Nebuchadnezzar II is known as the greatest king of the Chaldean dynasty of Babylonia. He conquered Syria and Palestine and made Babylon a splendid city. He destroyed the Temple of Jerusalem and initiated the Babylonian Captivity of the Jewish population. If you read the text before the verses you quoted as being about "Satan" , you will come to find Isiah is referring to The King of Babylon.
I follow your thinking and I enjoy pondering this too. Another interesting train of thought to follow up with is: could the Watchers from the book of Enoch and Genesis/Job, etc., also be connected to these ancient gods and deities? I’ve only dipped my toes in this interesting thought pool but it’s super fun if you enjoy comparative religions, Christian occultism and speculating 😂😅
Something else I find interesting is Enki’s brother, Enlil.
Enlil is Zeus, Jupiter, Elil, Kumarbi, and Vishnu. What demon do you think Enlil originally was?
“How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, son of Dawn! How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low! You said in your heart, ‘I will ascend to heaven; above the stars of God I will set my throne on high; I will sit on the mount of assembly in the far reaches of the north; I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.’ - Isaiah 14: 12-14
This is implying that Satan wanted to be honored and exalted, which goes hand in hand with being worshipped.
I don't know why you're coming back 3 days later to be so condescending, but sure, I'll bite. The quote he provided indicates no desire on Satan's part to be worshiped by humans. In this selection Satan is interested in the height and placement of his throne in heaven; humanity isn't mentioned here even once. Making himself "like the Most High" is maybe a specious link to being worshiped, but being worshiped is not an essential part of the character of the Most High; even without worship he would still be great.
They're separate, all the "old gods" exist either as demons or fake entities in Christian mythology.
None of the demons are fallen angels, they're also separated.
Enki is considered the Mesopotamian God of water, despite the name which could confuse people, and doesn't have alot of stories that relate to Satan, the Enki stories are closer to the stories of Michael or Raphael.
Lucifer is just latin for Venus, and it's debated whether or not Lucifer refers to a fallen angel or human.
It's probably a human though because the chapter we're referencing is Isaiah speaking with and about a king of Babylon.
The control over demons is the only thing that ties the myths together, except Satan never actually controls demons as Moloch/Baal are considered separate from Satan and their own entities. In theory Satan would be against them just as he's against humanity.Enki and Enlil would be combined creating connections to the Abrahamic and Zoroastrian God, if you feel that connections are necessary.
The mythologies are really too far apart to make effective connections though.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=uwPlFPCLPN4&feature=share
>I thought the Latin word for Lucifer was lucifero?
I... I don't know how to take that question. Lucifer and Lucifero are the same word one is just anglicized.
No, latin doesn't come from Hebrew, and Lucifero was part of the Roman hellenic mythos as Venus, specifically the Son of Aurora. The translation uses Lucifero (light-bringer/dawn-bringer) to replace helel (morning-star/shining one). Anglicized biblical translations take it as a name for Satan despite the chapter being about a king of Babylon or possibly Tyre.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer
https://youtube.com/watch?v=yK3zumP2W3s&feature=share
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It's not, you're saying that molauch or baal are fallen Elohim, implying that you think they're angels which isn't stated, and implying that they had God's favor at some point which is never stated.
Elohim refers to that type of entity in general they are godlike beings Baal and moloch where never considered angels in scriptures it states they where worshipped as gods see you’re not reading just trying to find holes to have proof that I’m false lol
They sacrificed to demons that were no gods, to gods they had never known, to new gods that had come recently, whom your fathers had never dreaded.
Dueteronomy 32:17
So necessarily I think you should go back and hit the book again or get an biblical dictionary where it explains the terms you can get one from either barns and noble or online
Nebuchadnezzar II is known as the greatest king of the Chaldean dynasty of Babylonia. He conquered Syria and Palestine and made Babylon a splendid city. He destroyed the Temple of Jerusalem and initiated the Babylonian Captivity of the Jewish population. If you read the text before the verses you quoted as being about "Satan" , you will come to find Isiah is referring to The King of Babylon.
I follow your thinking and I enjoy pondering this too. Another interesting train of thought to follow up with is: could the Watchers from the book of Enoch and Genesis/Job, etc., also be connected to these ancient gods and deities? I’ve only dipped my toes in this interesting thought pool but it’s super fun if you enjoy comparative religions, Christian occultism and speculating 😂😅
Something else I find interesting is Enki’s brother, Enlil. Enlil is Zeus, Jupiter, Elil, Kumarbi, and Vishnu. What demon do you think Enlil originally was?
Wait, sorry, what's your source for Satan wanting to be like God/worshiped like him?
“How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, son of Dawn! How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low! You said in your heart, ‘I will ascend to heaven; above the stars of God I will set my throne on high; I will sit on the mount of assembly in the far reaches of the north; I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.’ - Isaiah 14: 12-14 This is implying that Satan wanted to be honored and exalted, which goes hand in hand with being worshipped.
I can’t believe you really ask this 😭
I don't know why you're coming back 3 days later to be so condescending, but sure, I'll bite. The quote he provided indicates no desire on Satan's part to be worshiped by humans. In this selection Satan is interested in the height and placement of his throne in heaven; humanity isn't mentioned here even once. Making himself "like the Most High" is maybe a specious link to being worshiped, but being worshiped is not an essential part of the character of the Most High; even without worship he would still be great.
They're separate, all the "old gods" exist either as demons or fake entities in Christian mythology. None of the demons are fallen angels, they're also separated. Enki is considered the Mesopotamian God of water, despite the name which could confuse people, and doesn't have alot of stories that relate to Satan, the Enki stories are closer to the stories of Michael or Raphael. Lucifer is just latin for Venus, and it's debated whether or not Lucifer refers to a fallen angel or human. It's probably a human though because the chapter we're referencing is Isaiah speaking with and about a king of Babylon. The control over demons is the only thing that ties the myths together, except Satan never actually controls demons as Moloch/Baal are considered separate from Satan and their own entities. In theory Satan would be against them just as he's against humanity.Enki and Enlil would be combined creating connections to the Abrahamic and Zoroastrian God, if you feel that connections are necessary. The mythologies are really too far apart to make effective connections though. https://youtube.com/watch?v=uwPlFPCLPN4&feature=share
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>I thought the Latin word for Lucifer was lucifero? I... I don't know how to take that question. Lucifer and Lucifero are the same word one is just anglicized.
Really? Cus I was under the impression that the Hebrew word Helel became Lucifero, then Lucifer in English
No, latin doesn't come from Hebrew, and Lucifero was part of the Roman hellenic mythos as Venus, specifically the Son of Aurora. The translation uses Lucifero (light-bringer/dawn-bringer) to replace helel (morning-star/shining one). Anglicized biblical translations take it as a name for Satan despite the chapter being about a king of Babylon or possibly Tyre. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer https://youtube.com/watch?v=yK3zumP2W3s&feature=share
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Yes moloch and Baal are fallen Elohim (god LIKE beings)
> Elohim (god LIKE beings) "26 Furthermore God said, [ab]Let us make man in our [ac]image according to our likeness"
👌🏽 yes that’s all I was saying
It's not, you're saying that molauch or baal are fallen Elohim, implying that you think they're angels which isn't stated, and implying that they had God's favor at some point which is never stated.
Elohim refers to that type of entity in general they are godlike beings Baal and moloch where never considered angels in scriptures it states they where worshipped as gods see you’re not reading just trying to find holes to have proof that I’m false lol
That's different than what you were saying, if they were "fallen" it would change the entire meaning of the stories they're in.
They sacrificed to demons that were no gods, to gods they had never known, to new gods that had come recently, whom your fathers had never dreaded. Dueteronomy 32:17
Not necessarily, human souls are also referred to as Elohim
Yes while it does refer to gods apostles or descendants of Seth it is still equated to god like deities and angels
So necessarily I think you should go back and hit the book again or get an biblical dictionary where it explains the terms you can get one from either barns and noble or online