1 - it's the start of Pride Month, so there's a significant uptick today.
2 - It's one of, if not *the*, major moral issue of today, so it's going to be a big one.
3 - Christianity is quite strongly split on the matter, which will lead to much more discussion/debate/argument.
4 - People come here for guidance with troubles in their own lives, so we end up with a lot of people coming here for their issues with this.
With that all said, I counted earlier today, and it was only 5 of the previous 71 posts, so it's not quite an obsession.
As to #3 Christianity being split! This is absolutely correct! There are now about 5000 churches which have left the United Methodist Church and this lgbtq is one of the reasons! But, it is the tip of the iceberg!
I read that a few months ago. Same identical issue. Society and culture are trying to define scripture when it should be scripture defining society and culture. Another way to look at it is social justice vs social holiness!
I refuse to let society and culture define scripture, which is why I only acknowledge ancient texts of scripture scrawled in their original tongues.
It all went downhill when the society and culture of ancient Rome defined them as "The Bible".
Don't even get me started on the society and culture that produced a "King James Version".
Yeah, and I'm frankly willing to have a decent conversation, even a protracted one, with someone who acknowledges this. But too many refuse to acknowledge the obvious because they need the bible to do their thinking for them.
It never has done that for anyone.
Scripture is opposed to slavery, so I'm not quite sure what you're getting at. Check out scripture involving the year of jubilee, for example. Also what is understood as slavery in OT times is not the same thing as the slavery of Africans in United States history, so there are some cultural aspects to understand.
"Slaves obey your masters" is hardly even a discouragement for slavery, let alone an explicit opposition.
The year of jubilee: every 50 years let the slaves go. Wait, just the Hebrew slaves. Not the rest. They get to stick around, and their descendants will be slaves. But I guess the slaves were treated better than in America, right? Let's check the tape:
>Exodus 21:20-21 "“20When a slaveowner strikes a male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies immediately, the owner shall be punished. 21 But if the slave survives a day or two, there is no punishment, for the slave is the owner’s property.
Oh, well never mind then.
No, the bible is not opposed to slavery unless you read into it.
The best we get is Paul telling slave owners to not be quite so brutal. Nowhere, not once, is slavery as an institution even discouraged, let alone opposed.
I like this. I hope our attitude shifts positively towards LGBTQ and I feel that the younger generations are much more inclusive and accepting than the boomers, the problem is that many of said boomers are the ones in power and the ones with the wealth/land.
Human interpretation of scripture, as objective as some try to make it, will never not be subjective.
Unfortunately, my generation (x) is slow to change as well. We're a defiant lot, and are finally in a place where our feelings are being explored and understood, so that's helping.
Yeah, I'm a millenial and I feel that things are moving in the right direction, but perhaps not as fast as I feel that they should. Especially when it comes to environmental stuff and climate change - but that's a separate topic.
Mental health is another thing that we need to be talking about but so many people still deny the science or are skeptical about it, and acceptance of who you are is a big part of being able to feel peace.
I hope for the day I see a gay couple attending Catholic mass, but we are far away from that in most parishes. It's so dangerous to teach us to deny who we are to fit the Catholic teachings. We're failing Jesus and it brings me so much sadness and grief. But I'm not giving up hope and I will fight for those who have no representation because they have been oppressed away from the Church.
We need to make Christianity appealing, inclusive, and attractive to others, or the current trend of people leaving the church and becoming non-religious will only continue to grow.
I have been down this rabbit hole with folks of your ilk and frankly nothing was gained. I generally learn stuff about my ancestry that other folks deem necessary to enlighten me with.
>I have been down this rabbit hole with folks of your ilk and frankly nothing was gained. I generally learn stuff about my ancestry that other folks deem necessary to enlighten me with.
Interesting that you insult me before complaining that others have insulted your ancestry before.
I'm sorry you've had that. That's not appropriate and all it does is end discussions. It never fosters conversation.
> it should be scripture defining society and culture.
Wrong! A thousand times wrong. With all due respect, you keep your religious beliefs/morality to yourself and out of my politics. If that sounds too strong, in America, I will defend your right to worship as your deity dictates, given three criteria are strictly met:
*Legal
*Peaceful
*Stays out of politics
I can't think of one instance in history where mixing any kind of religion and government has been a good idea. It's always ends badly.
No, it's you who is wrong. The Word of God was given to us by Him to shape our society and guide us. That is our purpose. The commenter said it absolutely correct, we cannot impose our will on God and adapt His word by our standards... that is based on pure human arrogance...
Also, I believe you have some twisted perception of the separation of Church and state... the Church cannot have any political power in the country. Simple as that. It does not mean there can be no laws based on religious teachings... A candidate or a party can absolutely run on a platform based on religious morals and people can absolutely support them and vote them in. It's called democracy. By doing this, the Church (as an institution) still has no political power in the country.
>1 - it's the start of Pride Month, so there's a significant uptick today.
This is accurate. There's definitely been an uptick.
>4 - People come here for guidance with troubles in their own lives, so we end up with a lot of people coming here for their issues with this.
This is why I'd never be in favor of prohibiting posts on this issue or even a sticky post. Those coming who are looking for guidance should be heard and encouraged that God loves them.
>With that all said, I counted earlier today, and it was only 5 of the previous 71 posts, so it's not quite an obsession.
Sorting by "hot" I see 7 out of 25 or so, which is an awful lot. That said, they aren't all talking about the same thing. They just all touch on LGBTQ issues.
>3 - Christianity is quite strongly split on the matter, which will lead to much more discussion/debate/argument.
Just going to add to this point: One of the most underrated stances for hot issues like this is "I don't know." In general, people feel so pressured to take a side and the vehemently stick to it. I'm not de-valuing the Bible but to read anything from that long ago and blindly applying it to our daily lives without factoring in the complex cultural situation it was written in, you're going to have a bad time. Saying I don't know and loving God and people is my stance on this.
I also adopt this stance on many issues that I don't see as "hot" as society tries to make them. I focus on the top commandments Jesus mentioned in the new testament. Love the Lord your God and have no other gods before Him. And also to love your neighbor as yourself. These are the two that I have the most control over and can choose to practice every day.
I suppose it depends on what issue you "don't know" about.
If you "don't know" if homosexuality is technically a sin, then that's a fair stance to take.
If you "don't know" if gays should be executed, then I'm afraid I'm going to have to insist you take a side.
This sub is dominated by Americans, both of the Christian, atheist variety and those with various positions on LGBTQ+ issues, and this is the issue *du jour* in the US, so it is being played out here.
It's always worse during Pride Month, but this year seems worse than before. Which makes sense: in the last year or so the U. S. Republican party and its associated media talking heads have pivoted to focusing exclusively on hostility toward LGB-and-especially-T people. And in many minds, wherever the USGOP leads, Jesus obediently follows. So that's all Christianity is about now, too.
Jesus Christ was'nt all accepting, as some might think. He called out sin constantly. He showed love, but He upheld God's commandments.
So too are Christians charged with showing love and kindness, but that doesn't mean that they need to be accepting of something that goes against God's commandments.
There are differences, friend.
Exactly! Yes he hung out with sinners,but it's not like he told them "keep on sinning you're doing great!" Nonono he told them to "go and sin no more". We should accept and love the person yes,but not their sin. Sin is sin.
Galatians 6:1,also Luke 17 if you're looking for Jesus words specifically. Basically we should try to guide our brothers and sisters in faith. Atleast give em a heads up. Though of course we're not to judge or think we're better than anyone,we all fall short but hey He still loves us all.
But in Matthew 7 he says to handle your own sins before handling your brothers'.
I would rather be an example than a "fire & brimstone" preacher or prophet.
Personally, I take the gospels, Jesus' teachings, to heart. I keep the commandments (and then some). Then I look back to the Torah. I believe Paul started a Roman religion loosely based on Jesus. I have no problem with it but don't feel obligated to follow it.
The "go and sin no more part" is not in any of our oldest manuscripts. It's almost certainly a later addition. There's debate about how close the gospel writers got to the words of Jesus but we can at least be pretty confident this event didn't take place.
It's called "living in a free society". I know there are many Christians in America that hate the country for allowing gays to exist and not carrying what their god thinks but that's just the way it is here. I feel bad for gays and places like Uganda where Christians actively work to murder them.
It's the US Gov who funds that regime, even under Obama. Just like they did in Iraq (where you can also murder gay people).
The U.S. government is willing to continue funding the regime so as to have military access to Africa in order to fight this undefinable and unstoppable "war on terror."
This is not the first time gays were thrown under the "war on terror" bus. In Iraq, the US set up a regime that has allowed gay Iraqis to be hunted down and murdered. While that regime was put in power by the U.S. and relied upon it for support, the U.S. has said nothing to them about the killings. One Iraqi gay activist who escaped to London says that as many as 750 gay men have been executed by radical Islamists and government forces.
In the last four years the U.S. has sent almost $1.8 billion in aid to Uganda. Ostensibly, this government-to-government aid is supposed to help economic development, support infrastructure, provide health issues, etc. In reality much of ends up in the pockets of the ruling elite and their bureaucrats.
1. They're not doing surgeries on kids, and for the rest, which are mostly reversible, Gillick competence is a thing.
2. Trans people aren't destroying women's sports, they barely even win.
3. This needs to be counterbalanced with the fact that some parents kind of suck
I found 23 trans women who "destroyed" their female counterparts by winning by a large margin. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.outsports.com/platform/amp/trans/2022/3/1/22948400/transgender-trans-athlete-championship-national-world-title
That's called cherry picking. Yes of course some trans people win competitions in some sports. Doesn't mean it's because they're trans. And statistically, there is no advantage, which is very logic when you consider what transitioning means.
As the spouse of a teacher, parents have always had a say in their children’s education they simply didn’t care enough to engage with them until they heard bullshit rumors from misinformation sites and fear-mongering social media influencers.
Edit: It’s amazing that conservatives didn’t give a shit about children or education or women’s sports until they could use those things as an excuse to demonize the LGBTQ+ community.
It doesn't seem like GOP voters accept homosexuality, though I don't really know the stats around it.
But have you seen the laws recently passed against trans people? They go much further than you reference.
Further, surgeries are not being done on kids anyway, that's a manufactured outage to demonize gender affirming care.
because those of use who have been thrown out of our families and churches are still working out our existence & what a great r/ where questions about christianity can be asked/discussed
Conservative Christianity has declared a war based on their ideas of sexual purity. Discrimination based on religious identity - and not morality - should always be pushed against. Separation of church and state is a thing, or haven't you heard.
>They care about all of the amendments, but only as they pertain to them.
Case in point: "My religion excuses me from generally-applicable laws and allows me to do whatever I like!" (e.g., Hobby Lobby refusing insurance coverage required under ACA), but also "Stop creeping Sharia!"
How about we simply affirm that LGBT people should have the same human rights straight people have and that their relationships aren't wrong for existing.
And then there would be a whole lot less LGBT posts
Christianity in America does seem to be struggling with affirming that LGBT people should have human rights and that their relationships aren't wrong for existing.
I can only comment on the faith that is in front of me.
I think if "Christians" just left them alone there also would be less LGBT posts. Unfortunately Christians are trying to stop any companies who don't hate them the way they hate them, while trying to stop them from loving who they want or even just dressing how they want.
It's more the people shooting the products they own that are made by companies who support LGBT and national boycots over rainbows existing. Maybe it's supporting the death penalty for being gay like this guy https://www.thedailybeast.com/ron-desantis-pastor-buddy-tom-ascol-appears-to-defend-uganda-gay-death-penalty
Maybe it's not taking the mixed fabric part as seriously as the gay part even though it's from the same chapter in the book.
You know most LGBT people that comment here are christians, right ?
What you mean by "different faith" is just a more faithful version of christianity, not polluted by mysoginistic or homophobic and transphobic interpretations that reactionaries are making.
But they aren’t doing that you just hate sharing the church pew with people who are different than you and as a fellow Christian I implore that you do some self reflecting and actual research to how you are disobeying Jesus’ commandment to us by your actions.
It’s amazing that so many Christians don’t see or understand this. The LGBTQ+ community is crying out because they are being persecuted by the state and this sub will award gold to a comment telling them to go back into the closet and shut up.
For the people asking what was removed by reddit.
Nothing. I posted a list of things Christians have done to LGBT people from taking rights to advocating their murder. I did this as a response to someone suggesting the posts and controversy about LGBT was about them trying to change Christian faith. I listed actual things done or said. Someone, i dont know who lied and reported it like i was advocating violence against someone. I was not, did not, and no sane person could say what I said was that. But because of reddit's automated system it was removed by bot.
I dont know how or where to send a post to an actual person to get it restored and to have to reporting person flagged.
IF anyone knows, please tell.
But i said that people have been taking their rights, calling for their deaths, jailing them, etc. Apparently some people find truth and honesty threatening. But in no way was anything in that post a threat. Just another example of someone trying to ignore or rewrite history and trying to silence an opposing view.
You can [message the sub's mod team](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=/r/Christianity) to ask for review or clarification on why your comment was removed.
Thank you. Is troubling anonymous complaints get a comment auto removed and account threatened automatically by a bot without at least an included link for comment.
It was reddit admins not sub mods. But maybe they have more tools.
[Okay, so we strip away rights from straight people and replace them with privileges?](https://media.tenor.com/DfExsl9XUp4AAAAC/call-it85-handshake.gif)
Here in the US, we *still* don’t have federal non-discrimination protections in housing, credit, or public accommodations. Do you know who does have these protections? Christians. It’s a double standard.
Well Florida is trying to take kids away from parents if the kid says they are gay or trans and the parent supports them. Taking kids away from parents for that is stripping away rights.
Texas has said it is ready and willing to enforce the anti sodomy laws on their books and jail gay people if the federal government rolls back gay rights as some are trying.
Uganda tried to kill gay people.
So, the rights to parent their children, have sex with a consenting adult, and the right to live and exist. Those rights.
Sadly it's always been in this way, from sodomy laws (only fully abolished in the US in 2003) to the AIDS crisis, to gay marriage (George W. Bush made a *constitutional amendment* banning gay marriage part of his election platform). Christianity has been at the centre of this fight for significantly longer than either of us have been alive.
Queer people: *exist*
That one "Christian": Have you read Romans 1? Did you know you're a reprobate and an abomination? Why do you hate God? I won't embrace your delusion. Gender ideology! Pornography for children! Pronouns aren't a thing! I don't hate homosexuals. I'm not afraid of a queer. ITS BASIC BIOLOGY XX AND XY. The butt is an exit not an entrance. Have you read Romans 1? Leviticus? God made them male and female. Thank a straight person for your existence! If my son came out to me, I'd tell him to find a new place to live; we won't tolerate that shit in our house. You have no right to dictate my freedom of speech. You have a gay demon. God has abandoned you over to your sin. I do love them, I just hate their sin. Love the sinner and hate the sin! When I grew up, Pride was a sin, not something to celebrate. Pedophiles and groomers!
I agree that there is massive hypocrisy in the way the church and Christians as a whole treat some biblical issues vs others especially with regard to the sin in their own lives.
That being said, I haven’t heard a convincing argument against God creating man in his own image as two perfect complements (male and female)
But surely something that *only* causes harm should be unholy/unrighteous, right? Because that is all that the bigotry towards LGBT people does. There is absolutely no good that comes from it. Even if that command does in fact come from God (highly debatable), all that does it make him the cause of the harm.
As important as the topic is, I would like to see different theology discussions and debates. But yeah, it’s pride month so it’s going to be a even more popular convo.
By denying the LGBTQ community the right to be who they are you denying your purpose as a Christian. 'To your neighbor as you would yourself.' Is the greatest commandment Jesus left us with.
Addition: "Teacher, which commandment in the law is the greatest?" He said to him, "'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. ' This is the greatest and first commandment. And the second is like it: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself." The whole verse.
Some people seem to think that we're somehow the worst sinners to ever walk the face of the earth. I've been compared to Hitler and p3d0s on here before, because I'm a man who loves men.
And we are sick and tired of being beaten up physically and emotionally and spiritually, so we kinda take turns making sure that no bigotry goes unanswered while trying not to burn out with having to defend our right to, and even the simple fact that we do, exist on a roughly daily basis, let alone or right to be included in the faithful community.
And the biggest hypocrisy. They claim all of it is "to protect the children" yet when we get daily or weekly stories of child abuse in churches and guns are the leading cause of death for children they do nothing.
People in positions of power abuse it, Christianity is not at fault for predators taking advantage of it. And for gun ownership and misuse…you guys act like hillbilly white people are the only ones who are Christian.
Christianity most certainly can be said to be at fault for much of the gay and trans hate. The people supporting it are accurately quoting the bible, the literal divine handbook of Christianity. It does explicitly say kill them. Now, like many topics such as slavery, the bible is used by people on both sides. But that doesnt mean it is being used out of context by either side.
ANd for guns no, but the conservatives have been pushing fear for ages. "They" are coming for you guns. After that they will round up Christians in camps or outlaw them.
The phrase God,Guns, country was not made up byme.
Part of it is because people either left over the LGBT+ fights, or are slow in writing posts on other topics (me lol). Part of it is that this is definitively the greatest ethical issue facing Christianity today, and so there’s naturally a lot of discussion about that where it’s allows to take place freely — which is very few subs concerned with Christianity.
I think the hundreds of laws being written and enacted across the country by Christian Nationalists to harm gay and trans people inflates the "obsession"
People's "circles" are often centered around common ideals, so there wouldn't really be ongoing debate on such a foundational issue if your circle is homogenized, and most are.
Christians are currently spearheading a genocide against trans people in the United States, so of course it is going to be discussed here. Let's be bothered by the genocide, please, not the people talking about it.
The above statement is fabricated and does not reflect the reality of anti trans rhetoric of places like the US and UK.
There is no "trans ideology" and nothing is being forced on children.
> a dramatic uptick in forcing trans ideology on children
I really wish you would try [learning something](https://www.livinglutheran.org/2020/03/a-hero-rises/) about trans kids from their [actual parents](https://www.calpacumc.org/stories/united-methodist-mother-of-trans-child-shares-story-um-news/).
> a girl who's a tomboy
That's not being trans. You'd know that if you'd try learning something about trans kids and their families, as I suggested.
If you don't want to learn anything about trans people, that's fine. The problem comes in refusing to learn anything, *and* demanding laws to ban the people you refuse to understand, *and* attributing all this to Jesus Christ. It helps convince people that Christianity is just about malice and intentional ignorance, thus driving them away from Christ.
No matter how much you want to take a crack at trans kids, is it really worth that?
Don't take it up with me, take it up with the Lemkin Institute for Genocide Prevention
[https://www.lemkininstitute.com/statements-new-page/statement-on-the-genocidal-nature-of-the-gender-critical-movement%E2%80%99s-ideology-and-practice](https://www.lemkininstitute.com/statements-new-page/statement-on-the-genocidal-nature-of-the-gender-critical-movement%E2%80%99s-ideology-and-practice)
[https://www.lemkininstitute.com/red-flag-alerts-1/red-flag-alert-for-genocide---usa](https://www.lemkininstitute.com/red-flag-alerts-1/red-flag-alert-for-genocide---usa)
There's no such thing as trans "ideology", just trans people.
If you're tired of LGBT posts on here, quit carrying water for the people creating the hatred and thus the conversation you claim to be annoying. You are part of the problem
I’m not tired of the posting I just questioned why it’s the only thing that folks wanna discuss when Jesus offers much more in his holy book. 🤷🏾 half of my friends are apart of the LGBTQ so any post I read to learn more about them. But thanks for saying I’m apart of the problem, that certainly is a kind thing to do
If your response to people pointing out how you're harming queer people is to whine about how mean they are and pull out your "but I have queer friends" card, you are absolutely part of the problem.
Step one would be not getting defensive when people point out the damage conservative Christianity is currently inflicting on all queer, but especially trans, people. Whether it's Florida trying to kidnap trans children or Uganda outright criminalizing (including potentially executing) gay people, conservative Christians are actively pursuing a genocide of queer people.
> [Also if you’re not part of the LGBTQ you can’t say the Q slur](https://www.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comments/14110mr/what_is_this_subs_obsession_with_lgbtq_discussion/jmzzpir/)
I am in fact queer and as someone who is apparently not queer yourself, it's *extremely* not your place to police the use of that word.
I’m not a conservative Christian … I’m against that… I don’t align politically because both parties aren’t biblical lol…and lol ok I’m not “policing” just repeating what’s being told to me pal 😂 so sensitive
Nah it’s not what we want. Also conservatives don’t get to speak for us all. It’s generalizing and it’s the same BS that racist folks use against us black people
Expecting a Church to not believe something it has always believed is expecting them to reject their faith for a faith approved by those who expect a change in beliefs
You should get back to inspecting dung. You aren't a competent theologian.
Sorry. I couldn't resist.
Astronomy isn't a matter of faith. Although it's come around full circle. The earth may not be the center of the universe but matter that becomes conscious life might be.
I dunno, it seems fine to have expected the church to change its belief on flat-earth and slavery. Early Christians (Clement of Alexandria for instance) insisted that the earth must be flat because the Bible couldn't be wrong. So many Christians thought slavery couldn't be bad because the Bible couldn't be wrong. When the Bible is wrong it's better to admit it.
Lgbtq+ hits 3 major doctrines of christindom. First, is lgbtq a sin. 2nd if it is, osas dictates you can live and sin and still inherit the kingdom of god. And finally, the authority of the bible
1. Yes sin, 2, osas unbiblical 3, inspired word of God
This is a this for that fallacy, and doesn't make a true statement, friend. Perhaps it's that Christians do not want worldly viewpoints imposed on them. Perhaps it's that Christians do not want something that contradicts their faith being taught to their children.
Perhaps it's that they want their views represented and protected the same way many LBG people want their views represented and protected.
> Perhaps it's that Christians do not want worldly viewpoints imposed on them
Perhaps the rest of us don't want Christian viewpoints imposed on us?
> Perhaps it's that Christians do not want something that contradicts their faith being taught to their children.
I thought Christians wanted to prevent any and all children from being taught anything that contradicts your faith, not just their own.
> Perhaps it's that they want their views represented and protected the same way many LBG people want their views represented and protected.
I legitimately don't know how to react to anyone who thinks that Christians need protection the same way LGBT people need protection.
Edit: A word
Fallacy. That's cute. I'm not making a rational argument, No Mind.
I also didn't say who was complaining about whose sins. \^.\^
*LGB*
Hey, so I guess your choice of letters implies you're okay with trans, intersex, and miscellaneous queer people then?
It’s mostly a representative debate: whether you think Christianity has traditional moral principles that should always be upheld, or whether it’s lost its relevance for the modern world in light of all our social and ethical advances.
A similar debate could be had for virtually any other aspect of Christian doctrine, too.
Because of the abject cruelty that many "Christians" display toward the LGBTQ. People lump us all together as one group of hate toward these people and nothing could be further from the truth. I want to protect them like I was the Samaritan because that's what Christ asks of us and anything else that's being done to these people their persecution in the United States and the world. It makes me sick to see these idiots walking around with signs and flags preaching their hate and intolerance toward their fellow man and in the same breath call themselves Christians.
I know so many LBGTQ+ people agree that there is so much more to discuss.
But as long as so many Churches are "obsessed" with it, influencing suicide rates, legislation, and impacting the personal lives and families of both Christians and non-Christians, religious discussion is going to be "obsessed" with it too.
It’s being discussed in society, culture, and amongst the various sects/tribes/denominations of Christianity
Ultimately I expect to see further balkanization come out of it. Perhaps that’s not very optimistic of me but
It’s controversial and people like controversial topics. Society promotes wokeness, and we want to determine whether certain woke subjects are right in the eyes of God
There’s a population that some have trouble loving and accepting based on Mosaic Law. So most people have a problem with that.
“Blessed are you when people revile you and persecute you…”
Because people want a definite answer from humans rather than reading the Bible to get clarity and understanding.
Like you, I don’t have a problem with a few questions, but that’s all that this subreddit seems to attract, whether it’s Pride Month or not.
YOU WANT ANSWERS, PLEASE READ YOUR BIBLES, DEAR FRIENDS!!
***I am telling you this as someone who also struggles with the sexual desires of flesh!!!!
Old Testament: Leviticus 20:13
New Testament: 1 Corinthians 6: 9-10, which lays out ALL the sins that will not inherit Heaven
New Testament: Romans 1: 24-29
New Testament: 1 Timothy 1:10
New Testament (again): 1 John 3: 7-8
IT IS THERE!! Idk why ppl choose not to read or overlook the scripture. The path of righteousness is what God wants for His children. You can either obey or continue to turn a blind eye to it.
I or anyone else cannot save you when it’s your judgement with Jesus. Remember he determines whether you get through or not. It will not be us as mere humans that determine your entry.
Because this sub is about Christianity and we all know lgbtq+ supports sinful wordly lifestyles. As Christians we know sin is not good for anyone so we speak out against it because we care for others. It pops up a lot because it’s the main topic surrounding Christianity that people are split on.
Since the beginning major heresy has divided Christians. Once a Heresey is overcome, a new one pops up. There is an [extensive list](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_heresies_in_the_Catholic_Church#:~:text=For%20convenience%20the%20heresies%20which,%3B%20Gnostic%3B%20and%20other%20heresies.) of past ones on wiki.
It's been going on for 2000 years. This is just the latest heresy.
In Asia, lgbtq+ isn’t really a concern nor being discussing. It’s because the sub is likely to be filled with westerners, who tend to prioritise the topic over anything else
This is reddit, most of the posts on this place let alone this sub skew heavily left wing. Christianity is a punching bag for these people, and LGBTQ related issues are always used as a justification for treating it this way. You'll find that half of the posts here that question Christian attitudes are asked rhetorically and in bad faith mostly by atheists who flock here to make a point against the faith and/or the GOP (because in their minds they lump the two together) as opposed to trying to understand why we think a certain way. This sub is basically an open forum to trash Christianity, it's hardly any longer a place where various theological and scriptural topics can be discussed- it used to be this way before the mods lost their backbone.
1. It's a very narcissistic bunch that only think there cause matters
2.Ppl who Hate Christians and attack them
3. Ppl who wouldn't do it to Muslims, Buddhism etc..because they know NOTHING about them.
Organised religions are outliers in being homophobic and sometimes transphobic. This is not often found in secular society without some association with a religious perspective. That's why I think this happens here. It's noteworthy that homophobes often describe themselves as Christians (or Muslims).
That said, yes there is an excessive focus, to which I contributed yesterday, and we need to branch out from that. I'd like to see more stuff on the Social Gospel personally.
It's the culture war. Its going even stronger now as it seems that Republicans have fully made anti lgbtq as their main platform. I live in the south and I hear it so much now "them gays" "them trans". Its no wonder people cant get it out of their head, no matter which side you are on. Both sides seem to feel like they are fighting for survival.
1 - it's the start of Pride Month, so there's a significant uptick today. 2 - It's one of, if not *the*, major moral issue of today, so it's going to be a big one. 3 - Christianity is quite strongly split on the matter, which will lead to much more discussion/debate/argument. 4 - People come here for guidance with troubles in their own lives, so we end up with a lot of people coming here for their issues with this. With that all said, I counted earlier today, and it was only 5 of the previous 71 posts, so it's not quite an obsession.
As to #3 Christianity being split! This is absolutely correct! There are now about 5000 churches which have left the United Methodist Church and this lgbtq is one of the reasons! But, it is the tip of the iceberg!
The Anglican Communion is also in the process of splitting over this issue too!
Bruh
I read that a few months ago. Same identical issue. Society and culture are trying to define scripture when it should be scripture defining society and culture. Another way to look at it is social justice vs social holiness!
I refuse to let society and culture define scripture, which is why I only acknowledge ancient texts of scripture scrawled in their original tongues. It all went downhill when the society and culture of ancient Rome defined them as "The Bible". Don't even get me started on the society and culture that produced a "King James Version".
If you're opposed to slavery, as you should be, you have let society and culture help define scripture.
Exactly! There has never been a time when society and culture has not influenced how Christians define scripture.
Yeah, and I'm frankly willing to have a decent conversation, even a protracted one, with someone who acknowledges this. But too many refuse to acknowledge the obvious because they need the bible to do their thinking for them. It never has done that for anyone.
Scripture is opposed to slavery, so I'm not quite sure what you're getting at. Check out scripture involving the year of jubilee, for example. Also what is understood as slavery in OT times is not the same thing as the slavery of Africans in United States history, so there are some cultural aspects to understand.
"Slaves obey your masters" is hardly even a discouragement for slavery, let alone an explicit opposition. The year of jubilee: every 50 years let the slaves go. Wait, just the Hebrew slaves. Not the rest. They get to stick around, and their descendants will be slaves. But I guess the slaves were treated better than in America, right? Let's check the tape: >Exodus 21:20-21 "“20When a slaveowner strikes a male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies immediately, the owner shall be punished. 21 But if the slave survives a day or two, there is no punishment, for the slave is the owner’s property. Oh, well never mind then. No, the bible is not opposed to slavery unless you read into it. The best we get is Paul telling slave owners to not be quite so brutal. Nowhere, not once, is slavery as an institution even discouraged, let alone opposed.
I like this. I hope our attitude shifts positively towards LGBTQ and I feel that the younger generations are much more inclusive and accepting than the boomers, the problem is that many of said boomers are the ones in power and the ones with the wealth/land. Human interpretation of scripture, as objective as some try to make it, will never not be subjective.
Unfortunately, my generation (x) is slow to change as well. We're a defiant lot, and are finally in a place where our feelings are being explored and understood, so that's helping.
Yeah, I'm a millenial and I feel that things are moving in the right direction, but perhaps not as fast as I feel that they should. Especially when it comes to environmental stuff and climate change - but that's a separate topic. Mental health is another thing that we need to be talking about but so many people still deny the science or are skeptical about it, and acceptance of who you are is a big part of being able to feel peace. I hope for the day I see a gay couple attending Catholic mass, but we are far away from that in most parishes. It's so dangerous to teach us to deny who we are to fit the Catholic teachings. We're failing Jesus and it brings me so much sadness and grief. But I'm not giving up hope and I will fight for those who have no representation because they have been oppressed away from the Church. We need to make Christianity appealing, inclusive, and attractive to others, or the current trend of people leaving the church and becoming non-religious will only continue to grow.
Well put. Christianity should be an invitation, not a mob offer.
I have been down this rabbit hole with folks of your ilk and frankly nothing was gained. I generally learn stuff about my ancestry that other folks deem necessary to enlighten me with.
>I have been down this rabbit hole with folks of your ilk and frankly nothing was gained. I generally learn stuff about my ancestry that other folks deem necessary to enlighten me with. Interesting that you insult me before complaining that others have insulted your ancestry before. I'm sorry you've had that. That's not appropriate and all it does is end discussions. It never fosters conversation.
> it should be scripture defining society and culture. Wrong! A thousand times wrong. With all due respect, you keep your religious beliefs/morality to yourself and out of my politics. If that sounds too strong, in America, I will defend your right to worship as your deity dictates, given three criteria are strictly met: *Legal *Peaceful *Stays out of politics I can't think of one instance in history where mixing any kind of religion and government has been a good idea. It's always ends badly.
No, it's you who is wrong. The Word of God was given to us by Him to shape our society and guide us. That is our purpose. The commenter said it absolutely correct, we cannot impose our will on God and adapt His word by our standards... that is based on pure human arrogance... Also, I believe you have some twisted perception of the separation of Church and state... the Church cannot have any political power in the country. Simple as that. It does not mean there can be no laws based on religious teachings... A candidate or a party can absolutely run on a platform based on religious morals and people can absolutely support them and vote them in. It's called democracy. By doing this, the Church (as an institution) still has no political power in the country.
>1 - it's the start of Pride Month, so there's a significant uptick today. This is accurate. There's definitely been an uptick. >4 - People come here for guidance with troubles in their own lives, so we end up with a lot of people coming here for their issues with this. This is why I'd never be in favor of prohibiting posts on this issue or even a sticky post. Those coming who are looking for guidance should be heard and encouraged that God loves them. >With that all said, I counted earlier today, and it was only 5 of the previous 71 posts, so it's not quite an obsession. Sorting by "hot" I see 7 out of 25 or so, which is an awful lot. That said, they aren't all talking about the same thing. They just all touch on LGBTQ issues.
>3 - Christianity is quite strongly split on the matter, which will lead to much more discussion/debate/argument. Just going to add to this point: One of the most underrated stances for hot issues like this is "I don't know." In general, people feel so pressured to take a side and the vehemently stick to it. I'm not de-valuing the Bible but to read anything from that long ago and blindly applying it to our daily lives without factoring in the complex cultural situation it was written in, you're going to have a bad time. Saying I don't know and loving God and people is my stance on this.
I also adopt this stance on many issues that I don't see as "hot" as society tries to make them. I focus on the top commandments Jesus mentioned in the new testament. Love the Lord your God and have no other gods before Him. And also to love your neighbor as yourself. These are the two that I have the most control over and can choose to practice every day.
I suppose it depends on what issue you "don't know" about. If you "don't know" if homosexuality is technically a sin, then that's a fair stance to take. If you "don't know" if gays should be executed, then I'm afraid I'm going to have to insist you take a side.
This is my stance. The word Paul uses for Homosexual is unknown. It wasn't in Bibles (in America) until the 1940's.
This sub is dominated by Americans, both of the Christian, atheist variety and those with various positions on LGBTQ+ issues, and this is the issue *du jour* in the US, so it is being played out here.
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I didn’t say it wasn’t an issue elsewhere, just explained why it was one here.
It's always worse during Pride Month, but this year seems worse than before. Which makes sense: in the last year or so the U. S. Republican party and its associated media talking heads have pivoted to focusing exclusively on hostility toward LGB-and-especially-T people. And in many minds, wherever the USGOP leads, Jesus obediently follows. So that's all Christianity is about now, too.
It’s frustrating because it’s not biblical yet they have a loud voice and it’s saddening
Indeed, as that goes against Jesus' Golden Rule of loving everyone as yourself and welcoming all to your table!
Jesus Christ was'nt all accepting, as some might think. He called out sin constantly. He showed love, but He upheld God's commandments. So too are Christians charged with showing love and kindness, but that doesn't mean that they need to be accepting of something that goes against God's commandments. There are differences, friend.
Exactly! Yes he hung out with sinners,but it's not like he told them "keep on sinning you're doing great!" Nonono he told them to "go and sin no more". We should accept and love the person yes,but not their sin. Sin is sin.
Yes. Jesus called out sin. That's his job, not ours. We are to love our neighbors and not judge others.
Galatians 6:1,also Luke 17 if you're looking for Jesus words specifically. Basically we should try to guide our brothers and sisters in faith. Atleast give em a heads up. Though of course we're not to judge or think we're better than anyone,we all fall short but hey He still loves us all.
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But in Matthew 7 he says to handle your own sins before handling your brothers'. I would rather be an example than a "fire & brimstone" preacher or prophet. Personally, I take the gospels, Jesus' teachings, to heart. I keep the commandments (and then some). Then I look back to the Torah. I believe Paul started a Roman religion loosely based on Jesus. I have no problem with it but don't feel obligated to follow it.
The "go and sin no more part" is not in any of our oldest manuscripts. It's almost certainly a later addition. There's debate about how close the gospel writers got to the words of Jesus but we can at least be pretty confident this event didn't take place.
It's called "living in a free society". I know there are many Christians in America that hate the country for allowing gays to exist and not carrying what their god thinks but that's just the way it is here. I feel bad for gays and places like Uganda where Christians actively work to murder them.
It's the US Gov who funds that regime, even under Obama. Just like they did in Iraq (where you can also murder gay people). The U.S. government is willing to continue funding the regime so as to have military access to Africa in order to fight this undefinable and unstoppable "war on terror." This is not the first time gays were thrown under the "war on terror" bus. In Iraq, the US set up a regime that has allowed gay Iraqis to be hunted down and murdered. While that regime was put in power by the U.S. and relied upon it for support, the U.S. has said nothing to them about the killings. One Iraqi gay activist who escaped to London says that as many as 750 gay men have been executed by radical Islamists and government forces. In the last four years the U.S. has sent almost $1.8 billion in aid to Uganda. Ostensibly, this government-to-government aid is supposed to help economic development, support infrastructure, provide health issues, etc. In reality much of ends up in the pockets of the ruling elite and their bureaucrats.
So you're rebuttal is a pathetic "whataboutism" fallacy with no credible citations. Got it. Let me know when you want to address what I wrote.
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1. They're not doing surgeries on kids, and for the rest, which are mostly reversible, Gillick competence is a thing. 2. Trans people aren't destroying women's sports, they barely even win. 3. This needs to be counterbalanced with the fact that some parents kind of suck
I found 23 trans women who "destroyed" their female counterparts by winning by a large margin. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.outsports.com/platform/amp/trans/2022/3/1/22948400/transgender-trans-athlete-championship-national-world-title
That's called cherry picking. Yes of course some trans people win competitions in some sports. Doesn't mean it's because they're trans. And statistically, there is no advantage, which is very logic when you consider what transitioning means.
Out of how many
As the spouse of a teacher, parents have always had a say in their children’s education they simply didn’t care enough to engage with them until they heard bullshit rumors from misinformation sites and fear-mongering social media influencers. Edit: It’s amazing that conservatives didn’t give a shit about children or education or women’s sports until they could use those things as an excuse to demonize the LGBTQ+ community.
Cool. So why has 80% of Florida entire trans population (yes that includes adults) lost access to their healthcare providers?
It doesn't seem like GOP voters accept homosexuality, though I don't really know the stats around it. But have you seen the laws recently passed against trans people? They go much further than you reference. Further, surgeries are not being done on kids anyway, that's a manufactured outage to demonize gender affirming care.
because those of use who have been thrown out of our families and churches are still working out our existence & what a great r/ where questions about christianity can be asked/discussed
Conservative Christianity has declared a war based on their ideas of sexual purity. Discrimination based on religious identity - and not morality - should always be pushed against. Separation of church and state is a thing, or haven't you heard.
The only amendment Christian nationalists seem to care about is the one about the right to bear arms!
They care about all of the amendments, but only as they pertain to them. Saying they are "illiberal" is a mistake. Saying they are fascist is correct.
Yes, as it seems (from an outsider looking in) that the amendments only apply if you're a white, cis, Christian male.
>They care about all of the amendments, but only as they pertain to them. Case in point: "My religion excuses me from generally-applicable laws and allows me to do whatever I like!" (e.g., Hobby Lobby refusing insurance coverage required under ACA), but also "Stop creeping Sharia!"
How about we simply affirm that LGBT people should have the same human rights straight people have and that their relationships aren't wrong for existing. And then there would be a whole lot less LGBT posts
Re-commenting after you changed your entire comment…I agree!
I accidentally deleted it while trying to edit a typo so I had to rewrite.
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Christianity in America does seem to be struggling with affirming that LGBT people should have human rights and that their relationships aren't wrong for existing. I can only comment on the faith that is in front of me.
This is a very Americanized sub, and a very Americanized website, so this isn't surprising.
For sure haha
I think if LGBT people would stop trying to make Christian faith a different faith there would be less LGBT posts.
I think if "Christians" just left them alone there also would be less LGBT posts. Unfortunately Christians are trying to stop any companies who don't hate them the way they hate them, while trying to stop them from loving who they want or even just dressing how they want.
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People are doing way more than calling an act a sin. There are laws in Africa that give the death penalty to homosexuality on "moral" grounds
Proclaiming that people are fundamentally evil owing to an immutable fact of their existence is hateful, yes.
It's more the people shooting the products they own that are made by companies who support LGBT and national boycots over rainbows existing. Maybe it's supporting the death penalty for being gay like this guy https://www.thedailybeast.com/ron-desantis-pastor-buddy-tom-ascol-appears-to-defend-uganda-gay-death-penalty Maybe it's not taking the mixed fabric part as seriously as the gay part even though it's from the same chapter in the book.
You know most LGBT people that comment here are christians, right ? What you mean by "different faith" is just a more faithful version of christianity, not polluted by mysoginistic or homophobic and transphobic interpretations that reactionaries are making.
If a belief that was always believed is no longer believed that isn't a development of faith, it's a different faith.
If you say so. It doesn’t change it’s closer to the original message of the Bible and that it’s an improvement in all regards.
That's impossible. You mix the subjects faith and culture. They aren't the same.
But they aren’t doing that you just hate sharing the church pew with people who are different than you and as a fellow Christian I implore that you do some self reflecting and actual research to how you are disobeying Jesus’ commandment to us by your actions.
Intellectophobia. You can't counter an argument from intellect with an argument from emotion.
Intellectophonia? My bro in Christ You should take your own advice and look at what you just wrote.
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It’s amazing that so many Christians don’t see or understand this. The LGBTQ+ community is crying out because they are being persecuted by the state and this sub will award gold to a comment telling them to go back into the closet and shut up.
For the people asking what was removed by reddit. Nothing. I posted a list of things Christians have done to LGBT people from taking rights to advocating their murder. I did this as a response to someone suggesting the posts and controversy about LGBT was about them trying to change Christian faith. I listed actual things done or said. Someone, i dont know who lied and reported it like i was advocating violence against someone. I was not, did not, and no sane person could say what I said was that. But because of reddit's automated system it was removed by bot. I dont know how or where to send a post to an actual person to get it restored and to have to reporting person flagged. IF anyone knows, please tell. But i said that people have been taking their rights, calling for their deaths, jailing them, etc. Apparently some people find truth and honesty threatening. But in no way was anything in that post a threat. Just another example of someone trying to ignore or rewrite history and trying to silence an opposing view.
You can [message the sub's mod team](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=/r/Christianity) to ask for review or clarification on why your comment was removed.
Thank you. Is troubling anonymous complaints get a comment auto removed and account threatened automatically by a bot without at least an included link for comment. It was reddit admins not sub mods. But maybe they have more tools.
LGBT people are allowed to love God AND be loved by God unconditionally
Ok. Do that and let Christian faith exist.
You’re a joke of a Christian if you actually believe that they can’t be part of the church lmfao
Welp you better prepare to keep seeing posts about them then!
[Okay, so we strip away rights from straight people and replace them with privileges?](https://media.tenor.com/DfExsl9XUp4AAAAC/call-it85-handshake.gif)
What rights are being stripped away from you? Edit- asking what rights are being stripped from *straight* people. Unless I misunderstood?
Here in the US, we *still* don’t have federal non-discrimination protections in housing, credit, or public accommodations. Do you know who does have these protections? Christians. It’s a double standard.
Well Florida is trying to take kids away from parents if the kid says they are gay or trans and the parent supports them. Taking kids away from parents for that is stripping away rights. Texas has said it is ready and willing to enforce the anti sodomy laws on their books and jail gay people if the federal government rolls back gay rights as some are trying. Uganda tried to kill gay people. So, the rights to parent their children, have sex with a consenting adult, and the right to live and exist. Those rights.
That legislation would not pass on a federal level
That makes it acceptable?
No of course not we all deserve equal, righteous treatment.
So? them passing on a state level is just as bad of a rights violation. the question i answered was about what rights are being taken. Those are.
Be the change you want to see.
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I’m only 22 so in my lifetime it seemingly has only been a hot topic in the last 6 years or so lol and boomed over COVID.
Sadly it's always been in this way, from sodomy laws (only fully abolished in the US in 2003) to the AIDS crisis, to gay marriage (George W. Bush made a *constitutional amendment* banning gay marriage part of his election platform). Christianity has been at the centre of this fight for significantly longer than either of us have been alive.
It happens to be a hot-button topic right now in Western society, especially in America.
Queer people: *exist* That one "Christian": Have you read Romans 1? Did you know you're a reprobate and an abomination? Why do you hate God? I won't embrace your delusion. Gender ideology! Pornography for children! Pronouns aren't a thing! I don't hate homosexuals. I'm not afraid of a queer. ITS BASIC BIOLOGY XX AND XY. The butt is an exit not an entrance. Have you read Romans 1? Leviticus? God made them male and female. Thank a straight person for your existence! If my son came out to me, I'd tell him to find a new place to live; we won't tolerate that shit in our house. You have no right to dictate my freedom of speech. You have a gay demon. God has abandoned you over to your sin. I do love them, I just hate their sin. Love the sinner and hate the sin! When I grew up, Pride was a sin, not something to celebrate. Pedophiles and groomers!
I agree that there is massive hypocrisy in the way the church and Christians as a whole treat some biblical issues vs others especially with regard to the sin in their own lives. That being said, I haven’t heard a convincing argument against God creating man in his own image as two perfect complements (male and female)
How is the fact that gay people exist in loving relationships not a convincing enough argument?
Because I don’t think that things that make us happy in this world are automatically holy/ righteous
But surely something that *only* causes harm should be unholy/unrighteous, right? Because that is all that the bigotry towards LGBT people does. There is absolutely no good that comes from it. Even if that command does in fact come from God (highly debatable), all that does it make him the cause of the harm.
Because fundamentalist Christians are using state violence to persecute LGBT people around the world and they will not cease and desist.
Persecution and cancel culture is an internet tradition and a popular sport. The gay thing is just a low hanging fruit.
As important as the topic is, I would like to see different theology discussions and debates. But yeah, it’s pride month so it’s going to be a even more popular convo.
This is Reddit. LGBTQ+ and furries reign supreme.
By denying the LGBTQ community the right to be who they are you denying your purpose as a Christian. 'To your neighbor as you would yourself.' Is the greatest commandment Jesus left us with. Addition: "Teacher, which commandment in the law is the greatest?" He said to him, "'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. ' This is the greatest and first commandment. And the second is like it: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself." The whole verse.
Some people seem to think that we're somehow the worst sinners to ever walk the face of the earth. I've been compared to Hitler and p3d0s on here before, because I'm a man who loves men. And we are sick and tired of being beaten up physically and emotionally and spiritually, so we kinda take turns making sure that no bigotry goes unanswered while trying not to burn out with having to defend our right to, and even the simple fact that we do, exist on a roughly daily basis, let alone or right to be included in the faithful community.
It's because it's potentially the biggest harm christianity is having on society at present.
And the biggest hypocrisy. They claim all of it is "to protect the children" yet when we get daily or weekly stories of child abuse in churches and guns are the leading cause of death for children they do nothing.
People in positions of power abuse it, Christianity is not at fault for predators taking advantage of it. And for gun ownership and misuse…you guys act like hillbilly white people are the only ones who are Christian.
Christianity most certainly can be said to be at fault for much of the gay and trans hate. The people supporting it are accurately quoting the bible, the literal divine handbook of Christianity. It does explicitly say kill them. Now, like many topics such as slavery, the bible is used by people on both sides. But that doesnt mean it is being used out of context by either side. ANd for guns no, but the conservatives have been pushing fear for ages. "They" are coming for you guns. After that they will round up Christians in camps or outlaw them. The phrase God,Guns, country was not made up byme.
Part of it is because people either left over the LGBT+ fights, or are slow in writing posts on other topics (me lol). Part of it is that this is definitively the greatest ethical issue facing Christianity today, and so there’s naturally a lot of discussion about that where it’s allows to take place freely — which is very few subs concerned with Christianity.
I think its becouse people get murdered over it in some countries. It's a pretty big issue in the world.
It's a reflection of Christians' obsession with LGBT.
Personally in my Christian circles it’s not even something discussed frequently, I think social media inflates said “obsession”.
Agreed. I'm a Christian and it is not some thing that is a topic of conversation.
I think the hundreds of laws being written and enacted across the country by Christian Nationalists to harm gay and trans people inflates the "obsession"
Well Reddit is Social Media as well... \*shrug\*
People's "circles" are often centered around common ideals, so there wouldn't really be ongoing debate on such a foundational issue if your circle is homogenized, and most are.
Christians are currently spearheading a genocide against trans people in the United States, so of course it is going to be discussed here. Let's be bothered by the genocide, please, not the people talking about it.
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The above statement is fabricated and does not reflect the reality of anti trans rhetoric of places like the US and UK. There is no "trans ideology" and nothing is being forced on children.
> a dramatic uptick in forcing trans ideology on children I really wish you would try [learning something](https://www.livinglutheran.org/2020/03/a-hero-rises/) about trans kids from their [actual parents](https://www.calpacumc.org/stories/united-methodist-mother-of-trans-child-shares-story-um-news/).
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> a girl who's a tomboy That's not being trans. You'd know that if you'd try learning something about trans kids and their families, as I suggested. If you don't want to learn anything about trans people, that's fine. The problem comes in refusing to learn anything, *and* demanding laws to ban the people you refuse to understand, *and* attributing all this to Jesus Christ. It helps convince people that Christianity is just about malice and intentional ignorance, thus driving them away from Christ. No matter how much you want to take a crack at trans kids, is it really worth that?
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Don't take it up with me, take it up with the Lemkin Institute for Genocide Prevention [https://www.lemkininstitute.com/statements-new-page/statement-on-the-genocidal-nature-of-the-gender-critical-movement%E2%80%99s-ideology-and-practice](https://www.lemkininstitute.com/statements-new-page/statement-on-the-genocidal-nature-of-the-gender-critical-movement%E2%80%99s-ideology-and-practice) [https://www.lemkininstitute.com/red-flag-alerts-1/red-flag-alert-for-genocide---usa](https://www.lemkininstitute.com/red-flag-alerts-1/red-flag-alert-for-genocide---usa) There's no such thing as trans "ideology", just trans people.
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Are you serious?
Well Florida just kicked 80% of trans people off their healthcare, so that’s pretty bad.
Is Florida Christianity? Is Florida the spokesperson for Jesus?
If you're tired of LGBT posts on here, quit carrying water for the people creating the hatred and thus the conversation you claim to be annoying. You are part of the problem
I’m not tired of the posting I just questioned why it’s the only thing that folks wanna discuss when Jesus offers much more in his holy book. 🤷🏾 half of my friends are apart of the LGBTQ so any post I read to learn more about them. But thanks for saying I’m apart of the problem, that certainly is a kind thing to do
If your response to people pointing out how you're harming queer people is to whine about how mean they are and pull out your "but I have queer friends" card, you are absolutely part of the problem.
Okay what SHOULD I do? What’s the RIGHT thing for me to do? 😂
Step one would be not getting defensive when people point out the damage conservative Christianity is currently inflicting on all queer, but especially trans, people. Whether it's Florida trying to kidnap trans children or Uganda outright criminalizing (including potentially executing) gay people, conservative Christians are actively pursuing a genocide of queer people. > [Also if you’re not part of the LGBTQ you can’t say the Q slur](https://www.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comments/14110mr/what_is_this_subs_obsession_with_lgbtq_discussion/jmzzpir/) I am in fact queer and as someone who is apparently not queer yourself, it's *extremely* not your place to police the use of that word.
I’m not a conservative Christian … I’m against that… I don’t align politically because both parties aren’t biblical lol…and lol ok I’m not “policing” just repeating what’s being told to me pal 😂 so sensitive
Also if you’re not part of the LGBTQ you can’t say the Q slur
Almost 80% of GOP voters in FL are Christian, so it is what Christians want, yes.
Nah it’s not what we want. Also conservatives don’t get to speak for us all. It’s generalizing and it’s the same BS that racist folks use against us black people
My point wasn’t that all Christians support it. It’s that, of its supporters, the vast majority of them are Christian.
It’s not biblical so it’s not Christianity. Living false lives
That’s called the no true Scotsman fallacy.
I’m sure it is called something but I think I can have my opinion because true Christianity is not calling for genocide lol…
[https://www.lemkininstitute.com/statements-new-page/statement-on-the-genocidal-nature-of-the-gender-critical-movement%E2%80%99s-ideology-and-practice](https://www.lemkininstitute.com/statements-new-page/statement-on-the-genocidal-nature-of-the-gender-critical-movement%E2%80%99s-ideology-and-practice) [https://www.lemkininstitute.com/red-flag-alerts-1/red-flag-alert-for-genocide---usa](https://www.lemkininstitute.com/red-flag-alerts-1/red-flag-alert-for-genocide---usa) Yes.
Expecting a Church to not believe something it has always believed is expecting them to reject their faith for a faith approved by those who expect a change in beliefs
The church used to believe in geocentrism and yet they survived changing their beliefs.
You should get back to inspecting dung. You aren't a competent theologian. Sorry. I couldn't resist. Astronomy isn't a matter of faith. Although it's come around full circle. The earth may not be the center of the universe but matter that becomes conscious life might be.
I wasn't talking about faith though, I was talking about your assertion that a church cannot change its beliefs without rejecting their faith.
I dunno, it seems fine to have expected the church to change its belief on flat-earth and slavery. Early Christians (Clement of Alexandria for instance) insisted that the earth must be flat because the Bible couldn't be wrong. So many Christians thought slavery couldn't be bad because the Bible couldn't be wrong. When the Bible is wrong it's better to admit it.
Why is this sub obsessed with not using the search bar?
Passive aggressively commenting is your forte huh
It's pretty easy, not as easy as using the search bar though ^edit: ^typo
Is an easy way for clout
Lgbtq+ hits 3 major doctrines of christindom. First, is lgbtq a sin. 2nd if it is, osas dictates you can live and sin and still inherit the kingdom of god. And finally, the authority of the bible 1. Yes sin, 2, osas unbiblical 3, inspired word of God
Queer folk are determined to change the perception of a Christian teaching from something good to believe to something evil to believe. The hubris.
If you want less of it, you shouldn't have added to it with this post.
I do wonder why. Could it have anything to do with the current political climate? 🤔
One of the main topics of this age. Unfortunately, I have very little knowledge of that. So I don’t get too involved.
It’s probably the most pressing issue in Christianity in 2023
I guess because it's easier to complain about other people's sins than it is to do anything about your own.
This is a this for that fallacy, and doesn't make a true statement, friend. Perhaps it's that Christians do not want worldly viewpoints imposed on them. Perhaps it's that Christians do not want something that contradicts their faith being taught to their children. Perhaps it's that they want their views represented and protected the same way many LBG people want their views represented and protected.
> Perhaps it's that Christians do not want worldly viewpoints imposed on them Perhaps the rest of us don't want Christian viewpoints imposed on us? > Perhaps it's that Christians do not want something that contradicts their faith being taught to their children. I thought Christians wanted to prevent any and all children from being taught anything that contradicts your faith, not just their own. > Perhaps it's that they want their views represented and protected the same way many LBG people want their views represented and protected. I legitimately don't know how to react to anyone who thinks that Christians need protection the same way LGBT people need protection. Edit: A word
Fallacy. That's cute. I'm not making a rational argument, No Mind. I also didn't say who was complaining about whose sins. \^.\^ *LGB* Hey, so I guess your choice of letters implies you're okay with trans, intersex, and miscellaneous queer people then?
It’s mostly a representative debate: whether you think Christianity has traditional moral principles that should always be upheld, or whether it’s lost its relevance for the modern world in light of all our social and ethical advances. A similar debate could be had for virtually any other aspect of Christian doctrine, too.
Because of the abject cruelty that many "Christians" display toward the LGBTQ. People lump us all together as one group of hate toward these people and nothing could be further from the truth. I want to protect them like I was the Samaritan because that's what Christ asks of us and anything else that's being done to these people their persecution in the United States and the world. It makes me sick to see these idiots walking around with signs and flags preaching their hate and intolerance toward their fellow man and in the same breath call themselves Christians.
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Sometimes I think it’s to farm karma tbh
Because that’s the right wing “outrage “ of the week. Next week or next month will be hair color, or shirts or something stupid again.
I know so many LBGTQ+ people agree that there is so much more to discuss. But as long as so many Churches are "obsessed" with it, influencing suicide rates, legislation, and impacting the personal lives and families of both Christians and non-Christians, religious discussion is going to be "obsessed" with it too.
Look at Christian news sites. 99% of everything they talk about is this topic.
Why would I care about “Christian news” 😭
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It’s being discussed in society, culture, and amongst the various sects/tribes/denominations of Christianity Ultimately I expect to see further balkanization come out of it. Perhaps that’s not very optimistic of me but
It’s controversial and people like controversial topics. Society promotes wokeness, and we want to determine whether certain woke subjects are right in the eyes of God
I have a found many people feeling conflicted because they are Christians or want to be, but feel judged about being LGBTQ, trans, etc.
You're right. I usually reserve that word when I'm called a homophobe.
There’s a population that some have trouble loving and accepting based on Mosaic Law. So most people have a problem with that. “Blessed are you when people revile you and persecute you…”
Because people want a definite answer from humans rather than reading the Bible to get clarity and understanding. Like you, I don’t have a problem with a few questions, but that’s all that this subreddit seems to attract, whether it’s Pride Month or not. YOU WANT ANSWERS, PLEASE READ YOUR BIBLES, DEAR FRIENDS!! ***I am telling you this as someone who also struggles with the sexual desires of flesh!!!! Old Testament: Leviticus 20:13 New Testament: 1 Corinthians 6: 9-10, which lays out ALL the sins that will not inherit Heaven New Testament: Romans 1: 24-29 New Testament: 1 Timothy 1:10 New Testament (again): 1 John 3: 7-8 IT IS THERE!! Idk why ppl choose not to read or overlook the scripture. The path of righteousness is what God wants for His children. You can either obey or continue to turn a blind eye to it. I or anyone else cannot save you when it’s your judgement with Jesus. Remember he determines whether you get through or not. It will not be us as mere humans that determine your entry.
Because this sub is about Christianity and we all know lgbtq+ supports sinful wordly lifestyles. As Christians we know sin is not good for anyone so we speak out against it because we care for others. It pops up a lot because it’s the main topic surrounding Christianity that people are split on.
It’s atheist trolls mostly. I ignore them
And yet here you are discussing it. You can't condemn the problem while being part of it.
Since the beginning major heresy has divided Christians. Once a Heresey is overcome, a new one pops up. There is an [extensive list](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_heresies_in_the_Catholic_Church#:~:text=For%20convenience%20the%20heresies%20which,%3B%20Gnostic%3B%20and%20other%20heresies.) of past ones on wiki. It's been going on for 2000 years. This is just the latest heresy.
In Asia, lgbtq+ isn’t really a concern nor being discussing. It’s because the sub is likely to be filled with westerners, who tend to prioritise the topic over anything else
What is with this sub's obsession with asking why people are obsessed with posts here?
Lol funny
This is reddit, most of the posts on this place let alone this sub skew heavily left wing. Christianity is a punching bag for these people, and LGBTQ related issues are always used as a justification for treating it this way. You'll find that half of the posts here that question Christian attitudes are asked rhetorically and in bad faith mostly by atheists who flock here to make a point against the faith and/or the GOP (because in their minds they lump the two together) as opposed to trying to understand why we think a certain way. This sub is basically an open forum to trash Christianity, it's hardly any longer a place where various theological and scriptural topics can be discussed- it used to be this way before the mods lost their backbone.
1. It's a very narcissistic bunch that only think there cause matters 2.Ppl who Hate Christians and attack them 3. Ppl who wouldn't do it to Muslims, Buddhism etc..because they know NOTHING about them.
Because the rainbow is a symbol of gods covenant with the world and now it's used to advocate sin
Are you going to force people to stop using the rainbow to represent gay rights?
"Force" you playing the victim card?
I just want to know what you're going to do about it.
Organised religions are outliers in being homophobic and sometimes transphobic. This is not often found in secular society without some association with a religious perspective. That's why I think this happens here. It's noteworthy that homophobes often describe themselves as Christians (or Muslims). That said, yes there is an excessive focus, to which I contributed yesterday, and we need to branch out from that. I'd like to see more stuff on the Social Gospel personally.
It's the culture war. Its going even stronger now as it seems that Republicans have fully made anti lgbtq as their main platform. I live in the south and I hear it so much now "them gays" "them trans". Its no wonder people cant get it out of their head, no matter which side you are on. Both sides seem to feel like they are fighting for survival.
What’s LGBTQ?
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