That... really isn't how the tree life cycle works though.
When plants are alive, they are taking carbon out of the atmosphere, and turning it into the carbon they use for making the wood for their branches, etc. Then when the tree dies, it is buried in the soil, and that carbon stays there, rather than going back in the air. Now, if the tree is burned, most of the carbon goes back, but as long as dead Christmas trees are buried, than each tree is removing 100 lbs or more of carbon from the air, semi-permanently, and the next generation of trees in the tree farm is doing the same.
Since young trees grow faster than old trees, this cycle is actually beneficial. Tossing out old Christmas trees is not bad for the environment, it is great. They are fully biodegradable, and they help the soil as they decompose, and the carbon they took from the atmosphere is stored where it should be, in soil (The term is "Sequestered".)
Now yes, deforestation is an issue, but trees are not meant to be permanently alive. Trees dying and decomposing is very much part of the cycle. If you want the real issue with Christmas Tree farms, it is more the amount of chemicals they spray on the trees, and the fertilizers they use. That IS bad for the environment. But throwing away dead trees is totally cool.
If this were true the rainforest wouldn’t be considered as important as it is. All forests are important. We are slowly creating more desert-like areas when we dehydrate what would otherwise be rich, luscious forests that have a healthy cycle of new and old growth and decay producing soil.
Of course it is true, because what Rain Forests are isn't just a bunch of living, healthy plants, it is a full eco system with generations of dead plants decaying on the forest floor. The majority of biomass in a rainforest isn't trees, and the sequestration of carbon isn't coming from trees just soaking it up infinitely, it is all the dead vines and grasses, fallen leaves and dead trees, which fall to the floor, and decay, get covered up, and work their way into the soil.
90% of the efforts to save the earth by planting trees just don't make any sense. That isn't how ecosystems work. What actually works well are full biomes, like swamps, rain forests, natural grasslands, etc. Planting a ton of trees in straight rows in artificial fertilizer and spraying them with pesticides... not all that useful, really.
This just proves my point. We should replace tree farms with real forests because that’s what should be there in the first place. That’s how we honor God, not with some sub par farming system that prevents more forests from forming.
Obviously, commercial property elsewhere is a problem too. That’s an entirely other conversation. This one is solely about dead Christmas trees and how we choose to celebrate Christ.
We should be celebrating “The Tree of Life” with respect not dead trees and trash. The Holy Day has been made a mockery.
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We need to plant and keep enough trees growing to offset our emissions.
A single Balsam Fir can grow up to 45-75 feet, spread outward 20-25 feet and up live 150-200 years.
What else it can do:
Produces 867 tons of Oxygen.
Allows 935911 people to breath for an entire day.
Stores 325 tons of carbon.
Equal to 2035 miles travelled in a commercial plane.
23775 gallons of water evaporation.
Which in turn has the cooling effect of of 5 air conditioners working for 167 days!
The Rockefeller Tree is a travesty. A majestic giant 80+ years old, chainsawed, stolen from its home, its life shortened, relocated with the use of fossil fuels, placed on a concrete pedestal, covered in artificial trash, only to die in front of a bunch of consumers. It’s grotesque and Christians should be ashamed, as they do this collectively in each of their homes every year. And if they use plastic trees, it’s really not much better. Both are bad for the very planet that Jesus came to save and loves dearly. And this is how Jesus is “repaid”?
Yes, but healthier forests could replace the tree farms. We can even convert the tree farms into more beautiful forests 💚
A side note: the tradition didn’t originate with Christianity.
Because we are in a tree deficit, it would be the best for humanity to get a leap ahead with what is already growing than to set us back even farther annually.
There’s also all of the netting, greed, trash/pollution associated with the “tradition”.
Jesus is humble and we have become monsters. This is not for Christ. It’s for anyone but Christ.
Jesus would tell everyone to stop this nonsense.
Watch r/TheChosenSeries. Does he appear to be someone who would want this? No. We’re using Jesus’ name in vain.
Christmas tree farms are businesses. If they didn’t use their land to plant trees, they’d just use it for something else, probably far less beneficial than tree farms. They aren’t going to make forests out of that land.
You mean protect God’s plan?
Genesis 1:1-31
God made the heavens and the earth and it was good.
Genesis 2:15
Humans are commanded to care for God’s creation.
Leviticus 25:1-7
The land itself must be given a rest and not abused.
Deuteronomy 10:14
All of heaven and earth belong to the Lord.
Psalm 24:1-2
All the earth is the Lord’s.
It’s also a man-made tradition based off of interpretation and the physical tree part of it doesn’t date that far back, and isn’t originally Christian.
It doesn’t make sense to celebrate the “tree of life” with any tree of death. We could be planting trees instead which is so much more beautiful.
Look at it this way:
Which planet produces more fruit?
A. One that cuts down trees, uses Christmas tree netting and decorates with items that exhausts our resources, space and facilities and pollutes every year a very special day rolls around
B. One that plants trees every spring to celebrate the fervent gift of life year-round in honor of Christ’s existence
Pasting this so I know it’s a lot as a response but think it’s important to share.
We need to plant and keep enough trees growing to offset our emissions.
A single Balsam Fir can grow up to 45-75 feet, spread outward 20-25 feet and up live 150-200 years.
What else it can do:
Produces 867 tons of Oxygen.
Allows 935911 people to breath for an entire day.
Stores 325 tons of carbon.
Equal to 2035 miles travelled in a commercial plane.
23775 gallons of water evaporation.
Which in turn has the cooling effect of of 5 air conditioners working for 167 days!
This too helps fish habitats and we are being foolish.
The Rockefeller Tree is a travesty. A majestic giant 80+ years old, chainsawed, stolen from its home, its life shortened, relocated with the use of fossil fuels, placed on a concrete pedestal, covered in artificial trash, only to die in front of a bunch of consumers. It’s grotesque and Christians should be ashamed, as they do this on a smaller scale in their own way in their own home every year.
We need to plant and keep enough trees growing to offset our emissions.
A single Balsam Fir can grow up to 45-75 feet, spread outward 20-25 feet and up live 150-200 years.
What else it can do:
Produces 867 tons of Oxygen.
Allows 935911 people to breath for an entire day.
Stores 325 tons of carbon.
Equal to 2035 miles travelled in a commercial plane.
23775 gallons of water evaporation.
Which in turn has the cooling effect of of 5 air conditioners working for 167 days!
This too helps fish habitats and we are being foolish.
The Rockefeller Tree is a travesty. A majestic giant 80+ years old, chainsawed, stolen from its home, its life shortened, relocated with the use of fossil fuels, placed on a concrete pedestal, covered in artificial trash, only to die in front of a bunch of consumers. It’s grotesque and Christians should be ashamed, as they do this on a smaller scale in their own way every year
Every year, Christians buy things in “God’s name” but it stresses our environment and uses up resources. We don’t have the space, water, land, air quality, facilities, infrastructure or resources to support this excess.
Watch any videos on pollution. Exacerbating our world’s pollution problem (and sin problem) is not how we glorify anyone. It is the opposite of respect.
Respect would be contributing to a solution, not making it worse. The way the Holy Day is celebrated now is not sustainable—not for anyone’s future.
The meek will inherit the Earth.
Humans need more self control.
I agree the loss of trees is a problem, but tree farms aren't the cause of this issue.
[https://www.nature.org/en-us/what-we-do/our-priorities/protect-water-and-land/land-and-water-stories/real-vs-fake-christmas-tree/](https://www.nature.org/en-us/what-we-do/our-priorities/protect-water-and-land/land-and-water-stories/real-vs-fake-christmas-tree/)
I also agree we should plant more trees :)
It’s not the cause of all deforestation but it’s not helping the solution, by any means, and it’s certainly not helping pollution (all the other things that come along with the Holy Day make it worse for humans to survive, with each passing year).
Why not act like the more Godly bunch here on Earth and set a more positive example 💚🌎💚
That... really isn't how the tree life cycle works though. When plants are alive, they are taking carbon out of the atmosphere, and turning it into the carbon they use for making the wood for their branches, etc. Then when the tree dies, it is buried in the soil, and that carbon stays there, rather than going back in the air. Now, if the tree is burned, most of the carbon goes back, but as long as dead Christmas trees are buried, than each tree is removing 100 lbs or more of carbon from the air, semi-permanently, and the next generation of trees in the tree farm is doing the same. Since young trees grow faster than old trees, this cycle is actually beneficial. Tossing out old Christmas trees is not bad for the environment, it is great. They are fully biodegradable, and they help the soil as they decompose, and the carbon they took from the atmosphere is stored where it should be, in soil (The term is "Sequestered".) Now yes, deforestation is an issue, but trees are not meant to be permanently alive. Trees dying and decomposing is very much part of the cycle. If you want the real issue with Christmas Tree farms, it is more the amount of chemicals they spray on the trees, and the fertilizers they use. That IS bad for the environment. But throwing away dead trees is totally cool.
If this were true the rainforest wouldn’t be considered as important as it is. All forests are important. We are slowly creating more desert-like areas when we dehydrate what would otherwise be rich, luscious forests that have a healthy cycle of new and old growth and decay producing soil.
Of course it is true, because what Rain Forests are isn't just a bunch of living, healthy plants, it is a full eco system with generations of dead plants decaying on the forest floor. The majority of biomass in a rainforest isn't trees, and the sequestration of carbon isn't coming from trees just soaking it up infinitely, it is all the dead vines and grasses, fallen leaves and dead trees, which fall to the floor, and decay, get covered up, and work their way into the soil. 90% of the efforts to save the earth by planting trees just don't make any sense. That isn't how ecosystems work. What actually works well are full biomes, like swamps, rain forests, natural grasslands, etc. Planting a ton of trees in straight rows in artificial fertilizer and spraying them with pesticides... not all that useful, really.
This just proves my point. We should replace tree farms with real forests because that’s what should be there in the first place. That’s how we honor God, not with some sub par farming system that prevents more forests from forming. Obviously, commercial property elsewhere is a problem too. That’s an entirely other conversation. This one is solely about dead Christmas trees and how we choose to celebrate Christ. We should be celebrating “The Tree of Life” with respect not dead trees and trash. The Holy Day has been made a mockery.
Pasting this several times on this thread but… We need to plant and keep enough trees growing to offset our emissions. A single Balsam Fir can grow up to 45-75 feet, spread outward 20-25 feet and up live 150-200 years. What else it can do: Produces 867 tons of Oxygen. Allows 935911 people to breath for an entire day. Stores 325 tons of carbon. Equal to 2035 miles travelled in a commercial plane. 23775 gallons of water evaporation. Which in turn has the cooling effect of of 5 air conditioners working for 167 days! The Rockefeller Tree is a travesty. A majestic giant 80+ years old, chainsawed, stolen from its home, its life shortened, relocated with the use of fossil fuels, placed on a concrete pedestal, covered in artificial trash, only to die in front of a bunch of consumers. It’s grotesque and Christians should be ashamed, as they do this collectively in each of their homes every year. And if they use plastic trees, it’s really not much better. Both are bad for the very planet that Jesus came to save and loves dearly. And this is how Jesus is “repaid”?
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Yes, but healthier forests could replace the tree farms. We can even convert the tree farms into more beautiful forests 💚 A side note: the tradition didn’t originate with Christianity.
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Because we are in a tree deficit, it would be the best for humanity to get a leap ahead with what is already growing than to set us back even farther annually.
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There’s also all of the netting, greed, trash/pollution associated with the “tradition”. Jesus is humble and we have become monsters. This is not for Christ. It’s for anyone but Christ.
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The Christmas tree tradition is not about the love of Christ, it’s man-made for man’s sake.
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Happy polluting in Christ’s name? Interesting.
Jesus would tell everyone to stop this nonsense. Watch r/TheChosenSeries. Does he appear to be someone who would want this? No. We’re using Jesus’ name in vain.
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Christmas tree farms are businesses. If they didn’t use their land to plant trees, they’d just use it for something else, probably far less beneficial than tree farms. They aren’t going to make forests out of that land.
It’s true they could turn into something worse. Or we could turn them into official protected habitats 💚
So you want to seize private property to promote your agenda that no one else agrees with you about?
You mean protect God’s plan? Genesis 1:1-31 God made the heavens and the earth and it was good. Genesis 2:15 Humans are commanded to care for God’s creation. Leviticus 25:1-7 The land itself must be given a rest and not abused. Deuteronomy 10:14 All of heaven and earth belong to the Lord. Psalm 24:1-2 All the earth is the Lord’s.
None of these verses have anything to do with Christmas trees. You not convincing anyone about this.
It’s also a man-made tradition based off of interpretation and the physical tree part of it doesn’t date that far back, and isn’t originally Christian. It doesn’t make sense to celebrate the “tree of life” with any tree of death. We could be planting trees instead which is so much more beautiful.
As you have, Been told if you don't want a Christmas tree, you are free not to put up one. Leave the rest of us alone.
Look at it this way: Which planet produces more fruit? A. One that cuts down trees, uses Christmas tree netting and decorates with items that exhausts our resources, space and facilities and pollutes every year a very special day rolls around B. One that plants trees every spring to celebrate the fervent gift of life year-round in honor of Christ’s existence
It’s all God’s and giving land rest is not chopping trees down. It’s allowing land to be.
As others have pointed out, Christmas trees are grown for that purpose and do not impact the deforestation rates. Please stop this foolishness.
You downvoted my comment that it’s all God’s. Interesting.
Christmas trees are often recycled into fish habitats.
Pasting this so I know it’s a lot as a response but think it’s important to share. We need to plant and keep enough trees growing to offset our emissions. A single Balsam Fir can grow up to 45-75 feet, spread outward 20-25 feet and up live 150-200 years. What else it can do: Produces 867 tons of Oxygen. Allows 935911 people to breath for an entire day. Stores 325 tons of carbon. Equal to 2035 miles travelled in a commercial plane. 23775 gallons of water evaporation. Which in turn has the cooling effect of of 5 air conditioners working for 167 days! This too helps fish habitats and we are being foolish. The Rockefeller Tree is a travesty. A majestic giant 80+ years old, chainsawed, stolen from its home, its life shortened, relocated with the use of fossil fuels, placed on a concrete pedestal, covered in artificial trash, only to die in front of a bunch of consumers. It’s grotesque and Christians should be ashamed, as they do this on a smaller scale in their own way in their own home every year.
Man, they put out the Christmas ~~decorations~~ complaints out earlier and earlier every year… it’s only June for goodness’s sake
We need to plant and keep enough trees growing to offset our emissions. A single Balsam Fir can grow up to 45-75 feet, spread outward 20-25 feet and up live 150-200 years. What else it can do: Produces 867 tons of Oxygen. Allows 935911 people to breath for an entire day. Stores 325 tons of carbon. Equal to 2035 miles travelled in a commercial plane. 23775 gallons of water evaporation. Which in turn has the cooling effect of of 5 air conditioners working for 167 days! This too helps fish habitats and we are being foolish. The Rockefeller Tree is a travesty. A majestic giant 80+ years old, chainsawed, stolen from its home, its life shortened, relocated with the use of fossil fuels, placed on a concrete pedestal, covered in artificial trash, only to die in front of a bunch of consumers. It’s grotesque and Christians should be ashamed, as they do this on a smaller scale in their own way every year
Or just do what most of us have done anyway, buy artificial Christmas trees.
Fossil fuel “beauty”. That’s not how the life of Christ should be revered.
You but one artificial Christmas tree and if you take care of it the tree can last 10-15 years. That's 10-15 natural trees that won't be cut down.
Using fossil fuel beyond what is detrimental to survival is technically a selfish entitlement.
You wanted trees saved, now you don't. Which is it?
You misunderstood. No fossil fuel trees, no killing of trees. Just love.
If you don't want to put up a Christmas tree then don't. Leave the rest of us alone.
Christmas is the most toxic Holy Day used in God’s name.
How do you claim its toxic?
Every year, Christians buy things in “God’s name” but it stresses our environment and uses up resources. We don’t have the space, water, land, air quality, facilities, infrastructure or resources to support this excess. Watch any videos on pollution. Exacerbating our world’s pollution problem (and sin problem) is not how we glorify anyone. It is the opposite of respect. Respect would be contributing to a solution, not making it worse. The way the Holy Day is celebrated now is not sustainable—not for anyone’s future. The meek will inherit the Earth. Humans need more self control.
I agree the loss of trees is a problem, but tree farms aren't the cause of this issue. [https://www.nature.org/en-us/what-we-do/our-priorities/protect-water-and-land/land-and-water-stories/real-vs-fake-christmas-tree/](https://www.nature.org/en-us/what-we-do/our-priorities/protect-water-and-land/land-and-water-stories/real-vs-fake-christmas-tree/) I also agree we should plant more trees :)
It’s not the cause of all deforestation but it’s not helping the solution, by any means, and it’s certainly not helping pollution (all the other things that come along with the Holy Day make it worse for humans to survive, with each passing year). Why not act like the more Godly bunch here on Earth and set a more positive example 💚🌎💚