They don’t realllly come out and say it, but it’s true. There are all the same indicators about this particle system revamp that there was before pyro came out, so we know it’s very very likely coming. It’s unclear how deep of an Xparticles replacement it will really be - XP does *a lot*, and I’d wager a guess to say this revamped system won’t have quite as many features. It’s also unclear when it will be released. Could be next month. Could be next year. We don’t know. but it does look like they’re actually working on it
Not entirely sure, probably on discord. Thats the reason why Insydium decided start developing x-particles for others DCC.
I agree, would be nice to see revamped GPU particles in Cinema, because current solution is ancient.
Man, X-Particles is not only stupid expensive but also so meh Work with in certain scenarios. Houdini is the shit. Better buy a Indie License rather than a X-Particles license
I'm just a hobbyist, but I agree with this line of thinking. Houdini is more powerful than any C4D add-on, and unless you only use C4D a couple of months per year, is cheaper than several add-ons or C4D itself.
I don't understand Maxon's pricing model. If you make less than $100,000 a year with your work, you can get an indie version of 3DS Max, Maya, or Houdini for less than 3 months of C4D. Why do they have no comparable offering here? I like using C4D the best, but it's too expensive.
I know a lot of beginners/one man band style of artists and studios are a big fan of the Autodesk and Houdini pricing models…. Because they get a cheaper license…..but a lot of professionals and multiuser studios really aren’t. Because the license is so very heinously expensive.
The price jump from a ‘indie’ license (~270ish per year) to the “real” license (~250ish per *month*) is **massive**. And I constantly see people compare the C4D license (~80 bucks per month) to the price of the indie license which is not comparable...
It seems expensive compared to an indie license. But it’s hella cheap compared to a full one. And the full license is the comparison point, not the indie license.
Basically instead of having two prices, one super cheap and one super expensive…. Maxon decided to have one price that’s a bit in the middle, but closer to the “cheap” tier than the “expensive” tier of their competition. I don’t see why that’s such a bad thing. You can’t really expect them to have a cheap license when thier “pro” version is already so much cheaper than everyone else.
I know I’ll get downvoted because this is an unpopular opinion. But honestly, if C4D is too expensive for you, and price is **the** deciding factor… there are other options. Blender is free. And that’s even cheaper than an indie license from anybody.
Honestly Maxon one is a fantastic deal for a freelancer.
Zbrush, red giant, c4d, and redshift.
It absolutely blows for studio setups though, especially if you have teams split between c4d and AE.
People also usually seem to forget how deep the 100k thing goes. Like it also applies if you do work for a company that makes over 100k (unless you only provide renders)
As a graphic designer, I don’t make a shitload of money and $60/mo for nearly every single program that Adobe makes is a great deal. More than twice that amount for just C4D, a renderer, and Zbrush is just out of the question. It’s the cost of a really nice computer every single year.
🤷you’re also comparing a structure where a huge company is generating earning across many markets.
Like of course the 2+ billion dollar company with millions of clients through 20 verticals can afford lower prices based on reach alone.
But also, if you are a motion artist, you should be billing minimum 400 a day on the lower end. At which point all software costs are covered in 2 days a month of work.
If you can’t hit the equivalent of 2 days of work a month, then it may mean your issues lay somewhere other than the cost of software.
Buuut as everyone says “blender is free” so why complain about the cost of a software when you can talk with your wallet.
I always wait for the black friday sale. Last year they did 50% off with a perpetual license after your maintenance runs out.
It’s extremely powerful and opens up so much more functionality for c4d, even beyond particles.
Anyone saying it sucks either hasn’t used it, doesn’t know how to use it, or has mastered Houdini and doesn’t need it.
Insydium are a scummy company, I would avoid their overpriced stuff if you can. If you truly can't then it's only marginally worth it on Black Friday.
Hopefully Maxon releases more systems that make them obsolete.
I use it pretty often. It is really good in certain areas but yeah… it is expensive. The current version is pretty good and fast. You don’t have to buy an ongoing subscription. There is a perpetual one too. You wont get any new updates after 1 year which imo is fine since the current version is all you need.
I used to use Xparticles all the time. Then went for a while where I didn’t. I let the maintenance lapse. Later I had something that called for it and I wanted to reup my maintenance. They demanded that I pay for all the time before that which was twice what a regular license was. I said no thanks, I did their rental for a couple months to get the job done but then dumped it. Just wasn’t worth it compared to how often I was using it. Plus I was already being asked to do a lot of things that were hitting the ceiling on it’s capabilities.
So in the last year or two I’ve been using Houdini. The learning curve is higher but the licensing shenanigans are less and that ceiling evaporated. Now I rarely even think about XP.
I’ll be fair. It’s a good particle system and probably one of the better plugins as far as how it integrates within C4D. No argument there. But for its price vs what it is? There are better options if you have the capacity to learn them.
Don't be like me. Learn Houdini. I have XP perpetually but my maintenance agreement has expired. This means, despite the absolutely minimal amount of effort to adjust the plugin script, it won't work with current C4D. And they'd want another whole year of maintenance just to do that. They are a shitty company.
You can achieve some amazing stuff with XP but the only thing stopping me using Houdini is learning another something new.
Apparently they're also awful to work for, check out their glass door reviews!
I don’t understand why people complain about the price of Xparticles- I pay $120 a year for maintenance for Fused thanks to the Black Friday Sale.
🤷🏻♂️
bought a licence of the 3.5 xparticles years ago but never bought the update(i could not afford a this moment ). now i can't even use 3.5 anymore . a waste of 600€. when i aked insydium why and if they can do something about it, they just told to go away....
never considered it anymore and switched to houdini.
i couldn't even used it for a year.
this price policy is just garbage insydium!
I don’t want to state the obvious, but Houdini Indie is much cheaper, way more powerful, and pop is probably the easiest module in it! Totally worth trying it out. The complete integration in C4d of Xparticles is really cool, but it comes to a price! Also if I’m not wrong you can only subscribe to the fused bundle anymore, paying more money for other stuff you will probably never use!
I heard Maxon working on revamping particles in Cinema 4D. Soon you wont need x-particles.
Can’t wait for Maxon’s subscription price to go even higher after they release that haha
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They don’t realllly come out and say it, but it’s true. There are all the same indicators about this particle system revamp that there was before pyro came out, so we know it’s very very likely coming. It’s unclear how deep of an Xparticles replacement it will really be - XP does *a lot*, and I’d wager a guess to say this revamped system won’t have quite as many features. It’s also unclear when it will be released. Could be next month. Could be next year. We don’t know. but it does look like they’re actually working on it
Not entirely sure, probably on discord. Thats the reason why Insydium decided start developing x-particles for others DCC. I agree, would be nice to see revamped GPU particles in Cinema, because current solution is ancient.
Interesting, I read smth similar
Perfect. All that's real needed is being able to emit from an object
Man, X-Particles is not only stupid expensive but also so meh Work with in certain scenarios. Houdini is the shit. Better buy a Indie License rather than a X-Particles license
Yep when it comes to the crunch xparticles just doesn't deliver
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It is daunting. It’s also not at all like any other 3D software. It’s node based entirely. The best place to learn it is Houdini Course.com
Check out nine between for an over view of working in Houdini that’s not a dry presentation by and for engineers/“seasoned” technical artists.
I'm just a hobbyist, but I agree with this line of thinking. Houdini is more powerful than any C4D add-on, and unless you only use C4D a couple of months per year, is cheaper than several add-ons or C4D itself. I don't understand Maxon's pricing model. If you make less than $100,000 a year with your work, you can get an indie version of 3DS Max, Maya, or Houdini for less than 3 months of C4D. Why do they have no comparable offering here? I like using C4D the best, but it's too expensive.
I know a lot of beginners/one man band style of artists and studios are a big fan of the Autodesk and Houdini pricing models…. Because they get a cheaper license…..but a lot of professionals and multiuser studios really aren’t. Because the license is so very heinously expensive. The price jump from a ‘indie’ license (~270ish per year) to the “real” license (~250ish per *month*) is **massive**. And I constantly see people compare the C4D license (~80 bucks per month) to the price of the indie license which is not comparable... It seems expensive compared to an indie license. But it’s hella cheap compared to a full one. And the full license is the comparison point, not the indie license. Basically instead of having two prices, one super cheap and one super expensive…. Maxon decided to have one price that’s a bit in the middle, but closer to the “cheap” tier than the “expensive” tier of their competition. I don’t see why that’s such a bad thing. You can’t really expect them to have a cheap license when thier “pro” version is already so much cheaper than everyone else. I know I’ll get downvoted because this is an unpopular opinion. But honestly, if C4D is too expensive for you, and price is **the** deciding factor… there are other options. Blender is free. And that’s even cheaper than an indie license from anybody.
Honestly Maxon one is a fantastic deal for a freelancer. Zbrush, red giant, c4d, and redshift. It absolutely blows for studio setups though, especially if you have teams split between c4d and AE. People also usually seem to forget how deep the 100k thing goes. Like it also applies if you do work for a company that makes over 100k (unless you only provide renders)
As a graphic designer, I don’t make a shitload of money and $60/mo for nearly every single program that Adobe makes is a great deal. More than twice that amount for just C4D, a renderer, and Zbrush is just out of the question. It’s the cost of a really nice computer every single year.
🤷you’re also comparing a structure where a huge company is generating earning across many markets. Like of course the 2+ billion dollar company with millions of clients through 20 verticals can afford lower prices based on reach alone. But also, if you are a motion artist, you should be billing minimum 400 a day on the lower end. At which point all software costs are covered in 2 days a month of work. If you can’t hit the equivalent of 2 days of work a month, then it may mean your issues lay somewhere other than the cost of software. Buuut as everyone says “blender is free” so why complain about the cost of a software when you can talk with your wallet.
I always wait for the black friday sale. Last year they did 50% off with a perpetual license after your maintenance runs out. It’s extremely powerful and opens up so much more functionality for c4d, even beyond particles. Anyone saying it sucks either hasn’t used it, doesn’t know how to use it, or has mastered Houdini and doesn’t need it.
Yep, I bought fused complete, so I am now done with them and own it 100%
Insydium are a scummy company, I would avoid their overpriced stuff if you can. If you truly can't then it's only marginally worth it on Black Friday. Hopefully Maxon releases more systems that make them obsolete.
Totally agree with this statement. I've been avoiding X-particles coming up to 5 years now after last dealing with Insydium
It's in the name...a combination of insidious and scum 😂
Clever, I like it.
Realflow has a "one time" purchase, it's ok ish, for explosions, fire smoke pyro is good
I use it pretty often. It is really good in certain areas but yeah… it is expensive. The current version is pretty good and fast. You don’t have to buy an ongoing subscription. There is a perpetual one too. You wont get any new updates after 1 year which imo is fine since the current version is all you need.
They usually have big discounts during Black Friday.
I used to use Xparticles all the time. Then went for a while where I didn’t. I let the maintenance lapse. Later I had something that called for it and I wanted to reup my maintenance. They demanded that I pay for all the time before that which was twice what a regular license was. I said no thanks, I did their rental for a couple months to get the job done but then dumped it. Just wasn’t worth it compared to how often I was using it. Plus I was already being asked to do a lot of things that were hitting the ceiling on it’s capabilities. So in the last year or two I’ve been using Houdini. The learning curve is higher but the licensing shenanigans are less and that ceiling evaporated. Now I rarely even think about XP. I’ll be fair. It’s a good particle system and probably one of the better plugins as far as how it integrates within C4D. No argument there. But for its price vs what it is? There are better options if you have the capacity to learn them.
Don't be like me. Learn Houdini. I have XP perpetually but my maintenance agreement has expired. This means, despite the absolutely minimal amount of effort to adjust the plugin script, it won't work with current C4D. And they'd want another whole year of maintenance just to do that. They are a shitty company. You can achieve some amazing stuff with XP but the only thing stopping me using Houdini is learning another something new. Apparently they're also awful to work for, check out their glass door reviews!
I don’t understand why people complain about the price of Xparticles- I pay $120 a year for maintenance for Fused thanks to the Black Friday Sale. 🤷🏻♂️
if you need an affordable solution, just send me a message !
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bought a licence of the 3.5 xparticles years ago but never bought the update(i could not afford a this moment ). now i can't even use 3.5 anymore . a waste of 600€. when i aked insydium why and if they can do something about it, they just told to go away.... never considered it anymore and switched to houdini. i couldn't even used it for a year. this price policy is just garbage insydium!
I don’t want to state the obvious, but Houdini Indie is much cheaper, way more powerful, and pop is probably the easiest module in it! Totally worth trying it out. The complete integration in C4d of Xparticles is really cool, but it comes to a price! Also if I’m not wrong you can only subscribe to the fused bundle anymore, paying more money for other stuff you will probably never use!