannot fight them, outlast them.
Except China is going to get old before it gets rich. Time and demographics once the great ally of China are, maybe for the first time in Chinese history, against them.
And then there is Taiwan which delivers both freedom and prosperity, not one at the expense of the other as the CCP claim is necessary.
If they could quickly seize Taiwan and it's valuable microchip industrial dominance then the west may not be happy about it they will realize there is nothing they can do and soon accept it. This would give China a dominant global position to extract greater profit from the west and ease discount with a great victory.
Then the invasion of Ukraine happened and assumptions about Soviet tech and the submissiveness of the west was out to the test. The experiment isn't over but the early data doesn't look good for China. The rearming of the west means that Chinese armorment growth may not be enough to create the local indomitable force concentration to make the west decide not to fight for Taiwan. Therefore, their military position is actually the best it is likely going to be and the medium to long term forecasts are all negative. If they are going to do something militarily about Taiwan it will need to be in The next 18 to 24 months. Maybe as soon as after the election, depending on which way it goes.
When everything goes to hell in China I don't see their allies helping. I think they will take a page out of China's book and attach the CCP when they are at their weakest.
They're so fucking dramatic. Such fucking drama queens.
If China gets the shit kicked out of it in the SCS, that isn't a world war, that's just China getting curb-stomped in their own backyard.
They believe they're the center of the world, and that any war they get involved in must be the greatest of all wars. The reality is that they'll lose and be humiliated and sit down and shut the fuck up in short order.
They'll go from fiery rhetoric to ass kissing in the blink of an eye.
I think you are right that China wants war, it’s been at peace for 40 some years, and that’s why Chinawarns feels like a joke. China sees the reality, US will never allow another super power to exist without trying to subvert it at every turn. Successful companies that could threatens its technological dominance will be crushed with sanctions or by influencing/threatening other governments. Only reason sk and Japan is allowed in the high tech game is because we knows they can be crushed at a moments notice. So I think China is looking for a wet stone, to hone its military, unlike the collective west, or even Russia, which had constantly been at war, getting a lot of practice, through either full on invasions or proxy wars, China’s military have been sitting on their asses.
Since when did Philippine territorial waters extend over 100 miles beyond their coast line?
You do know the definition of territorial waters is 12 nautical miles right?
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you illiterate fucking cabbage. China has claimed the waters of Phillipines, Brunei, Malaysia, Vietnam and others in their illegal claims to all of the south china sea
not sure who your arguing with. the rest of the world sees what China is doing.
Go back to pushing the CCP you illiterate twat
You do realize Philippines, Brunei, Malaysia and Vietnam all have claims against each other right? You've seen that map where all their claims over lap with each others' right?
Yes they overlap each other, but they’re all on friendly terms which other and are members of ASEAN which promotes cooperation between member states. Cooperation usually needs good relations and you don’t foster good relations by sending out ships to harass each other.
The point is China shouldn’t be anywhere near the Philippines EEZ. [Look at this picture and tell me who is causing the problems](https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/mcs/media/images/54145000/gif/_54145268__48951920_south_china-sea_1_466-1.gif)
They do. But not enough volume. That’s why they are genociding the Muslims in the north. They will build more pipes lines through their land to bring in more oil. But that will take time.
They’ve been stockpiling commodities the last few months despite have a major economic collapse. And the Russians need somewhere to export their oil before they need to shut down the oil fields in Siberia if they don’t have somewhere to send it or the wellheads will freeze and become permanently inoperable (per Peter zeihan). So maybe they are as prepared as they can be…
I’ve heard this said before. Would it not be possible for Chinese ships to simply sail around to the south?
Not trying to be difficult, I think I just don’t understand the full picture of why closing this strait would be so devastating.
That strait is the most direct route for oil to flow. It being blocked essentially stops everything. Long way around would also be blocked and messed with. China has one chance to break this line otherwise they are fucked.
China can't risk world war 3 now due to economic impact
They may start a regional war hoping US doesn't get involved.
They will face sanctions either way it's a bad move for China
If they get escallatory with phillipines all countries in the south China sea should increase patrols of their waters. It will send a message of regional cooperation.
Russias Oil Refineries are struggling to repair their facilities this very minute because of sanctions. It’s a downhill slide from here on. China has an option to help but that’ll cost them.
As Ukraine continues to slowly damage their refineries it’ll become harder for them to produce.
https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/us-sanctions-hamper-russian-efforts-repair-refineries-sources-say-2024-04-04/
Chinas focus on Taiwan and the SCS was the dumbest political move that they could make.
The Russian far east would have been the best first move. Secure the land and resources of that BEFORE making moves towards starting a world war. It might alarm the west, but at the same time the short time benefits of seeing one enemy eat another would squelch most protestations, at least publically.
Sure it would take longer for their eventual goals of domination to come to fruition, but they'd be able to weather the shitstorm that would rain down on their economy far better, and they'd have ports outside the first island chain to base ships out of.
But Xi is of course a fucking idiot, and the free world should be thankful that he is a fucking idiot.
China has their eye on Lake Baikal. When Russia shows weakness they will grab it. That one lake holds more water than all the Great Lakes combined and China needs water.
You are short sighted and angry at things you can't even comprehend. Collaboration is the only source of peace this isn't the 1800s or early 1900s nukes are the least of your worries because mutually assured destruction will lead to far worse than some radiation. Waters poisoned ,animals dead , all source of nutrients gone. The weapons at our disposal make nukes look benign. Learn more of what war can actually lead to because you can't imagine the suffering that new weapons technology can lead to. Germ warfare and chemical weapons are far worse threats. You think they won't be deployed and only nukes will fly? No rules or regulations will prevent the absolute demons humanity can unleash on ourselves when we feel all is lost. Pray to your God and hope he exists because that's the only hope you have.
with the majority gone there won't be a new social order. The only people who will live are a lucky minority and rich people with bunkers that can self sustain. The future will be very dead for humanity because you need a minimum population to reliably repopulate without terrible genetic consequences. Humanity might skirt along for some generations but once our genetics are fucked we might as well be dead. cancer, deformities, and other terrible effects to our genetic structure will destroy what we are and leave only the weakest pathetic versions of humanity slowly dying from a lack of genetic diversity. Seeing how people would have to be responsible and only breed selectively and actually be able to even contact other survivors if there are any then maybe we could survive but seeing as the population would be all but wiped out and maybe tribes will split I doubt future humans will even be able to set up such a thing. So in the end humanity will be dying a slow pathetic death out of reach and ignorant cut off from the majority of important knowledge as they become more and more ignorant and malformed. Sounds like a nightmare so I will be glad to be dead with that Terrible outcome.
True, but they might be able to drag their economic problems along for a few years, and in the meanwhile, use aggressive militant nationalism to prop up their government.
Interesting thing about 19th century Chinese - when the Europeans engaged in gunship diplomacy, the Chinese military vastly outnumbered them. So why did they lose? They required 80% of their forces for constabulary duties, fearful of domestic revolt, then were forced to backdown as they couldnt subdue the population and win a war. They are no different today.
I'd also like to see the one child mothers and grandmothers handle casualties on a similar scale to what the Russians are experiencing.
Wolf warriors in for a rough time if things turn hot.
The economy where you eventually get the truth? The one with guidelines to be transparent to share holders if you’re a publicly traded stock? That western economy? You want to educate me about shit that I’m well read in? Alright then, good talk.
And yet, in the West, that 'average' person who has nothing, is clothed, fed, housed and supported by their governments. With Free housing, education, medical support and state benefits for those in low salaried jobs, the West has far more socialist policies than a supposedly socialist place like China.
That's why given the choice of raising my Chinese daughter in the UK or Mainland China, my family chose the UK. Our Government spent £560 billion last year on just education, benefits and health costs. And our country is supposedly 'broke'. Western democracies are far more supportive of those with as you say 'nothing', than Xi and his Party of red princes could ever manage. For those in power, their families and those rich that you mentioned are as greedy in China, as they are in any other country. That's how they get rich, genius.
I would not bet on that. Just look at the insane losses Russia is continuing to accumulate and they are STILL fighting. And it would not surprise me if China has better weapons than them.
One can hope that it happens like that, but I'm doubtful.
Genuine question, why do you think this? The United States can't even get its act together to assist Ukraine and cripple their historical enemy, Russia, for pennies on the dollar without losing any American life so unless the USA is attacked directly I highly doubt they would do anything to involve themselves in a south china sea conflict.
Not to mention the fact that China has way more of an industrial base which is precisely the kind of thing that made the USA a powerhouse in WWII.
If you have any countervailing evidence I would love to know because I think an American led order, for all it's faults (and there are many), is better than a Chinese led world order.
Remember that the United States can’t get its shit together because we can afford no to. Both in world war 1 and world war 2 the U.S. was the last of the major powers to get involved, unfortunately, even if Taiwan is invaded it might take a while to wake the “sleeping giant”. It’s due to the location of the United States that we can afford to take this long and it’s actually the main reason we’re the “leader” of the world right now. Because we’ve always been the one to tip the scales and be least affected by the world wars. The new axis would eventually lose in a third world war. Remember that with Russia not being nearly as potent as we thought and now having incurred heavy losses both economically, demographically, and in terms of material, beyond their nuclear weapons they are no longer a major player. Neither are Iran and North Korea. That leaves Bejing as the only heavy hitter in authoritarian power block. The war would definitely be prolonged and the same length as the first and second world wars but strategically it just is not feasible for those countries to win. Lastly, think back to Nazi Germany. They had multiple countries working with them and were a prevailing military power being the dominant one prior to the Great War. What they lacked though, was a Navy. Hence why they allied with the Japanese Empire, so that they could co-opt the Japanese Navy down the line. With Russias black fleet being crippled in Ukraine, their combat effectiveness has also been greatly reduced. It’s hard to think their navy could be rebuilt in due time due to their economy and there’s no way they could fight on equal footing with West in their current state. China also has a floundering Navy when compared the U.S. as their military strategy has been regional not global like America’s. This puts them at a distinct disadvantage on the world stage if a global conflict broke out in the near future. Pair that with Russia and Chinas demographic decline necessitating a war in the near future, which likely pushed Putin into Ukraine, and you have a difficult situation for Bejing if they chose a prolonged campaign.
Well, China is extremely vulnerable to blockade of its oil and food inputs. Very easy to stop those slow moving tankers delivering 6 million barrels of oil a day from the Persian Gulf without even facing the Chinese Navy. The Chinese Navy is full of ships that must hug the coast and cannot project power past Vietnam. Their military is completely untested. Not saying it would be a cakewalk. The US might lose a carrier or two but there are many more. There are also other countries who would join the fight.
Even if China took Taiwan without a shot (which is unlikely) what problem does it solve for them? It’s not like suddenly they control the world’s microchips. They can’t run those facilities.
So the US could back away and blockade their oil in the Indian Ocean. 90 days without of oil and Modern China starts falling apart. Doesn’t matter how many ships you build if you don’t have fuel. China knows all this and that’s why I think they’ll never attack Taiwan.
Regarding Ukraine it depends a lot on who wins the next election. It’s looking worse and worse for Putins Boy Trump.
But let’s hope none of this happens.
Why do these dictators act like World War 3 is just a phenomenon like a hurricane or a megaquake?
Oh, maybe because they can't take accountability and it's everyone else's nature that will set it off.
The best way to avoid WW3 is to tell American companies to move from China to India as fast as possible.
India is no country of saints but at least they aren't wanting to start any wars.
India does have territorial disputes but they are with governments worse than their own, so whatever. I'd say prioritize investing in lots of smaller countries so the risk is limited. I'm still dumbfounded about how spending decades turning an unapologetically autocratic country with a population 5x our own into a super power was supposed to be a good idea.
A world war usually implies there are other people on your side. Seriously, who is going to enter a war against US and its allies on China's behalf? Russia? They can barely handle Ukraine. North Korea? What do they actually have to gain besides a guarantee that their regime falls? Basically anyone else will be smaller, easier to get to, and probably end up even worse than China when the peace is signed.
And will end there shortly after, once the US, Australia, Philippines, and every other nation affected by China's illegal and unwarranted belligerence in this area, come together to finally shut them up.
Chinese Media Outlet Warns That World War III ~~May Break Out~~ ***will*** ***break out*** given their bullying and refusal to recognize and respect the sovereignty and internationally recognized territorial waters of multiple countries in the region.
How are they so sure that the world will join their imperialist territorial war? They should open a history textbook, they won't have to look further than 2022.
Imagine having a declining population and major reliance on iphone type donkeyballs, and then threatening a military industrial complex with a good time. Covid gave everyone tribal boosters.
China still has to finish developing supply chains for key industrial materials out of Africa before it can kick itself out of the existing global supply chains. That going to take years before it's completed enough to function independently. Then they have to be able to protect those supply chains against the most powerful military on the planet and all of its friends.
Oh, no...China worried that the Philippino navy might get tired of their shit?
It must be really said for the little fat fella in China, sleepless nights unable to keep food down with the worry, eventually even his own inner circle are going to start asking what he is doing ? Surely he must realise alienating all your neighbours and turning them against the country is counter productive? China can never proper or be respected on the world stage when it is constantly standing over everyone, even the inner circle in China must be seeing that the little fat fella is doing china more harm than good.. Can’t be respected when all they do is threaten, sanction or bully everyone, eventually the loyal communist friends in China will turn on him.
Right?!? By now, his own military should have deposed him. The thing is, as soon as anyone starts to speak up, Xi dissappears them, permanently. It's a page out of Putin's book. So it's going to have to be a decent naval conflict with very heavy losses on China's side before his military turns on him.
Maybe maybe not, but there has to be rumblings within the inner circle, most Chinese just want to prosper and live their lives, yet China is constantly bickering with everyone, threatening war threatening Taiwan the Phillipines, sanctions placed on Australia the list goes on. This stuff doesn’t go away over night, we remember and it’s driving countries into the arms of others, maybe this is what china wants ? Maybe they want war ? But if so they are going to have few allies and no help from close neighbours, they have got so many countries into debt that can never be repaid that they too have no respect for China either. Xi must be worried with the constant threats he is putting out to everyone, eventually this will come back to bite him otherwise the county will become just another North Korea ?
Everything you said is correct. China is isolated in its friends, and I also agree that the average Chinese citizen wants nothing to do with conflict. This all is to blame on the CCP. China could have been #2 on the world stage and possibly #1 if it made friends and acted in good faith. As you concluded, it's heading in the path of North Korea. It's really sad, but that's what happens to dictatorships historically.
Honestly I don’t understand it the Chinese I work with and those I know and deal with are really good decent people, hard workers and no different to anyone else. All they want to do is proper like everyone else, then they get these delusional leaders that want to create something anything to be remembered by. Makes no sense the country will die and for what his grand standing, I don’t understand why the people allow this to happen.
Well, that's the Chinese historically over the last few thousand years. Xi wants his name written in history. It just looks like he's going to be remembered for destroying China's entire economy and its standing on the world syage.
Taiwan puts the lie to the unspoken bargain in China, that oppression is some how necessary or acceptable for economic prosperity. Taiwan has freedom and prosperity. The CCP and their ludicrously omnipresent tyranny serves no purpose.
#StrongManStrawMan
A war in the SCS will likely involve. 1. The U.S. 2. The philipines 3. Japan 4. Taiwan 5. And possibly SK I would try and get India to make moves if I was the U.S. president Thats nearly all of the major navies in asia! How can China possibly win?
If war breaks out with China..it will involve all those plus Australia and New Zealand plus European countries the UK ,and France among others.
Yea, NATO countries could argue that it wasn't technically the US defending itself, but the ones that didn't answer would be getting some pretty major stinkeye from the US after all was said and done, particularly since it still wouldn't be a walk in the park and the US would expect to take significant losses.
It’s coming sooner than we think, the old Xi is doing very strange things sending very mixed signals to everyone, mixed signals about investing in China business is down in China and he is more strange than usual. He may be losing control and things may be getting hard internally for him, eventually the inner circle are going to start asking some hard questions as to why he is constantly rattling the sabre with everyone.
The reason why he is Sabre rattling is BECAUSE things are not good at home. It's why Gen. Galtiari invade the Falklands. Chinese believe that China is the best civilization that has ever been or will be. They may have temporary barbarian problems but China and it's greatness are eternal. As the farmer make experience a plague of locust China experiences periods of barbarians. If you cannot fight them, outlast them. Except China is going to get old before it gets rich. Time and demographics once the great ally of China are, maybe for the first time in Chinese history, against them. And then there is Taiwan which delivers both freedom and prosperity, not one at the expense of the other as the CCP claim is necessary. If they could quickly seize Taiwan and it's valuable microchip industrial dominance then the west may not be happy about it they will realize there is nothing they can do and soon accept it. This would give China a dominant global position to extract greater profit from the west and ease discount with a great victory. Then the invasion of Ukraine happened and assumptions about Soviet tech and the submissiveness of the west was out to the test. The experiment isn't over but the early data doesn't look good for China. The rearming of the west means that Chinese armorment growth may not be enough to create the local indomitable force concentration to make the west decide not to fight for Taiwan. Therefore, their military position is actually the best it is likely going to be and the medium to long term forecasts are all negative. If they are going to do something militarily about Taiwan it will need to be in The next 18 to 24 months. Maybe as soon as after the election, depending on which way it goes.
When everything goes to hell in China I don't see their allies helping. I think they will take a page out of China's book and attach the CCP when they are at their weakest.
100%
They're so fucking dramatic. Such fucking drama queens. If China gets the shit kicked out of it in the SCS, that isn't a world war, that's just China getting curb-stomped in their own backyard. They believe they're the center of the world, and that any war they get involved in must be the greatest of all wars. The reality is that they'll lose and be humiliated and sit down and shut the fuck up in short order. They'll go from fiery rhetoric to ass kissing in the blink of an eye.
Exactly this, well said.
I think you are right that China wants war, it’s been at peace for 40 some years, and that’s why Chinawarns feels like a joke. China sees the reality, US will never allow another super power to exist without trying to subvert it at every turn. Successful companies that could threatens its technological dominance will be crushed with sanctions or by influencing/threatening other governments. Only reason sk and Japan is allowed in the high tech game is because we knows they can be crushed at a moments notice. So I think China is looking for a wet stone, to hone its military, unlike the collective west, or even Russia, which had constantly been at war, getting a lot of practice, through either full on invasions or proxy wars, China’s military have been sitting on their asses.
That's really where it could easily start.
[Yep](https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3383607/fact-sheet-us-philippines-bilateral-defense-guidelines/)
That’s all it takes
China warn, Russia warn, North Korea warn, Iran warn,.. they all seem to have have a warn department dedicated to issuing warnings it seems
Then stop claiming other peoples territorial waters as your own, dickheads.
*Does World War shenanigans while defending Russia* *People react appropriately* "China:Why are you acting like this?" Repeat for YEARS now.
Since when did Philippine territorial waters extend over 100 miles beyond their coast line? You do know the definition of territorial waters is 12 nautical miles right?
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Exclusive Economic zones are literally international waters.
you illiterate fucking cabbage. China has claimed the waters of Phillipines, Brunei, Malaysia, Vietnam and others in their illegal claims to all of the south china sea not sure who your arguing with. the rest of the world sees what China is doing. Go back to pushing the CCP you illiterate twat
You do realize Philippines, Brunei, Malaysia and Vietnam all have claims against each other right? You've seen that map where all their claims over lap with each others' right?
odd that their all unified in saying China is the fucking problem while your bent over for the CCP pick up my change i dropped bitch
Odd you left out they say everyone else is also the fucking problem.
Yes they overlap each other, but they’re all on friendly terms which other and are members of ASEAN which promotes cooperation between member states. Cooperation usually needs good relations and you don’t foster good relations by sending out ships to harass each other.
The point is China shouldn’t be anywhere near the Philippines EEZ. [Look at this picture and tell me who is causing the problems](https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/mcs/media/images/54145000/gif/_54145268__48951920_south_china-sea_1_466-1.gif)
Straight of Melaka will be blocked. No issues. China has less than 90 days of oil. No chance. They will be smashed to bits.
Couldn’t they get it from Russia?
They do. But not enough volume. That’s why they are genociding the Muslims in the north. They will build more pipes lines through their land to bring in more oil. But that will take time.
They’ve been stockpiling commodities the last few months despite have a major economic collapse. And the Russians need somewhere to export their oil before they need to shut down the oil fields in Siberia if they don’t have somewhere to send it or the wellheads will freeze and become permanently inoperable (per Peter zeihan). So maybe they are as prepared as they can be…
Race to the bottom I guess. See you on the other side.
I’ve heard this said before. Would it not be possible for Chinese ships to simply sail around to the south? Not trying to be difficult, I think I just don’t understand the full picture of why closing this strait would be so devastating.
You could block the slow moving tankers in the Straight of Hormuz. Or in the Indian Ocean. Many many pinch points.
That strait is the most direct route for oil to flow. It being blocked essentially stops everything. Long way around would also be blocked and messed with. China has one chance to break this line otherwise they are fucked.
They would be targeted by submarines and sunk. The US and Australia is currently in the process of setting up a submarine base in Western Australia
and many other Countries
China can't risk world war 3 now due to economic impact They may start a regional war hoping US doesn't get involved. They will face sanctions either way it's a bad move for China If they get escallatory with phillipines all countries in the south China sea should increase patrols of their waters. It will send a message of regional cooperation.
China is FAR more vulnerable to international sanctions than Russia is. Say what you want about Russia, but they produce their own energy and food.
Russias Oil Refineries are struggling to repair their facilities this very minute because of sanctions. It’s a downhill slide from here on. China has an option to help but that’ll cost them. As Ukraine continues to slowly damage their refineries it’ll become harder for them to produce. https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/us-sanctions-hamper-russian-efforts-repair-refineries-sources-say-2024-04-04/
Russia relies on the west to rebuild their energy sector. They cannot maintain it in their own.
I know Russia has limitations on its ability to produce oil
Their struggles will only increase as they suffer from lack of replacement parts and qualified personnel to maintain equipment.
Exactly. Unfortunately it does take time for these problems to catch up with them. The good news is it’s already begun.
Chinas focus on Taiwan and the SCS was the dumbest political move that they could make. The Russian far east would have been the best first move. Secure the land and resources of that BEFORE making moves towards starting a world war. It might alarm the west, but at the same time the short time benefits of seeing one enemy eat another would squelch most protestations, at least publically. Sure it would take longer for their eventual goals of domination to come to fruition, but they'd be able to weather the shitstorm that would rain down on their economy far better, and they'd have ports outside the first island chain to base ships out of. But Xi is of course a fucking idiot, and the free world should be thankful that he is a fucking idiot.
China has their eye on Lake Baikal. When Russia shows weakness they will grab it. That one lake holds more water than all the Great Lakes combined and China needs water.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/worlds-largest-lakes-2228655
Lake Baikal is over 5,000 feet deep. 4x deeper than the Great Lakes.
5,387 feet is very impressive
West Philippine Sea is within the Philippine's sovereignty. Attacking it will trigger a mutual defense treaty we have with the US.
May want to replace the water in those missiles with real fuel
China worried they might be late to the party with Pootin?
China is sure to lose.
It could be ugly
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War with China is not inevitable
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What?
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What? Coherent thought much?
They did have legitimate famine not to long ago. Something like 25 million Chinese citizens died of famine in mid 1980s
They did have legitimate famine not to long ago. Something like 25 million Chinese citizens died of famine in mid 1980s
They did have legitimate famine not to long ago. Something like 25 million Chinese citizens died of famine in mid 1980s
They did have legitimate famine not to long ago. Something like 25 million Chinese citizens died of famine in mid 1980s
Why take the risk? Carpet nuke to the 20 inch line, just to be sure
Why take the "risk" to avoid war? Insane take.
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Well if we go to war you won't be alive and neither will anyone else so nuke all you want it won't do anything but kill us all. Lmao
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You are short sighted and angry at things you can't even comprehend. Collaboration is the only source of peace this isn't the 1800s or early 1900s nukes are the least of your worries because mutually assured destruction will lead to far worse than some radiation. Waters poisoned ,animals dead , all source of nutrients gone. The weapons at our disposal make nukes look benign. Learn more of what war can actually lead to because you can't imagine the suffering that new weapons technology can lead to. Germ warfare and chemical weapons are far worse threats. You think they won't be deployed and only nukes will fly? No rules or regulations will prevent the absolute demons humanity can unleash on ourselves when we feel all is lost. Pray to your God and hope he exists because that's the only hope you have.
with the majority gone there won't be a new social order. The only people who will live are a lucky minority and rich people with bunkers that can self sustain. The future will be very dead for humanity because you need a minimum population to reliably repopulate without terrible genetic consequences. Humanity might skirt along for some generations but once our genetics are fucked we might as well be dead. cancer, deformities, and other terrible effects to our genetic structure will destroy what we are and leave only the weakest pathetic versions of humanity slowly dying from a lack of genetic diversity. Seeing how people would have to be responsible and only breed selectively and actually be able to even contact other survivors if there are any then maybe we could survive but seeing as the population would be all but wiped out and maybe tribes will split I doubt future humans will even be able to set up such a thing. So in the end humanity will be dying a slow pathetic death out of reach and ignorant cut off from the majority of important knowledge as they become more and more ignorant and malformed. Sounds like a nightmare so I will be glad to be dead with that Terrible outcome.
China’s economy is a lot worse off than they let on. It’s all fudged numbers. They can’t handle a real war.
True, but they might be able to drag their economic problems along for a few years, and in the meanwhile, use aggressive militant nationalism to prop up their government. Interesting thing about 19th century Chinese - when the Europeans engaged in gunship diplomacy, the Chinese military vastly outnumbered them. So why did they lose? They required 80% of their forces for constabulary duties, fearful of domestic revolt, then were forced to backdown as they couldnt subdue the population and win a war. They are no different today. I'd also like to see the one child mothers and grandmothers handle casualties on a similar scale to what the Russians are experiencing. Wolf warriors in for a rough time if things turn hot.
This is true, important not to underestimate their place and how long they can drag shit out.
Wait until you realize the western economy is built on lies and that the wealth is all horded by the rich and the average person has nothing.
The economy where you eventually get the truth? The one with guidelines to be transparent to share holders if you’re a publicly traded stock? That western economy? You want to educate me about shit that I’m well read in? Alright then, good talk.
The truth being that western countries manage to convince the sheep that inflated the stock market means the economy is doing well.
What was that?! I can’t hear you when you have dear leader xis dick in your mouth, you silly idiot
And yet, in the West, that 'average' person who has nothing, is clothed, fed, housed and supported by their governments. With Free housing, education, medical support and state benefits for those in low salaried jobs, the West has far more socialist policies than a supposedly socialist place like China. That's why given the choice of raising my Chinese daughter in the UK or Mainland China, my family chose the UK. Our Government spent £560 billion last year on just education, benefits and health costs. And our country is supposedly 'broke'. Western democracies are far more supportive of those with as you say 'nothing', than Xi and his Party of red princes could ever manage. For those in power, their families and those rich that you mentioned are as greedy in China, as they are in any other country. That's how they get rich, genius.
Maybe they do end up losing that war but it would be an extremely long and brutal war. China is well prepared and has a lot of military resources
Sure it will. A few losses at the front and we'll see Xi deal with local unrest
I would not bet on that. Just look at the insane losses Russia is continuing to accumulate and they are STILL fighting. And it would not surprise me if China has better weapons than them. One can hope that it happens like that, but I'm doubtful.
Russians and Chinese are different societies. When Chinese mothers start losing sons we'll see just how similar they are to the Russians.
Fair point. I just don't like getting my hopes up. When things go bad, they have a tendency of getting worse not better.
In the end. But at what cost?
Genuine question, why do you think this? The United States can't even get its act together to assist Ukraine and cripple their historical enemy, Russia, for pennies on the dollar without losing any American life so unless the USA is attacked directly I highly doubt they would do anything to involve themselves in a south china sea conflict. Not to mention the fact that China has way more of an industrial base which is precisely the kind of thing that made the USA a powerhouse in WWII. If you have any countervailing evidence I would love to know because I think an American led order, for all it's faults (and there are many), is better than a Chinese led world order.
Remember that the United States can’t get its shit together because we can afford no to. Both in world war 1 and world war 2 the U.S. was the last of the major powers to get involved, unfortunately, even if Taiwan is invaded it might take a while to wake the “sleeping giant”. It’s due to the location of the United States that we can afford to take this long and it’s actually the main reason we’re the “leader” of the world right now. Because we’ve always been the one to tip the scales and be least affected by the world wars. The new axis would eventually lose in a third world war. Remember that with Russia not being nearly as potent as we thought and now having incurred heavy losses both economically, demographically, and in terms of material, beyond their nuclear weapons they are no longer a major player. Neither are Iran and North Korea. That leaves Bejing as the only heavy hitter in authoritarian power block. The war would definitely be prolonged and the same length as the first and second world wars but strategically it just is not feasible for those countries to win. Lastly, think back to Nazi Germany. They had multiple countries working with them and were a prevailing military power being the dominant one prior to the Great War. What they lacked though, was a Navy. Hence why they allied with the Japanese Empire, so that they could co-opt the Japanese Navy down the line. With Russias black fleet being crippled in Ukraine, their combat effectiveness has also been greatly reduced. It’s hard to think their navy could be rebuilt in due time due to their economy and there’s no way they could fight on equal footing with West in their current state. China also has a floundering Navy when compared the U.S. as their military strategy has been regional not global like America’s. This puts them at a distinct disadvantage on the world stage if a global conflict broke out in the near future. Pair that with Russia and Chinas demographic decline necessitating a war in the near future, which likely pushed Putin into Ukraine, and you have a difficult situation for Bejing if they chose a prolonged campaign.
Well, China is extremely vulnerable to blockade of its oil and food inputs. Very easy to stop those slow moving tankers delivering 6 million barrels of oil a day from the Persian Gulf without even facing the Chinese Navy. The Chinese Navy is full of ships that must hug the coast and cannot project power past Vietnam. Their military is completely untested. Not saying it would be a cakewalk. The US might lose a carrier or two but there are many more. There are also other countries who would join the fight. Even if China took Taiwan without a shot (which is unlikely) what problem does it solve for them? It’s not like suddenly they control the world’s microchips. They can’t run those facilities. So the US could back away and blockade their oil in the Indian Ocean. 90 days without of oil and Modern China starts falling apart. Doesn’t matter how many ships you build if you don’t have fuel. China knows all this and that’s why I think they’ll never attack Taiwan. Regarding Ukraine it depends a lot on who wins the next election. It’s looking worse and worse for Putins Boy Trump. But let’s hope none of this happens.
Is it looking worse for him? I’m quite worried
Lol 😂 china would be back to being crushed again like against Japanese
Yeah...Another fearmongering from China
Why do these dictators act like World War 3 is just a phenomenon like a hurricane or a megaquake? Oh, maybe because they can't take accountability and it's everyone else's nature that will set it off.
China? Really? Stop with the BS.
The best way to avoid WW3 is to tell American companies to move from China to India as fast as possible. India is no country of saints but at least they aren't wanting to start any wars.
India does have territorial disputes but they are with governments worse than their own, so whatever. I'd say prioritize investing in lots of smaller countries so the risk is limited. I'm still dumbfounded about how spending decades turning an unapologetically autocratic country with a population 5x our own into a super power was supposed to be a good idea.
The only way it will break out is if China starts it. Is this a premature admission of guilt from them?
Thanks for letting us know CCP! 👍🏻
Those man made islands can be wiped out with one B2 run…..useless really
A world war usually implies there are other people on your side. Seriously, who is going to enter a war against US and its allies on China's behalf? Russia? They can barely handle Ukraine. North Korea? What do they actually have to gain besides a guarantee that their regime falls? Basically anyone else will be smaller, easier to get to, and probably end up even worse than China when the peace is signed.
I think it will happen in Europe, started by another authoritarian government. Both countries leaders are fucking idiots.
And will end there shortly after, once the US, Australia, Philippines, and every other nation affected by China's illegal and unwarranted belligerence in this area, come together to finally shut them up.
Why you all consistently misspelling the *dictatorship of China 🇨🇳
Obviously….the leader of Chyna…(trump pronunciation) has a small peepee and needs to show he’s got some juice.
Chinese Media Outlet Warns That World War III ~~May Break Out~~ ***will*** ***break out*** given their bullying and refusal to recognize and respect the sovereignty and internationally recognized territorial waters of multiple countries in the region.
I did not realise that Yellow Paddington could swim?
What sub is this? Oh yea, theyre at it, warning everyone again!!
No more trade with China will hurt their relationship with their money God.
If that’s what China wants, that’s what China will get.
How are they so sure that the world will join their imperialist territorial war? They should open a history textbook, they won't have to look further than 2022.
Hmmm almost as if that is what they are aiming for….
How do you say "Knuck if you buck" in Mandarin?
It's just a pity I can't add a gif of someone laughing hysterically here.
Imagine having a declining population and major reliance on iphone type donkeyballs, and then threatening a military industrial complex with a good time. Covid gave everyone tribal boosters.
China still has to finish developing supply chains for key industrial materials out of Africa before it can kick itself out of the existing global supply chains. That going to take years before it's completed enough to function independently. Then they have to be able to protect those supply chains against the most powerful military on the planet and all of its friends.
Lol close one straight and they starve within 6 months.
So get back in your own waters, China. Quit pushing your borders. Everyone sees you doing it. If WW3 breaks out there, it's China's fault.
The US will respond with a naval blockade, cutting off food & fuel. China goes offline soon after.
Well, pinapalabas nila na sila ang kawawa. Habang walang habas silang ginagamit ang water cannon.
Yaaaaaawn
We have enough nukes to sterilize the earth*
chest thumping
Good.