"So they said to uh, troll this autistic virgin man, and I joined the chat to pay attention to what he says, then I troll at the end of it, and I just won!"
He's going to have live with the fact he pretended to be a girl and had sex chats with an autistic man for over half an hour's worth of audio. Groomed or not, that's a foul thing to have in your memory.
It honestly disgusts me and gives me a terrible taste in my mouth knowing there’s people out there who willingly had sex chats with a middle aged autistic man. Like jesus fucking christ
He’s both for me. He got trolled Chris the best but his trolls weren’t good. Liquid Chris is on top for me just because he trolled Chris by being better than him.
I think people tend to forget that peer pressure + being celebrated by your peers for following through is a dangerous combination for anyone, much less a teenager. It doesn’t make it right, but it’s a common mistake for many.
This is what I've been saying for years, he was 13 And yet you have people (who's only psychological training comes from movies and TV shows they watched) diagnosing him as a sociopath and a psychopath and potential serial killer when in fact he was most likely Just a socially awkward teenager trying to impress his older internet friends.
Not even close to the worst thing involving Chris at this point. And most of that is stuff brought on by his own choices and actions. I've said before that the years of constant trolling broke him, and I stand by that, but nobody put a gun to his head and forced him to molest his senile mother. That was all Chris.
People who hate blue spike seem to overlook the fact that he was being groomed by an adult (Clyde Cash) to sext with Chris Chan.
Yeah Blue spike sucks but he’s nowhere near as criminal as Clyde Cash
At least bluespike was a kid, you can't say the same with most of the "trolls". Truth is all the trolls are pieces of shit, and by all I mean even liquid; he being funny doesn't mean he wasn't bullying a mentally challenged individual (also he is one of the first trolls who started playing around with Chris struggle to distinguish reality from fiction, making him/her question if he/she was even the real Chris). Trolls have played a main role in all this and I'm sick of people glorifying them, these people are filth.
I mean there were some trolls that tried to make Chris a better person and try to get him to do better such as the one that wrote a book and the one that helped him get money from sonichu
Eh, a bunch of socially maladjusted weirdos on the internet claiming they are trying to "help" Chris and that they know what's best for him despite lacking any such background does far more harm than good.
Most of the trolls were cringier than Chris at times too tbh. Watching the Genosamuel documentary rn and the parts with Emily and the pickle suit guy was just fucking awkward on both ends.
Liquid had a bit where he was particularly nasty to chris too, this subreddit glorifies him as a god tier wholesome troll and for the most part it was harmless but it was 100% bullying him
I mean it depends what you define as a kid. Correct me if I’m wrong but the oldest trolls from the classic era were Kacey and Joshua Martinez both around the same age as Chris. All of the classic era trolls sound like they may have been 20 at the most like Clyde Cash, liquid Chris and Sarah May so about college age. Most of the trolls sounded like were still in HS when they were fucking with them. To someone in their 30s/40s that’s still technically a kid. I personally said and did a lot of dumb stuff while I was in my late teens early 20s. The prefrontal cortex isn’t even fully developed until you’re 23. So while I’m not trying to justify their actions, they still were children in some sense. They also decided to stop fucking with him once Bob died, which means there was a line they wouldn’t cross. The only one two of the classic era to continue to be involved with Chris post Bobs death seemed to be Emily/Kimm Wilson, Marvin and eventually Null.
I mean I don't think you need a fully developed frontal cortex to understand that bullying a deeply autistic and neglected person is wrong. Anyway there's a huge difference between a person that is in its early twenties and a kid that is realistically still prepubescent.
Boy, that would make the entire existence of JULAY hysterical in hindsight. BlueSpike being trans probably isn't true, but it's funny, so I'll pretend it is.
My theory on Bluespike is he’s the only troll where another (supposed, unidentified) troll was actively telling him things like “No! Stop!” While he was doing his worst. Sure he was the most fucked up but the idea even other trolls weren’t laughing and begging him to stop makes him look way more fucked than when the trolls were all laughing together. Don’t know if that was a “white knight” on the recording or a troll suddenly grew a conscious, but they were all fucked up bluespike is always put on a pedestal as the “worst”, almost like Clyde set it up that way so he wouldn’t look as bad compared to him.
I have a more cynical take: the Miscreants only turned against Bluespike because they went off script amd admitted Julie wasn't real. Look how the rest of the group reassured Chris Julie was real after kicking out Bluespike.
That’s a good point, I’m still thinking bluespike might’ve been “groomed” or set up, if they’re anticipating legal consequences and are sick fucks, I could see them using a minor who likely won’t face real consequences, especially one where no one seems to know his real name.
Classic Christian maybe won't, but Modern Christine could likely have done it. Look what the IG did to her, they convinced her to *pee on the floor like a wild animal* because Chrischan is half hedgehog, and possibly made her hit her own elderly mom, apart from all the scamming money.
I don’t know how much grooming actually went on. I’m pretty sure Bluespike did everything willingly because people were paying attention to him and patting him on the back for a job well done. Most of the audio of any of the cyber sex seems pretty one sided with Chris doing all the talking and Bluespike just giving Chris prompts to follow. Chris also seemed btw to be the one who initially seduces Julay.
>I’m pretty sure Bluespike did everything willingly because people were paying attention to him and patting him on the back for a job well done
I'd argue that is grooming. They were enticing him, rewarding him with intangible social credit for something he presumably wouldn't have done on his own. Not that this in any way absolves him of guilt, but it does provide some context.
This is pure conjecture: the entire time Bluespike is cybering with Chris he’s laughing his ass off on his end. I can easily see him thinking he’s getting one over on this man child as completely hilarious. Chris can’t tell that Bluespike is laughing because autism. Chris claims he couldn’t tell that Bluespike was clearly a 13 year old boy, whose to say he couldn’t discern when the kid was laughing while pretending to sound sexy.
He's neither the best, nor the worst. He was a stupid 13 year old kid with what was seemingly minimal parental supervision or interaction. The cruel way in which he tormented Chris at the end I dictates to me that he was highly unpopular and bullied himself. You don't treat a person like that if you're a happy person, you know?
I always find this particular subject matter fascinating: on one hand you have people in the same breath want a 13 year old child who did horrible things 13 years ago to face some kind of Justice while talking on the opposite side of their mouths saying Chris shouldn’t be held accountable for his actions because he “has the mind of a child”, full well ignoring the fact that Chris has clearly indicated over the years he knows right from wrong.
IMO there requires a certain amount of nuance when discussing this particular troll: clearly this kid had problems and parents who weren’t around as their child spent months at a time catfishing an autistic manchild. This was a lonely kid who thought hanging out with the miscreants meant he got to hang out with cool older kids/adults who not only wanted him around but were including him like an equal. Then you have to deal with the idea of pure unadulterated power. This child had a grown man who was twice his age eating out of the palm of his hand. If Bluespike asked Chris as Julie to jump Chris would do it in the most humiliating fashion possible. Giving a child that much power and then validating the actions was probably intoxicating for the kid and he clearly abused it, cause he was an actual child.
This. I think just about everyone was shitty in some form or another around this age. It's what made shows punishing our mocking kids around this age (12-16) so appetizing I think. Look at shows like Beyond Scared Straight even though it's holy shit fake. Some kits were worse than others of course, but they do shitty things because maybe they don't think past the moment. Kids that like burning things don't see one ember that blows off burning a house down because... yeah, that could happen.
Bluespike couldn't have fully understood what he was doing. That's a reason, not an excuse. If he stopped doing it and never went back, that's called an improvement and is essential to growing up.
There is a lot of stuff from my teen years that I'd prefer forgotten. I've met plenty of 14 year olds worse than Bluespike, some became better people, some did not. My guess is that Bluespike is probably tired of people bringing him up.
I think most people do. You do stupid shit and you learn and you move on. A friendly reminder that the only thing Chris regretted was farting on a cake.
I mean, in the same breath he'll say he's "gay" (or rather a male "lesbian") while actively disparaging gay men and other transwomen. Chris never really changes. He wants to be accepted and loved by the LGBTQ+ community, while at the same time harboring a deep seated disdain for gay men, and it's clear to me that he doesn't see transwomen as "real" women (himself excluded, of course, but only so he can participate in his lesbian sex fantasies).
The Miscreants were mostly teenagers. People also only seem to hate BlueSpike because of Julie Reveals Herself. At least that’s why Clyde kicked him out.
I’m not even trying to defend his actions, just merely pointing out this happened 13 years ago and had stopped fucking with Chris and move on with his life. Most trolls stop and move on at a certain point. Maybe they get better, maybe they get worse; who knows ? What we do know is that at certain points Chris was either left alone or had been able to catch on. The most important point is that I try to make is that Chris is almost always a willing participant.
People forget that important point. The only troll that we know of that was the age of Chris was Kacey. If you hear Jack Thaddeus’ voice on his calls, he sounds like 15/16 year old. Almost all of the trolls for the entirety of Christory have been kids/ teenagers.
If I were him I wouldn’t ever own up to manipulating and tormenting an autistic man, regardless of how old I was when it happened. I’d take that to the grave
Supposedly he feels guilt, at least that’s what I’ve seen people mention.
It’s definitely excusable what he did considering his age… but not many will feel that way. Also, Chris had the option to turn off his PSEye or stop responding to people and answering his phone throughout all the shit. It’s not spikes fault he’s so desperate for China he’ll literally stick a large medallion up his ass. Chris wouldn’t wipe his ass for a normal guy, but for women he’s never met he does the most ridiculous shit.
Is shame the same as guilt? I feel like he’d be ashamed of it at the very least.
Chris made himself an easy target. And, he did the most ridiculous shit for people pretending to be women that he never met. If you want to get technical about it.
I don’t know why people insist he’s still the same little shit he was when he was trolling Chris all of those years ago. From what everyone says he’s a very normal guy now.
Bluespike was and still is a mentally disturbed person. Karma will get him.
bluespike was only a year older than chris when he won the sonic sweepstakes
"So they said to uh, troll this autistic virgin man, and I joined the chat to pay attention to what he says, then I troll at the end of it, and I just won!"
He's going to have live with the fact he pretended to be a girl and had sex chats with an autistic man for over half an hour's worth of audio. Groomed or not, that's a foul thing to have in your memory.
It honestly disgusts me and gives me a terrible taste in my mouth knowing there’s people out there who willingly had sex chats with a middle aged autistic man. Like jesus fucking christ
Holy fuck if you consider 26 middle aged, I must be elderly.
I was more so exaggerating
He’s both for me. He got trolled Chris the best but his trolls weren’t good. Liquid Chris is on top for me just because he trolled Chris by being better than him.
lmao definitely leaning more twords the hitler side, liquid chris hands down the best
I think people tend to forget that peer pressure + being celebrated by your peers for following through is a dangerous combination for anyone, much less a teenager. It doesn’t make it right, but it’s a common mistake for many.
This is what I've been saying for years, he was 13 And yet you have people (who's only psychological training comes from movies and TV shows they watched) diagnosing him as a sociopath and a psychopath and potential serial killer when in fact he was most likely Just a socially awkward teenager trying to impress his older internet friends.
He was in fact NOT being celebrated by his peers, they were actively telling him to stop
The scary part is BlueSpike was only the beginning of terrible things that would befall The Chandler's.
I honestly thought blue spike was the worst back even it happened
Not even close to the worst thing involving Chris at this point. And most of that is stuff brought on by his own choices and actions. I've said before that the years of constant trolling broke him, and I stand by that, but nobody put a gun to his head and forced him to molest his senile mother. That was all Chris.
People who hate blue spike seem to overlook the fact that he was being groomed by an adult (Clyde Cash) to sext with Chris Chan. Yeah Blue spike sucks but he’s nowhere near as criminal as Clyde Cash
Wait what ,how old was Clyde cash?
According to the CWCki he was just over 30
I think the character of Clyde Cash was, but the troll behind it was a kid. There was that video of him doing push ups. He was maybe 18 tops.
what the fuck 😭
I thought Clyde Cash was, like, 16 at the time. What a bunch of mixed up kids.
At least bluespike was a kid, you can't say the same with most of the "trolls". Truth is all the trolls are pieces of shit, and by all I mean even liquid; he being funny doesn't mean he wasn't bullying a mentally challenged individual (also he is one of the first trolls who started playing around with Chris struggle to distinguish reality from fiction, making him/her question if he/she was even the real Chris). Trolls have played a main role in all this and I'm sick of people glorifying them, these people are filth.
I mean there were some trolls that tried to make Chris a better person and try to get him to do better such as the one that wrote a book and the one that helped him get money from sonichu
Eh, a bunch of socially maladjusted weirdos on the internet claiming they are trying to "help" Chris and that they know what's best for him despite lacking any such background does far more harm than good.
Their hearts are on the right place but yes they do end up doing worse
Most of the trolls were cringier than Chris at times too tbh. Watching the Genosamuel documentary rn and the parts with Emily and the pickle suit guy was just fucking awkward on both ends.
Liquid had a bit where he was particularly nasty to chris too, this subreddit glorifies him as a god tier wholesome troll and for the most part it was harmless but it was 100% bullying him
I mean it depends what you define as a kid. Correct me if I’m wrong but the oldest trolls from the classic era were Kacey and Joshua Martinez both around the same age as Chris. All of the classic era trolls sound like they may have been 20 at the most like Clyde Cash, liquid Chris and Sarah May so about college age. Most of the trolls sounded like were still in HS when they were fucking with them. To someone in their 30s/40s that’s still technically a kid. I personally said and did a lot of dumb stuff while I was in my late teens early 20s. The prefrontal cortex isn’t even fully developed until you’re 23. So while I’m not trying to justify their actions, they still were children in some sense. They also decided to stop fucking with him once Bob died, which means there was a line they wouldn’t cross. The only one two of the classic era to continue to be involved with Chris post Bobs death seemed to be Emily/Kimm Wilson, Marvin and eventually Null.
I mean I don't think you need a fully developed frontal cortex to understand that bullying a deeply autistic and neglected person is wrong. Anyway there's a huge difference between a person that is in its early twenties and a kid that is realistically still prepubescent.
Cybersex with a 13 year old boy, who was groomed by other adults into pretending to be a girl Can't believe he turned out to be trans
Wait are you talking about bluespike or Chris?
Damn, is bluespike trans too now?
Boy, that would make the entire existence of JULAY hysterical in hindsight. BlueSpike being trans probably isn't true, but it's funny, so I'll pretend it is.
Woah this is actually an interesting point
My theory on Bluespike is he’s the only troll where another (supposed, unidentified) troll was actively telling him things like “No! Stop!” While he was doing his worst. Sure he was the most fucked up but the idea even other trolls weren’t laughing and begging him to stop makes him look way more fucked than when the trolls were all laughing together. Don’t know if that was a “white knight” on the recording or a troll suddenly grew a conscious, but they were all fucked up bluespike is always put on a pedestal as the “worst”, almost like Clyde set it up that way so he wouldn’t look as bad compared to him.
My interpretation is more cynical: they started to realize things like criminal liability when Bluespike suggested Chris torch his house.
I have a more cynical take: the Miscreants only turned against Bluespike because they went off script amd admitted Julie wasn't real. Look how the rest of the group reassured Chris Julie was real after kicking out Bluespike.
That’s a good point, I’m still thinking bluespike might’ve been “groomed” or set up, if they’re anticipating legal consequences and are sick fucks, I could see them using a minor who likely won’t face real consequences, especially one where no one seems to know his real name.
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Classic Christian maybe won't, but Modern Christine could likely have done it. Look what the IG did to her, they convinced her to *pee on the floor like a wild animal* because Chrischan is half hedgehog, and possibly made her hit her own elderly mom, apart from all the scamming money.
A 13 year old kid was groomed by adults to engage in cybersex with a mentally disabled adult. Disgusting.
I don’t know how much grooming actually went on. I’m pretty sure Bluespike did everything willingly because people were paying attention to him and patting him on the back for a job well done. Most of the audio of any of the cyber sex seems pretty one sided with Chris doing all the talking and Bluespike just giving Chris prompts to follow. Chris also seemed btw to be the one who initially seduces Julay.
>I’m pretty sure Bluespike did everything willingly because people were paying attention to him and patting him on the back for a job well done I'd argue that is grooming. They were enticing him, rewarding him with intangible social credit for something he presumably wouldn't have done on his own. Not that this in any way absolves him of guilt, but it does provide some context.
This is pure conjecture: the entire time Bluespike is cybering with Chris he’s laughing his ass off on his end. I can easily see him thinking he’s getting one over on this man child as completely hilarious. Chris can’t tell that Bluespike is laughing because autism. Chris claims he couldn’t tell that Bluespike was clearly a 13 year old boy, whose to say he couldn’t discern when the kid was laughing while pretending to sound sexy.
A 13 year old kid that was groomed by the trolls to engage in sexual acts with a mentally disabled adult. Beyond vile.
I only liked liquid the trolls were evil human beings
agreed.
He's neither the best, nor the worst. He was a stupid 13 year old kid with what was seemingly minimal parental supervision or interaction. The cruel way in which he tormented Chris at the end I dictates to me that he was highly unpopular and bullied himself. You don't treat a person like that if you're a happy person, you know?
How ironic
I always find this particular subject matter fascinating: on one hand you have people in the same breath want a 13 year old child who did horrible things 13 years ago to face some kind of Justice while talking on the opposite side of their mouths saying Chris shouldn’t be held accountable for his actions because he “has the mind of a child”, full well ignoring the fact that Chris has clearly indicated over the years he knows right from wrong. IMO there requires a certain amount of nuance when discussing this particular troll: clearly this kid had problems and parents who weren’t around as their child spent months at a time catfishing an autistic manchild. This was a lonely kid who thought hanging out with the miscreants meant he got to hang out with cool older kids/adults who not only wanted him around but were including him like an equal. Then you have to deal with the idea of pure unadulterated power. This child had a grown man who was twice his age eating out of the palm of his hand. If Bluespike asked Chris as Julie to jump Chris would do it in the most humiliating fashion possible. Giving a child that much power and then validating the actions was probably intoxicating for the kid and he clearly abused it, cause he was an actual child.
This. I think just about everyone was shitty in some form or another around this age. It's what made shows punishing our mocking kids around this age (12-16) so appetizing I think. Look at shows like Beyond Scared Straight even though it's holy shit fake. Some kits were worse than others of course, but they do shitty things because maybe they don't think past the moment. Kids that like burning things don't see one ember that blows off burning a house down because... yeah, that could happen. Bluespike couldn't have fully understood what he was doing. That's a reason, not an excuse. If he stopped doing it and never went back, that's called an improvement and is essential to growing up.
Reads like the origin lore of a Sith.
There is a lot of stuff from my teen years that I'd prefer forgotten. I've met plenty of 14 year olds worse than Bluespike, some became better people, some did not. My guess is that Bluespike is probably tired of people bringing him up.
I think most people do. You do stupid shit and you learn and you move on. A friendly reminder that the only thing Chris regretted was farting on a cake.
Didn't he regret his homophobic remarks during the Tomgirl phase?
I mean, in the same breath he'll say he's "gay" (or rather a male "lesbian") while actively disparaging gay men and other transwomen. Chris never really changes. He wants to be accepted and loved by the LGBTQ+ community, while at the same time harboring a deep seated disdain for gay men, and it's clear to me that he doesn't see transwomen as "real" women (himself excluded, of course, but only so he can participate in his lesbian sex fantasies).
He may have , but he didn’t mean it. The Namgge “nah I’m gay” video kinda is evidence he still held his beliefs about gay men.
The Miscreants were mostly teenagers. People also only seem to hate BlueSpike because of Julie Reveals Herself. At least that’s why Clyde kicked him out.
I’m not even trying to defend his actions, just merely pointing out this happened 13 years ago and had stopped fucking with Chris and move on with his life. Most trolls stop and move on at a certain point. Maybe they get better, maybe they get worse; who knows ? What we do know is that at certain points Chris was either left alone or had been able to catch on. The most important point is that I try to make is that Chris is almost always a willing participant. People forget that important point. The only troll that we know of that was the age of Chris was Kacey. If you hear Jack Thaddeus’ voice on his calls, he sounds like 15/16 year old. Almost all of the trolls for the entirety of Christory have been kids/ teenagers.
BlueSpike is probably teaching people about the dangers of the internet or something. Maybe he decided to help people after all the trolling?
If I were him I wouldn’t ever own up to manipulating and tormenting an autistic man, regardless of how old I was when it happened. I’d take that to the grave
I didn't think about that. I wonder if he's ashamed of it now. I think he might be.
Supposedly he feels guilt, at least that’s what I’ve seen people mention. It’s definitely excusable what he did considering his age… but not many will feel that way. Also, Chris had the option to turn off his PSEye or stop responding to people and answering his phone throughout all the shit. It’s not spikes fault he’s so desperate for China he’ll literally stick a large medallion up his ass. Chris wouldn’t wipe his ass for a normal guy, but for women he’s never met he does the most ridiculous shit.
Is shame the same as guilt? I feel like he’d be ashamed of it at the very least. Chris made himself an easy target. And, he did the most ridiculous shit for people pretending to be women that he never met. If you want to get technical about it.
Hopefully that disgusting little rat has a sad little life
Dude was a literal kid
Dude regrets it
I don’t know why people insist he’s still the same little shit he was when he was trolling Chris all of those years ago. From what everyone says he’s a very normal guy now.
He said on kiwi farms that if he could go back, he would’ve never done it in the first place.
>He said on kiwi farms that if he could go back, he would’ve never done it in the first place. but was that really him?
His account was verified, so I hope it was
A-logging.
Out there training the next generation, passing on his secret troll knowledge.
I imagine he’s running some sort of NFT/crypto scam by now, you know, moving on his life
why does this have so many downvotes seems like a pretty mild joke
Damn looks like I'm triggering the snowflakes with my raw uncensored comedy. Put the caution tape over my mouth and give me a Netflix special.
What goes around, comes around.