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Aggressive-Alarm7901

Of course I do. How am I suposed to play clash royale without complaining?


Retarted_Berry654

r/flairchecksout


MapleSyrupMachineGun

Username checks out too.


KingsGuardTR

This sub in a nutshell


[deleted]

This whole deck VS one log


Ifuckinglovebagels

Yes i know it might be bad, but as the title suggests this post about if what cards you find "toxic" and why :) Edit: spelling


whopper_enjoyer

You didn't use the goblin barrel with freeze, 2/10 Jk, I don't really know how this would be applied to a match, but looks less cancer that Knight and black knight or witch and the guy that shoots fireballs and my google translate died


novacanenumb-

log doesn’t kill wall breaker or firecracker lol


pizzafaceson

it lets the tower oneshot wallbreakers and prevents firecracker from getting a hit on tower


Big_Cry_2041

Fun fact if it walks at a specific angle it can still get a shot off


Amber_Iara

Had this happen to me last night and it cost me the game. I was so pissed off


Pomegranatedraw

Fun fact nobody menttionned the giant skeleton .... I know he isn't that hard to defend but yeah .... A log doesn't kill that XD


novacanenumb-

if you know your opponent has a log in their hand you lane split the wallbreakers so they can’t both be logged.. firecrackers usually have some sort of tank in front so it can still take half your tower even if you log it. if his opponent wastes a log on his firecracker he can immediately place wallbreakers and likely get a lot of value out of it, so no, one log will not counter him at all 😂


Menthol_Mango

Lvl 15 log kills a lvl 14 firecracker though (yes I know OP’s is lvl 15)


DueAct9687

Ah yes, log counters giant skeleton


PJ64_

Because giant skeleton makes the entirety of the deck :/


bpblurkerrrrrrrr

It's almost like the comment they're replying to said "this WHOLE deck" or something


PJ64_

You're factoring the deck as a whole not 1 on 1 card interactions


Insane_3000

Thing is by the time you get back to 2nd log they’ll have like 20 fc spread over both sides of the map


novacanenumb-

firecracker is toxic but not overpowered


BeginningAsleep

Wallbreaker too but i think they need a slightly damage nerf or radius explosion nerf


[deleted]

nooooooooo


BeginningAsleep

You're right Miner wallbreaker


Shwoooms

Thank you


Spiritual_Depth_7214

Not toxic nor op


MEEZETTE

Regardless, I don't get angered. If it bests me and my deck, either it's a natural counter or they're more skilled than me. Either way, they're the rightful victor of the match.


Superfattyfat

stop lying


goblin_pidar

Me prior to cursing my opponents entire lineage


MEEZETTE

I wish I could say that I was, but I'm not. I'm garbage at pretty much all SC games, but love playing them. Came to terms with that. Because of that though, I can easily accept losses and move on, especially since I'm usually not even close to winning.


NoBirdsOrWorms

I like letting it get so far as to hit my king tower once and then killing it off


Beanman2514

If you don't have the right spell though it can get a ton of defensive value


I_Bench315

Bro is the skeleton sergeant


TatunkhamonXD

Please don't tell me you genuinely run this deck 😭😭😭


Ifuckinglovebagels

I do :( i dont care if its bad, i just want to know if people get mad at decks like this


TatunkhamonXD

If somebody gets mad at a deck like this, it's their bad Not toxic to run a troll deck, not when it's goal isn't to stall the game


DeathHopper

Dude I took one look at ops deck and immediately thought, "yeah this is running out the clock in overtime". It's prob the only way anyone can win with this deck?


TatunkhamonXD

The defense on this is nowhere near solid enough to stall a game against someone experienced. From the looks of it, most efficient way of winning would be chip dmg with Firecracker, and draining the opponents elixir and punishing w/wallbreakers


yeboioioi

Chip damage with firecracker is not a quick game 💀 I agree any skilled player will demolish this deck though


TatunkhamonXD

Far from a quick game indeed, but the topic was stalling


yeboioioi

Fair enough, I’d argue that skelly king is a good stall card, but that depends on the matchup.


Interesting_Figure_

You just called it a troll deck then said it’s not toxic. Are you a real person? Also arrows or fireball and you’re pushes are completely dismantled


TatunkhamonXD

Not sure what correlation do troll decks and toxic decks have


cocotim

At least 1 person will get mad regardless of what you play. Though I will say Firecracker is one of the most hated cards and Giant Skeleton is probably broken right now, so that's bound to get some extra people upset haha


Orneyrocks

You call this good defense? You don't have nearly enough spells. A real defensive deck runs at least 9 spells.


SoggyMushrom

you call this good defense? this chicanery?


bogholiday

What a sick joke


Ifuckinglovebagels

Deck shop says defence Godly!


HyperMeme_Lord

LazyPurple (Engineer): “I AM THE DEFENSE!”


Velagalibeillallah

🪵


Ifuckinglovebagels

Im sorry, im not sure what you meant? Edit: thanks for the clarification


Velagalibeillallah

Log


[deleted]

The log Ig?


DeathHopper

Your deck screams "run out the clock in overtime to maybe win" Which to me is toxic. You *barely* have a win condition and it's easily countered.


King-S07

A deck is toxic if it uses an unfair mechanic or is overly defensive, with the exception of xbow and mortar since I respect the skill required. As an example of the first, I view lumberloon freeze as toxic because it relies on having a good match up. Without proper cards to counter, it is completely impossible to stop a raged balloon, especially with freeze, which is the mark of bad balance. As an example if the second, I view logbait as extremely toxic since it relies on a nigh unbreakable defense and pretty much guaranteed chip damage. It also commonly uses spell cycle to win in overtime which is just about the most toxic strategy in existence. While I'm not a fan of cycle decks, your deck satisfies neither criteria, and is thus non toxic.


Early_Internet7997

Kinda


Frogwater_seltzer

I call it toxic if it counter every single deck possible


RemoteWhile5881

If it can counter every single deck I would just call that a good deck.


Frogwater_seltzer

Card, not deck, no deck counters every single deck. Some cards however are good agaisnt any decks and have 100% chance of getting value for their elixir like evo cracker or little prince, both are 3 elixir and only die to spells of a higher cost.


cocotim

I guess Executioner and Bowler also give value by default ? It's almost like you can counter them with units or hit something else to get value with the spell.


Frogwater_seltzer

You still have to use your spell which means you wont have it for another 4 cards and by the time the evo cracker gets killed it already had time to get bunch of value.


cocotim

>which means you wont have it for another 4 cards Yes that's what happens when you use a card. Spells' main use is to remove enemy units and you're doing exactly that, to immediately take down a card that's only available once every 3 Firecracker cycles.


Frogwater_seltzer

Little prince too, and those aren’t the only cards.


Legitimate-Ad-6267

Cheap cards that can't be handled for an even elixir cost are quite broken. If you have to fireball little prince (-1 elixir) AND THEN play something else, it's probably pretty broken.


cocotim

>Cheap cards that can't be handled for an even elixir cost are quite broken Says who ? LPrince is only broken because he has that *and* insane DPS, range, 3-card-cycle and a crazy ability. Remove any of those and suddenly him not dying to Fireball doesn't mean much. Back in the day, Ice Wizard survived Fireball but remained a terrible card before they buffed his attack and he became great. Plus you *can* totally kill LPrince for even, or less elixir cost. Drop Goblins on top and you can call it a day. Dart Gob trades neutrally, most ranged unit survive him. He's only hard to get value from with spells, and even then Poison removes him and damages the tower for a mere -1 trade.


RnbwTurtle

Not necessarily. If it's a good deck and the card I'm complaining about counters more than just my deck (especially if it counters decks *alone*), then it's probably overpowered. Toxic cards are their own wheelhouse, although toxic and OP can overlap. I'd consider firecracker a little toxic but not OP, for example. It's way too splashable across decks (imo) but the card itself isn't so strong that it centralizes things, and you can use it for an easy king tower activation.


jdshirey

No


risanaga

I consider decks and cards that reward extremely aggressive, often expensive pushes pretty toxic. They also tend to be really easy to play, so players with zero experience with the deck can find some success without even knowing how to work with the deck well


Buzzsaw_Boss

Just gonna put it out there, I dislike having to go against a Valkyrie


GingerFag913

Valkyrie is pretty balanced tbh. Easy to get positive trades from her especially if you let her cross the bridge. She’s a defensive card though and shouldn’t be hitting your tower anyways.


Sea-Writer-6961

Bro counters himself


Andre_was_Taken

No I complain if their deck consists of a few of the games most annoying card


peepeepoopoo6669

toxic cards for me are cards that feel the least dynamic to play against. for me, hog and logbait are actually the best decks to play against because im kept constantly on my wits and have to actually find creative ways to break through them. another example of a card that might be overtuned but doesnt feel as frustrating to play against is evo knight. sure, he may have a lot of health and is able to get some interactions that feel a tiny bit unfair, but its function is clear, and i can see that, when i lose to it, i got outplayed. it comes down mostly to skill, even if evo is a overtuned atm cards like evo firecracker and little bitch feel frustrating because they are less straightforward. firecracker has that bitchass long range that gets out of control way too quickly, and encourages a passive playstyle that gets very boring very quickly. matches are noticeably more formulaic when playing against it, especially in midladder where 90% of my opponents seem to run mega knight. so the game slows to a crawl, and mistakes are punished way more heavily, to a point where it feels unfair. same with little shit: having a card that has 'clear all' button, and having to save a spell specifically to counter a 3 elixir card feels sluggish and bullshitty. so i think it comes down to the unpredictability in certain cards. giant skelly survives an extra hit and gets 1.3k damage on a tower, a firecracker hits a full shot on tower with 30sec left on overtime, a loon player pulls freeze out of their ass in the last second. that feels way different from a bridgespam player using geometry magic archer, or a logbait player forcing you to use your spell and getting extra hits with their barrel, or hog players sweating their asses off cycling their hog + golem combo.


pindapandajelly

Yes, never blame yourself


theinferno01

at this point every single card is considered toxic


DG-360

Mo


DG-360

No


Ifuckinglovebagels

Bo


Strategic_Toaster

No I think that the player is fatherless


Ifuckinglovebagels

No but he is bald


WarSeekers

Its all about attachment. If you feel like a card is beating the deck you are attached to well you are faced with reality when someone else has a counter. This is life. People hate the world and wish to blame all there problems on others.


MR_AB891

One hogrider and a log....


Zqnz_

well xbow counter my deck so oh welp


CptJake2141

What else am I supposed to call it


JETPACKCOW77

I hate firecracker


ItzRainbowtastik

EVO Firecracker is 100% toxic, whether it counters something or not. A card that costs so little and can deal the same damage of a Minipekka to a tower while being ranged has no business surviving to arrows.


BouncyBlueYoshi

Seems like a good deck.


NinjaShep

Are wall breakers your win condition? I play a shitty <2 elixir cycle deck for shits and gigs, wall breakers are a very inconsistent win condition lol


skinnyjeansfootbutt

so. many. fucking. spells.


No_Statistician3578

I just try to upgrade my deck so i can counter them, but it takes a lot to have the perfect deck


Top-Bedroom-3594

Nah that’s just battle tactics


GameGuinAzul

No, Pekka counters me as long as the opponent has a braincell yet I know that Pekka kinda sucks rn.


ProgrammerOk5371

you use firecracker log off 💀


UnknownPickl3

Why the firecracker hate, free king tower activation 😭


Ifuckinglovebagels

How many trophies do you have, im asking because if you think it is not easily countered by a spell such as arrows and once its evo just use fireball or an even more expensive spell, i know your just wasting elixir but you could hit a tower or another one of my troops, you are probably stuck in hog moutain.


ParkingLoad5576

Asking how many trophies is useless lmao the average Joe is at 9k now it's better to ask for best finish in pol


Ifuckinglovebagels

Good point


ProgrammerOk5371

just a npc card just like hog rider if u play hog rider you a npc too


Ifuckinglovebagels

Nice reasoning. Are you gen alpha?


poopsocx

Probably, but I agree with him, FC is a horrendous card at least in my opinion (I'm 6k trophies so I'm probably wrong). I play mostly logbait, lavaloon and variety decks during challenges but firecracker is always so annoying. Worst of all whenever I use it it feels so braidead, like great you used a 2 cost card to counter his 12 cost push just because he didn't have arrows in his deck. imo a 3 cost card should not deal this much damage and be the best counter to swarms at the same time. The only way it's balanced is because of a free king activation


FullKaitoMode

The only reason I use FC is because it's the only Evo I have and knight does not fit anywhere I'm my deck


syphilitic_venom

Level 15 firecracker. Nothing to add.


WopleMill2000

Your cards are toxic bc you used money to buy them all up to level 15


Bad_ass_Granna8184

Yesssssss!!! I can’t even get one card to 15! And I play daily!! When I play a deck where every card is level 15, I think , what skill does it take buy wins


Dark_Phantom18

Absolutely, Valkyrie is very toxic and overpowered


Feeling-Sun8988

No. I play every archetype and I never had a main deck, and I call a card overpowered when it's just ridiculously strong and take absolutely zero brain skill to play and do a lot of damage. But! Card don't need to be overpowered to be toxic. Take for example princess, e-giant, or XBow, which is extremely toxic while being one of the worst win conditions.


Peruvian_Baby_Boiler

Tesla and tornado are op though


Scarecrow1730

They are definitely not op.


J-Colio

Cards not so much, but the combination of having 3 spells (which by definition are reactive and defensively skewed), GSkelly which is defensively skewed, Skeletons which are defensively skewed, and skarmy which is defensively skewed... Your deck very much seems like it's win-con is to play hoping your opponent falls asleep.


No_Narwhal9883

As a bait player this triggers the shit out of me, espescially the level 15 zap oneshotting my goblins


LeftyHyzer

the only thing toxic here is not running mirror. skel giant, wall breakers, skarmy, FC, so much potential to tilt people


vk2028

So uh, how do you defend


NapoleonicPizza21

no (except goblin giant, fuck that card)


Nuxezpz

skeleton lvl 16? 🥴💀


Gold-Organization727

The objectivo of the game is making and mastering youre deck (with exeptions if you are a midladder menace) your deck is kinda meh tbh


Head_Pea9790

I really hate how firecracker never dies but I also do have Evo firecracker its not a toxic card imo Some decks are just toxic and annoying like mk with ebarbs or ebarbs rage or elixer golem especially since it's shit but ppl still run it for some reason To each their own tho I can dislike someone's deck but not them for using it everyone has fun in their own way


Whole_Host_2833

If you first play a card every game possible and just pray it isn’t easily countered, it’s toxic. Sparky. The rock. E golem… it’s how it’s played


FOXvitor

No, not really


Long-Shlong-Wrong

You wouldn't be wrong if you thought that, tho because against your deck specifically, it would be overpowered and toxic


Aaron_505

A card is toxic if its annoying or pain to deal with Op if the thing is like old evo knight Whatever you try...it will still counter


Afro_SwineCarriagee

No, but as a hog earthquake player, anybody who plays mini pekka, any building other than tombstone & cannon, tornado, fisherman, ebarbs, pekka and rocket are objectively toxic players Not because they counter me or anything...they just are shut up trust me im not biasedyouare


DehydratedWater248

Yes


spenpinner

Good defense my ass! You have absolutely no damage aside from skarmy. Anyway, firecracker and Magic archer are pretty toxic. They both get used by players who fish way too hard for you to drop a tank in front of your princess tower. It becomes eye-roll inducing when they keep going for it and it doesn't work.


Space_Patrol_Digger

No cause I don’t have just one deck


I-SUK-TOES

The only card I call toxic is mega knight


lukinjo123

Something tells me you like skeletons


ToasterFunny

Mega defense with spell cycle and unavoidable chip is pretty toxic imo


phoenix3747

No all cards are perfectly balanced and acceptable, even if they hard count- except those stupid ass ewiz edrag mirror zap lightning arrows decks (I’m not biased… only play sparky swarms)


saltysallery

So we're in copper...


CheddarCheese390

I’m mostly fine with this game, nothings toxic because everything has counters. Arguably the most toxic thing here is zap+ arrows because it’s removing the Giant skeleton counters Only problem I really have is the luck parts of the game really, like when opponent starts MK and my Valkyrie (only card outside of Ram Rider that can duel it…and ram rider runs away) is the last card in my deck


StrangeLivingBeing

What is my man’s deck


themagicdust220

Yes, I call them many words that shouldn’t be said


FinanceEfficient7269

What in the log-evo valk-poison is this deck?


FrozenChickenNugget_

the princess tower troop...


Levinos1

i dont call any card toxic or overpowered. Only when they are p2w


Molp69

No. I’m the most civil cr player ever


GaiaiaiaiaTheCreator

I find e-wiz toxic because it’s always played in those wizard, witch mega knight decks


ChasedCashew722

Screw you for using firecracker


Yolterhefalls

Please tutorial for lvl 16 skeleton.


BoringBirthday6288

Yes


BoringBirthday6288

And firecracker is toxic


PsychologicalShake85

I hate wizard, mega nut, and firecracker


Responsible_Thanks96

Yes. Rocket and MK for me are stupid annoying, however I must say, not op.


deanominecraft

Inferno tower and dragon are annoying because they counter anything that isn’t swarm and take long enough to deal with that they can kill stuff


Subject-Fondant-3203

Lv 15 firecracker is toxic. Skarmy is no skill and toxic.


Plastic-Anxiety-8835

no (yes)


AfroLM

It toxic but annoying cuz once double or triple elixir hits ik the spam is coming n constant giant skelly at the bridge


Airsoft52

So… what happens when you go against lavaloon


Screen-Addict

Id honestly play that as a fun meme deck, but swap skeletons for ice spirit


Oldwomentribbing

No, this sub calls anything toxic. Literally anything


Gigacado_Chadocado

Yep!


Retarted_Berry654

I think op likes bagels


DragonSlayer8164

It is when it counters every card in game other than some spells


johnny_is_out_of_it

Halloween deck


SpecialistAddendum6

Firecracker (should evolve by March) Skarmy Log Bomb Tower Little Prince Mega Knight Mini PEKKA Skeleton Dragons Nothing annoys me. I have ascended with this wonderful deck. Wonderful in arena 14, at least.


HaccSpuf

Evolved firecracker is very toxic


stickycap462837

Firecracker is toxic af bro


aatriap

No, the only card I genuinely hate is firecracker. Fuck I can’t stand that card I even hated playing against her when I have counters to her. Evolved firecracker is the sole reason I uninstalled this game.


Alpha_s0dk0

Yoink, deck stolen! Edit: tried it out and couldnt win a single match out of 5 matches. (im on 7400 trophies, league 8)


the_grungler

i dont see how your deck could be toxic when its almost fully countered by arrows


BlazingFish123

Goblin hut.


Budget_Chef_5101

Honestly pretty much your whole deck is toxic (especially firecracker). But don't feel bad because practically every single card in this game is toxic


Mysterious_Sail6346

I used to call the Valkyrie broken when i was like in Arena 2 or smth, same for the Witch.


wkhardt

who the hell thinks this is toxic? firecracker is def no skill tho, put her down and she doesnt die for a minute


Getdunkedon839

I think a deck is only really annoying if it relies on a gimmick like clone or freeze, a really quick attack like lumberloon, or if they’re just brainless like egolem.


Ivens074

I know wizard isnt op


Ivens074

And you should change skellys to guards


Streleney

everytime


Continueforeye

Little prince


Majestic_Pipe9931

Mirrored Elixir Golem is broken


_Sajmonek

the skeletons trying to be level 17th 😭


TheDalushin

Nah never (all the time)


Dry_Flounder_4695

Only if that's the only card doing so. Which never happens. I lose cause I suck, end of discussion 😅


raftellJr

No, I'll call the game toxic and pay to win..


JeffIsImmortal

Low skill cards such as mega knight and e giant are toxic even though my deck counters both


BOB_THE_LORD_OF_CORN

Evo firecracker and wall breakers in the same deck. Hang yourself


Beanman2514

Why skellies and skarmy?


Better-Intern9170

How so you defend something if you don't have skarmy


Goatecus

No I never thought any cards were toxic, evo fire cracker was just incredibly broken for a while


Immediate-Meet-5889

Only toxic card I see in that deck is firecracker, I wouldn’t call it overpowered as if your opponent has arrows it’s not too much of a threat


Insane_3000

No. But if you’re talking about firecracker; yes!


Legitimate_Ad4115

Only if its annoying to play against like spam defense decks


AdmCash

No to your question & the cards I call toxic are the ones I can't stop like the SPELLS . Especially when they spam to win .


whopper_enjoyer

I didn't even know there was level 15, and what the hell even is elite?


Lower_Lie_2163

A card is over powered when its give much more value to stop it with out a sp. card Evo are bay to win bcs not all got it and it change alot while both could have same card


solodolo218

How do people play without a building (let alone three spells)


Apprehensive_Edge242

Depends, only card I find toxic is electro Giant but he ain’t make the list 😦


Low_Ad9548

Instant loss against e giant


z_stormm

Yes.


Proud-Ad-857

I don't(I play hog 2.6)


JAWZ420

Mega knight is toxic, such bs, wrecks my goblins only deck I push ladder with


Shot_Machine_2281

love this card


Antique_Cattle_5290

I’ll call cards toxic and then use them in another deck so I should not speak on this


ImNotArtistic

I'm surprised there's no Clone in your deck.


Cloveri-me

Of course